Re: [Chrysler300] '62 Chrysler 300 4-door

[Lindsey Fuller <yesdnil@xxxxxxx>]

Few other comments to add to Mark's. There were no Dodge 880's sold up here, and no Belvedere's, Coronet's until '66 or '67, whichever year the flatish V pointed Belvedere's came out. Also, second generation Valiant's '63 + had Valiant front's & Dart rears, until the next change up in '66 or "67. Finally there was a '61 Dodge Dart that was a Plymouth chassis, with some Dodgeish sheet metal unique to that car. Early sixties were a strange time for Chrysler, but I saw my first RED 300G at the Winnipeg auto show that year. Still have the brownie picture around. A few years later a beautiful white F ragtop went up in flames in a service station across the street from the bank I worked in. Almost cried, as I would see it there often for service.

Lindsey in Sunny (finally after 3 wks rain ) in Winnipeg. Mark, I would ask you to keep your rain in Calgary, but after being there the past few days, you guys could use a break!

----- Original Message -----
From: MARK HOPKINS <m.hopkins@xxxxxxx>
Date: Wednesday, June 27, 2012 12:47 pm
Subject: Re: [Chrysler300] '62 Chrysler 300 4-door
To: lettercars@xxxxxxx
Cc: MRS954@xxxxxxx, Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

> Good morning from the flooded north - Huge amounts of rain the 
> last few days and a lot of flooding in BC. So far we're not 
> flooded in Calgary and the rain has moved east. The rain 
> accelerated the mountain snow melt, so the next few days will 
> tell. 
> 
> I recall the 300 replacing the Saratoga model around 1962, but 
> can't recall the specifics of sedan vs. hardtops. However, in 
> those days, Canada tended to be a more conservative market, 
> often opting for lower line less expensive models, so a 4 door 
> sedan would fit that context. I remember some of my dad's 
> friends saying they didn't like hardtops because they were more 
> prone to developing rattles than sedans. (Regrettably) big block 
> engines weren't as popular here either, possibly because 
> gasoline prices have always been higher than in the US.  I 
> was 10 in 1962, so I'll have to dig back into my archives to see 
> what I can find on Canadian Chryslers. We called them Windsors 
> rather than Newports up until 1967 as well. I'll ask some of the 
> older Mopar Club guys what they recall. 
>  
> Prior to the US Canada Auto Pact which came in around 1969, some 
> interesting "hybrid" and rebadged models were built in Canada, 
> mostly in Oshawa and Windsor, Ontario. Ford built Meteors in the 
> 50's which were rebadged Fords sold out of Lincoln Mercury 
> dealers. Later in1962, Meteors were intermediates between the 
> Comet and the full size Mercs, and I think these were sold in 
> the US as well. After '63, Meteors were low end rebadged 
> Mercurys that replaced the Monarch brand until about 1970. Ford 
> produced the Monarch in Canada, a rebadged Mercury up until 
> 1961. Monarchs sold alongside Mercurys. (In the 70's the Monarch 
> name showed up on rebadged Granadas in both countries). I have 
> no idea why they would produce these duplicate brand models in a 
> country that had less than 20 million people in those days. 
>  
> The oddest Canadian built cars of that era were Canadian built 
> Ponitacs from the early 50's to 1969 when the Auto Pact allowed 
> cross border movement, and we began to see Grand Villes and 
> Bonnevilles in dealer showrooms. Prior to that, Canadian 
> Pontiacs were a unique "hybrid" combination of Catalina bodies 
> on Chevrolet frames with Chev power trains and steering / 
> suspensions. The top of the line Parisiennes got Bonneville 
> interiors and exterior trim. The lower line Laurentians and 
> Strato Chiefs as they were called often got a blend of Chev seat 
> covers, door panels, and steering wheels and Pontiac dashes. 
> Because they were built on narrower Chev platforms, they weren't 
> wide tracks. If you look at a Canadian Pontiac of the day, the 
> wheels are recessed in the fender wells, and there were no 8 lug 
> wheel options.  Engines and transmissions were Chev 
> sourced, so 60's Pontiacs typically had 283 or 327 / Powerglide 
> combinations (so why did they outsell the much superior 
> Mopars??). 
> 
> We never saw the Pontiac Tempest/LeMans in Canada until 1970, so 
> also no GTO's before that. Pontiac intermediates in the 60's 
> were rebadged Chevelles and Chevy II's, called Beaumonts and 
> Acadians respectively. They were Chevrolets end to end with no 
> US Pontiac content. These cars are now rare and have a narrow 
> following up here, but aren't worth much in the US because no 
> one knows what they are. 
> 
> All that said, Chrysler Canada had relatively few deviations 
> from their US models compared to Ford and GM. The main 
> difference was the absence of certain models here. For example, 
> we had Valiants but no Darts until the late 60's and not all the 
> full size Dodge models were sold up here. 
> 
> I'll let you know if I learn anything more about Canadian 4 door 
> sedan 300's. 
> 
> Best regards, 
> 
> Mark Hopkins in Calgary
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: lettercars@xxxxxxx
> Date: Wednesday, June 27, 2012 6:55 am
> Subject: Re: [Chrysler300] '62 Chrysler 300 4-door
> To: MRS954@xxxxxxx, Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> 
> > Mark and All:
> > That was my first reaction as well, so I consulted my copy of 
> > Dick  
> > Langworth's book, Chrysler and Imperial.  (Published in 
> > 1976)  Sure  enough---and 
> > to my surprise---there was the production information on 
> a  
> > 1962 Chrysler 300 
> > four door SEDAN!  Doing a bit more investigation, I  
> > consulted my copies of 
> > the 1962 "S" Series Model Charts.  They, also,  
> showed 
> > a four door sedan, 
> > BUT built in the Windsor Canada assembly plant,  
> > ONLY.  This brought back dim 
> > memories of a Canadian only 1964 300 4 door  sedan.  
> > Sure enough, my "V" 
> > Series Model Chart showed that one as  well---Canada 
> > only.  Langworth's book 
> > agrees.   So, I think the  answer is the 300 
> > "Sport" 4 door sedan was 
> > manufactured in Canada only for the  Canadian 
> market.  
> > If one consults the parts 
> > book and the service manual,  there is certainly no 
> mention 
> > of it.  Also, the 
> > Sales Folder for the 300H  mentions just the 3 models of 
> > the sport 
> > series----definitely no  sedan.   
> > Any of our Canadian members care to comment?
> > 300ly, Gil Cunningham
> > A beautiful cool morning in Tallahassee, sans TS Debbie!
> >  
> >  
> > In a message dated 6/27/2012 7:02:17 A.M. Eastern Daylight 
> > Time,  
> > MRS954@xxxxxxx writes:
> > 
> > 
> > That  is something new to me. I have never seen a 62 300 
> 4-
> > door sedan. New 
> > Yorker  sedans and Newport sedans, yes, but not a 300 
> > sedan. Interesting!
> > 
> > Mark  Souders
> > 300H
> > Mohrsville, PA
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > -----Original  Message-----
> > From: Rich Barber-Desktop <c300@xxxxxxx>
> > To: 'Mark  Schueller' <f41324@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>; 
> 'Chrysler 
> > 300 Club'  
> > <Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Sent: Tue, Jun 26, 2012 10:52  pm
> > Subject: RE: [Chrysler300] '62 Chrysler 300  4-door
> > 
> > 
> > 
> http://www.chrysler300site.com/cgibin/history.cgi?1962  ; 
> > History Of the Chrysler Three Hundred Series -  1962
> > Nineteen sixty-two saw not only the continued production of 
> > the  "Letter
> > eries" with the 300H, in two door hardtop and convertible 
> > styles,  but also
> > he introduction of an entry level three hundred model produced 
> > in  two door
> > ard top, convertible and, new for '62, both four-door hard top 
> > and  a four
> > oor sedan body styles. 
> > It seems that most manufacturers cannot  resist the 
> > temptation to hang
> > restigious model names on mundane versions  after a few 
> > years.  This is
> > alled marketing and generally produces  short-term 
> results, 
> > depending on the
> > trength of the brand.  Strong  brands/model names 
> tend 
> > to live on as witness
> > 00's, Chargers, Challengers,  Rams, Impalas and 
> > Mustangs.  The concept can
> > e pushed too far, such as  was the case with the latter-
> day GTO.
> > Rich Barber
> > rentwood,  CA
> > 
> > rom: Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx  
> > [mailto:Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
> > ehalf Of Mark Schueller
> > ent:  Tuesday, June 26, 2012 10:58 AM
> > o: Chrysler 300 Club
> > ubject:  [Chrysler300] '62 Chrysler 300 4-door
> > 
> > There is a burgundy '62  Chrysler 300 4-door with black 
> > interior for sale in
> > lymouth, Wisconsin,  $3900 OBO. The body is average, the 
> > dash pad is badly
> > racked and I have no  idea if it runs. I can check the 
> car 
> > out and take
> > ictures if anyone is  interested but please talk to the 
> > owner first. Two
> > hone numbers were  listed: 262-353-2336 and 920-467-1777.
> > ps: I didn't know there was such a  thing as a 300 4-
> door. 
> > The car looks
> > riginal except for the color. 
> > Mark  Schueller 
> > 
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