Re: {Chrysler 300} 64 K Cross Ram
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Re: {Chrysler 300} 64 K Cross Ram



what Noel describes is reasonable too , the impact of temp changes  on the carb is significant , I have done  that also — easier to do on stock car as it sits — tie it open or remove the blocking plate  to keep stock look , if into the exhaust  anyway .

While on that never ever leave  head pioe hanging on manifokd bolts. It will snap off the ear  , you are thoroughly 100% screwed . Cast iron cannot be welded , despite those  who do not understand why ( metallurgy) saying it can be . It can repaired  at a red heat , costs 1000$ . Been there . 
No heat also means  NY er manifolds ok , ram exhaust manifolds  are impossible   to find 

you don't want wild carb temp  excursions  impacting your tune — many of the JK contingent run a 1/4” hoke in a washer too .
I have done that , on F no control valve it helps it warm up a bit faster , cant really overheat .    

Some GM ( Buick for one  maybe on turbo ) use electric heat pad in plenum, shuts off once say 90 or 100 in carb area 

Electric choke  helps us too ,choke action  is independent of any erratic carb temp —-  In case anyone is  thinking about it, I put manual  choke  like J on an F . Bad idea , gets complicated  due to air valve in F G carb  . The stock  choke  can be slow without exhaust heat but that is adjustable somewhat    . Electric solves all that  

Best solution may be a  “ regular AFB “ with idle air controlled  by throttle stop , that  way electric choke can  impact air and fuel .As every other car in the world   works    But with bell crank setup the two carb stops will interact  But could be worked  out with air  syn thing  to balance air  flow at idle
We do that now indirectly by keeping air  screws open the exact same amount  

Maybe why they put them there , but causes other problems  , no ported   advance , air flow during choke is ? seems to me goes way rich on choke 

Should be two  throttle  cables to carbs . Then balance  them  Our ram carbs are weird with that screw air valve , how does  that  work when choked? it “ sort of does”  — sort of . 

Even more on this , do you know that ram vacuum advance is not ported? It is manifold vacuum  !!! huge step backwards, gives  full vacuum advance at idle  ? 
Ever notice in factory “ specs”it days in F addendum “ there is no specification   for advance at idle”  
you set it with vacuum shut off 
So the minute you touch the pedal spark  retards (?) so idle rpm drops at tip in ? can equal stall 
like I said this thing is / was really half baked 
jg 

On Oct 4, 2025, at 9:20 AM, dave mason <forwardlook300@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

So one option, between 35 and 67, is you just let it warm up a little longer, if you have no exhaust flow heat in intakes… ?  Eventually the engine heat will overcome the carb temp drop- is it just that it takes a while?


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On Oct 4, 2025, at 08:13, dave mason <forwardlook300@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

No icing below 32F because the humidity will be too low to cause icing?


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On Oct 4, 2025, at 07:52, Peter Pellicani <pellicaniaerosvc@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

John, 
I disagree with the temperature of 35 degrees.  The temperature is really 67 degrees and below.  Above 67 degrees no issues.  Also, if operating below 32 degrees no issues.  Please refer to the fourth paragraph of my previous email.
Hope this helps,
Peter. 61 Stick 
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From: Peter Pellicani <PELLICANIAEROSVC@xxxxxxxxx>
Date: October 20, 2023 at 10:35:51 AM EDT
To: Rick Dutkiewicz <rdr_inc@xxxxxxxxxx>, dplotkin@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Cc: Rick King <rickking952@xxxxxxxxx>, chrysler-300-club-international@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: {Chrysler 300} 64 K Cross Ram


My 61 Newport has the G induction 413.  I first installed the complete stock exhaust system with no heat (blocked off).  Ran good indoors for DYNO run.  Could not get chokes to completely open.  I don't have manual chokes.  The choke stoves will not get warm enough to open the chokes.  Next run was with full heat. Start up and warm up was good, however, temperature at bottom of carbs were way too hot.  Also, full throttle runs indicated that the restricted stock exhaust was choking the engine.  Two four barrel carbs with 30 inch runners all going through a 2 inch hole.

Next, I installed the J K headers with full heat.  Unbelievable response and runs.  Temperature was way down and the only issue I had was the drivers side choke would not open fully.  Passenger side was 75 degrees warmer than the drivers side.  To correct this issue I made a wire connection to the driver's choke to hold the choke fully opened.  After start up I connect this and all is well.

If the chokes are not fully opened, the secondaries will not open on choke stove set-ups.

Also,  if you operate the engine when the ambient temperature is above 67 degrees you will not experience what I call "carburetor icing".
The temperature drop in the venturi section of the carbs is 35 degrees.  If you do the math 67-35 is 32 degrees, this causes ice to accumulate at the bottom of the carb/intake.  This will give you all sorts of issues.  This is why you need some heat operating below 67 degrees

No matter what you have installed, after running the engine on the highway for a hour, everything under the hood is 180 degrees (except the exhaust system of course).

I'm running the headers with full heat and 21/2 inch exhaust pipes.


Hope this helps,

Peter   61 STICK 

On Thursday, October 19, 2023, 05:45:09 PM EDT, dplotkin@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <dplotkin@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:


My 61 Savoy with F induction on a 440, custom headers & no carb heat/no chokes barks to life once with fuel and is ready to rock within a few minutes.

 

You all notice your cars run better in the cold? They do. Denser air charge, less stress. 

Carb heat is for station wagons and AACA.

 

Danny Plotkin

 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: "Rick Dutkiewicz" <rdr_inc@xxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2023 1:37pm
To: "'Rick King'" <rickking952@xxxxxxxxx>, chrysler-300-club-international@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: {Chrysler 300} 64 K Cross Ram

I’m sure you’ll get plenty of advice fro our club. This has been a hot-rodding practice since Ed Iskenderian was just a bump on his dad’s camshaft.

You will only sacrifice a bit of cold startup performance but yes, it will help keep carbs / intake a bit cooler.

 

Rick Haynes Dutkiewicz

 

From: chrysler-300-club-international@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:chrysler-300-club-international@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Rick King
Sent: October 19, 2023 1:29 PM
To: chrysler-300-club-international@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: {Chrysler 300} 64 K Cross Ram

 

Hi everyone, I am thinking of blocking off the the exhaust heat to the intake manifolds as the carbs get to hot in the summer. Has anyone done this and if so how does the car run in colder weather? 

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