RE: [FWDLK] [Chrysler300] Shocks - Koni

[Larry Jabin <larry@xxxxxxxxxx>]

Count me in for a 300D


Larry Jabin
500 Sansome Street
Suite 501
San Francisco, CA 94111

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From: Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of John
Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 8:12 AM
To: Michael Moore; christopher beilby
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Subject: Re: [FWDLK] [Chrysler300] Shocks - Koni



There is no price. I wouldn't even ask unless we had enough interest.

John

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Subject: Re: [FWDLK] [Chrysler300] Shocks - Koni

Have they said what the price would be in a lot of 50 pieces?
Mike Moore
300H

On Jul 26, 2011, at 7:53 AM, christopher beilby wrote:

Can I suggest that for an easier start/option, that you just look at getting
orders for front shocks - if so I would take two sets if the price not much more
than a $100 a shock.
>
>Konis are brilliant on the front of a car that needs good control. I have maybe
>3 good original 300C factory fitted shocks, they currently not on my 300Cs. I
>have put a pair of KYBs on my driver 300C, but they still do not feel as good as
>they could, nor maybe better than the original 300C front shocks that I removed.
>
>My mother had new a late 50s big block Ford Ranchwagon, and we lived up bush at
>the time. The factory shocks lasted only around 15k miles on aussie country bush
>bitumen roads/tracks, this in then 70-80 mph everyday cruise speeds.
>And the front felt just like 300Cs with KYBS - not out of control, but a bit
>sloppy over dips etc. I fitted Konis, and boy what a car it made of it - now
>cruised everywhere at 80-90 mph on good radials. And so I put them on the rear
>of another newer aussie Ford V8, a hotted up one that was good for 125+ mph,
>quarter mile in around 14 secs. And in the next few years, I did 180,000 fast
>miles in that car, over 120k of those I worked out recently at over 100mph
>cruise speeds. (A cop pulled me up once, said he had tailed me from about 1-2
>miles behind for last 15 miles - told me he clocked my speed never below 108mph,
>and up to 115mph, but after bouncing car to check shocks and seeing top quality
>high speed radails, said it perfectly safe, just don't do it when cops were
>around!!) And when I removed the shocks, they were still like new re
>axction/reaction, despite the steel casings near shotblasted/dinted to
>hell/nothing, by untold 100+mph stones/grit etc, never mind they often buried in
>dust/mud.
>
>Owners of 300s that are trailer queens do not bother with Konis - but everyone
>else, if Konis can make a shock to suit our 300s, especially the needy 300
>front, it will put the biggest country and town smiles on our/your faces, it
>will make the car 30-50% more fun/safer.
>I have Konis on my old early 70s Lamborghini, rear of my BM 6 series coupe, and
>recently I have discovered '77/78 TBirds - the ones with 400s and C6 autos - and
>all those combo ones lack to be a real fun driver's/punter car is better/right
>shocks, and if Koni make a not too dear one for them, at least 2 of the 4 of
>them will get them as I can afford. A good driver performance car can be made
>into a magic drivers/fun car with Konis - boring, more lackluster cars, will
>gain little from them though.
>
>Get those 300 order numbers any way you/we can, you will not be disappointed.
>Hemi and crossram 300s were just made for Konis to make them even better fun. Go
>for Koni fronts first, this cheaper than all 4 at once, and if we can, then go
>for the rears as well later.
>
>my two bobs worth - backed by owning/driving over 100 cars from many
>makers/countries - and my heavy right foot is still younger than my
>brain/commonsense.
>Christopher in Australia
>
>
>
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>From: spiers@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:spiers%40rocketmail.com>
>Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2011 07:01:30 -0700
>Subject: Re: [FWDLK] [Chrysler300] Shocks - Koni
>
>
>Hi Mike -
>
>I included you and your 300Hs in the "4-1/2" count of possible buyers for
these
>Koni shocks.
>
>I think there is not enough interest worldwide - so far it's me, you, another
>person from the 300 Club Int'l, and possibly Rick from the Forwardlook list
>(who
>didn't say how many). So, I have not asked the Koni rep anything further than
>the initial availability question below - right now, there is no pricing and
no
>consideration to place these back into production..
>
>The low interest in these shocks may just be the nature of the owner of these
>cars - most drivers of these cars take them out on slow Sunday drives, and
have
>had them for many years, when there were nice runners available for four
weeks'
>pay. In 2011, for many folks, paying more than a modest dinner for two out on
>the town for a set of four shocks is considered excessive - and is reflected
by
>the near-zero interest this is generating here.
>
>Myself, I get out in the cut & thrust of I-95 in South Florida and have to
>out-maneuver the media-estimated 30% of drivers who have NO car insurance at
>all. The added control afforded by the $130-$140 KYBs have saved my butt on
>many
>occasions - but there's room for improvement. I consider the KYBs good
>insurance, and for a one-time purchase, an excellent investment. And the car
is
>more pleasant and fun to drive - I can only imagine what the Konis would be
>like. I would surely never go back to the stock-type shock absorber, ever.
>
>I am copying this discussion over onto the Forwardlook list, and I welcome
>anyone to bring it to the 1959 Plymouth list, the Christine clubs, or any
other
>related Mopar auto forum.
>
>John
>
>________________________________
>
>John,
>I wonder what price range they are considering.
>
>I paid $800 per car set for my Jaguars (6 shocks) .
>They made such a terrific difference that I would be willing to buy 2 sets if
>necessary. If they're thinking $100 each, I wonder how it would change if we
>thought in terms of $200 each.
>
>I would gladly pay $800 for a set of Koni shocks designed by Koni for my car.
>I also wonder just where all the same shocks (as ours) were used originally,
>and hopw many of those folks we could interest.
>Mike Moore
>
>On Jul 25, 2011, at 9:13 PM, John wrote:
>
>> CanMan & All!
>>
>> I sent the email below to see if there is any interest in Koni shocks for
our
>> 1957-1964 Mopars.
>>
>> So far, not including ole CanMan, I have heard interest in the Koni shocks
>> totaling four and a half car sets. Only 45.5 sets to go!!
>>
>> The Koni US factory representative said fifty CAR SETS would be the minimum
>> amount required to have the factory in Holland make a production run.
>>
>> Konis are an adjustable, super-premium shock at a super-premium price, used
>on
>
>> many expensive high-speed European sports cars because of their superior
>>control
>>
>> characteristics - a car set of four shocks for many cars often runs $600 or
>> more. I know it is nearly impossible to convince someone who is used to
>paying
>
>> $15/each for shocks that one could be worth 10x the price. Heck, even the
>>KYBs,
>>
>> which I like very much and have on a couple of my early 60s Mopars and other
>> cars, are beyond the pale for many at $30-$40 each - and they are well-worth
>>the
>>
>> price in improved handling. I find it a little irritating that the KYBs are
>> made in the Far East, though, but they have proven to be a long-lasting,
>> well-made product. At least the Konis are made in Holland.
>>
>> To tell the story in more detail, I've only had Koni shocks on one car, a
>1962
>
>> Morgan Plus/4. When I got the car in 1980, with well over 100,000 miles on
>it,
>>I
>>
>> ordered Konis right away. Much to my surprise, when I cleaned off the
surface
>> rust on the old shocks, they too were Konis, with a 1964 date of manufacture
>>on
>>
>> them! The new ones I installed hardly made a difference, and the old ones
>>still
>>
>> had one more "click" of adjustment left on them to stiffen up the rebound
>> action, even being 16 years old at the time. I was impressed, and drove that
>> car 65,000 miles in my ownership, with never a concern about shocks.
>>
>> One thing that just came to mind - There are US manufacturers that are
making
>> high-performance shocks for the likes of Camaros, Mustangs, etc., - I wonder
>>if
>>
>> any of them would take a look at a set of KYBs as an example, and come up
>with
>>a
>>
>> shock for us? Maybe there's a close fit that can be adapted - I'm messing
>> around with a '72 Pinto wagon (who knows why?!), and installed KYBs all
>around
>>-
>>
>> I had read, and since confirmed, that 1980s Camaro rear shocks fit and work
>>very
>>
>> well on the rear of the Pinto.
>>
>> Cheers.
>>
>> John Spiers
>>
>> ________________________________
>
>>
>> How many do you have signed up, to get a set?
>>
>> How soon is this gonna happen?
>>
>> Thanks,,,,,,,,,,,,,
>>
>>
>----------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> To continue forward with this discussion about shock absorbers at the 300
>Club
>
>> listserver:
>>
>> Koni once made front and rear shocks to fit our cars.
>>
>> I recall having read a thread on the Imperial Club's website. I found it,
and
>> here it is, complete with misspellings:
>>
>> Tip from Philippe:
>> Just a little story about shock absorbers, I think that it could help you
and
>> the Imperial owners. Last year I bought a 57 wrecked Crown (no glasses, rust
>> everywhere, transmission « out »). This car was neglected since 1966 so all
>>the
>>
>> parts on it were never replaced with aftermarket parts ! Except one thing :
>>the
>>
>> shock absorbers! Maybe the original « Oriflow » weren't as strong as
Chrysler
>> said! I was very surprised when I removed the shocks : they aren't « made in
>> Brazil or Mexico » as actual sold by K....R or B......M. There are KONI
>>shocks,
>>
>> a very reliable & famous make (more expensive also). But I don't know if
Koni
>> make them always. Summit has Koni shocks on his catalog. I give you the
>> reference (as they are the same from 57 to 65) : Front : 80 C 1229 Rear : 82
>> 1066 Date of manufacturing : 11/64 If they are always manufactured, buy them
>>and
>>
>> don't buy $80.00 for four : I bought 4 gaz charged absorbers (from kanter) :
>> after one year, one was leaking and one was jamed ! Mexico made ...
>> >>Follow-up from Dietmar:
>> >>>You are right- KONI is the worlds best qualitiy shock absorbers for
street
>>and
>>
>> >>>race cars. They will serve You a 100 000 miles without any complain. I
use
>>them
>>
>> >>>on my IMP 60 so this havy car dont swim nor incline in the curve, I use
>>KONI
>>an
>>
>> >>>all sports car I have.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>---
>> >>>
>>
>> So I sent an email to Koni North America, inquiring about the above
mentioned
>> part numbers. Here is the reply:
>>
>> From: "Mclaughlin, Paul - ITT Motion Technologies"
>>
>> Haven't had those part#'s for years... I think u have to buy 50 cars sets
>each
>>
>> to get run made in Holland.
>>
>> Paul McLaughlin
>> Koni Shock Absorbers
>> ITT Corporation
>> Racing Technical Sales Rep.
>> 1961A International Way
>> Hebron, Ky. 41048
>> 800-922-2616 option 6
>>
>> ---
>>
>> I checked on prices of Koni shocks. They are much more than the KYBs - for
>> example, on Koni's website, a pair of front shocks for a 1970 Dodge
>Challenger
>
>> lists for $320/pair (online price, $240) and the rear pair list for $380
>>(online
>>
>> price, $285). And they do go for upwards of $500/pair in some cases.
>>
>> To make the minimum order, I think it would be difficult to convince a total
>>of
>>
>> 50 people worldwide, between both 300 clubs, the Imperial Club, both
>Christine
>
>> clubs, and all the members of the Forwardlook list, to drop $600 on a set of
>> Koni shocks, when there are discussions of the KYBs being far too expensive
>at
>>
>> over $100/set . . . and I wouldn't drive another one of these cars without
at
>> least KYBs on it. The difference, to you who don't know, is like AM radio
>> versus satellite radio.
>>
>> I personally would buy at least 2 sets of the Konis, after experiencing the
>> profound difference of KYBs, and knowing the Konis are another quantum leap
>> forward - I've only run them 65,000 miles on one car I've owned (a '62
Morgan
>> +4) and was very impressed. One important and interesting feature of the
>>Konis,
>>
>> is that they are adjustable for firmness/softness in their rebound action.
>> http://www.koni-na.com/comp.cfm
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> John Spiers
>>
>> ________________________________
>>
>>
>> There are some H.D. choices out there. Not many cheap one though.
>>
>>http://www.amazon.com/Bilstein-Heavy-Duty-Shock-Absorber/dp/B001HIAMWU/ref=au_pf_pfg_s?ie=UTF8&Model=300|2489&n=15684181&s=automotive&Make=Chrysler|39&Year=1970|1970&newCar=1&carId=001
>>
>>1
>>
>> Bill Huff
>>
>> At 7/21/201111:58 AM, Michael Moore wrote:
>> >I installed those on my 300H and was grateful to get them.
>> >I wish they were stiffer though.
>> >Its almost as though there are no shocks on the car, but insofar as
>> >I know, that's all thats available.I wish Koni made a set to fit.
>> >Mike Moore
>> >300H
>> >
>> >
>> >On Jul 21, 2011, at 8:41 AM, Tony Bevacqua wrote:
>> >
>> > > KYB shocks. KG4507 and KG 5511 are the correct ones. I just made a
>> > > purchase for my 57 (shocks are correct for 1957 to 1964, I believe).
>> > > $116.32 for the 4 shocks, plus handling, etc.
>> > > Tony
>> > >
>> > > -----Original Message-----
>> > > From: Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:Chrysler300%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:Chrysler300%40yahoogroups.com>] On
>> > > Behalf Of Marshall Larson
>> > > Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2011 8:26 AM
>> > > To: Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:Chrysler300%40yahoogroups.com>
>> > > Subject: [Chrysler300] Shocks.
>> > >
>> > > Any suggestions for an appropriate brand and model of shocks for a G. I
>> > > don't need anything exotic, just proper ride and to deal with the radials
>> > > that are on the car. All suggestions appreciated.
>> > >
>> > > MN Marshall
>> > >
>
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