Re: [Chrysler300] survey for owners of C, D, E -Hood Latch
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Re: [Chrysler300] survey for owners of C, D, E -Hood Latch





My 300C also has the weld nut on the bottom and the lock nut on the top.  And my weld nut was broken loose,  and the plate itself had a slight crack at one of the weld points that I also fixed - but all was still tight since the lock nut was cinched tightly.  I took the latch off today to weld the weld nut back in place, not at just the 4 corners, but all around.  

Steve Albu

On Tue, May 17, 2016 at 8:15 PM, John Grady jkg@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [Chrysler300] <Chrysler300-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
 

Hi Chris .. That is really interesting . All 4 of mine had been ( apparently ) assembled with the welded nut on the bottom but the locknut on top .. Which also prevents pull out , but difficult to tighten without on and off . The Chrysler rope in the factory high speed runs was a lot of work as was the double side latch , so two kinds of failures ?? Wrong assembly , and it can pull out . They were not dealing with poor weld issues.when they did the rope ?? . They would know that ? Also most nuts seem to be just tacked at corners and one of ours is broken off , At a corner , I think due to tweaking it . We have now two stock " flat ones" that are tweaked .one with broken weld . I bet some or most are tweaked  a bit even if called flat by eye . Depends on the need or not ?? But we saw another with a full weld all the way around the nut .. Not good as stand alone but a lot better . But all had the lock nut behind the plate . So the one you describe was for sure put together wrong with both on the bottom . But a weld nut showing with a lock nut behind seems ok too . And seems common . But once tweaked lock nut does not always sit square . 
This whole thing is almost unbelievable .. 

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On May 17, 2016, at 2:51 PM, kmaniak@xxxxxxx [Chrysler300] <Chrysler300-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Greetings all:

I have read through this thread of emails and wanted to offer my "two cents" about the hood latch failure on the Baltzar's 300C.  I was there at the "Inc. Club" meet in Sacramento, California in June 1990 and had a look at the hood latch that failed.  This event is one that I will never forget and I will now share my observations and opinions with others for the first time.

The catch portion of the latch mechanism is mounted to the hood of the car and consists of a base plate with welded nut, the threaded and adjustable catch, and a lock nut.  The proper assembly of these three pieces is as follows:  The lock nut is installed on the catch first.  Then the catch and lock nut are thread into the base plate in such a manner that the welded nut is on top the base plate, then the catch is screwed into the bottom of the base plate.  Once the catch is properly positioned, the lock nut is jammed to the bottom of the base plate.  The welded nut on one side (top) of the base plate and the jam nut on the other side (bottom) of the base plate, provide the structural rigidity to prevent the catch and base from separating.  These three pieces were pre assembled together in the factory before the assembly was mounted to the hood, allowing for proper installation.  The base plate has a uniform bolt pattern that would allow an unassembled base to be mounted to the hood with either the welded nut up or the welded nut down if the catch is not installed properly into the base before the base is bolted to the hood.

Erik had his 300C repainted before the Sacramento meet.  Apparently the catch assembly was removed from the hood prior to repaint and disassembled while out of the car.  When the catch assembly was reinstalled, the base plate was apparently attached to the hood without the catch threaded in and was mounted upside down, with the welded nut on the bottom.  Then the catch and jam were screwed directly into the welded nut and the jam nut was jammed directly to the welded nut.  In this configuration, only the strength of the weld between the nut and the base plate kept the catch assembly together.  It was the failure of the weld between the nut and the base plate that caused the hood to fly up at cruising speed.

I didn't say anything to anybody else at the time because I didn't know whether is was Erik or someone else who reassembled the catch assembly incorrectly and certainly didn't want to embarass anyone in the process.

My message to all you C, D, and E owners is to make sure your catch assemblies are assembled correctly, with the welded nut on top and the jam nut on the bottom, to be sure that what happened to Erik doesn't happen to you.

Chris the K MANIAC




-----Original Message-----
From: John Lazenby french_fryguy@xxxxxxxxx [Chrysler300] <Chrysler300-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: John L. Chesnutt <chesnutt@xxxxxxxxxxxx>; 'Bob Merritt' <bob@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Cc: Chrysler300 <Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tue, May 17, 2016 8:02 am
Subject: Re: [Chrysler300] survey for owners of C, D, E -Hood Latch

 
A correction to John Chesnutt's post.  The Baltzar's issue with the hood on their 300C convertible was traveling to the 300 Club Inc. meet held in Sacramento, CA around 1988 or 1989.  To clarify this further when Eric and Belva walked in to the Business Meeting and you could hear a pin drop when everyone saw them bandaged up.

The next morning it was discovered that a rear tire on their car had gone flat.  When the wheel and tire was taken to a repair shop it was and dismounted the rim had split.  This had nothing to do with the hood but just ads to the story of their luck.

John Lazenby 



From: "'John L. Chesnutt' chesnutt@xxxxxxxxxxxx [Chrysler300]" <Chrysler300-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: 'Bob Merritt' <bob@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Cc: Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2016 8:04 PM
Subject: RE: [Chrysler300] survey for owners of C, D, E -Hood Latch

 
Hi Bob,
I sent you a picture of the hood latch on our 1957 300C from Arlys’ cell phone. Hope you got the picture. Our car is 3N571325. It appears to be style 1.
If you would like a larger picture, I have one.

According to John Lazenby, the hood lathe on Erik and Belva Balzar’s 300C convertible broke on the way to the 300 Club meet in Carson City, Nevada, July 1986. I remember seeing Erik and Belva arrive in their 300C with the hood in the back seat, a rip in the top and the windshield smashed. Erik’s head was bandaged so you could hardly recognize him. I do not know if the nut on the top of prong was missing or the bolts gave up. I too often think about this when in our 300C.

John

From: Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of 'Bob Merritt' bob@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [Chrysler300]
Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2016 11:46 AM
To: Chrysler 300 List
Subject: [Chrysler300] survey for owners of C, D, E


We are working on a safety hood latch for the
C, D, and maybe it also fits the E.

Please give a look at this page
<http://www.chrysler300club.com/rcmstuff/4/1.html>; http://www.chrysler300club.com/rcmstuff/4/1.html

and let me know what style hood you have.

Thanks


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