[Chrysler300] On the road to the TorqueFlite
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[Chrysler300] On the road to the TorqueFlite





If the De Soto crank was for a “Hy Drive” transmission, info on that tranny may be found at:  http://www.allpar.com/mopar/hydrive.html             The article states that the HyDrive tranny was installed in some export De Sotos.  Another article indicates it was stand ard on Dodges and optional on De Sotos.  I recall a couple of customers had HyDrive Plymouths in the 50’s and an oil change took 10 quarts—11 with a filter.  I did not recall that the engine oil was exchanged with the tranny/torque converter through the crankshaft but that makes sense.  I doubt if the crank was hollow, but it sure could have large drilled oil passages to take oil in and out of the torque converter.

 

It was a long, rough road from the MoPar Fluid Drive flathead sixes and eights, through the Prestomatic, HyDrive and PowerFlite to the wonderful and strong TorqueFlite first found in a few of our B’s in late 1956.  Some history indicates Carl Kiekhaefer helped Chrysler move to a three-speed automatic transmission for some low-speed “dig”.  Now Chrysler is up to a nine-speed and still having problems: http://tinyurl.com/m9pmvx9  Current 300’s have an eight -speed Cruise-O-Matic automatic tranny (isn’t that a clever name?) http://www.allpar.com/cars/chrysler/300C/2015.html      With a round knob shifter.  Sounds pretty boring as compared to dagger-on--the-dash (1955), push-buttons (1956-1964) or illuminated shift quadrant in the console.  Soon, shifting will be controlled on a touch-screen.  Can you imagine what this server will look like 50 years from now?

 

Rich Barber https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ity_E-qVzHs        

 

 

 

From: Michael Moore [mailto:mmoore8425@xxxxxxx]
Sent: Monday, June 27, 2016 1:52 PM
To: John Grady <jkg@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Cc: Rich Barber <c300@xxxxxxx>; paul <paulholm@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>; chrysler300 <chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [Chrysler300] '56 300 engine on eBay

 

Hi John,

Time plays tricks on me. 

What really happened as I now recall it was that I was given a 1955 Dodge sedan.  I paid $5 to rent a towbar, hence a $5 car. It was said to run rough, and that ultimately was the car with the missing conrod, pistons and half a cylinder skirt. In the Dodge Hemi  engine. 

I then bought a junkyard DeSoto Hemi to replace it,year unk.  The wrecking yard assured me it would interchange if I swapped some parts around. I recall the engine mounts caused me to more. I rebuilt the DeSoto engine to the extent of putting new rings in it but nothing else-no valve job.

 

I finally got the engine in and was looking forward to a smooth running Dodge.Then it developed a massive pool of oil under the car and I shut it down. 

It turned out my DeSoto engine had a hollow crankshaft which was there because it shared oil with the transmission (????). I recall discussing options such as plugging the end of the DeSoto crankshaft, swapping crankshafts etc. , but I sold it to the junkyard for $15 and they picked it up. 

My earliest adventure into cars!

Mike Moore

 

 

On Jun 27, 2016, at 12:19 PM, John Grady <jkg@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

 

I bought three Desoto motors from local neighborhood crook when I was ~ 16, (~1959) cheap, ---two had Chrysler firepower valve covers put on them ; my dad ended up burying them in our back yard. Dug a hole next to them 8 years later and pushed them in. 

 

One Chrysler industrial 354 out of junkyard sitting next to them, ended up in a 54 Ford coupe though. 

 

I also pulled apart a nice running 392, left in pieces in basement. He “got rid of that”  too….this bug bites early , before your brain has grown up.

From: Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Michael Moore mmoore8425@xxxxxxx [Chrysler300]
Sent: Saturday, June 25, 2016 10:10 AM
To: Rich Barber
Cc: paul; chrysler300
Subject: Re: [Chrysler300] '56 300 engine on eBay

 





The appearance of the engine makes me wonder if it was assembled as a display for a museum etc. (Painted carb bodies don’t appeal to me!)

It reminds me of the 55 Desoto Hemi I bought back in the early 60’s to put in a Dodge sedan  I had. The PO said it ran pretty rough and needed a tuneup. It did run rough! 

It had had a piston and connecting rod  removed, because the cylinder wall was broken out in one area. I was always curious what that was all about. It sure looked nice though!

Mike Moore

300H  

 

 

 

 

On Jun 24, 2016, at 7:38 PM, 'Rich Barber' c300@xxxxxxx [Chrysler300] <Chrysler300-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

 

Paul:

I was gonna put the address in, but got extracted by a call to supper. Here it is for the convenience of others.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1956-Chrysler-300-Hemi-Dual-Quid-engine-/262491753263?hash=item3d1dba4b2f:g:zpYAAOSwMNxXaEct <http://www.ebay.com/itm/1956-Chrysler-300-Hemi-Dual-Quid-engine-/262491753263?hash=item3d1dba4b2f:g:zpYAAOSwMNxXaEct&vxp=mtr> &vxp=mtr

or:  http://tinyurl.com/jadngyy  

I love the Dual Quid part of the address!  

It would be great to get a B engine into a needy B chassis. Probably worth the money. Note the other items shown on the page. A late-model 5.7L hemi engine can be had for $3,225. Go figure.

Thanks to Cousin Gil Cunningham’s help, I was able to re-unite the numbers matching engine to the ’55 C-300 that I first saw in Des Moines about this time 61 years ago.

I’ve found the process of converting long website addresses (URL’s) to tiny ones at www.tinyurl.com <http://www.tinyurl.com> to be secure, fast and easy. Try it. You’ll like it.

C300K’ly,

Rich Barber

Brentwood, CA

From: Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of paul paulholm@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [Chrysler300]
Sent: Friday, June 24, 2016 7:12 PM
To: 'chrysler300' <chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [Chrysler300] '56 300 engine on eBay

On 06/24/16 21:50, paul paulholm@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:paulholm@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> [Chrysler300] wrote:
> On 06/24/16 19:24, 'Rich Barber' c300@xxxxxxx <mailto:c300@xxxxxxx> [Chrysler300] wrote:

>> Reviewing the e-Bay posting, the engine serial number looks correct as
>> 3NE561118.

>> That engine number would represent the engine from a ’56 Chrysler 300
>> with a VIN of about 3N561094—a really early car (#94+/-). Without the
>> 3, the engine would be from a very early ’56 New Yorker. Knowing the
>> VIN of the car it came out of would be an added validation. We like to
>> keep track of the cars, also. The rarity of the engine makes doing a
>> little research worthwhile. I’d want a photo of the engine serial number.

>> Please keep us posted. 18 bids so far to $4,250. Delta-wing air
>> cleaner included. Five days to go.

>> C300K’ly,

> TONITE my ebay fu is weak, sure would help someone I recently met that
> has a B BUT Not a 300 motor if I could find the listing .

ok, finally got smart, found the 300B listing and saw that the info
was passed along.

Mission accomplished!

-- 
Paul Holmgren
Progress is impossible without change, and those who
cannot change their minds cannot change anything.
George Bernard Shaw

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