[Chrysler300] Fun with Numbers
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[Chrysler300] Fun with Numbers

Bob J.:  Great summary for the G’s.


Repeating what most 300 folks know, the hemi’s in the 1955-58 letter cars had individual/unique serial numbers stamped on them and this engine S/N was hand-written on the IBM CAR RECORD CARD for that car.  (Perhaps also on the track sheet or elsewhere??).  The VIN format for a ’55 C-300 was 3N55-ABCD and the engine S/N format was 3NE55-WXYZ, where the last four letters signify digits which are highly unlikely to be identical (other than the first digit which would span 1,000 vehicles and would often be the same).  The 1955 correlation of VIN & S/N is quite random—still, “matching” in our case would be that the engine S/N “matched” the original entry—now documented in the club records thanks to Gil Cunningham.    The last four digits of the S/N on the engine in our C300 ( https://www.volocars.com/auto-sales/vehicles/14055/1955-chrysler-300 -no longer ours) were/are 100 higher than the VIN but still “matching”, as per microfilm image of the IBM card (1198 VIN, 1098 S/N).  There are more orderly correlations of VIN & S/N for 1956-58 300’s.  After 1958, the only indication of the engine being original (“matching”) would be the date stamp in conjunction with the ID indicating the engine is a letter-car engine and that date being the same or less than the SO date.


I recall being told that non-“matching” VIN & S/N would not be penalized in club concours judging so long as the replacement engine was year and model-correct and properly trimmed and equipped.  Don’t take my memory as gospel.  Rules can change.


It would be interesting to know whether short-ram and long-ram engines in the same model year had different block ID’s.  In 1964, the engine block ID is different for the standard single four-barrel FirePower 360 engine and the short-ram, dual carb FirePower 390 engine.



Rich Barber

Brentwood, CA (Overcast and 58F @ 2:30 PM—Wind & rain a-comin’.   Spring has sprung here)





From: Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of 'Bob Jasinski' rpjasin@xxxxxxxxxxx [Chrysler300]
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To: 'Val Jeffers' <edward1108@xxxxxxxxxx>; 'Yahoo! Inc.' <chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: RE: [Chrysler300] Barrett-Jackson Auction



Numbers matching is a relative term to the age of the vehicle.  1968, I believe, but maybe ’67, is the year that required VIN #s to be stamped on various components to deter theft, thereby reflecting that “Numbers Matching” means original to that car components. 


When it comes to Letter Cars, different numbering patterns occurred over the years to identify original components.  For instance, a correct 1961 300G engine will have a date code stamped on the machined boss near the distributor that shows a month and date built that would be prior to the scheduled build date of the car.  In addition it would have the letter R (designates 1961 model year)  and 41HP (short for 413 High Performance) stamped on the same boss.  The trim code (SO) plate will have additional information about scheduled build date, colors, and options etc,  the VIN will start with 8413 indicating a 300G.  So, there you have it, that gives you an idea what “numbers matching” means for a 300G, if you were to use that term.


There are additional ways to verify original components like casting numbers and body number stampings, but the above are the most important.  I would also state that that having a correct engine in a Letter Car does make a difference in the value of the car as perceived by potential buyers.


Bob J


From: Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Val Jeffers edward1108@xxxxxxxxx [Chrysler300]
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Subject: Re: [Chrysler300] Barrett-Jackson Auction



Let me ask a possibly dumb question. I was told “Numbers Matching” didn’t begin until 1967 or thereabouts. Hence, unless it was say a 383,how would you know ? 




                         Val J

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On Tuesday, January 23, 2018, 2:02 AM, mark love marklove@xxxxxxx [Chrysler300] <Chrysler300-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:


If the engine is not original. Will make a diff

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On Jan 21, 2018, at 6:42 PM, Andy Mikonis r41hp@xxxxxxxxx [Chrysler300] <Chrysler300-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:


I haven't seen this G, despite being in touch with them they didn't come two hours to the Elkhart Lake '16 national meet. He tried to buy a G engine block off of me so it probably has an incorrect engine. So, the price doesn't seem too crazy low to me. There may have been a G coupe or two that sold for more, but from what I hear those were the outliers. So the important point is YES let's drive and enjoy them, and pay less for insurance.. And maybe some young people will look at these as affordable and take some of them on. If you are worried about values my opinion is we will soon be running out of rich old guys who want these cars.



On Jan 21, 2018, at 9:58 AM, mark love marklove@xxxxxx [Chrysler300] <Chrysler300-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:


Having seen the car, up and down and knowing it belongs to one of our members, I regret that the car didn’t command a higher price.  In my somewhat limited view, this car was done right.  At $57k (and if that’s advertised, then the buyer’s fee of 10-12% has been added to that number), this car sold at just over $50k.  Wow what a car for that price.  I would have thought that car would have sold well into the $60’s.  If this is where the market is going for our letter legends, time to just sit back, put the pedal down and enjoy them.  

On Jan 21, 2018, at 7:29 AM, Glenn Ornat tanro73@xxxxxxx [Chrysler300] <Chrysler300-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:



Good Morning,


The G sold at Russo and Steele on Saturday for $57,000....  There is a great app called Hammer Price that shows all of the big auction results, plus pictures of each of the cars.  I installed the app last year at Barrett-Jackson and it has performed great!  Hope this helps.


Glenn Ornat

300D and F

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On Jan 21, 2018, at 07:43, Val Jeffers edward1108@xxxxxxxxx [Chrysler300] <Chrysler300-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:


So we all are waiting patiently for the result of the 300 G sale !

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On Sunday, January 21, 2018, 1:12 AM, Keith Boonstra kboonstra@xxxxxxxxxxxx [Chrysler300] <Chrysler300-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:



Aha! I thought the G  was at B-J. Did not know it would be at Russo's instead. Will look for the results there.


Keith Boonstra



On Sat, Jan 20, 2018 at 11:16 PM, mark love marklove@xxxxxx [Chrysler300] <Chrysler300-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:


Hi All, I was at BJ’s today.  Had a car running.  Auction started slowly.  The ’62 came from Temecula and was sold at McCormick’s Palm Springs Auction last Nov. for $42, net of buyer’s fee.  It resold today for $40k net of buyer premium.  The car was much better than the price it got.  Timing is everything and running 15th in the auction when there are dealer exotics and some quirky stuff ahead of it, doesn’t do us any good.  I also went to Russo and saw the 61 G.  It was very well done and  a crisp presentation.  I just hope when the weather set in today and the rain came that it showed well in the evening.  We left before it ran, so hope someone has the info to share.


On Jan 20, 2018, at 3:51 PM, John Holst jholst@xxxxxxxxx [Chrysler300] <Chrysler300-noreply@ yahoogroups.com> wrote:


Here are the results for the Barrett-Jackson Chrysler auction today:

1962 Chrysler 300 H sold at $44,000

http://www.barrett-jackson. com/Events/Event/Details/1962- CHRYSLER-300H-213643

1970 Chrysler Hurst sold $50,600

http://www.barrett-jackson. com/Events/Event/Details/1970- CHRYSLER-300H-210564

You need to login to view the selling price. John...








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