Re: pilot bushing dos and donts

["62-65-mail-list-club-Gary-H" <62-65-mail-list-club@xxxxxxxxxxx>]

Ehrenberg sells a "Mopar PILOT BEARING Clutch/Crankshaft Problem Solver" that has a photo of where what he sells goes.
 
https://www.ebay.com/itm/224653399904

https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/UekAAOSwNyFWdGtd/s-l500.jpg

Thanks,
Gary H.

>  -------Original Message-------
> 
>  
>  I tried but he's clueless as to what I am talking about.. Plus its on
>  a motor stand so I don't know if he could t get a very good camera
>  shot in there.
>  Neal Zimmerman
>  
>  On Fri, Sep 9, 2022 at 8:01 AM neal zimmerman
> > wrote:
>  
>  > On the other hand I could just have one of my 440s rebuilt locally
>  > and I would then know everything about my motor. But the post covid
>  > waiting list is long to get it done.
>  > Plus I recently lost my 20+ year machinist guy to a very aggressive
>  > cancer, so I am now at a loss as to who/how to get a motor rebuilt
>  > here in town..
>  > Starting over at square one as to who can be trusted.
>  > Neal ZImmerman
>  >
>  > On Fri, Sep 9, 2022 at 7:54 AM neal zimmerman
>  >  wrote:
>  >
>  > OK sounds like the NAPA part could help out. I am eyeballing a brand
>  > new rebuilt 440 on facebook Marketplace, but it's about 200 miles
>  > away, so I can't get my eyeballs on back of crank to see., and the
>  > guy selling it seems a bit clueless as to what I am talking about
>  > when I asked him what the status of the crank is.
>  > I mean it very well could be pilot bushing ready, but I just don't
>  > know, and I don't want to drive 200 miles to find out it's a no-go
>  > situation.
>  > At least he has the receipts for the work done.
>  > neal Zimmerman
>  >
>  > On Thu, Sep 8, 2022 at 6:37 PM Bill Parker   wrote:
>  >
>  > I'm not sure if all -pre '66 were fully machined, I suspect someone
>  > on here will know for sure though. But again, if you are going to
>  > rebuild, then sure why not get it bored and reamed. I know how any
>  > project can turn into, "well while I'm this far, I just as well do
>  > that", I do it myself. If you weren't going to anyway, the late
>  > model bearing does work.
>  >
>  > Bill & Kathi Parker, South Central Indiana
>  >
>  > Virus-free.www.avast.com
>  >
>  > On Thu, Sep 8, 2022 at 7:24 PM John Waskiewicz  
>  > wrote:
>  >
>  > Question, where all 361, 383 426 cranks pre 1966 engines machined
>  > for this pilot bushing, for either auto or manual trans? As if I
>  > feel like switching to 4 speed the machining is there, I guess if I
>  > do put the 4 speed in I will rebuild the 361 anyway, and machine for
>  > it. John Wask.....
>  >
>  > Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
>  >
>  > -------- Original message --------
>  > From: 'Stan Kafouse'  
>  >
>  > This is a very simple fix the crank is either drilled AND reamed for
>  > a pilot bushing or it just drilled. NAPA sells a pilot bushing for
>  > this drilled BUT NOT REAMED episode. 610-xxxx is the part number, I
>  > am going from memory as I kept those in my tool box years and years
>  > ago. This bushing has a smaller O.D. allowing it the press into a
>  > non reamed crankshaft.
>  >
>  > On Thursday, September 8, 2022, 12:46:32 AM EDT, Bill Parker
>  > <hemirr@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>  >
>  > I may or may not have already sent a reply albeit leaving out the
>  > item number I was going to post. But here goes again. As already
>  > described you do have to separate the engine and trans to find out.
>  > If your 440 came new with an automatic trans it will not have a full
>  > pilot hole. The quick and inexpensive fix, again as already
>  > described, is a pilot bearing that fits in the crank recess. See
>  > eBay item 295180519557 for one of these and there are other
>  > listings. This item started out as original Mopar but as said, there
>  > are repros now too. You do have to cut off some of the trans input
>  > shaft tip with a cutoff wheel and chamfer it a fit for ease of
>  > assembly, or technically you could go to the trouble of taking the
>  > crank to a machine shop to be bored and reamed for the original
>  > bushing, particularly if you are going to disassemble the engine
>  > anyway.
>  > Rick Ehrenberg did a Mopar Action article on this but I cannot
>  > recall how much has to be cut off. I did use this method years ago
>  > on a four speed changeover. I even have a Mopar special driver tool
>  > somewhere that seats the bearing in the recess nice and flush but it
>  > can be done with a punch.
>  >
>  > On Wed, Sep 7, 2022 at 7:52 PM neal zimmerman
  wrote:
>  >
>  > how can one tell if a 440 crank is machined for a pilot bushing ?
>  > And if it is not, would it require disassembling the engine to do
>  > so?
>  > neal zimmerman --
>  > --
>  > --
 

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