RE: Torsion Bar Project...WOW

[Rich Kinsley <rlkinsley@xxxxxxxxx>]

I may not be able to stay either. The parade is nice though.

Rich Kinsley '64 Dodge Polara 4dr 318poly w/goodies
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62pluckedchicken@xxxxxxxxx wrote:
> 
> Already cleaned up the white walls for the parade :) won't be able to 
> stay for the cook out.. in-laws in town :(
> Rich Kinsley wrote:
> > 
> > I'd use them all too. It's not likely you'll need any again for your car 
> > 
> > 
> > and the parts seem to be specific to yours. Use it, enjoy it. BUT be 
> > ready for the parade Saturday :-)
> > 
> > Rich Kinsley '64 Dodge Polara 4dr 318poly w/goodies
> > 
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> > 62pluckedchicken@xxxxxxxxx wrote:
> > > 
> > > I'm not gonna be racing.. my car is a lover not a fighter ;)
> > > 
> > > I was asking about the torsion bars for future reference.. I bought the 
> > > heavier shocks from shocks2springs, at the owner's suggestion..
> > > 
> > >  between the shaocks and everything else I've done to the car, that 
> > > pretty much wiped out my "car" budget for this year ;)
> > > 
> > > As soon as the shocks arrive I plan on spending the day at AF, I've 
> > > resigned myself to use every part I've got... I'll probably never get 
> > > around to doing another car.. probably.. right?
> > > 
> > > Steve Mick wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > Bob "if it were me" with all new ball joints and bushings-tie rod 
> > > > ends---  
> > > > Unless your car will not adust up to acceptable ride height with your 
> > > > current torsion bars, I would not change them . Put some heavy duty 
> > > > shocks 
> > > > on that luxury liner  of yours and with all those things you are doing 
> > > > -it 
> > > > should drive like new.---Unless you are going road course 
> > > > racing!.......................MO
> > > > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > > > From: <62pluckedchicken@xxxxxxxxx>
> > > > To: <1962to1965mopars@xxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 3:38 PM
> > > > Subject: RE: Torsion Bar Project...WOW
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks for filing me in.. makes sense now.. so even though my car is
> > > > > stock, it could possibly benifit from a torsion bar upgrade,to give a
> > > > > bit more "drivablity"
> > > > >
> > > > > Ollie wrote:
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Bob,
> > > > >> My problem began when I pulled a 318 poly(SB) out of my 65 Satellite and
> > > > >>
> > > > >> replaced it with a 1972-440(BB). To compensate for the eng weight
> > > > >> different
> > > > >> I needed to upgrade the torsion bars immediately.  At that time I did
> > > > >> not
> > > > >> know anything about this suspension system. (2 years later, much
> > > > >> research, I
> > > > >> am now an expert witness)
> > > > >> Originally to get the vehicle aligned we had to lower the suspension
> > > > >> system...the height adjustment... to be able to bring the camber and
> > > > >> castor
> > > > >> adjustments within reasonable adjustment range. We were not within
> > > > >> specifications , but darn close.
> > > > >> As a result of this folly my entire front end was to low. (ride height)
> > > > >> My
> > > > >> shocks were not getting full travel, they bottomed out hard , when that
> > > > >> happened I was all over the road.  Any speed in excess of  70 you were
> > > > >> driving out of control, especially  in any bumpy situation, risking life
> > > > >> and
> > > > >> limb.... but worst of all... my Mopar.
> > > > >> I replaced  the original torsion bars with .920's. (what they would have
> > > > >>
> > > > >> been from the factory with a Big Block) My research also told me that we
> > > > >>
> > > > >> have a weak tower system on our cars (upper A frame support) and they
> > > > >> will
> > > > >> sag. To compensate for this you need to replace the non-adjustable strut
> > > > >>
> > > > >> rods with adjustable ones,  allowing you to drag the lower control arm
> > > > >> fwd
> > > > >> for castor adjustments.
> > > > >> Even if you have not upgraded an eng...this torsion bar system is not
> > > > >> near
> > > > >> as tuff as a upper/lower A frame, coil spring system. We are dealing
> > > > >> with 45
> > > > >> year old vehicles and u need new torsion bars and adjustable strut rods.
> > > > >> All
> > > > >> of this learning curve has been rough, but today it has all come
> > > > >> together.
> > > > >> Now keep in mind MS Cruiser does not drive like a new Challenger, we're
> > > > >> 45
> > > > >> years of technology behind, but she loves to roll now....
> > > > >> MOPAR.....Move Over Plymouth Approaching Rapidly
> > > > >> Ollie's 2 cents.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> ----- Original Message ----- 
> > > > >> From: <62pluckedchicken@xxxxxxxxx>
> > > > >> To: <1962to1965mopars@xxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > >> Sent: Monday, August 17, 2009 3:38 PM
> > > > >> Subject: RE: Torsion Bar Project...WOW
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > Cool results!  refresh my memory.. what was the original problem?  was
> > > > >> > this to make the ride firmer when ya step on it?
> > > > >> > Ollie wrote:
> > > > >> >>
> > > > >> >>
> > > > >> >> MS Cruiser update...My torsion bar and adjustable strut rod upgrade is
> > > > >> >> now finished.  Complete alignment this morning. WOW !!
> > > > >> >> Every problem I had has disappeared!! Getting full travel of my shocks
> > > > >> >> now, swaying when hitting a bump is gone. Tommy was able to get
> > > > >> >> everything within specs.
> > > > >> >> I backed out of it at 105 mph. I had more rpm left and was comfortable
> > > > >> >> with the steering. The one recommendation I would give anyone is to 
> > > > >> >> get
> > > > >> >> this done first and not save it to one of the last projects as i did. 
> > > > >> >> I
> > > > >> >> would also say the adj strut rods are a must. When we installed the 
> > > > >> >> rods
> > > > >> >> and matched them to the original we were about 1/2 way in the
> > > > >> >> adjustment. They are now pulled in all the way, no adjustment left.
> > > > >> >> Just for info purposes..fender height ended up exactly 26" (for what 
> > > > >> >> its
> > > > >> >> worth)
> > > > >> >> Happy camper, Ollie
> > > > >> >>
> > > > >> >>
> > > > >> >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > > > >> >>
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> >
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> > Rich Kinsley '64 Dodge Polara 4dr 318poly w/goodies



Rich Kinsley '64 Dodge Polara 4dr 318poly w/goodies


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