To: 1962to1965mopars@xxxxxxxxxx
From: bbjt3@xxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: 273 Rebuild / moth balls in gas
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 05:04:49 -0800
It wasn't unleaded in the 60's, at least at our local airport.
--- On Tue, 1/26/10, Doug Jacobsma wrote:
From: Doug Jacobsma
Subject: RE: 273 Rebuild / moth balls in gas
To: 1962to1965mopars@xxxxxxxxxx
Date: Tuesday, January 26, 2010, 10:41 PM
When I was racing, I was driving a tank wagon for a living,
and one of my customers was the local airport. I always
had a good supply of av-gas on hand. What most people
didn't realize, was that it was unleaded even back then.
Jake
'63 Sport Fury 'vert
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To: 1962to1965mopars@xxxxxxxxxx
From: zephyr9900@xxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: 273 Rebuild / moth balls in gas
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 16:50:29 -0600
The guys that I know that used mothballs and swore by
them had a five gallon
gas can that they did their secrete mixing in and then
poured the concoction
through a paint filter in a funnel stuffed with cheese
cloth directly into
their tank, and then filled it with Sunoco 260. They
also had two inline
filters on their cars. Don't recall that they had any
fuel problems, or any
that they would talk about. If I remember correctly I
read that mothballs
mixed with gasoline added an extra oxygen molecule to
the mixture, so it
makes sense that it would make more HP somewhat like a
crude precursor to
the nitros set-ups of today. We also had a guy that
swore the purple dye
that Martin Gas Co. put in their ethyl was his secrete
performance enhancer.
That said I also remember one guy bragging that he ran
jet fuel mixed with
his gas. The problem with that is jet fuel is just
diesel fuel run through
another refining process. And regular gasoline is two
or three more steps
above that. Now if he was bragging that he used the
high octane Aviation
Gas like I ran then he might have something to brag
about. I used to keep
my mouth shut and used their bragging as leverage to
spot me a couple of
cars or more just to make the race even. (-; Just my
two C!!
Herb
1956 Plymouth Belvedere 361
1959 Coronet 326 Poly
1963 Fury 2D/HT 6.1
1963 Sport Fury Convertible 361
1970 Challenger RT 440 - 4 Sale
1999 Durango SLT 5.9
2008 SRT-8 Magnum 6.1
St. Louis, MO.
http://1962to1965mopar.ornocar.com/mmo42009.html
-------Original Message-------
From: Doug Jacobsma
Date: 1/26/2010 3:54:46 PM
To: 1962to1965mopars@xxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: 273 Rebuild / moth balls in gas
I haven't tried it either. What I've been told is it
will leave enough to
eventually gunk up your fuel filter. Atleast thats
what the Harley guys
have found.
Jake
'63 Sport Fury 'vert
'04 Harley FXDWG
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To: 1962to1965mopars@xxxxxxxxxx
From: tomwatters@xxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: 273 Rebuild / moth balls in gas
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 07:59:00 -0700
What kind of residue does it leave. Would it
buildup in your tank and
fuel lines?
Not that I plan on trying it, but am curious about
the adverse effect to
car's. Seems pretty toxic to people.
--Tom
Ollie wrote:
Very Interesting,
Thanks
Ollie
----- Original Message ----- From: "Steven
Charette"
To: <1962to1965mopars@xxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, January 25, 2010 9:22 AM
Subject: RE: 273 Rebuild / moth balls in gas
Jake,
Excellent information, thanks!
SC
-----Original Message-----
From: Doug Jacobsma [mailto:big_jake57@xxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Monday, January 25, 2010 9:56 AM
To: 1962to1965mopars@xxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: 273 Rebuild / moth balls in gas
The subject of moth balls in gas has come up
on a Harley board I
frequent,
as we are always looking for better gas with
those too. Seems there is a
chemical ingredient in moth balls that will
enhance octane some, it was
indeed used by old time racers, but those who
have tried it have found it
leaves a bit of residue behind, plus it has
some other unwanted
characteristics.
I've had pretty good luck with Lucas additive
and a couple others that
list
jet fuel as the carrier. Says it's good as an
upper lube also.
Anyway, here's what we came up with as far as
moth balls go:
JUST SO YA KNOW !
There are two different types of moth balls -
The older type is
composted of
Naphthalene and the newer type is composted of
Paradichlorobenzene.
Both types sublimate from a solid straight to
a a gas- the gas is
toxic to
moths.
The main threat is breathing the fumes, also
may have camphor added as a
insect repellent. They also used to clean the
pipes on wood burning
stoves.
Dangers are:
Inhaling concentrated fumes
ingesting or eating them - HIGHLY TOXIC!
Solvent abuse by kids
Carcinogen
Forms a bond with soil that will kill
beneficial soil insects.
It has been proven plausible that adding moth
balls to a fuel tank will
improve HP.
Listed by the EPA and other Government sources
as a pesticide
7.5 million lbs. used as pest control yearly
369 million lbs. used by the Dept. of Defense
yearly
1.84 billion lbs. used by US jet market
yearly
Toxic level 2 - for inhaling
Toxic level 3 - for contact to skin and eyes
Inhalation causes dizziness - vomiting -
nausea - headaches -
shortness of
breath - coughing - burning eyes
Naphthalene can also kill red blood cells
causing hemolytic anemia and is
also linked to nasal cancer.
Moth
crystals are made from Paradichlorobenzene
(PDB) which is more toxic than
Naphthalene. Prolonged exposure on plastics
may melt them.
PDB is a suspected carcinogen causing cancer.
Repeated inhalation can be fatal - especially
for children,elderly
people,pets, and indirectly for fetuses.
TO SUM IT UP Paradichlorobenzene:
Possible effects: vapor irritates skin,eyes
and respiratory tract,large
doses can cause injury to liver,suspected
carcinogen.
Naphthalene
damages liver,prolonged vapor exposure has led
to cataract formation.
Think I'll stick to the stuff in a bottle!
Jake
'63 Sport Fury 'vert
To: 1962to1965mopars@xxxxxxxxxx
From: bbjt3@xxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: 273 Rebuild status and how
much compression we can run on
pump gas w
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 03:17:39 -0800
I remember when I was a kid that my dad
used to add moth balls to his
gasoline for his circle track racer in the
40's and 50's.
I don't know what the ratio was but he won
a lot of races.
Later
Bill Harrison
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