RE: Super Stock Springs Update

[Butch Edison <waedison@xxxxxxxxxxx>]

I have wondered how this came out, whether you found the vibration or not, so this note is definitely on my SAVE list. Sucks about the arm.
/Butch/Ferndale, WA

-----Original Message-----
From: MO ( Steve Mick) [mailto:micher@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] 
Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2010 9:57 PM
To: 1962to1965mopars@xxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: Super Stock Springs Update


Hay Dave, sorry for your pain, but glad you found the problem . I 
suspicioned the driveshaft length along with several other possibilities. I 
will save this thread and refer to it when I get ready to do my 
springs............................MO

{Steve Mick}
http://www.1962to1965mopar.ornocar.com/mick64.html

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dave64" <lt7dave@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <1962to1965mopars@xxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2010 9:32 PM
Subject: Re: Super Stock Springs Update


Success!  I took it all apart with the initial idea that I'd try the stock 
hangers.  I measured my old springs and the new springs.  The difference in 
the front segment is 1 1/4" (21" stock v. 19 3/4" Super Stock).  The 
driveshaft measured out to have right about 1 1/2" of total travel in it. 
It was maxed out rearward with the 2" extended front hangers.  I determined 
that it probably wouldn't bolt back on if I used the stock hangers - or if 
it did it would be maxed out forward with no play.  So I drilled new holes 
in the 2" hangers - 3/4" forward.  Because it was so close to the two 
original holes they came with, I had to drill the new hole forward and in 
the middle of the existing holes.  So I lost just a bit of height (no big 
deal), and the ability to adjust them up or down if I want.  I actually 
could drill more holes higher up for adjustability if I want.  By my math - 
with this new setup - my driveshaft should have 3/4" of travel each forward 
and
 back.  I put it all back together, and viola!  No more vibration.  Still 
looks great, too.  I'm a happy camper now.

Just one casualty tonight.  When I was putting one of the springs back on I 
pushed it with bad body position (mine), and something popped in my arm.  It 
hurts big time and is basically unusable.  My wife tried to drag me to the 
doc, but you know how that is.  I finished the job - which took longer with 
only one good wing.  Afterward I took a Vicodin (left over from my hip 
surgery), and we'll see what happens.  She thinks I ruptured a biceps 
tendon.  I'll give it through the weekend, and if no progress, I'll go to 
the doc.  I'm glad this solution worked, because I won't be able to do 
anything like that again for awhile until my arm heals.

Thanks guys for all of your help!

Dave

--- On Sat, 6/5/10, Dave64 <lt7dave@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> From: Dave64 <lt7dave@xxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: Re: Super Stock Springs Update
> To: 1962to1965mopars@xxxxxxxxxx
> Date: Saturday, June 5, 2010, 10:44 PM
> Maybe I'll just drill my own holes in
> the 2" hangers. @ things I forgot to mention in my
> last bit of info. Yes, my driveshaft is a ball and
> trunion. And I also see that my pinion snubber lines
> up to contact nothing but air under there - it won't hit the
> underside of the car as it is. Another indication that
> the whole thing is back too far.
>
> Dave
>
> --- On Sat, 6/5/10, Donald Gallimore <dongallimore@xxxxxxx>
> wrote:
>
> > From: Donald Gallimore <dongallimore@xxxxxxx>
> > Subject: Re: Super Stock Springs Update
> > To: 1962to1965mopars@xxxxxxxxxx
> > Date: Saturday, June 5, 2010, 12:20 PM
> > I did a lot of buy and try effort
> > with my '65 Belvedere trying to get the correct
> front
> > spring hangers. The 2" was too much (no pun
> intended), the
> > factory unit was too short. I ended up using an
> A-Body
> > set I found at a swap meet. They moved the spring
> perch
> > back about 1". Note that from what I've read,
> there is a
> > difference in front spring eye location between the
> '65
> > Belvedere's and '65 Coronets. There is a 1"
> > difference. The Belvedere is 116" wheelbase and the
> > Coronet 117". Read that in the Darrell Davis book on
> the
> > '65 Hemi cars. Anyone got that book handy that could
> > veryify that info and supply the details?
> >
> > Measured the the frame to spring eye on my cars in
> the
> > garage. For the dead stock '65 Satellite, it is 2
> 3/8".
> > For the '65 Belvedere with the SS springs and the
> A-Body
> > front spring hanger, it is 3 1/2". So, by deduction,
> it
> > appears the difference is roughly 1" between the stock
> and
> > SS front spring segment length. Again, this is a
> B-Body
> > Plymouth, not a Dodge.
> >
> > Akron Don Gallimore
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----
> > > From: Dave64 <lt7dave@xxxxxxxxx>
> > > To: 1962to1965mopars@xxxxxxxxxx
> > > Sent: Sat, June 5, 2010 11:42:54 AM
> > > Subject: Re: Super Stock Springs Update
> > >
> > > I switched the driveshaft around - no change.
> The
> > brakes are ok - no
> > > draging. I noticed the rear wheels are back
> farther
> > than before - which
> > > got me thinking about the extended front
> hangers.
> > The driveshaft is back
> > > about as far as it will go to connect now. So
> this
> > appears to be at least
> > > part of the issue. The pinion angle looks like
> it's
> > about 0 degrees at the
> > > moment - so this could be another part. The DC
> book
> > says 5-7 degrees nose
> > > down - but I think that's more for racing.
> About 3
> > degrees or so may be
> > > about right for the street? What's the best
> way
> > (tool) to accurately
> > > measure it?
> >
> > When I noticed the wheels are back farther, I thought
> about
> >
> > > taking the 2" front hangers off and putting the
> stock
> > ones back on. This
> > > would move the rearend forward about 2". If I
> push
> > the driveshaft in all
> > > the way, I have about that much, so that might
> push it
> > in to the max or close to
> > > it. I don't know if that would be good or
> not. If
> > I go back to the
> > > stock front hangers, it may also push the nose of
> the
> > pinion up more - going in
> > > the opposite direction of where it needs to go.
> But
> > then shims could
> > > correct that. I think part of the issue is the
> 2"
> > extended front
> > > hangers. I think about 1" would be a happy
> medium -
> > seems that 2" is too
> > > much, but stock is too little. I could put the
> front
> > spring eyes up in the
> > > upper mounting hole (they're in the lowers now),
> but I
> > don't think that would
> > > change much. Maybe it would?
> >
> > At this point, I'm out of time.
> > > My daughter is graduating from HS tomorrow, and
> I
> > can't experiment any more
> > > today and also help get a party ready. I'm
> > disappointed that I won't get
> > > to drive the car to her graduation, but the
> weather
> > may have eliminated that
> > > anyway. Once we're past this weekend, I'll
> > experiment some more. I
> > > think my next move may be to put the stock front
> > hangers back on and see what
> > > that does.
> >
> > Thanks for the help, and keep the ideas
> > > coming.
> >
> > Dave
> >
> > --- On Fri, 6/4/10, MO ( Steve Mick) <>
> > ymailto="mailto:micher@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx";
> >
> > > href="mailto:micher@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx";>micher@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >
> > > wrote:
> >
> > > From: MO ( Steve Mick) <>
> ymailto="mailto:micher@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx";
> >
> > > href="mailto:micher@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx";>micher@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > >
> > > Subject: Re: Super Stock Springs Update
> > > To: > ymailto="mailto:1962to1965mopars@xxxxxxxxxx";
> >
> > > href="mailto:1962to1965mopars@xxxxxxxxxx";>1962to1965mopars@xxxxxxxxxx
> > >
> > > Date: Friday, June 4, 2010, 5:37 PM
> > >
> > > On ball and trunions and
> > > slip yokes. You must be sure that
> > > with car weight on the axels, that
> > > there is room for the
> > > drive shaft to be able to "give" frontward and
> > > backward.
> > > without bottoming out. With slip yokes, if they
> are
> >
> > > to
> > > close to the spline ends that will make the yoke
> loose
> > and
> > >
> > > definatly make a viberation. Also if the yoke
> splines
> > are
> > > worn and loose
> > > fitting, that will make a vibration.
> > > Even brake shoe drag will make a
> > > vibration you would think
> > > was coming from the
> > >
> > > driveline...............................MO
> > >
> > > {Steve Mick}
> > >
> > > http://www.1962to1965mopar.ornocar.com/mick64.html
> > >
> > > ----- 
> > > Original Message ----- From: "David Bailey"
> <>
> > ymailto="mailto:bb64d440@xxxxxxxxxxx";
> >
> > > href="mailto:bb64d440@xxxxxxxxxxx";>bb64d440@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > To:
> > > <> 
> > > href="mailto:1962to1965mopars@xxxxxxxxxx";>1962to1965mopars@xxxxxxxxxx>
> > >
> > > Sent: Friday, June 04, 2010 6:40 AM
> > > Subject: RE: Super Stock Springs
> > > Update
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I’m no expert by
> > > far, but I’d be inclined to agree with
> > > your suspicions…that is 1. To
> > > check drive shaft length /
> > > straightness and what about the universal(s)
> > > joints / Ball
> > > Trunion, are these fresh? By a remote chance,
> maybe
> > > by
> > > simply rotating the drive shaft connecting point
> > could
> > >
> > > restore smooth operation. And 2. The pinion
> > > angle, someone else will
> > > know better but is the angle of 3
> > > degrees still a commonly accepted
> > > point?
> > > Dave B.
> > >
> > >
> > > > To: > ymailto="mailto:1962to1965mopars@xxxxxxxxxx";
> >
> > > href="mailto:1962to1965mopars@xxxxxxxxxx";>1962to1965mopars@xxxxxxxxxx
> > >
> > > > From: > href="mailto:lt7dave@xxxxxxxxx";>lt7dave@xxxxxxxxx
> > > > Subject:
> > > Super Stock Springs Update
> > > > Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2010 20:42:04
> > > -0700
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > After chasing after the correct
> > > brake setup, I have my
> > > '64 Belvedere all buttoned up and back on 4
> > > wheels. Here's a
> > > rundown of what I did.
> > > > I installed a later
> > > model 8 3/4 rearend (I think it's
> > > a '68 B body). I used my old 741 third
> > > member, put new green
> > > bearings on the "new" axles, and put new brakes
> on
> > > it
> > > (11'x2"). I also installed 3400lb SS springs with
> the
> > 2"
> > >
> > > extended front hanger brackets along with new
> (longer)
> > Mopar
> > > drag
> > > shocks.
> > > >
> > > > The result: I really like how it looks now,
>
> > > but it has
> > > a bad vibration starting at around just 20 mph. A
> few
> > >
> > > assessments I make are: the third member is my
> old one
> > - I
> > > had no
> > > problems before, so I'm figuring that is ok. The
> > > axles look fine - don't
> > > appear to be bent or anything, so
> > > for now I think they're ok. No change
> > > in tires or wheels, so
> > > that shouldn't be it.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > This leaves me with the theory that it's
> driveshaft
> > > related. Either the
> > > length of the driveshaft could be an
> > > issue (as suggested previously
> > > here), or maybe the pinion
> > > angle now isn't correct. Because I changed
> > > several things
> > > all at once, I've left myself in a position of
> > > having
> > > several possible areas that could be the problem.
> And
> > I
> > > also
> > > didn't have the forethought of measuring the
> > driveshaft
> > >
> > > length or checking the pinion angle on my
> previously
> > > non-vibrating
> > > setup, so determining if those things are at
> > > issue will be more of a
> > > challenge. I'm bummed out that I did
> > > a lot of work and now have a car
> > > that's essentially not
> > > driveable until I get this figured out and fixed.
>
> > > As always,
> > > your help is much appreciated. What do you guys
> > > think?
> > > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > >
> > > >
> > > Dave
> > > > '64 Belvedere 2D HT, Auto
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > >
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