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Re: Rumor in '59/'60



I always enjoy the first muscle car debate.  In 1962 all the companys were coming out with high horsepower cars in smaller bodies.  Chrysler obviously hit it out of the park.  Ford had some power, as did Chevy with the 409, which was a finicky engine, but properly tuned was pretty impressive.  The answer to the first muscle car laurels landing on the 64 GTO (and this is on good authority)... is that while you could buy a Dodge Dart or Plymouth Savoy with a killer engine, or for that matter a Galaxie with a 390, or a Biscayne with a 409, or a Tempest with a 389,  you could also get those cars with a 6 banger.  Also, you could buy a 62 Sport Fury, or a 62 Super Sport chebby, they also could be bought with a 318 or 283 2bbl.  It was just a trim package.  The GTO in 64 however was a stand alone model.  If you ordered a 64 GTO, it came with only a performance engine.  You could not buy a GTO with a 326 or a 6 banger..  That is what gives the goat the honor of the first muscle car. 
Now, in my mind, that criteria points back to the 55 Chrysler 300, but I suppose the upscale full size aspect of the car disqualifies it too. 
Anyway... that's the way I heard it.

Doug
63 Sport Fury ragtop

On Sun, Jan 24, 2021 at 12:38 AM 'DAVID HURD' via The 1962 to 1965 Mopar Mail List Clubhouse <1962to1965mopars@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
In 1964 I owned a Pontiac GTO, dubbed by many as the first Muscle Car.  Mine had a 389 with tri-power with 2 speed auto trans.  I ran it on a regular basis at the old Fremont Drag Strip.

I became very familiar with 1962 and 1963 Dodges with 413 and 426 Max wedge super stock with 727 torque flight 3 Speed transmissions.

However, my proclaimed as they say, first muscle car, that caught the automotive world off guard,  could not muscle its way past any 1962 Max Wedge.  No matter how I tried to modify it, the heads, carburation, exhaust, a B&M Hydromatic trans with drag kit. Never ever, not once.

Those Dodges were special at the time and dominated the drag strip.  Lighter and quicker, big engine.  Coming from someone who tried to out muscle them, although at the time, they were ugly.  They are beautiful now and hard to come by. In my opinion the first real and true muscle car.

I could give rip about how or why it came on the scene as rambling and speculative about a so called rumor. The Ramchargers are the ones who really changed the automotive world in the early 1960’s. 

For that we are forever grateful and the history is colorful and entertaining.  62 to 65 Mopars are special.

David C Hurd
via iPhone

On Jan 23, 2021, at 6:20 PM, Bill Parker <hemirr@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:


When I was just turning 17, summer of ‘68, I wrecked my ‘58 Savoy and was riding in the wrecker to our local junkyard, where my step dad was going to meet me to drive me around so I could find another car. When we arrived, the yard boss (oddly enough both my step dad and the yard boss were named “Junior”) climbed into my car and fired it up. He said he’d give me $75 on it. He asked me if I was a Plymouth fan. Yep I said. He pointed out a ‘62 Belvedere 2 door sedan in the row of complete, titled vehicles. He said it came in for unknown non-running condition. We walked over and he tried to start it but it just spun over fruitlessly. But it did sound like it was good on compression. He pulled the distributor cap and someone turned the engine over and the rotor didn’t turn at all. We pulled the distributor out and the tab was missing from the bottom of the shaft. He got a magnet probe and retrieved the tab from the slot in the oil pump drive. Someone grabbed him a distributor from another 318 and we stabbed it in and eyeballed the timing. That was enough to get it to run and of course a little ear-wise adjustment got the timing close enough. He took me for a ride and I was hooked. So it was by accident to begin with, literally, but I’ve loved ‘62 Plymouths ever since. 

On Jan 23, 2021, at 5:59 PM, William Jordan <wajordan56@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:


Excellent read, (if lengthly), concerning the downsizing of Dodge & Plymouths in the early '60's. By the way, forty years ago I thought '62 B bodies, from an aesthetic standpoint, were horrendous. Now, if I had more garage space, they would be #1 on my list.

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