The MLK Civil Rights Dodge
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Posted 2007-03-17 3:28 AM (#77598)
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A-ha, I finally found out how to reduce these photos! Last fall I went to visit the National Civil Rights Museum in Memphis, which contains the site of Martin Luther King's 1968 assasination. As many of you know, there was a 1959 Dodge 2-door hardtop parked in the lot of the former motel when Dr. King died. The motel has been more recently converted into a museum featuring many artifacts of the civil rights era, including the preserving of King's room to the way it looked at the time he died. The '59 Royal Lancer hardtop you see here is probably not the car in the '68 picture, as the museum's owners wanted something similar for their re-creation. The winter climate of Memphis is similar to that of Atlanta, with very little snow if any at all. Still, I don't like to see this or any other vintage car exposed to the elements as shown in the pictures.

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Posted 2007-03-17 12:46 PM (#77611 - in reply to #77598)
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What a shame!! That's in very good, restorable condition and like you say,
it's probably just going to sit there and deteriorate until it isn't any good to anyone.

THERE SHOULD BE A LAW AGAINST THAT!!!
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Posted 2007-03-17 3:49 PM (#77625 - in reply to #77598)
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I lived in Memphis from 1990 to 1993 and I was aware of this museum. I never went inside though. You would think the staff would at least wash the car from time to time and put a little Blue Coral on the paint. The rust streaks tell me otherwise though.
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Posted 2007-03-17 7:58 PM (#77640 - in reply to #77598)
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Good Registration number on the Dodge.
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Posted 2007-03-18 7:14 PM (#77682 - in reply to #77640)
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how did they get the cars up there?
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Posted 2007-03-18 10:13 PM (#77700 - in reply to #77682)
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With a sky hook. Maybe the 59 will be for sale in 2017 when MLKJR's FBI files are made public. I'll stop there
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Posted 2007-03-19 10:54 AM (#77732 - in reply to #77700)
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Here is the most famous photo of the assassination scene...
You can see the Dodge clearly enough to see that it was a coupe with a similar paint scheme. The new pictures remind me of the old tradition of stopping the clock when a person dies.

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Posted 2007-03-19 4:26 PM (#77752 - in reply to #77598)
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Those fins look to be red, to me.

In 59, were fins-only a OEM color-option? Apparently, from the MLK photo, and per the car parked there, now: "yes".

In 57 (& 58 IIRC) there was a "roof-only" second-color option, but NO "fins-only" color-option.









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Posted 2007-03-19 10:28 PM (#77788 - in reply to #77598)
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the "original" one in the picture from the 60's looks like a Coronet going by the side trim.
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Posted 2007-03-19 10:45 PM (#77793 - in reply to #77598)
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according to a ross roy book i have on 59 dodges you could have just fins or fins and lower ,or roof and fins or fins,lower and roof so its correct. its a shame its sitting there rusting away....they should put it on e-bay and give the proceeds to the united negro collage fund or some other cause ....happy motoring.....
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Posted 2007-03-19 11:29 PM (#77797 - in reply to #77598)
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Looking at the rockers and lower rear quarters, it looks like it had some rust before the last paint job that wasn't repaired correctly. Yeah, I would like to have it, and it is too bad it can't be protected better, but I think that under the circumstances we can let one Dodge go since it is for a good cause. I have seen many cars parked in fields that were left to rot away, at least this one has a purpose other than just to become someones lawn ornament. And, it could very well help to raise awareness about forward look cars in edition to authenticating the museum. Really though, I can't understand humans fascination with death, you would think that the memorial would be where he was born, instead of where he died. It seems to happen that way though with all people who are looked up to.
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Lancer Mike
Posted 2007-03-20 2:22 PM (#77828 - in reply to #77797)
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I posted a link to the new Volunteer Region. Maybe Nathan and Co. could contact the museum and organize a group of local Forward Look enthusiasts to help maintain the Dodge. Just two or three or four folks visiting on a rotating basis to shine it up, wax it, and replace missing parts here and there would make a huge difference! If I had any '59 Dodge parts (trunk letters, etc.) I would be happy to donate them to a cause like this.

Over the years, imagine the difference that would be evident between the Dodge and the Cadillac! Go Volunteers, Go!
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Posted 2007-03-20 2:28 PM (#77829 - in reply to #77828)
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I'm a member in the Memphis MOPAR Club; I'll approach the President/membership on the idea....


Mike

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Posted 2007-03-20 2:29 PM (#77830 - in reply to #77828)
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A brilliant and charitable idea there, Mike!

I like your way of thinking.

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Posted 2007-03-20 6:29 PM (#77840 - in reply to #77830)
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Fantastic Mike! Please let us know what happens. It seems like a win-win to me: for the MoPar Club (or who ever picks up the torch), it is always fun to spend time with a '59 Dodge (time or money spent would be tax deductable, I assume); for the museum, they could increase or maintain the value of their asset - instead of being left with an unsightly pile of junk in fifteen years.

If the idea takes off, let me know. I would like to be the first to donate a tail light lense (I'm sure I could find one on eBay or at our local swap meet)! If I only lived there I would just be itching to take some steel wool to that back bumper and give that paint a rub with carnuba wax!
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Posted 2007-03-20 7:35 PM (#77844 - in reply to #77598)
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That would be kinda NEAT, to adopt the car!

Think of the good, positive P.R. that would come out of being seen, while maintaining the car!

The "National" Automotive Museum ......(which was founded, by its having received many prime examples, from the Bill Harrah Auto Collection, after his passing, and after the Holiday Inn Corp had bought Harrah's casino empire, but had no use for the car collection, and, so, auctioned- off, over about 4 different events, in the late 80's, most of the HUGE collection ).......in Reno, allows collector-clubs to maintain/polish, etc, their "adopted" museum cars,
and to post placards, attesting to that fact.





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Posted 2007-03-21 10:17 PM (#77949 - in reply to #77598)
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I feel that if the Dodge is to be maintained, so too should the Caddy either by the FL volunteers or by contacting a Caddy club. If a freindly competition ensued, you may have two Concours restorations in a year or two!
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Posted 2007-03-22 12:25 AM (#77955 - in reply to #77949)
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Swept57 - 2007-03-21 10:17 PM

I feel that if the Dodge is to be maintained, so too should the Caddy either by the FL volunteers or by contacting a Caddy club. If a freindly competition ensued, you may have two Concours restorations in a year or two!



Start right here: http://www.cadillaclasalleclub.org/cgi-bin/user/forum.cgi
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Posted 2007-03-22 1:39 AM (#77962 - in reply to #77598)
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Hmmmm; no disparaging comments allowed, & no off-color/off-topic subject-Board?

Wonder if they even allow threads to be hijacked?

What a dull group (sorry, Cadillaccers).





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Posted 2007-03-23 6:47 PM (#78074 - in reply to #77598)
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You've got to be kidding me!  I leave town for a few days, and things go completely haywire on the FL Net!  (Did ya' miss me?)

Why not adopt MY car, Old Brown.  I've done as much for this country as MLK!  And I'd be a whole lot more appreciative, show it off more, and I wouldn't look quite as "stuffy" when I was driving it, if ya' know what I mean.

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Posted 2007-03-24 11:27 AM (#78114 - in reply to #77598)
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Sorry to be the wet blanket in this little debate, but this car represents something that is a bit controversial and political in nature and I think that it is almost the same sort of devisive issue that led to the demise of the rec-room. It would be far more beneficial to "sponsor" a car with less baggage attached, maybe one that was salvageable and intended for auction or something. And lest I get branded a racist for this statement, I would feel the same way about an Elvis car or any other vehicle that was associated with an individual or a political movement.
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Posted 2007-03-24 3:07 PM (#78128 - in reply to #78114)
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Hmm..I've got it, maybe some kind hearted people could come restore my car. It is for a great cause...

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Posted 2007-03-24 3:45 PM (#78132 - in reply to #78128)
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lawrence - 2007-03-24 7:07 PM

Hmm..I've got it, maybe some kind hearted people could come restore my car. It is for a great cause...

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I will Help, If you remove the Dual Antenna,s and send them to me, I will gladly clean them up , I will keep them regularly Cleaned whilst fitted to my 59 , Until the rest of your restoration is Complete, And i will do this out of the Goodness of my Heart, The only thing i Cannot Guarantee is their Safe Return ...... LOL
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Posted 2007-03-24 4:54 PM (#78138 - in reply to #78132)
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Posted 2007-03-25 12:10 AM (#78169 - in reply to #78138)
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I suppose it is all up to the individual Forward Look fans in the Memphis area. Personally, I would would be very happy to help the National Civil Rights Museum maintain an item of mutual interest.

I must say, even if I had a problem with Dr. King, I would not advocate letting this particular Dodge deteriorate. After all, the whole purpose of this forum (as I see it) is the appreciation, restoration and preservation of Forward Look cars. Why disparage or cheapen the charity of others?




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Posted 2007-05-25 1:33 PM (#84192 - in reply to #78169)
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Mike, Bernie, or others:

Does anyone know what happened with the maintenance plan for this Dodge? I have a couple or back-up lenses and a tail lense that I would be happy to donate. Otherwise, they go on eBay. Let me know right away.

Thanks,
Mike
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Posted 2007-05-25 2:56 PM (#84201 - in reply to #84192)
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I sent an e-card to the National Civil Rights Museum at

http://www.civilrightsmuseum.org/about/contact.asp

I will see if they reply.  If they are interested, I may just send the lenses directly.  I would rather sent them to a list member to make sure they get installed, we'll see what happens.

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Posted 2007-09-03 7:58 PM (#95388 - in reply to #84201)
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Well, it's Labor Day 2007, and I've just returned from a road trip to Memphis to visit a personal friend. While I was there, I drove by the Civil Rights Museum to take these pictures for an update of this thread. To this day, I still get questions about that car from the other visitors at that museum.



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Posted 2007-09-03 10:27 PM (#95401 - in reply to #77598)
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That is one huge picture dude . So what are the questions they ask ? You got me on the edge of my seat .
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Posted 2007-09-03 10:40 PM (#95405 - in reply to #77598)
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It looks like they are not going to accept any help and just let that poor car rot. Too bad, it dosen't have to be that way.
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Posted 2007-09-04 12:28 PM (#95451 - in reply to #95405)
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Au Contrair!

Here is the most recent e-mail I received from Mike (My57Saratoga):

"As promised last evening I did present to the membership of our local MOPAR (Chrysler Corporation) Club the possibility of refurbishing the 1959 Dodge. As I expected I was greeted with an enthusiastic response. Initially we forsee taking care of the taillights and other cosmetic details, but in the not too distant timeframe, we hope to work with local body shops to have the automobile painted and otherwise repaired. We may be able to take it on as a long-term project wherein we would "adopt" the car, make regular visits and take care of general housekeeping items such as washing, waxing, etc.

To start us on this adventure we would like to visit the car, possibly on the morning or afternoon of Saturday, 15 September. This date will allow me to publish the details in our local newsletter and firm up the date at our September meeting. If this date is agreeable with you, let me know with a suggested time. A couple of us would like to visit the car before this September date to let other Club members know of the exact status of the car. We are available this Friday afternoon, but if this isn't acceptable, I'm sure we can find a mutually-agreeable date and time.

We ventured for our first closeup look at the car. (It's behind a wall so I've never been close to it before, more about that later....). Definitely restorable, but it does have a lot of rust. I'll share pix when I have time. Quite a bit of rust on the driver's dog leg, trunk near where the window molding meets the lid and a few spots in the usual spaces. Also, it's missing wheel covers, emblems on the front fender and as you have seen, some of the DODGE badging on the trunk. Barbara alluded that she thought the car has never been washed or waxed, which is probably true, (they've been there since '91). The big problem is that the cars are behind a 3 to 4 foot wall and cannot be towed out of where they are parked. They have to be lifted over the wall. Barbara however did mention she may have a lead on someone who can remove the cars. Nathan did place a sticky in the Volunteer State region on the forum..."

I sent a set of new lenses to Barbara Andrews at the MLK museum, but it looks like Mike hasn't had a chance to install them yet. Barbara is planning to become a member of the Forwardlook.net forums and is very enthusiastic about having our assistance as well as that of the Memphis MoPar Club.
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Posted 2007-09-04 12:32 PM (#95453 - in reply to #77598)
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Good, I hope there is some progress.
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Posted 2007-09-04 3:07 PM (#95463 - in reply to #77598)
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Our Memphis MOPAR club as a club activity is venturing downtown in mid-September to look and assess the car. I'll post our progress and pix on the Volunteer Region thread. (As you can see from the photos, the wall hinders movement of the car!)

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Posted 2007-09-04 3:22 PM (#95469 - in reply to #95463)
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for what it's worth, it seems to me that the easiest way to deal with the wall is to remove it, do the work on the cars, then put it back. it ain't much of a wall, frankly.

this would, of course, mean having all ducks (and parts) in a row, with both cars, simultaneously. once the body work is done, it's not going to re-rust just sitting there. when the paint wears off, you can re-paint 'em where they sit with proper masking.

if you think about it, buildings have to be re-painted, re-roofed, brickwork tuck-pointed, etc. i would think that with volunteer wash-and-waxers, the cars should be fairly easy to maintain once restored. i'd be glad the dodge wasn't a ragtop, since they both sit outside!
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Posted 2007-09-04 7:16 PM (#95505 - in reply to #95469)
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I say we let Boyd fix it. He can fix ANYTHING.

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Posted 2007-12-18 3:26 PM (#107640 - in reply to #95505)
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Mike and I received an update from Barbara Anderson on the status of the '59 Dodge:

Hello Mike and Mike,

Happy holidays to you both. Its been a little while since we last communicated and a few weeks since the Dodge and Cadillac have been returned to their nearly new condition. Yes, a local company here, Miles of Service, contracted with a crane company to provide the initial restorative work after a generous board member made the offer to pay for the work needed.

Both autos were crane-lifted from the Courtyard and placed on tow trucks for delivery to the body shop. They sanded down, filled in, repainted, polished and cleaned the cars. The vinyl top on the Cadillac was replaced and the faded green fins on the Dodge were repainted to the appropriate 1950s era green. All of this was accomplished within a 4 week period. (I'm certain that if we wanted the cars to be competition ready - which we did not - it would have taken considerably more time and resources) but we are quite satisfied and the comments of guests indicate that they've noticed the difference. We utilized the tail lights and the hub caps needed for the Dodge. Aside from some of the chrome lettering missing from the autos, they look pretty good.

I'm going to try to attach some pictures of the restored autos. THANK YOU BOTH SO MUCH for your interest, patience, commitment and concern for this long standing situation the museum found itself in. You two really are due the credit for opening up the dialogue again on these cars and their need for repair.

Now, we just need to try to keep them in tip top shape. Mike McKenna, I hope the car club is still interested in helping the museum to maintain these autos. I'm now told that a monthly schedule of maintenance will prolong the life of the cars. I'd really like to begin conversing with you and providing you with any information needed to put such a plan into place.

When you get a moment, don't hesitate to call. Thanks again. BA





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Posted 2007-12-18 3:33 PM (#107641 - in reply to #77598)
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There Must be a member HERE who can Donate the "O D G " Letters for the Trunk Lid,, If i had them i would Gladly send them,,

Thanks Mike for the Update, It,s GREAT to see the 59 Dodge having a Makeover and being Preserved..
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Posted 2007-12-18 3:37 PM (#107643 - in reply to #107641)
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Hi, Clive:

I am already on it. I happened upon a set of block letters from a local junkyard (complete with all pins) and I had this car in mind. If anyone has a spare set of hubcaps, though - I'll bet they could use them. Also, Mike says they could use the "knight" emblems.

Mike

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Posted 2007-12-18 7:15 PM (#107674 - in reply to #77598)
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Posted 2007-12-20 3:24 PM (#107905 - in reply to #107674)
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Does anyone out there have a paint chip chart for '59 Dodges? From the original pictures Mr. Tester took, I expected this car to have gold fins. Does the green look right?
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Posted 2007-12-20 6:16 PM (#107928 - in reply to #77598)
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I have a 59 Paint chip Chart,, I will see if i can dig it out shortly,, I think i remember where it is , But will take me a little while, Unless anyone else can Advise before..


The Green does seem Strange to me.!!!!!!!!!
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Posted 2007-12-20 6:55 PM (#107937 - in reply to #77598)
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Will have to Look tomorrow, The family is all asleep , So can,t turn the lights on and look where i think it is,,

It is all most Midnight this side of the Pond..
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Posted 2007-12-20 6:59 PM (#107938 - in reply to #77598)
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sounds like it just got a quick tart-up.
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Posted 2007-12-20 7:05 PM (#107941 - in reply to #77598)
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LMAO..

Hey Mark. I am not sure if our Family of FL,s across the Pond may understand the term " Tarted Up "........ But you are Probably Correct,, There was No need to get the Car running or drivable , As it is just for public Show.. I hope they used some Steel rather than just Bondo where it was needed though,, Or in a couple years that will look as bad as before...
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Posted 2007-12-20 7:15 PM (#107944 - in reply to #77598)
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Clive,i think the old girl has definitely been just "tarted-up" and by the sounds of it loads o' catty installed(cataloy cruiser) and painted personally by Earl Scheib.
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Posted 2007-12-20 7:22 PM (#107947 - in reply to #107944)
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Mike, your brother gave me a ton of trim for a '59 Dodge 4dr. What are the lions you are needing? I'll dig through this stuff and see if I can find anything, I'd be glad to help. Also, if there are any other misc trim parts they might need, let me know. It might be here with no car to go on.
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Posted 2007-12-20 7:42 PM (#107954 - in reply to #77598)
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It is too bad these cars are being left outside. Perhaps a carport would be in order?

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Posted 2007-12-20 11:29 PM (#108005 - in reply to #77700)
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lawrence - 2007-03-18 10:13 PM With a sky hook. Maybe the 59 will be for sale in 2017 when MLKJR's FBI files are made public. I'll stop there :cool:

 Malcolm X had King pegged .

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Posted 2007-12-21 8:09 AM (#108031 - in reply to #107941)
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As I remember there were a lot of "issues" in the rockers areas. I will bring my trusty magnet next time I see the car...Happy holidays!

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Posted 2007-12-21 12:18 PM (#108056 - in reply to #107905)
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Lancer Mike - 2007-12-20 8:24 PM

Does anyone out there have a paint chip chart for '59 Dodges? From the original pictures Mr. Tester took, I expected this car to have gold fins. Does the green look right?


I downloaded this , Rather than Photo Copy Mine...




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Posted 2007-12-21 12:21 PM (#108057 - in reply to #108056)
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I will post the Rear End PIC here , So you can compare the Colours with the Chart Above..



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Posted 2007-12-21 12:22 PM (#108058 - in reply to #108057)
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$HIT......... The Thread went to another Page,, So here is the Chart Again..



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Posted 2007-12-21 12:48 PM (#108061 - in reply to #108058)
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Yep, the white is much to bright compared to pearl and I am surprised to see there is no gold poly in '59! I expected to see one, given the photos Mr. Tester snapped. Maybe Mike McKenna can get a digital picture of the data plate next time he visits the car. It would be interesting to match that with the paint sample chart (thanks for scanning that).

In regards to previous posts, of course you would not expect a frame-off hyper-correct restoration on this car - it sits outside and the generous board member who paid for all of this doesn't even own or drive it. I think it turned out great! At least the passerby can look at it now and say "neat". I think that's really all you want out of this one.
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Posted 2007-12-21 2:02 PM (#108072 - in reply to #108061)
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I'll take a pix of the data plate as well as some overall pix of the car

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Posted 2009-11-25 10:42 PM (#198459 - in reply to #77598)
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I have never seen this thread before. Really cool! I'm so glad that the cars were "restored" or at least preserved. I grew up in West Memphis, Arkansas. My parents, my sister, and me used to go to Memphis pretty often. I have fond memories of a drive-in Krystal restaurant in Memphis, I don't recall what street it was on though. My dad and I used to attend an Archery league in Bartlett in 1978-1979. So, Memphis is special to me. I also lived in Collierville for about a year in '80-'81, as Mike (my57saratoga) knows, as I met him once a few years back. Bravo to the Tennessee guys! (and Gals) --Zach
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Posted 2009-11-30 4:24 PM (#198938 - in reply to #198459)
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Zach, thanks for reviving this thread. I have wondered about the status of the car. The restoration is by-and-large done. I sent a few little items here and there to do my part. I think I sent a full set of trunk letters - I wonder if they ever went on? Mike or Nathan, do either of you ever get a chance to see this car anymore? I am still looking for a set of wheel covers to send to them. I can't think of anything else it needs.

If anyone has a spare set of decent wheel covers that they would be willing to donate, let me know and I will send their address to you. They can remove that set of '57 - '58 knock off spinners!

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Posted 2009-11-30 7:26 PM (#198974 - in reply to #77598)
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I too am glad to see this thread revived as I haven't seen it before either. Boy, I sure could use those antennas! Nice to see the car preserved!

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Lancer Mike
Posted 2011-01-13 10:33 PM (#256900 - in reply to #198974)
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Seems like and appropriate time to check in on one of my favorite Dodges...has anyone seen this car lately or have any more information about it?

I haven't talked to Barbara in a long time. I did write a letter to CoverCraft to see if they would be willing to donate a cover for this beauty - never heard anything more about that!
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Posted 2011-01-13 11:14 PM (#256904 - in reply to #256900)
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Lancer Mike - 2011-01-13 9:33 PM

Seems like and appropriate time to check in on one of my favorite Dodges...has anyone seen this car lately or have any more information about it?

I haven't talked to Barbara in a long time. I did write a letter to CoverCraft to see if they would be willing to donate a cover for this beauty - never heard anything more about that!

I was there the day before Labor Day 2010. I've got a couple more exterior pictures if no one has newer updates. The few locals on the street didn't know much about it other than they are just 2 old cars for MLK.



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Posted 2011-01-14 1:09 AM (#256916 - in reply to #77598)
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Hay Don! Cool shirt- that would go good at Greaserama 8-) .....MO
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Posted 2011-01-14 10:28 AM (#256949 - in reply to #256916)
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Very nice, Don! I am certain that I sent Barbara a whole set of the trunk block letters. Did you happen to notice if those were in place? From the photos we have seen recently, the interior looks like it is in fair condition - did you happen to notice how the interior looks?

I am going to look for a set of the appropriate wheel covers for the car at the Tri-State Swap Meet in February.
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Posted 2011-01-14 10:48 AM (#256952 - in reply to #77598)
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Thanks Steve! I was in Memphis most of Aug and left specifically to get back to KC for Greaserama. Hope to see you out there again next year.
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Posted 2011-01-14 10:49 AM (#256953 - in reply to #256949)
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Lancer Mike - 2011-01-14 9:28 AM

Very nice, Don! I am certain that I sent Barbara a whole set of the trunk block letters. Did you happen to notice if those were in place? From the photos we have seen recently, the interior looks like it is in fair condition - did you happen to notice how the interior looks?

I am going to look for a set of the appropriate wheel covers for the car at the Tri-State Swap Meet in February.

Mike, sorry I guess I was blocking out the important details. Here's the other pictures I have. PM me your email if you want the high res versions



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Posted 2011-01-14 10:52 AM (#256954 - in reply to #77598)
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The last picture is the best I could get of the interior without climbing over the wall. It was sad to see rust showing up on the trunk after recently being painted.
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Posted 2011-01-14 12:45 PM (#256963 - in reply to #256954)
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Those are terrific Don! I think I sent them the block letters on the trunk, a few tail lights and bezels, and the chrome "vents" on the driver side. I agree with Neil that the actual car was probably had red fins (or at least a darker color). This is a nice display though.

Perhaps I should revive my letter-writing campaign to CoverCraft!
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Posted 2011-01-14 12:51 PM (#256965 - in reply to #256953)
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It looks like they need

1. a stainless steel elbow on the passenger side
2. a lance and shield for each side of the front fender
3. correct wheel covers
4. a chrome "vent" emblem for the rear passenger side

Is that all? If anyone has any of this stuff that they are not going to use, let me know and I can give you Barbara Andersons telephone number and address!
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Posted 2011-01-14 6:39 PM (#257012 - in reply to #77598)
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I noticed the rust as well. You can see it clearly in the picture of the interior shot as well... just below the fin trim. Unfortunate.
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Posted 2011-01-15 11:39 PM (#257150 - in reply to #257012)
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In 2007 and 2008 we in the local MOPAR club in Memphis made attempts to "sponsor" the cars outside the museum, to include general upkeep such periodic washing et al. (See my posts from 2007 in this thread.) We prearranged a couple of club weekend activities at the museum but unfortunately in each instance we could complete the tasks, because either on-site security had not been made aware of our planned visit and would not allow access or we did not have access to water to wash the vehicles (a key is need to unlock the spigot). After these failed visits, (most club members live in excess of 25 miles from the museum), a majority of members voted to pursue other charitable activities. We are glad that Bank of America has decided to sponsor the upkeep of the cars! (They definitely have more resources at their disposal than our 25-member club!)

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Posted 2011-01-16 12:40 AM (#257161 - in reply to #77598)
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This is why no matter how "Well" a restoration is done, if the car just sits outside, or is driven in rain/snow/salt, etc. IT WILL RUST BACK THROUGH..I actually hadda guy ask me one time after I welded a few patch panels and haden't even filled the panels yet, "Do you guarantee your work NOT to rust out?" I replied: "Did the factory?"


Did we actually think the folks at this museum were gonna perform a ground up resto on these cars? I think not, even with Bank of AMerica on board..once the bill hits $20K each car, they aren't gonna get anything but what they got here..A quick repaint and a new vinyl roof on the Caddy...No removal of trim etc...I can only imagine what "Periodicaly wash" the cars means....A Water hose...All that water from rain isn't the only thing rusting the cars to the ground....How many here on this site wash their cars with a water hose? And are afraid to let rain hit it at a show? How bout driving them in salted, snowy roads after spending big bucks on a restoration?

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Posted 2011-01-16 6:44 AM (#257174 - in reply to #257161)
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I actually hadda guy ask me one time after I welded a few patch panels and haden't even filled
the panels yet, "Do you guarantee your work NOT to rust out?" I replied: "Did the factory?"


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THAT is funny !

Pretty sure my car was guaranteed against rust. I keep asking around for direction, but
just can't seem to find the DeSoto dealership to bring it back to, to ask about the warranty.
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Posted 2011-01-16 12:59 PM (#257209 - in reply to #257174)
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Doctor DeSoto - 2011-01-16 6:44 AM

dukeboy - 2011-01-16 9:40 PM
I actually hadda guy ask me one time after I welded a few patch panels and haden't even filled
the panels yet, "Do you guarantee your work NOT to rust out?" I replied: "Did the factory?"


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THAT is funny !

Pretty sure my car was guaranteed against rust. I keep asking around for direction, but
just can't seem to find the DeSoto dealership to bring it back to, to ask about the warranty.



Thats the best reply ever!! LOL!!!!!!
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Posted 2012-01-16 6:53 PM (#304009 - in reply to #257209)
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Well, it seems like a good day to revive this old thread. Has anyone out there seen this Dodge lately? I tried to get Covercraft to donate a car cover to the Civil Rights Museum, but I don't think they did. Bummer.
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Posted 2012-01-16 11:23 PM (#304053 - in reply to #304009)
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Bank of America has taken on sponsorship of the two cars on site. They appear to be in good shape.

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Posted 2012-01-17 10:39 PM (#304194 - in reply to #77598)
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The only way to really protect these cars would be a plexi-glass case to keep the rain and snow off with some ventilation fans,! And still be able to view the display. Thats my 2 cents! HAPPY MOTORING! Victor.
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Posted 2013-01-22 11:24 AM (#356277 - in reply to #304194)
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Anyone seen the Dodge recently?
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Posted 2013-01-22 2:11 PM (#356301 - in reply to #356277)
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Yep. Still looks good. B of A is still sponsoring it I believe. The museum is undergoing a major renovation over the next couple of years so it may have to be displaced for a bit but this is just conjecture on my part.

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Posted 2014-01-14 3:23 PM (#422061 - in reply to #356301)
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It looks like the museum could use that little piece of elbow trim on the passenger side fin - if anybody has a spare.

I don't have much 1959 Dodge stuff, but I sent them everything I had and wrote it off as a tax deduction. I think they may have used the trunk block letters I sent and perhaps one or two of the lenses and bezels I sent in.

I am always on the look-out for an inexpensive set of wheelcovers I could send them too.

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Posted 2014-01-14 10:07 PM (#422132 - in reply to #77598)
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I didn't notice this "SIGN" as I had the wrecker driver to come around me so I could take a picture of my "59" on the roll back.



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Posted 2014-08-26 8:10 PM (#454292 - in reply to #77598)
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Who owned the dodge and the Cadillac? My advice is use good wax on both cars

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Posted 2014-08-27 2:06 AM (#454317 - in reply to #77598)
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'Talk' about improved quality control, post-57; check out the body panel alignments and lack of rusting on Dorsey's 59.


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Posted 2018-01-15 9:06 AM (#556276 - in reply to #454317)
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A renewed reflection on Dr. King and his amazing civil rights accomplishments today! Happy MLK day.

Is there any new news about the '59 Dodge? Is it slowly fading back to its former state?
I have never seen it in person, but I would like to.

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Posted 2018-01-20 1:05 AM (#556597 - in reply to #556276)
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Mike, I was there about a year ago but just found one picture of it on my computer



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Posted 2018-01-20 9:09 AM (#556608 - in reply to #77598)
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My stepson took some PICs of it late 2017, I will ask him for copies, from memory its looking a little sorry for its self, i am sure a drivers side trim had fell off ..

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Posted 2018-01-20 2:02 PM (#556620 - in reply to #556608)
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darn, it wasnt my stepson who went to memphis , it was one of my mates,, darn memory is going HAHAHA

These were taken October 2017

Note the drivers door trim..



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Posted 2018-01-20 2:05 PM (#556621 - in reply to #77598)
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Actually it know looks like the Camera angle shows it missing, on this larger photo i am now sure that it is indeed all on...
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Posted 2018-01-20 11:08 PM (#556644 - in reply to #556621)
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Clive, thanks for the images. That doesn't look too bad!
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