57 Custom Royal - Some Vintage Views
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Posted 2007-05-19 1:11 PM (#83494)
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Hi All - We're putting together a photo album of the old Dodge to take down to Tulsa with us. Mom gave us a box of old slides to go through, and we had any with a vehicle put on disc. I'd like to share the best here, in case we don't see you on the road. ;).......This is my Dad with the 55 Regent the Custom Royal replaced. It was apparently a lemon. The first day it rained, they came out and found the headliner soaked and hanging; and it was constantly in the shop thereafter.



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Posted 2007-05-19 1:15 PM (#83495 - in reply to #83494)
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"Roughing it" at Clear Lake Manitoba in one of a series of Dad's home made campers.



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Posted 2007-05-19 1:16 PM (#83496 - in reply to #83494)
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A year or two later.



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Posted 2007-05-19 1:20 PM (#83497 - in reply to #83494)
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My Mom and a cousin. Portage la Prairie, Manitoba.



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Posted 2007-05-19 1:22 PM (#83498 - in reply to #83494)
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Very cool pictures, it's nice to see some up close color pictures of real life, when these cars were on the road.
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Posted 2007-05-19 1:44 PM (#83499 - in reply to #83494)
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Thanks! Good thing the slides were kept boxed, they haven't faded much.......I think this one could be out of a National Geographic or Life magazine of the day.



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Posted 2007-05-19 1:49 PM (#83500 - in reply to #83494)
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These would've been taken in Alonsa, Manitoba. My Grandma's brother owned a store there.



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Posted 2007-05-19 1:54 PM (#83501 - in reply to #83494)
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This was 1958. My aunt scanned her B & W snaps of the same camping trip for me, and they were dated.



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Posted 2007-05-19 2:03 PM (#83505 - in reply to #83494)
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My Grandparents' farm. Some old vehicle in back. I think I remember it still there about '69 or '70.



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Posted 2007-05-19 2:10 PM (#83507 - in reply to #83494)
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Another Dodge, circa. 1963.



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Posted 2007-05-19 2:12 PM (#83508 - in reply to #83494)
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I am not clear, do you still own this 57?
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Posted 2007-05-19 2:17 PM (#83510 - in reply to #83494)
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An uncle's Ch**y wasn't bad either. lol



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Posted 2007-05-19 2:20 PM (#83511 - in reply to #83508)
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5859 - 2007-05-19 2:12 PM

I am not clear, do you still own this 57?
Yes. Here it is June last year. - Cheers, Rob



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Posted 2007-05-19 2:34 PM (#83516 - in reply to #83494)
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WOW! That's pretty luck to still have an original family owner car! Looks great!
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Posted 2007-05-19 4:03 PM (#83521 - in reply to #83516)
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Posted 2007-05-19 4:26 PM (#83525 - in reply to #83521)
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Yes. That's the joke.
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Posted 2007-05-19 6:45 PM (#83535 - in reply to #83494)
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Rob,super car you've got,unusual being 3-tone paint on a '57 Dodge.
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Posted 2007-05-19 10:22 PM (#83553 - in reply to #83494)
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Great shots. May I ask -- what brand and model scanner did you use to scan the slides? It does the job very well.
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Posted 2007-05-20 12:10 AM (#83560 - in reply to #83494)
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Thanks for your responses...........My58dodge: We had them done at Black's Photo here. I've just uploaded the pix from their CD.
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Posted 2007-05-20 2:56 AM (#83571 - in reply to #83560)
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Period photos like this thrill me. The clothes, the faces, all the little details that were "that time". It wasn't just the cars that were cool. I don't really know how to describe it. It was a feeling. Innocence ? Optimism ?

The ladies sure did like to fling themselves into a pose around that car, didn't they ? !!!

I sure would love to find family photos like this of my car.

Thanks for sharing. You made my day.

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Posted 2007-05-20 10:55 AM (#83585 - in reply to #83494)
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If I'm not mistaken, your uncle's "Ch3vy" is a 61 model. I wonder what Tom McCahill would have said about GM build quality if that barge was flung around the track like the others in his torture test film? :laugh: 

Cool that you still have your family's 1957 Dodge after all this time. And it's still looking good too. I'll bet you had to put some time and effort into the body though to keep it looking so good.



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Posted 2007-05-20 1:25 PM (#83590 - in reply to #83571)
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Doctor DeSoto - 2007-05-20 2:56 AM

Period photos like this thrill me. The clothes, the faces, all the little details that were "that time". It wasn't just the cars that were cool. I don't really know how to describe it. It was a feeling. Innocence ? Optimism ?

The ladies sure did like to fling themselves into a pose around that car, didn't they ? !!!

I sure would love to find family photos like this of my car.

Thanks for sharing. You made my day.

B.
I'm glad to have done it then, and you've put into words how I felt when I first saw the slides! That era is gone, like most of the cars, and it's only images like this that are left for us that came later. You're right about the innocence and optimism of the time. It's surprising when you realize that my parents' generation grew up during the "Dirty 30's" and became adults just in time for a World War. - Rob
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Posted 2007-05-20 1:37 PM (#83591 - in reply to #83585)
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58 DESOTOS RULE - 2007-05-20 10:55 AM

If I'm not mistaken, your uncle's "Ch3vy" is a 61 model. I wonder what Tom McCahill would have said about GM build quality if that barge was flung around the track like the others in his torture test film?

Cool that you still have your family's 1957 Dodge after all this time. And it's still looking good too. I'll bet you had to put some time and effort into the body though to keep it looking so good.

An older cousin remembers all the kids piling into that Caddy for a ride around the farmyard. I don't remember it myself; my uncle had moved to California by the time I showed up. My mom says he sent it to the wrecker!...........The Custom Royal was our family car until at least 1977. By then the rockers and eyebrows were gone and the engine was tired. Dad spent the next decade rebuilding it, switched front fenders, and had a friend's son do the bodywork and paint. It hit the road again in '88, and Dad gave the car to me on my 30th birthday in '95.
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Posted 2007-05-20 3:11 PM (#83600 - in reply to #83494)
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These vintage photos are great, I would also like to see some more pictures of your Custom Royal, maybe some front views, and some interior shots, when it is conveinant. Also, I'd like to hear a little more about what made your parents decide to keep it so long, was it their favorite car? ect.

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Posted 2007-05-20 3:57 PM (#83602 - in reply to #83494)
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More from Last June. There was a lot of Cottonwood fluff blowing around, sorry.



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Posted 2007-05-20 4:07 PM (#83603 - in reply to #83494)
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Posted 2007-05-20 4:12 PM (#83604 - in reply to #83494)
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Posted 2007-05-20 4:19 PM (#83606 - in reply to #83494)
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Posted 2007-05-20 4:38 PM (#83610 - in reply to #83494)
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I don't have any interior photos at the moment, 5859. This'll give you the colour at least.



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Posted 2007-05-20 5:33 PM (#83617 - in reply to #83600)
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5859 - 2007-05-20 3:11 PM

.......I'd like to hear a little more about what made your parents decide to keep it so long, was it their favorite car? ect.
...................I think it's because they settled in a small town in 63 and started their own business after more than a decade of working construction jobs (I think they moved 7 times one year!). Didn't need a car to get groceries, mail, etc. because we lived on main street and every store was half a block away. Dad wore this panel wagon out around 69 and used vans afterwards, so the Custom Royal was largely a pleasure vehicle. A lot of my old friends from childhood hockey & baseball who went to games out of town in the Custom Royal still refer to it as the "Pauchmobile".



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Posted 2007-05-20 5:37 PM (#83620 - in reply to #83494)
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Dad was still taking it Elk hunting in '77.



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Posted 2007-05-20 5:47 PM (#83623 - in reply to #83600)
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5859 - 2007-05-20 3:11 PM

............I'd like to hear a little more about what made your parents decide to keep it so long, was it their favorite car? ect.
.......Or, maybe we just don't like getting rid of stuff.........I still have the panel truck, too. lol



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Posted 2007-05-20 10:29 PM (#83649 - in reply to #83494)
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Wow, That is some of the Best IMO that I have seen. I love the family History!!!!
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Posted 2007-05-21 2:26 AM (#83668 - in reply to #83494)
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In case everyone is not aware of this, Canadian CRL's received the U.S. Royal-model's interior, and Canadian CRL's did come with 3-tome paint schemes.

Rob's hood reallly aligns/fits very well.

It's trunk aligns/fits about as well as my car, but his car's trunk stays UP!!

Rob, you don't have any pics of your dad's restoration, of it?






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Posted 2007-05-21 10:03 AM (#83683 - in reply to #83668)
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In case everyone is not aware of this, Canadian CRL's received the U.S. Royal-model's interior.



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I've asked this before, but never get a satisfactory answer ...

Why did U.S. auto makers sell upgraded badges and downgraded equipment / models to non-U.S. markets like this ?

Did a Canadian buyer such as this get a mid-level Royal interior for the same price a U.S. buyer got the top-line Custom Royal interior down in the States ?

It seems to me that U.S. mfr's. took every opportuinity to sell non-U.S. markets sub-par products. The "Custom Royal" badge suggests to me that they were selling this one as a full-blown equivilent to any Custom Royal a person could buy south of the 49th, yet you say they got a lesser Royal interior for the money.

Did they pay less for this hybrid mix up north, or was Dodge intentionally shortchanging Canadians thinking they'd never know the difference ?

And then there is the whole Plodge concept !

Somebody in the know, ... just tell me it was a scam to sell less car for more money and this will all make sense. The answer I have been gieven so far is that Canadians like having a unique model/s. This *might* fly if they weren't ALWAYS a downgraded model. Methinks sumpin's fishy goin on here !

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Posted 2007-05-21 3:27 PM (#83737 - in reply to #83668)
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d500neil - 2007-05-21 2:26 AM

In case everyone is not aware of this, Canadian CRL's received the U.S. Royal-model's interior, and Canadian CRL's did come with 3-tome paint schemes.

Rob's hood reallly aligns/fits very well.

It's trunk aligns/fits about as well as my car, but his car's trunk stays UP!!

Rob, you don't have any pics of your dad's restoration, of it?






Thank you for that info; I didn't know that. I have been told the Canadian engine was slightly different in stroke than the U.S.. They said the reason was much like what Doctor Desoto mentioned; just to be different........Funny you mention the hood fit. Dad took it for a ride in the early 90's with the hood not closed properly. It flew open at 45 MPH, and bent the hinges, which he replaced. Lucky he didn't take out the windshield, or himself. I don't think it fits as good as it did before..............All I've found for restoration pix are a few circa. 1981 to 83, when the fenders had been switched but the car hadn't been repainted yet. You can't really see it here, but my biggest complaint about the job was that they didn't even completely primer the replacement fenders before repainting the car! Their original blue is plain to see when the hood is up. Looks horrible, IMO.



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Posted 2007-05-21 3:34 PM (#83741 - in reply to #83494)
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You can see how faded the red was by this time..........At one point in the 50's they were living in Dryden, Ontario, and the smokestacks from the mills put out so much material, they would wash and cover the car every night!.........There's my first car on the left.



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Posted 2007-05-21 3:37 PM (#83742 - in reply to #83494)
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A 59 Custom Royal 4dr. with the 383.



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Posted 2007-05-21 3:47 PM (#83744 - in reply to #83494)
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And the hulk of one nearly identical.



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Posted 2007-05-21 4:04 PM (#83747 - in reply to #83494)
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I parked both the 59's on my grandparents' farm after losing reverse gear on the driver. By that time, an uncle was the absentee landowner, and rented out the farmhouse. One day the tenant decided to clear the ditch along the highway by burning it. The fire got away on him, burnt along a tree line away from the highway, and soon as it cleared that, went for my poor 59 like it had eyes! Torched the car, and melted some aluminum roofing off the barn beside it! Of course, the non-running car is untouched about 30 feet to the left here.

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As for those Canadian hybrids - I remember reading somewhere that all that was needed, becouse there were special charges for import of non-Canadian version of the same brand, and the Plodges were easy to identify as being "local". Maybe those tricks with interiors were also used for easy track-down of imported versions, when at least the top models were looking like U.S. versions.
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I could look-it-up, but the info's @ my home. I'm pretty-sure that 57 CAN CRL's did not receive the U.S. 325 c.i. engines; The Mayfairs
and the other-model (Del Ray?) had 301 c.i. engines, IIRC.

You know, looking at your door trim panel, the cloth-portion is NOT :"Linear Lucidity" , which was installed on 57 U.S. Royals.

I don't know what the Canadian name was, for that upholstery-pattern, but it probably appears on one or more of the CAN
brochures that I have.

I know that "legally", the CAN & U.S. car-models were supposed to be different.

As there was no upholstery-pattern higher than the U.S. CRL, the factory decided, rationally-enough, to put the next-best
cloth into the CAN CRL's.

In 1958, the CAN CRL's got the 354 Poly engine, witha 4-barrel engine.

The 58 U.S. CRL's got the New-for-58 350 or 360 Wedge engines.






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Posted 2007-05-21 8:04 PM (#83793 - in reply to #83494)
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That's a pretty hard blow to have had that car burned up like that, and like you said, it just had to be the driver, and not the parts car.
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Posted 2007-05-21 8:33 PM (#83800 - in reply to #83494)
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Neil,thanks for the information,but this is the first '57 Custom Royal i've seen with 3 -tone paint scheme,my dads '57 Custom Royal was Canadian but was only 2-tone and had 325ci engine.Del Rays were Chevrolets(150s)i believe.The Canadian Dodges I saw in Ontario were Mayfairs,Regents and Crusaders.The ones i've seen in Europe were Kingsways/Kingsway Customs.
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d500neil - 2007-05-21 3:41 PM I could look-it-up, but the info's @ my home. I'm pretty-sure that 57 CAN CRL's did not receive the U.S. 325 c.i. engines; The Mayfairs and the other-model (Del Ray?) had 301 c.i. engines, IIRC. You know, looking at your door trim panel, the cloth-portion is NOT :"Linear Lucidity" , which was installed on 57 U.S. Royals. I don't know what the Canadian name was, for that upholstery-pattern, but it probably appears on one or more of the CAN brochures that I have. I know that "legally", the CAN & U.S. car-models were supposed to be different. As there was no upholstery-pattern higher than the U.S. CRL, the factory decided, rationally-enough, to put the next-best cloth into the CAN CRL's. In 1958, the CAN CRL's got the 354 Poly engine, witha 4-barrel engine. The 58 U.S. CRL's got the New-for-58 350 or 360 Wedge engines.

 Neil, I know you are the 57 Dodge expert but do you know as much on the 58's ?  My first car was a 58 Custom Royal, don't know if it was a Canadian or US built car, but the upholstery was US type and it had a B wedge engine with a 2 barrel carb.   It was also a Spring SPecial with the extra trim.  At the same time I owned it another guy on my street also had a 58 CR that had the same upholstery US style and a " B" engine and 2 barrel carb.   At the time I didn't know about spring specials so we wondered why mine had more trim than his.   What would be the chances of finding two US built CRs on the same street the same year in a medium sized Canadian city ?   What  I am saying is if these were Canadian built cars they were identical to the US versions.    I got that car back in 1974 and have been wondering for all these years where it was built. 

 

 



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Now I ask you, what other car looks like it is going 60 mph just
standing still !!!!!!! And the sun glinting off of the chrome and paint
looks like it was air brushed on there. Perfect picture !!!!!!!


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Posted 2007-05-22 7:36 PM (#83930 - in reply to #83620)
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Red Ram - 2007-05-20 2:37 PM Dad was still taking it Elk hunting in '77.

For a car living in the rust belt,  it fared well for the 20 years. 

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Thanks for all the kind comments and the car information you've shared! I've passed it on to my Mom, who's now 83, and it's really made her day. Several days, for that matter. It was her that fell in love with the car, and her coaxing and assurances that she'd do without are what prompted Dad to buy it. They were living in Brandon, Manitoba at the time, and were friends with one of the salesmen from the Chrysler dealership there. The car was a Demo, and Mom would tell the salesman to drive it over for their frequent card games so Dad could see it sitting in the driveway. I guess it worked.
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Now I ask you, what other car looks like it is going 60 mph just
standing still !!!!!!! And the sun glinting off of the chrome and paint
looks like it was air brushed on there. Perfect picture !!!!!!!
........................Thanks very much! I was lucky to find an exhaust manifold for it 2 weeks ago, and emailed the seller the photo of the car taken from the other side. His exact reply: "It looks like it's doing 60 MPH just sitting there." =:4)
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This is a 57 CR that some Yahoos lit on fire and pushed over a ravine in the 1960's near my hometown. The motor must've been done, as there are pieces of the heads in the trunk. Dad and I used to sneak down the slope and take off parts; even the aluminum power steering housing although the fire had melted it.



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Hey, Rob; at your earliest convenience, you could have a good auto-mechanical shop lower the torsion bar's ride height, a tad.

The car looks to be sitting very nicely, on its rear leaf springs.

Hi, Ian; the 58 CRL's should have had a 4-bbl carb, with the new-4-58 350c.i. wedge-engine (along with dual exhausts).

In Re: Spring Specials, the introductory literature specify that S.-S.'s were being built, OEM, that a car could be factory-ORDERED, with varying extents of the S.-S. trim-items, and/or , that any OF the S.-S. trim items could be DEALER installed!!

The specific S.-S. trim were the grille-emblem, PAINTED headlightbezels (two-three existing S.-S. cars are known to have this very-rare
item, on them; dunno why most S.-S.'s had regular headlight bezels, except, that the special-painted ones MUST have been expensive,
to produce)...., then there's the distinctive WIDE side-trim, the end-of-fin 'triangle', and, then, there is the rear license plate "Escutcheon".

In addition to the distinctive chrome/potmetal pieces, there were three unique S.-S. body colors: Poppy Red (R") , Frosted Turquoise ("J")
and Paris Rose ("T").

SO, a (factory) Spring Special could have ANY combination of the above color(s) and trim, depending upon how the fatory jobber
felt about a particular car, or depending upon how a special-ordering customer wanted his car to appear.

SO (ii) all Spring Special COLORED cars are 'real' S.S.'s , but, for any car NOT painted in the three official colors, they can STILL
be legitimate "factory" S.-S. cars, if they were special-ordered in a common-color, but having some/all of the S.-S. trim!

Then: there are the DEALER-installed S.-S. trim cars (WHAT are they, officially? I dunno)

Then: there are the cars where an owner bought some/all of the trim, & stuck it on HIS car, hisself!

Ah, ya gota LOVE the Spring-Special cars! (that, & go FIND the car's Broadcast Sheet, or, go BUY a copy of its factory IBM Build card!)








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A sad end to a classic.......About five years ago, I realized I knew the landowner. He said he had forgotten the wreck was there, and to go ahead and take whatever I wanted. I clipped down a bunch of saplings, put the transmission in a wheelbarrow, and pushed it out to a road at the bottom about 150 yards from the car. It still had a piece of rotten rope tied to it from where a friend and I tried to drag it up the slope 20 years ago without any luck!.....The bumper chrome on it is in better condition than my car! Unfortunately, they dinged it up good pushing it with another vehicle. - Rob



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Hey, Rob! that bumper's worth some BUX!!!!

That fin-trim would be hard to reach (why it's still THERE!, huh) unless you can get inside the trunk, but, that fin-plate is anodized
aluminum! , and, the end-of-fin can be sucessfully re-chromed (no fine-detail to lose).

You might also check to see if this is a CRL; if so, it will have a VALUABLE front end SWAY BAR---be sure to try to cut-out
the frame's sway-bar brackets, if at all possible; if not, well, that's OK....




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Thanks for the advice Neil!........The rear end has sat a little low since we put a dual exhaust on it 5 years ago. The guy who's going over it for us at the moment has suggested some coil-over shocks. Another person, air shocks. I've contacted a spring outfit in the city, and they say they could re-arc and refurbish the leaf springs. I'm not sure what we can do before leaving for Tulsa in less than 3 weeks now................I intend to go out to the wrecked car this summer with a nut splitter and take the bumper. I will look at the other parts you've mentioned. I'm pretty sure we took the name plates off, and they were Custom Royal. - Rob
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Rob, if you are driving that CRL to Tulsa, you should get its T/bars lowered (for better handling, but, you will need to have the front end be realigned, too.

The rear springs look to be OK; I've written to say that guys should, just-simply, score a set of (late 50's-mid 60's) stationwagon springs, and RE-use
your car's long-leafs, while "stacking" a mixture of the S/W leafs, along with your car's leafs, to obtain a custom fit/ride.

I did that, with a set of 1962 CHRY S/W leaf springs; got 5-full leafs on my car (yours has 4 1/2 leafs, OEM) now, and it sits "up"
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Here's the first time the CR hit the road again after the rebuild, the 1988 wedding of some friends from school, back in Brandon, MB. I've just found out that the groomsman second from right here has since died in a SCUBA accident in Clear Lake; coincidentally where the old camping pix above were taken.



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Another in 2003. The mayor's daughter.



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Posted 2007-05-23 1:59 PM (#84012 - in reply to #83494)
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The groom is a Mopar fan, his Monaco is at right. About an hour before the wedding, we got hit with a blinding downpour and I watched in horror as it turned to hail! Not a mark on the car, though.



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Posted 2007-05-25 2:06 PM (#84195 - in reply to #83602)
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Wow, Rob! Those photos (past and present) are wonderful. The Dodge looks like it hasn't aged a day! It's just too bad that the people can't survive the ravages of time in the same way (ha, ha - I don't know whether that would be a blessing or a curse). Thanks for sharing those.

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Thank you Mike........Would you believe I spoke on the phone yesterday with the salesman they bought the Custom Royal from? It took all of 2 phone calls! He is 87, and in the same city as 50 years ago! He sold nothing but Chrysler until he was 75, including a couple of years in the town where I live now. Pretty amazing!
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5859 - 2007-05-21 8:04 PM

That's a pretty hard blow to have had that car burned up like that, and like you said, it just had to be the driver, and not the parts car.
Yeah, a real bad day, and the problems went on and on. We lost 2 engines and a transmission out of a locked shed there, as well.
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Hmmp, 'you' just don't go-out, and pick up a couple engines, and cast-iron transmission!!

Somebody put a "hit" out, on your stash!

I wonder what their intended purpose was, in stealing them?

Any knowledgeable rodder (robber) would know that the things would require rebuilding, to be made serviceable, and, where
do they STORE them, after they've got them, and how do they keep the news, of their new acquisions, secret??

One would think that, anyone adept in engine rebuilding would not be the sort of person who would go out & steal his own
"inventory", and, that that person would look askance at someone else, just showing-up with an "engine-and-a-story", and
not wonder about how the guy reallly got that engine/trans.


What kind/size of motors were they? And, who knew about their presence, in that shed (and, who also, apparently knew
that no one would bother/observe them, as they hoisted the pieces, into their nearby truck???)





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In case anyone noticed, I think I've solved the mystery of the disappearing radio antenna. Although my Mom doesn't recall the car not having a radio, I'm pretty sure they bought it without and installed one later. So, the photos without an antenna are the earliest of the car, and predate the 1958 camping trip where the antenna is in place just in front of the driver's rear view mirror. When they changed the fenders, the new ones had the antenna hole on the passenger side, where it is now........The salesman remembers the dealership often installing antennas on the driver's side, and thinks he sold it without a radio. Also, that he sold more Tri-Tone cars than this one in '57. - Rob



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What kind/size of motors were they? And, who knew about their presence, in that shed (and, who also, apparently knew
that no one would bother/observe them, as they hoisted the pieces, into their nearby truck???)

The 383 from the 59 parts car, and another 325 Poly & trans for the 57. ......Thief had all the time in the world. *Cough*tenant*Cough*......Instead of prying the hasp off the front door, they dismantled the back wall, took the stuff, and nailed the boards back on with new, galvanized nails! I believe in an attempt to make it look done by someone with a key to the shed.
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Here's one of my aunt's snapshots from that 1958 campout.



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Posted 2007-05-25 4:28 PM (#84213 - in reply to #83602)
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The vintage photos are very cool! Looks like you had someone in the family that knew a little about photography and was able to get close to the subject. I'll bet that the slides were Kodachrome, which had very stable color dyes. If they were any other brand, including Kodak Ektachrome, those images would be all but gone.
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Good call ronbo. They're Kodachrome, and were stored in magazines for an automatic slide projector.



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Posted 2007-05-25 9:21 PM (#84241 - in reply to #83494)
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And, to further prove I don't get rid of much,.....here's the camera that took the photos. You can see Mom holding the case for it in the photo with the little girl. I think they got it from my uncle with the Cadillac after he upgraded it!



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Bummer, to hear about Eckta-plasm film; Ron! I took predominently Eckta-photos, in the 60's.

That's a major-Kool camara; kinda like a Leica, on Steroids!!!!





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Their 40th anniversary. Hard to believe this was 17 years ago.



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Posted 2007-05-31 5:52 PM (#84771 - in reply to #83494)
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Rob, SMS makes/sells upholstery cloth for your car; it looks to have gray-colored "Linear Lucidity" 1957 Royal upholstery.
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Thank you Neil, I will certainly look into it. Dad recovered the front seat, but not the back one. It's had the same Leopard (or Cheetah?) skin blanket on it since I was a child!
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SMS sells the correct colored/patterned vinyl, correct black seat-beading, upholstery cloth, and should be able to reproduce
the heat-embossed center-sections, too.

You can take your car to your area's best upholstery shop, & they can tell you if they can re-use the embossed center sections, or not.

Here's a MAJOR clue:

SMS's vinyl is NOT as thick/reinforced/durable as the OEM vinyl (check out the OEM "Pellon"-reinforced vinyl, versus the un-lined
materail, from SMS.

Because the MOST wear, to the vinyl bolsters occurs at the LOWER/OUTER areas (because of seat compression, every time someone sits in the car)
and, also, on the outer-horizontal sections, THOSE area-sections should have RESIDUAL OEM vinyl be installed (typically, from perfect-condition
vinyl, found on the lower seat backs).

The upper seat-backs get the most wear, to the upholstery, where it adjoins to the vinyl, so, SMS vinyl can be used on the upper seat backs.

In my 27 year custodianship, I have had to replace the outer/lower seat vinyl twice, due to compression-failure/cracking, from
getting into the driver's seat.

I also have had my upholstery shop install clear plastic vinyl seat-covers, over the redone upholstery. I recommend that
procedure, for anyone who uses his car regularly. Think of it as being a condom, for your car: you DO get used to it (eventually),
but ALWAYS appreciate the protection it affords, from you, and from any other careless person who "falls" into it!!!






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Posted 2007-06-02 5:32 PM (#84903 - in reply to #83494)
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Went out to the wrecked 57 yesterday for the first time in 5 years or so. Had fun finding and getting to it! Been enough Black Bear incidents here lately to get you thinking, too.....The front end has sunk further toward the stream, which is right beside it. A friend has offered to help take some more off it when the leaves drop. He says we should just take a torch and cut the bumper, etc., off...If anyone wants some more sad photos, PM or email me, and I'll send you a 7.6 Mb zip file with about two dozen pix. - Rob



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Hey, believe it or not: those gas tank straps are valuable, as are the spring assemblies.

You could torch off the license plate trim; looks like the lock is gone.

Heck, even the gas tank is nicer than the one that Johnny Rosen has been trying to sell on Epay!





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A few more of the old slides..................A fishing trip with the last camper Dad made.



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North end P la P.



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Cheers!........See you in Tulsa. - Rob



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For me personally, this post has been one of the best trips down memory lane that I have seen on this board in a long time..Thankyou Rob..
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Hi All - Been a long time!......I have a new computer and it`s taken me this long to find this thread again. I thought I`d add some more of the old slides.......Here`s the 55 Regent again, along with the big catch of the day. :P - Rob



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A picnic, but notice the tackle box.....Always ready to fish!



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This is supercool photos! Really enjoyable Thanks for posting them
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I 'm digging it daddy-o !!! Looks like it just blasted its way rt. out of 57!!!!Very Nice Car!!
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What a great tribute to your Dad and family! Having the car is just the icing on the cake. Great photo album!!
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thank you for preserving such a beautiful fl car! 51 years! think of all that happens in that time! and you had

your own 1959... wow and one kids threw off a embankment in the 60's - its still there!!!! you even have your

dads 1963 dodge panel truck! "town panel" it said. strictly a dodge family at heart!!! a electrician by trade..

did you follow in his footsteps.....?

thanks for rekindling memories to us all!!! restore the truck , too - it doesnt look too bad..., paint is a little

dull...

thanks! you took us all back in time..
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The Caddy is a 1960, Model 62 Convertible in Cad-speak...I love that car in the light metallic purple they had that year with white interior..yowza!!
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Posted 2008-01-30 8:44 PM (#112932 - in reply to #83494)
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So, Rob, you said, somewhere, that you're thinking about selling the car?
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Posted 2008-02-24 1:18 PM (#116597 - in reply to #112932)
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d500neil - 2008-01-30 8:44 PM

So, Rob, you said, somewhere, that you're thinking about selling the car?
Why yes, I am........(Not!) :P



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Posted 2008-02-24 1:38 PM (#116602 - in reply to #83494)
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Mom with a neighbour in Selkirk, MB. A single mother who asked her to be in the delivery room, then LOST HER MARBLES delivering and ripped Mom's blouse!



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Posted 2008-02-24 1:54 PM (#116606 - in reply to #83494)
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Thanks to all who've enjoyed these and responded...............This is Uncle Steve, who was a gun & antique collector/dealer extraordinaire.



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Posted 2008-02-24 1:59 PM (#116607 - in reply to #83494)
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1958 again.



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Posted 2008-02-24 2:03 PM (#116608 - in reply to #116606)
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Outside of some rather unflattering bathing suit designs, those folks of old sure did know how to dress ! Mom, with the big, furry black hat looks like she dressed to match the car ! Good stuff, Amigo. Thanks for posting.
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Posted 2008-02-24 5:58 PM (#116645 - in reply to #83494)
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Funny you should mention that! Here are pix from Nov. 07 I was planning on posting next. The "original owner".........



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Posted 2008-02-24 6:07 PM (#116650 - in reply to #83494)
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........along with the salesman that sold her the car in '57! He lives in the same town, where he sold Chryslers until he was 75. Great guy and a WW2 RCAF veteran.



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Posted 2008-02-25 1:45 PM (#116747 - in reply to #83494)
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Wow, great pics! Especially nice to see the new ones and compare to the old ones. Thats real history and makes one understand how the car has been part of the everyday life of the family. Would be great once when I'm old, to post some pics on the forum and show everyone how it was when I was young, succesfull with ladies, hansom, intelligent... Sorry I'm dreaming again, but really would be great to own something for such a long time. The Dodge looks absolutely great!

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Posted 2008-03-08 4:09 PM (#118948 - in reply to #83494)
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Thanks again!.......I've had another group of the old slides converted, and there's a few more Mopar pix among them.......I believe this is Dad's 48 Chrysler that preceded the 55 Regent. Possibly taken in Dryden, Ontario.



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Posted 2008-03-08 4:18 PM (#118952 - in reply to #83494)
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I'm told this is a different one my Grandfather owned. Nicknamed "The Bull Moose". *Note the old-time glass frost shields on the windshield!



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Posted 2008-03-08 4:27 PM (#118953 - in reply to #83494)
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Regent again.



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Posted 2008-03-08 4:30 PM (#118954 - in reply to #83494)
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More countryside fun.



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Posted 2008-03-08 4:32 PM (#118956 - in reply to #83494)
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1960 shots of a cousin's Belvedere.



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Posted 2008-03-08 4:36 PM (#118958 - in reply to #83494)
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Always strange to see my Dad with a smoke. He'd quit by the time I showed up.



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Posted 2008-03-08 4:39 PM (#118959 - in reply to #83494)
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Posted 2008-03-08 4:40 PM (#118960 - in reply to #83494)
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