Buried Belvedere is being dug up!
57burb
Posted 2007-06-12 4:22 PM (#85852)
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..as we speak.

Here's a few pics for you all- http://www.tulsaCh**ys.com/Images/buriedcar/index.html

Son of a gun - this stupid Chev -y blocker thing on the site has screwed up the hyperlink. So just edit it to say the word that you know is there...

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Posted 2007-06-12 4:38 PM (#85855 - in reply to #85852)
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GREAT batch of pics!
Thank You,, from those of us that couldn't be there.

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Posted 2007-06-12 5:56 PM (#85860 - in reply to #85852)
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HOLY COW, Danny!  I feel like I'm there.  Thanks for the link.  (Remember my prediction - Jimmy Hoffa will be found in Ms. Belvie's trunk.)
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Posted 2007-06-12 6:36 PM (#85861 - in reply to #85852)
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Posted 2007-06-12 7:05 PM (#85865 - in reply to #85852)
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Nice link to all the pics.  I guess tomorrow the Tulsans are taking the lid off.  Maybe those pics will come up also.  I was going to leave Thursday morning but I think my wife is even excited.  We might leave tomorrow.  Maybe I can snap a pic of "Virgil" under wraps in the tomb.  I was thinking about buying a cowboy hat so I could fit in with the Okies, then I figured not.  Some sheepherder might grap my ass.
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Posted 2007-06-12 7:57 PM (#85871 - in reply to #85865)
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Posted 2007-06-13 6:48 AM (#85908 - in reply to #85852)
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TV news video of Tuesday's excavation:

http://www.kotv.com/e-clips/?id=6693
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Posted 2007-06-13 9:11 AM (#85915 - in reply to #85852)
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Video of the "Dig"

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Posted 2007-06-13 11:08 AM (#85922 - in reply to #85915)
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how cool is that! that music is link wray s RUMBLE!!!!! which belongs to my alltime favorites!
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Posted 2007-06-13 12:12 PM (#85925 - in reply to #85852)
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Is it just me or does it look like that thing has been under water more than a few times, judging by the many lines on the inside of the vault? If that is the car I see in the pics, I am very sad for it. Nonetheless, we are on our way to rainy Tulsa tomorrow a.m.

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Posted 2007-06-13 12:33 PM (#85927 - in reply to #85925)
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Car is sitting in water. It's going to be an absolute MESS. Hopefully something is salvagable.

Please look at the updated pics here ----> http://www.tulsaCh**ys.com/Images/buriedcar/index.html

(you know the routine with the EV in the address)

I'm just sick...



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Posted 2007-06-13 12:36 PM (#85929 - in reply to #85852)
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Coming from someone who believed the car would come out in pristine condition... after seeing the water level lines on the inside of the box, I'm afraid the car will look something like the Titanic when it's brought to the surface. What a bummer.

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Posted 2007-06-13 12:59 PM (#85932 - in reply to #85852)
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Guess we can all stop worrying about Boyd trying to start it.
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Posted 2007-06-13 1:47 PM (#85942 - in reply to #85852)
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In my town they recently pulled out a car from the river that was sitting at the bottom there since december 2006.
The car looked like new exept it was all wet of course. Apparently because no air got to it, the car did not rust out. I am not saying the tulsa car
will be pretty but I think it might not be all that bad either. Hope I am right...
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Posted 2007-06-13 1:50 PM (#85944 - in reply to #85852)
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HA! If Boyd can start THAT, I'll have a lot of respect for his abilities. It's too bad about the car. I hope it doesn't break in half when they lift it out. At least all of the stainless will be usable. Even in its current state, it would make a great museum display.

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Posted 2007-06-13 1:59 PM (#85947 - in reply to #85942)
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That baby will need a new interior, though, at the least!!!!!
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Posted 2007-06-13 2:09 PM (#85948 - in reply to #85942)
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sebastiaan58 - 2007-06-13 1:47 PM

In my town they recently pulled out a car from the river that was sitting at the bottom there since december 2006.
The car looked like new exept it was all wet of course. Apparently because no air got to it, the car did not rust out. I am not saying the tulsa car
will be pretty but I think it might not be all that bad either. Hope I am right...
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That's a little different though. The car in the river probably remained completely submerged all of the time. That vault, on the other hand, was put in the ground dry and now 50 years later looks like it has ten inches of water in it. If the vault wasn't water tight, it wouldn't be air tight either.
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Posted 2007-06-13 2:22 PM (#85951 - in reply to #85852)
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It looks like the car has been under water several times - probably each spring! It's not going to be pretty folks!
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Posted 2007-06-13 2:23 PM (#85952 - in reply to #85947)
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well, the only thing we know for sure at this point is that it wasn't dry. i hope it doesn't break in half, too.

however, in kansas city, they have a museum for the steamship arabia, which sank in 1858. they dug it up in 1988, and it is now the largest collection of pre-civil war merchandise in existence. it held the equivalent of about 200 semi-trailer loads. i didn't know they had rubber galoshes and buttons back then, but they did. even rubber combs. the reason the stuff held up so well is because it got absolutely no light or air exposure.

on the other hand, the arabia was in mostly sandy stuff, about 40 feet deep. this was in clay, near the surface.
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Posted 2007-06-13 2:33 PM (#85953 - in reply to #85948)
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That tide mark of the water line has got to be at least 18" high, and who knows, maybe it was even higher in the years that have passed since it was buried...FINGERS CROSSED !!!!
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Posted 2007-06-13 2:47 PM (#85954 - in reply to #85929)
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C-300, I was with you, I thought the car would be absolutely new. Guess that is the optimist in me. If the car is in bad shape, I at least hope the stuff in the trunk is at least savable, but looking at the lines on the walls, it looks like it may have been under lots of water.

Now, was it sealed in a bag, or just covered by that heavy plastic-type covering? If it was sealed, there is still hope!

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Posted 2007-06-13 2:49 PM (#85955 - in reply to #85852)
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Car is destroyed.

http://newsok.com/article/3065823

"Excavators found evidence that water could have been to the top of the vault at one point, said Art Couch, who is heading up the unearthing project."



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Posted 2007-06-13 3:19 PM (#85960 - in reply to #85955)
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your to pessimistic.

granted it does look bad. but the real time capsule is in the trunk of the car and sealed.

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Posted 2007-06-13 3:25 PM (#85962 - in reply to #85960)
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I don't think I can be "too" pessimistic about the condition of a car that's been in 8' of water for five decades.

Here's another news story.. this one says (and photos confirm) that water was above the roof of the car when the lid was removed. http://www.ktul.com/news/stories/0607/431074.html
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Posted 2007-06-13 3:34 PM (#85963 - in reply to #85962)
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the car was not the time capsule.

the time capsule is in a sealed oil drum in the trunk.
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Posted 2007-06-13 3:46 PM (#85965 - in reply to #85963)
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One thing's for sure - in its current state, that car is definately gonna suffer the dreaded "brake grabbing".
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Posted 2007-06-13 3:47 PM (#85966 - in reply to #85963)
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In the video attached to the news story 57burb posted, there's a great close-up shot of the 55 gallon drum of fuel. The condition of that drum should give you a pretty good idea of what the car looks like. Sad to say... I think that sediment on top of the trunk lid might be the trunk floor.

So sad.

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Posted 2007-06-13 5:09 PM (#85969 - in reply to #85852)
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What a crushing blow! I have been looking forward to this for at least 5 years now, and am feeling very let down. True the drum may have survived, but at the risk of sounding petty, I couldn't care less about the drum, I was hoping for an at least salvageable car. Mabeye with some luck, it won't be as bad as I think it is.
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Posted 2007-06-13 5:15 PM (#85970 - in reply to #85969)
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two days till we find out.
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Posted 2007-06-13 5:16 PM (#85971 - in reply to #85852)
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Does anyone think maybe, just maybe the bag retained it's integrity and kept water out of the actual car? Probably just wishful thinking at this point
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Posted 2007-06-13 5:18 PM (#85972 - in reply to #85969)
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I would hope so, but there's no telling. I had thought this event would make the value of these cars go up, but if that car is trashed, maybe not. Might just make more people think Plymouth = rustbucket.
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Posted 2007-06-13 5:24 PM (#85974 - in reply to #85971)
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it might have it might have not.

best to not worry about it. IMO.
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Posted 2007-06-13 5:25 PM (#85975 - in reply to #85969)
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If you ever build a vault, don't let anyone from Tulsa build it for you!!  LOL!!  I'm still going.  The fact remains about 3 things rust needs.  It got the moisture part.  Maybe the condom held out.  I hope that is just silt stains and not rust stains.  Ya think they will leave the prowler to rust away, or think, "Hey maybe we should put a drain in the bottom of that vault."  I'll bet they have to shake it off the back of the rollback.  It might still be in better shape than mine was!!  I got my fingers crossed about to head out.
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Posted 2007-06-13 5:26 PM (#85976 - in reply to #85972)
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spikemike - 2007-06-13 4:18 PM

I would hope so, but there's no telling. I had thought this event would make the value of these cars go up, but if that car is trashed, maybe not. Might just make more people think Plymouth = rustbucket.



i think anything standing in water for 50 years barring Stainless steel will be a rust bucket though i hope the bag held up. (though i realize its a long shot)
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Posted 2007-06-13 5:27 PM (#85977 - in reply to #85975)
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the prowler is in a alumium vault and its pressurized.



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Posted 2007-06-13 5:28 PM (#85978 - in reply to #85852)
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I think it is just the angle I am looking at the pictures, but in some of them, the roof appears to be collapsed, I guess if the car corroded enough it could happen.
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Posted 2007-06-13 5:31 PM (#85979 - in reply to #85978)
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i was talking with another guy online and he seems to see that as well. might be the angle though as you said.
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Posted 2007-06-13 5:33 PM (#85980 - in reply to #85852)
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maybe it's the sunroof.
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Posted 2007-06-13 5:36 PM (#85982 - in reply to #85852)
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pretty sure it didn't have a sunroof.
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Posted 2007-06-13 5:38 PM (#85983 - in reply to #85982)
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It might now.
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Posted 2007-06-13 5:39 PM (#85984 - in reply to #85982)
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Might be where it floated to the top and it's flattened. hahahaa
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Posted 2007-06-13 6:05 PM (#85987 - in reply to #85852)
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well bad news sports fans the fins have rust on em.
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Posted 2007-06-13 6:13 PM (#85989 - in reply to #85927)
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57burb - 2007-06-13 12:33 PM

Car is sitting in water. It's going to be an absolute MESS. Hopefully something is salvagable.

I'm just sick...


thats alot worse than what i expected! wtf, what were they thinking?! look at the ridicoulous ceiling! i thought it was cast in into steel concrete, air/water tight. they just layed someting on to that bathtub and it looks like they didn't even use a sealer! that's not a vault thats a coffin! the concrete workers must have been Ch**y people, my guess, since no one can be THAT stupid. a properly build vault with little more work would have remained air and water tight and the car would still look like brand new (unless the useless cosmoline damaged the rubber) i can't believe this. it probaly started to leak with day one.
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Posted 2007-06-13 6:27 PM (#85990 - in reply to #85989)
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I'll bet the old guys are happy as hell.  "I tried to tell them."  When I get there and see the layout of the place, I'll be able to see how smart they were.  I knew it was bad when they said the lid comes off in sections.  Maybe if it is wasted they will let people take pics of their nice cars next to the wasted one.  The vault of Nuclear Bomb proof but it wasn't Water Proof.  Jeez, wonder if Boyd and Leno are still going?
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Posted 2007-06-13 6:51 PM (#85993 - in reply to #85852)
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the bag didn't hold up. look at the driver's side fin. it's ripped wide open at the tip. what a shame.
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Posted 2007-06-13 6:59 PM (#85994 - in reply to #85852)
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What a shame. I looked at the the progressive pics and when I saw the water I felt ill. Looks to me like the bag didn't maintain its integrity. Reason being that unless the bag was vacuum sealed the trapped air would have formed a bubble in the bag as the water was being drained. It stuck to the car so that tells me she's history. Just a guess but oh well. I still think the car is valuable in it's own right. Who know's maybe she's restorable. If boyd offers to do it though I'd be a little concerned....Maybe Mel? Oh yeah that's right he'd biff the most valuable parts off it and sell the rusted shell for 10k...ha ha ha
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Posted 2007-06-13 7:07 PM (#85998 - in reply to #85852)
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Do you think anyone involved in the unearthing has peaked yet? I know I would have if I had a chance.
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Posted 2007-06-13 7:19 PM (#86002 - in reply to #85993)
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j.d. - 2007-06-13 5:51 PM

the bag didn't hold up. look at the driver's side fin. it's ripped wide open at the tip. what a shame.



yep.
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Posted 2007-06-13 7:31 PM (#86004 - in reply to #85852)
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Posted 2007-06-13 7:42 PM (#86006 - in reply to #85852)
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even if the car is solid[which in my opinion is probably destroyed]it probably has some serious mold problems
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Posted 2007-06-13 7:53 PM (#86009 - in reply to #85852)
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Obviously those people back in 1957 didn't know the first thing about building a basement. The first thing you do is install drainage around the outside and under the floor, so you don't get hydraulic pressure outside. Then you have some floor drains so any water that does get in can't stand there. The you water proof the outside, and provide a way for surface water to quickly drain down to your footing drains, not stand against your walls. With a bag, you do not provide a vacuum, you provide a pressurized inert atmosphere, like argon.
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Posted 2007-06-13 7:55 PM (#86010 - in reply to #86009)
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oklahoma has issues with properly built basements (they still flood here i live in a neighboorhood with properly built basements and they still leak everytime it rains) plus we have alot of creeks and stuff we built over.
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Posted 2007-06-13 7:56 PM (#86011 - in reply to #85852)
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there is video stating that it was vacuum sealed and the drivers side has a clear breach. the bag has pulled away several inches in several places. not a sign of vacuum. the car is wet toast! i am sick as hell! look at the lids! just laying there and not even all the way across the top of the vault. i was one way back that said it would be perfect. wrong again. i am glad they did the pre work on the vault a couple of days in advance so they didn't have 10,000 folks all crying and rampaging at the same time friday evening. mike in k.c. edit, just looked again. the trunk area is ripped from side to side it appears. confirmed TOAST!

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Posted 2007-06-13 9:15 PM (#86024 - in reply to #85852)
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I have alwys wondered about how the lid was sealed. I had envisioned a hot tar/rubber seal. But it looks like they slapped a little brittle and crumbly mortar on there and lowered the lid. Despite the fact that it didn't survive as we had hoped, it is still a very unique vehicle with a very interesting history. I still predict that it will wind up on eBay or at Auction and sell for a bunch of money. My preference would be that it ends up in a museum sitting in a vault diorama.

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Posted 2007-06-13 9:21 PM (#86027 - in reply to #85852)
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Has anyone given thought to the "second car theory"? Second car in its own vault, like a county building or someplace dry? Wishful thinking. Brian
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Posted 2007-06-13 9:26 PM (#86028 - in reply to #85852)
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it was tarred and sprayed with gunite inside and out. it looks as though it has been leaking from everywhere. i wonder if the pre-dig in april had anything to do with the huge water inside? i think some of the debris on top may have been from the original gunite spray 50 years ago. i saw a video of them spraying the gunite and it looked as though it was splattering everywhere. still, i am sick about this. the event plannes have got to be very upset. i saw the video of one planner in tears over the water discovery. i hope the microfilm inside the actual time capsule is readable of there may be a lawsuit i fear. surely they have to have paper copies archived of the contest entrants and their population guesses.
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Posted 2007-06-13 9:38 PM (#86030 - in reply to #85852)
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Sorry to say it but this is exactly what I had expected... I have read, seen and heard a good bit about how the car was prepped for burial over the years, but I don't recall
ever hearing much on the precautions and prep work done to the vault itself to ensure a safe environment other than it was sprayed with gunite.. Unless I missed something
somewhere, I don't recall any mention of water proofing the vault... I realize they did not have the technology then that we have today,
just as we today do not have what folks 50 in the future will have. No matter how one looks at it the Forward look community has suffered a big big loss today..
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Posted 2007-06-13 9:40 PM (#86031 - in reply to #86028)
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Well kids, I just had to come back around for this historic occasion.

Unfortunately, I was one of the few that can say "I told ya so". I was REALLY hoping that I'd be wrong, the '57 wouldnt be what it looks like it is. Completely rusted.

Being a MoPar guy AND an Okie, my pop took interest in the event fifty years ago. Early on, given the rust problem of ALL makes of the era, he didnt think there'd be much left. In a few short days he will see how right he was.

Note the color of the stains left by the years of water on the vault walls: RUST. Not good.

But you really cant blame the people back then. It was a really cool idea but Fred, Barney, Mr. Slate and everyone else back then really didnt know WTF they were doing. You can bet that the Prowler that was buried in '97 was probably done a little more carefully.
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Posted 2007-06-13 10:23 PM (#86039 - in reply to #85852)
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I have to agree that the car is pretty much trashed, I also noticed the color of the walls. That and the water is the first thing that caught my eye actually. I do hope I am wrong, but it surely don't look like it. I would still take the car just to say That I own it, but I would bet there is'nt even 50 bucks worth of scrap metal on the old girl. It is a shame, but atleast it brought alot of members together and I am sure they are having a blast. Still wish I could have been there.
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Posted 2007-06-13 10:39 PM (#86046 - in reply to #85852)
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It would have been really cool to see a brand new 57' in 07'...very disappointed. I bet they'll restore it no matter what the condition is...even if it's for the most part another car.
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Posted 2007-06-14 12:30 AM (#86063 - in reply to #85852)
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Just remember on that one.. the steel skid was exposed to the vault... i still think we won't know for sure until Friday.
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Posted 2007-06-14 12:56 AM (#86064 - in reply to #86063)
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I can just see an angry mob of Forward Look enthusiasts going out "wildin'". A riot in which every '55-'57 Chevrolet, every Corvette, every '64-'72 Chevelle and all hi-po Mustangs and GTOs getting trashed and their owners beaten!

"It was a conspiracy, I tell ya, people pourin' water and rock salt into that vault to make Ma Mopar look bad!"

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Posted 2007-06-14 1:39 AM (#86065 - in reply to #85852)
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It's really sad to see the pictures so far. It doesn't look good for the
condition of the car. I'm really sorry it doesn't look better but I can
honestly say I'm not surprised. Concrete is not a water proof material.
If it were we wouldn't have leaky basements. I think it was a poor choice
of material but maybe back in 1957 that was the best they had.

To be in the condition everyone would like to see, the car would have to be
sealed in something like a huge, thick plastic tub type container. Like a big
one piece swimming pool and then have the lid sealed down on the top
like a super glued Tupperware container. They probably just didn't
have the technology back then like we do today. OH, and I don't think
an aluminum vault is going to be any better. Aluminum corrodes and deteriorates
over time, look at some of the carbs we have been trying to restore.

My hopes aren't to high for Friday evening when they uncover it. I wish I had the
Kleenex paper tissue concession at the stadium. I don't think there will be to many
dry eyes in the house when it's unwrapped.
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Posted 2007-06-14 5:22 AM (#86078 - in reply to #85852)
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I was afraid of this. Not lookin' too good thus far. I'm one of the pessimists who predicted this outcome a few years ago, but way down I was hoping I was wrong.
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Posted 2007-06-14 8:59 AM (#86084 - in reply to #86065)
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the prowler vault is actually above ground. and its inside is pressureized.
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Posted 2007-06-14 9:14 AM (#86087 - in reply to #86084)
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Wow. Suddenly, it's reduced to iron ore.
How sad.
darn.
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Posted 2007-06-14 9:41 AM (#86088 - in reply to #86065)
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RoyalGate - 2007-06-14 1:39 AM

Concrete is not a water proof material.


good steel concrete IS water proof. it MUST be water proof otherwise concrete buildings/bridges,etc wouldnt last very long. the steel inside the concrete (not stainless and mostly rusty when cast in) would rust away and the buildings would collapse within a short time.
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Posted 2007-06-14 10:14 AM (#86090 - in reply to #85852)
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Will anybody be able to get a shot of the car under the cover before Friday? I thought they have to get to the sealed drum to find out who wins the vehicle prior to Friday? Unfortunately it looks like they will announce who the U-boat commander is instead of who won the car. On the plus side it is my guess that a forward looker will get the car instead of a wealthy person who saw it on the news. However I worry now that Boyd may offer his services for free to butcher the plymouth.
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Posted 2007-06-14 10:54 AM (#86092 - in reply to #86030)
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Ahem
as a waterproofing expert I just knew that this would be the result. If you don't use fully adhered sheet membrane waterproofing then concrete will attract moisture like a sponge. Also the hydrostatic pressure on a buried item increases with depth.That s**t they sprayed on the vault was NFG as far as I'm concerned.
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Posted 2007-06-14 10:56 AM (#86093 - in reply to #85852)
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What ever happens, rusty or not it is a cool way of celibrating a City birthday, actually ppl from Sweden and many more countries are there to watch, and Boyd got his a$$ out from his busy business, what more could the Tulsarama wish for? I like this and I will follow the Internet Broadcast... Fingers are crossed...
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Posted 2007-06-14 12:27 PM (#86099 - in reply to #85852)
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its not a city birthday its the State's birthday

Oklahoma joined the union in 1907 as the 46th.
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Posted 2007-06-14 2:11 PM (#86110 - in reply to #86099)
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From today's Tulsa World paper online:

Despite the discovery, organizers said late Wednesday that they think the car may be in reasonably good shape.

"It's not a rust bucket," said Art Couch of W.N. Couch Construction, after he and Jim Taylor of Taylor Crane examined the steel skid on which the car rests.

"We felt the sides of the car and it's solid," Couch said.
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Posted 2007-06-14 2:16 PM (#86112 - in reply to #86110)
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Think about it this way; this car would have been long gone if it wasn't put in the vault 50 years ago. I have seen pretty bad cars been restored to full glory. No matter what shape this car is in, it will make history!
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Posted 2007-06-14 3:34 PM (#86116 - in reply to #86112)
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Posted 2007-06-14 3:39 PM (#86119 - in reply to #85852)
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Looks like someone already stole the bumper wings.
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Posted 2007-06-14 3:46 PM (#86120 - in reply to #86119)
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well looks like shes a tough old bird. find out tomorrow how she fared.
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Posted 2007-06-14 4:02 PM (#86123 - in reply to #85852)
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Hey 57burb - did you take these yourself, or are they off the web?

Just curious, as you left no link & if there's a story posted with the pics, I'd like to check it out.
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Posted 2007-06-14 4:36 PM (#86126 - in reply to #85852)
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Posted 2007-06-14 5:10 PM (#86131 - in reply to #86126)
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I dont think its that bad, the car sits up to good. its definitely not totalled or toast!
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Posted 2007-06-14 5:20 PM (#86132 - in reply to #85852)
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I believe the car was originally on jacks, dbates. More likely than not, that's the only things holding it up right now.
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Posted 2007-06-14 5:30 PM (#86133 - in reply to #85852)
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If you look closely, it's almost as if the white paint from the side spear has adhered to the styrolene wrap.....
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Posted 2007-06-14 6:03 PM (#86136 - in reply to #85852)
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You know it may just not be as bad as I thought it would be, with a little luck, maybe it will be restorable!
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Posted 2007-06-14 6:04 PM (#86137 - in reply to #85852)
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Good or bad, if they restore it I bet they will have a hard time getting the old car smell out.
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Posted 2007-06-14 6:33 PM (#86141 - in reply to #86137)
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No, I'm not in Tulsa. I wish I was! But I am getting them from a site that a lot of you are on.

It's all the same photographer from the link I have been posting.. I just didn't put it in that particular post.
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Posted 2007-06-14 6:37 PM (#86142 - in reply to #85852)
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Who"s the AS$ #%LE,that decied that a time capsule has to be buried any way,A GM engineer? They would have been better off parking the car and its contents in a cement garage (with air vents )and sealing it behind the court house. Its a dam shame . I only hope its still salvagable. If its shot, they should display it as is , but thats up to the winner ! right ! or Foose could restore it on Overhaulin . Hopefully to original. Well HAPPY MOTORING!!!
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Posted 2007-06-14 6:41 PM (#86143 - in reply to #85852)
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I see the possibility for a great advertising ploy here. Where's the wax company that sells on the infomercials at. The one that goes to junkyards and rubs a little of their wax on a junker and it miraculously looks brand new. Or sets the car on fire then waxes it to bring the luster back.
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Posted 2007-06-14 11:06 PM (#86170 - in reply to #86143)
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As one of the ones who KNEW this thing was coming up full of water and junk, I still find myself feeling a little bad for the old girl......

This was a very heartbreakin' sight when i first saw the pics.......

Sorry guys, but I told ya so.....................

You just can't bury a car and expect it to live in water................

I wanted to be wrong....

Somewhere in the background, I swear I can hear taps...........

Wonder what it'll bring on E-Bay? Ya'll know that's where it's gonna end up..................................
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Posted 2007-06-14 11:14 PM (#86171 - in reply to #86170)
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dukeboy - 2007-06-14 10:06 PM

Wonder what it'll bring on E-Bay? Ya'll know that's where it's gonna end up..................................


Along with 200 clones sprayed with muddy water !!!!!
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Posted 2007-06-14 11:18 PM (#86172 - in reply to #86171)
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The funny thing is, my car started life as a 57' Plymouth Belvedere 2dr hd top, the twin to the Tulsa Plymouth...........

Course, now it looks like a 58'....You guessed it, Christine............

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Posted 2007-06-14 11:58 PM (#86179 - in reply to #85852)
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Good one Larry, LMAO!!
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Posted 2007-06-15 12:06 AM (#86180 - in reply to #86179)
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Reading over the rules of the contest,
if this is not claimed by, 8-24-07 it has to set for another 5 years! (If that is the case they may as well shove it back in the vault , fill it in with dirt and give the poor old beast a decent burial)

August 24, 2007 If no winner has come forward by this date, there will be an announcement of this fact. Persuant to Oklahoma's Unclaimed Property Act, Tulsarama, Inc. must then hold the Belvedere and the proceeds of the Savings Account for 5 years for the person or persons, to claim their property
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Posted 2007-06-15 1:07 AM (#86182 - in reply to #85852)
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I will be there tomorrow and I am a member of the working press signed up with Tulsarama and I have been told that I will get taken up close to the vault and will be very close when they take the cover off. After they take the cover off, they will take small groups of the press up close to see the car. So, I will make sure to let everyone know what it looks like to me and if I have any really cool pics I will post them.
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Posted 2007-06-15 1:57 AM (#86183 - in reply to #85852)
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Awesome, 3N57-2729! I for one will be on the lookout for 'em!

I'll be watching online as well, but streaming video ain't got jack on well taken snaps.
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Posted 2007-06-15 6:08 AM (#86192 - in reply to #85852)
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i'll get to watch it on KOTV Channel 6 Tulsa.

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Posted 2007-06-15 7:53 AM (#86196 - in reply to #85852)
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When are we going to start seeing pictures of the other Plymouths? There has to be hundreds of other Plymouths in the area?
I could not make it with my 1956 Australian version but I am sure there are many others that made the trip.
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Posted 2007-06-15 8:06 AM (#86198 - in reply to #86196)
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i've seen a dodge and a plymouth from the era driving around Tulsa.
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Posted 2007-06-15 8:21 PM (#86211 - in reply to #85852)
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I like the picture that's going around of someone's kid holding about a 12" chunk of wet, muddy leaf spring that fell off the car. Especially with like 6 cops visible behind him ignoring him.
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Posted 2007-06-16 1:01 AM (#86217 - in reply to #85852)
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Posted 2007-06-16 12:01 PM (#86257 - in reply to #85852)
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Yahoo news link and click on the cars pic for others.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070616/ap_on_re_us/buried_belvedere
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Posted 2007-06-16 12:42 PM (#86259 - in reply to #85852)
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Posted 2007-06-16 1:25 PM (#86262 - in reply to #86211)
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RustyNewYorker - 2007-06-15 8:21 PM

I like the picture that's going around of someone's kid holding about a 12" chunk of wet, muddy leaf spring that fell off the car. Especially with like 6 cops visible behind him ignoring him.


Oh Boy! there's the first one to hit E-Bay!!

FOR SALE: One piece of muddy, wet, rusty, not usable, complete sh*t, 12" section of the Tulsa Plymouth's leaf spring.......

Reserve price? $75,000......Please place bid now....And good luck!
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Posted 2007-06-16 1:38 PM (#86266 - in reply to #86262)
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The kid holding the piece of spring is the grandson of one of Tulsa's governing body - and the leaf is staying with the car.
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Posted 2007-06-16 3:16 PM (#86273 - in reply to #85852)
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Posted 2007-06-16 3:52 PM (#86275 - in reply to #85852)
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It would be nice to see the winner donate the vehicle to the Tulsa Historical Society. Regardless of some people's opinions on the worth of this car, it is nonethelesss of historical significance. Hopefully, whoever wins it, won't take the reckless and cavalier attitude that it is a POS. It should be carefully cleaned and left in its current state, put on display for all to enjoy.
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Posted 2007-06-16 6:35 PM (#86285 - in reply to #86275)
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forwardlookparts - 2007-06-16 2:52 PM

It would be nice to see the winner donate the vehicle to the Tulsa Historical Society. Regardless of some people's opinions on the worth of this car, it is nonethelesss of historical significance. Hopefully, whoever wins it, won't take the reckless and cavalier attitude that it is a POS. It should be carefully cleaned and left in its current state, put on display for all to enjoy.



this my friends is the feeling of Tulsa,Oklahoma.
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Posted 2007-06-16 9:24 PM (#86298 - in reply to #85852)
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Anybody got a good power washer????? I think that is the correct place to start. A small drain at the bottom of the pit would have helped to preserve the car. I saw that Boyd said that the car was not a pretty sight. I would still like to win the car. What a story the person who gets/restores the car is going to be able to tell!!!!

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Posted 2007-06-16 11:20 PM (#86309 - in reply to #85852)
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If you DONT wanna get really angry, then DONT go over to Moparts.com where a fair number of losers have almost outright disdain for Ms Belvie. Many have voiced that that it should be a parts car or just CRUSHED!

Can you believe that?! I guess all the testosterone from driving "muscle cars" has gone to their heads. I guess we all are a different breed and REAL CAR GUYS!
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Posted 2007-06-16 11:25 PM (#86310 - in reply to #86309)
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forwardlookparts - 2007-06-16 8:20 PM

I guess all the testosterone from driving "muscle cars" has gone to their heads. I guess we all are a different breed and REAL CAR GUYS!


Of course, in the Ch*vy world, you have obese old guys who can finally afford a Corvette or Chevelle SS, but can't squeeze into either......so they build full size, big block Impala SS clones!

I guess most Mopar muscle car people stay trim enough to fit into their A, B and E body performance machines.

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Posted 2007-06-16 11:40 PM (#86311 - in reply to #86310)
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Dam, has this Tulsa thing got alot of people talkin'!!

REAL CAR GUYS???
Just because we drive the cars with 700 H.P., 4-speeds, and DANA rears, that makes us losers???

We feel the same as you about the Tulsa plymouth, just some people would rather tell it like it is......

I don't think it should be crushed, but it's definately junk now.........

Some are for restoring it, some are for keepin' it like it is....Has anyone thought of rcording the VIN # yet??

What are all of you gonna do when the "NEW OWNER" takes his/her prize to E-BAY??? You gonna call him/her and offer a fortune for the "Historical" worth??
You put that rusty,wet,muddy,gone to nothing, P.O.S. (Even with it's "History"), in front of people, Your gonna get that reaction from the people that don't live and breathe fins...............


BTW: I've got a 505 C.I. 750 H.P. Dodge Dart "Muscle car".. But I've also got a '58 Plymouth too....Do you do all the work on your car??
There's your REAL CAR GUY!!! Anytime you want to challenge this "Losers" car, I'll set you out 2 length's, and real you in like a catfish! LOL

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Posted 2007-06-16 11:54 PM (#86313 - in reply to #86311)
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dukeboy - 2007-06-16 11:40 PM


You put that rusty,wet,muddy,gone to nothing, P.O.S. (Even with it's "History"), in front of people, Your gonna get that reaction from the people that don't live and breathe fins...............


So? f**kem. The car has historical significance. Tell your pals I just found Richard Petty's '64 stock car, the first one ever fitted with a 426 Hemi. It's pretty rough now, not worth bothering with, I think I'll crush it. You guys would be crying and whining and waving wallets like nobody's business.

This car is an ARTIFACT. Who gives a crap if it's restoreable or going to be restored? The Sphinx in Egypt ain't perfect either and I don't see anyone talking about destroying IT.

I like muscle cars, but "you muscle car guys" when taken collectively, are a bunch of morons.

http://www.buriedcar.com/all_galleries/time/images/IMG_0521.jpg

http://www.buriedcar.com/all_galleries/time/images/IMG_0520.jpg

http://www.buriedcar.com/all_galleries/time/images/IMG_0505.jpg

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http://www.buriedcar.com/all_galleries/time/images/IMG_0494.jpg

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Posted 2007-06-16 11:56 PM (#86314 - in reply to #86313)
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Personally, I couldn't give two Sh*ts wheather it's Petty's or anybody's HEMI car, just don't like em'....


I'll bet we'd be a bunch of "Morons" if the car was a Cuda,Challenger,Charger,etc., and we said that about it too!
None of us would even care if it was a "Muscle car" buried in the ground, but since it's a F.L. car, they said what they said because they don't live and breathe fins.......They could care less about a '57 Plymouth, but if it were a HEMI Cuda, then you would see a different side of them!

My thinkin' is.....If the gentleman didn't want to here what the "Muscle car" guys had to say, well what the hell was he over there for in the first place?


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Posted 2007-06-17 12:08 AM (#86315 - in reply to #86311)
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dukeboy - 2007-06-16 8:40 PM

REAL CAR GUYS???
Just because we drive the cars with 700 H.P., 4-speeds, and DANA rears, that makes us losers???


No, it doesn't. But the next time some a$$hole stops by my house and asks me what I'm gonna do with my Imperial and tells me I should "harvest" the 440/727 and find a B or E body to put them in, I'll break his teeth with a f*ckin' crow bar!

I grew up liking both full size cars and muscle cars and I know the type of a$$holes Doug is referring to. If you like anything full size or with more than two doors, to them, you're into "grandpa cars" and you are wasting your time.

They are entitled to their opinion, but they don't need to question my manhood for driving an station wagon or vintage luxo-barge.

We have many people here, you included, who respect other people's choices. But some people either have small apendages or shoot their load before the women in their lives are satisfied, so they have to put on some sort of phony macho bravado b*llsh*t. And they do this by ridiculing people who stand up for being different.

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Posted 2007-06-17 12:10 AM (#86316 - in reply to #86315)
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Oh, and I miss my '68 Charger R/T and will do so for the rest of my life!

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Posted 2007-06-17 12:19 AM (#86318 - in reply to #86316)
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I'm guilty of takin' a few Imperials apart for the 440/727 combo's, but I've also cruised a '66 Chrysler (Yes, it was a four door), and loved that ol' car....

After the unfortunate incident with a "Driver of limited brains", it was totaled...Then, I harvested the 440/727 and put em' in a would you believe it?, another luxo barge...('68 FuryIII).......

I still don't think it should be crushed!

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Posted 2007-06-17 12:26 AM (#86321 - in reply to #86318)
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dukeboy - 2007-06-16 9:19 PM

I still don't think it should be crushed!


Neither do I.

Oh, I would harvest a 440 from a wrecked or rusted luxo-barge or C body. I was talking about the people who pick up a 35,000 mile survivor at an estate sale and not only harvest the drivetrain, but cut away the wiring and linkages, making it harder for the next owner (if any) to put it back on the road.

Man, those old C and D bodies are great road cars!

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Posted 2007-06-17 12:42 AM (#86326 - in reply to #85852)
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Let us not forget that the P-38 Glacier Girl layed under the Greenland ice cap for over 50 years. It was restored and is in flyable condition.

This car would be much more easy than a plane. I just wish I was there. We could have taken donations of quarters and visited the local car wash. I wonder what it looks like under the muck??? The hood and trunk were opened w/o any great difficulty.

They did not even disconnect the battery before installing it in the tomb.

Where are our reporters from the field? What's the verdict on the scene?

My bet is that the car will hit Ebay. That is if the winner does not have the funds to restore the car.

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Posted 2007-06-17 1:57 AM (#86330 - in reply to #86315)
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Quote from Kenny
" We have many people here, you included, who respect other people's choices. But some people either have small apendages or shoot their load before the women in their lives are satisfied, so they have to put on some sort of phony macho bravado b*llsh*t. And they do this by ridiculing people who stand up for being different."


Amen, Kenny...hats off to ya bro. Couldn't have said it better myself.
Chris

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MorePar
Posted 2007-06-17 2:56 AM (#86334 - in reply to #86330)
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Well our fearless leader got quoted in the ABC news article:

 

http://abcnews.go.com/US/WireStory?id=3283427&page=1

 

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Posted 2007-06-17 3:48 AM (#86335 - in reply to #85852)
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Looks like at least the ribbed trim on the side of the roof is still shining we may ask it how it's been back in 1957

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Posted 2007-06-17 7:46 AM (#86341 - in reply to #85852)
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I think those who reckon on keeping the car as it is are overlooking something important...

Exposed to the air, with no paint on much of the metal, there's no way it can possibly not deteriorate rapidly from here on in.

It has to be restored to survive.
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Posted 2007-06-17 7:49 AM (#86343 - in reply to #86341)
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Ray Bell - 2007-06-17 6:46 AM

I think those who reckon on keeping the car as it is are overlooking something important...

Exposed to the air, with no paint on much of the metal, there's no way it can possibly not deteriorate rapidly from here on in.

It has to be restored to survive.


put it in an airtight pressurized room.
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