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Location: Southern Sweden - Sturkö island | Hi there, this is my Saratoga 60, I'm working with the interior, reupholster the seats and I have just changed the floor carpet.
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Location: bishop, ca | Hello, Sven! Where do you live?
Boy, that's a STRAIGHT car. and, that's a great view of the optional Saratoga side trim,
that was discussed recently, around here!
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Location: Southern Sweden - Sturkö island | Hi d500neil, I live in southern Sweden on a small island called Sturkö. Yes the old gal has a really nice figure still after all those years. Just finished the job of changing the floor carpets and there is not even a hole in the floor pans - some surface rust was found but I only had to brush it off and paint the floor. It was a Florida car from the beginning, so the crome was not so good (bumpers recromed) with a lot of pittings and webbings. I have changed some and will evetualluy recrome some parts. |
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Location: Southern Sweden - Sturkö island | Some more photos of the lady
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Location: Las Vegas, Nevada | wizard - 2007-11-27 10:46 AM
Hi there, this is my Saratoga 60, I'm working with the interior, reupholster the seats and I have just changed the floor carpet.
The dashboard padding will also be changed during this winter
My goodness......who could look at this beauty and try to say a four door can't be attractive??????????????????
I am very, very jealous. 
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Location: Southern Sweden - Sturkö island | Yes Spinout that's affirmative! Law request otherwise it would be the waste bin with those (maybe I will de mount them and only use them for the inspection) |
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Location: bishop, ca | Those are lovely reflectors...
Sven, are you sure that you don't live on a TROPICAL island? Sure don't look like Vasteras.....
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Location: Rochester Hills, MI | Very nice Sven! Looks like lots of exterior options on this car, what kind of other options? Did your car have the cut pile carpeting or the loop pile carpeting? I have seen both in 60 Chryslers and I don't know which is original. |
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Location: Warren, Michigan | Oh wow! Beautiful car. I love it. If I find one like that around here, just try to hold me back.
How does this car look with wider whites? I can't decide what would look better in my mind. |
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Location: Southern Sweden - Sturkö island | Thanks TailFinGary, the Toga has the "delux" side trim, front fender ornaments and I have also bought the correct 3post passenger fender mirror. On the inside, she will get the 6way power seat, which I have bought and restored and the Mirrormatic will most probably also be bought and installed. She has now the rear speaker trims and mesh, which I got from E-bay and the rear defroster will also be mounted. Then I wish to get the power windows as well, but you know that all options cost some money and time. My Toga had the loop curl as original, and so has most of the Chryslers from 59-60 that I've seen (before restauration) - my bet is that the loop curl was original - I don't know when the cut pile entered on the marked. |
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Location: Southern Sweden - Sturkö island | I can very much guarantee you d500neil, that this is not a tropical island! We have now misty, rainy weather with low temperatures and the humidity cuts right to the very bones in my body.
In fact, its long away from Vasteras (in our small country, that is) the island is called Sturkö and there are only about 1700 habitants year around + tourists in the summer. |
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Location: Southern Sweden - Sturkö island | Started up the lady today
She shook and shuddered a little due to vaporized gasoline in the carburetor - then she caught and started to hum the fantastic gurgle of a V 8! After a long winter sleep, she woke up and came to life again.
The rear seat is now back in place and hopefully within short also the front seat will be in place
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Location: northern germany | wizard - 2008-04-14 12:25 PM
Started up the lady today
She shook and shuddered a little due to vaporized gasoline in the carburetor -
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Location: Southern Sweden - Sturkö island | I usually take away the lead to the distributor and crank up the oilpressure Sid, it's a good idea to heat up the oilpan. |
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Location: bishop, ca | Is that where the expression to "light a FIRE under it".... got started???? |
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Location: Victoria, BC, on Vancouver Island, Canada | Great looking Saratoga, here are a few pics of a loaded Saratoga that was for sale in Canada about 2 years ago. Has power windows, power seat, 7 button radio, large rear window, clear steering wheel. It was a low-mileage original .
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Location: Southern Sweden - Sturkö island | I mounted the front bench seat today and went for a small testrun - everything worked just fine.
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Location: northern germany | wizard - 2008-04-15 2:32 PM
I mounted the front bench seat today and went for a small testrun - everything worked just fine.
these are GREAT cars. today i took my girls original 150K (drivetrain never rebuild) mile 61 desoto coupe out of winter storage for a 60 mile test drive on the autobahn  it runs so smooth 30 or 130 mph it drives and handles perfect. these are the greatest cars ever build! 
you did a great job on the seat covers!
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Location: bishop, ca | I would be afraid to plop my mASS onto that beautiful, virgin seat upholstery, and terrified to think about anyone
else doing similarly, on the pASSenger's side of the seat!
That's an awfully expansive area of contiguous upholstery, there.
Get thee to a nunnery (or, at least, to a supplier of clear plastic seat covering material) !
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Location: Williams California | A beautiful car, Sven, you should be proud! I'll reiterate-Excellent job on the upholstery! ---John |
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Location: Southern Sweden - Sturkö island | Thanks for the all the nice words my friends! Got seats (car) - will cruise |
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Location: Southern Sweden - Sturkö island | This is the view that I see at night with the glowing AstraDome
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Location: bishop, ca | Really getting-it ON, there, Sven ????
OOPS; I mistook you AMP needle for the Speedo needle!
Still funny, tho!
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Location: Southern Sweden - Sturkö island | Neil, when I'm home, I'll always go out to the garage one last time every night. Sometimes I'll get in the car, just sitting there with the domelight or the instrument lights on, a Rock N' Roll tune oozing out of the speakers - and start to drift away. We call this "dry drivin'" here, but whatever you call it, I'm almost sure that you've done it to.
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Location: Upplands Väsby, Sweden | Very nice cluster AstraDome at 60 Chrysler.
And Neil same here, I often go out at garage at evening before i go to sleep So I can think what I must do tomorow buy parts, bolts, paint... where can I found this lost part, how it look, maby some one can help me at forward look site?
+ put the garage raidio on "radio vinyl" 50´s music, and think this i life.
At week end in garage I will have some beer and higher volume at radio.
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Location: Southern Sweden - Sturkö island | I took the Toga to the Car Inspection today - clean report, not even a comment (other than the waow's and ooh's from the inspection guys - they just stayed in the car and admired it)!
Here in Sweden we have to inspect only every 2 years - so now it's only to cruise away.
The brakes had a perfect even pull and the front wheel suspension had no freeplay or any other defects! I just made an overall check, greased up the all the joints and performed some maintenance.
As Sid would put it, "those cars where most probably the best cars ever built"
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Location: Southern Sweden - Sturkö island | Looked like it was nice weather today, so we took the Toga for a ride. Naturally it started to rain a little, but she can handle a little water. It's amazing how handable those cars is, on the highway I drove her up to 75 mph, but a steady 60 was ideal for good economy.
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Location: Victoria, BC, on Vancouver Island, Canada | You have the COVETED MirrorMatic ! Is it original to the car ? - it looks like the 1959 version, as the 1960 and later version has an adjustment wheel rather than the sliding switch. I have been trying to scoop one of these at a reasonable price for 2 years !!
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Location: Southern Sweden - Sturkö island | How true Ian, that is a 59 mirror that comes from a Plymouth Fury. I was lucky enough to find it at a very reasonable price ($350) in SWEDEN with a BRAND NEW mirror glass mounted. The mirror glass comes from a Volvo P 1800 and is cut down to the correct size (just a tiny bit missing in both the lower corners, since that mirror is not sufficiant in size) No my Saratoga did not have the Mirrormatic originally mounted. That is a real cool option (connect to the H terminal on the lightswitch). The only reasonable prices you'll find maybe with a bad spotted webbed mirror glass, but go ahead and buy them anyway - find a bigger mirror and have a glassworker cut it to size and polish away the silvercoat for the photocell. I'll keep an eye open for you and send yo a PM if I see one. |
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Location: Victoria, BC, on Vancouver Island, Canada | wizard - 2008-05-03 10:56 AM How true Ian, that is a 59 mirror that comes from a Plymouth Fury. I was lucky enough to find it at a very reasonable price ($350) in SWEDEN with a BRAND NEW mirror glass mounted. The mirror glass comes from a Volvo P 1800 and is cut down to the correct size (just a tiny bit missing in both the lower corners, since that mirror is not sufficiant in size) No my Saratoga did not have the Mirrormatic originally mounted. That is a real cool option (connect to the H terminal on the lightswitch). The only reasonable prices you'll find maybe with a bad spotted webbed mirror glass, but go ahead and buy them anyway - find a bigger mirror and have a glassworker cut it to size and polish away the silvercoat for the photocell. I'll keep an eye open for you and send yo a PM if I see one. I had a mirror-matic at one time in a 1960 Dodge Polara that I used to own. I bought it in the late 1970s for $100.00 and had the mirror re-silvered. The mirror needed nothing else, and continues to work today on that car for the present owner. |
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Location: Southern Sweden - Sturkö island | Interesting about re-silvering Ian, I wonder if we do that kind of work also here in Sweden? I heard that it is a complicated procedure that requires care and cleanliness. |
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Location: Vittuone (Milano) - Italy | Sven, ma è meravigliosa!! I sedili ci stanno benissimo! Grande!!
(in English?? -> Wonderful!! Seats look great on this car!! Great!!)
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Location: Southern Sweden - Sturkö island | Nathan, that is Mrs. Wizard indeed and I made the mistake long time ago to learn her drive those cars  - she's absolutely crazy about the car and want's to drive it as much as I let her.
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Location: Southern Sweden - Sturkö island | Beautiful weather here on the "Swedish Hawaii" Sturkö island, could not resist as she keept calling me; "come on sport, take me for a ride, come on now, you'll love it". As we got home I shot some mor pictures.
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I wish I could get my wife to be comfortable driving these old cars around.
(It scares me that she'll just sell 'em off when I'm gone!)
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We've discussed this before, Nathan. I thought you resolved that issue before tying the knot!  
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Location: Southern Sweden - Sturkö island | Real nice weather so we took a ride in to our nearest town Karlskrona - here's some pictures.
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| what a clean car!! What options does it have? a 413 or a 383? I really love the 4 door hardtops!!
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Location: Southern Sweden - Sturkö island | Rick, the Toga didn't have much when I bought her - I added some optionals;
Power seat
Mirrormatic
(Power windows) This winter
Fender ornaments
All chrome inside HT trim
Rear speaker trim and mesh
Rear defroster
Vanity mirror
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| That is really cool. Where's you find those options? It's hard to find them in the US. I have made a deal to buy a 60 NewYorker with a 413, power windows, fender ornaments, wheel well moldings and rockermouldings. It also has the remote control mirror and I am not sure which am radio it has. The guy is letting me make payments so I am not real excited about the car yet. But I will be.. A very interesting fact about the seller is that he went highschool with my late father.. I just call that a rediculious coincidence..
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Location: NY & VT | Thanks for posting all the great pictures Sven! What a spectacular combination of car and scenery! I have a thing for the 4 door hardtops too, I think that roofline is an elegant complement to the sleek Forward Look styling!
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Location: Southern Sweden - Sturkö island | Thank you for your kind words Roger! I agree with you on the 4 door hardtop lines, created by "Ex". |
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Location: Southern Sweden - Sturkö island | Here's some more pictures on the car from 2009
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| wizard - 2009-12-30 8:07 AM
Here's some more pictures on the car from 2009
Very beautiful car, nice job on the interior.... nice color too!!
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Location: Southern Sweden - Sturkö island | During the first time, the car didn't have a name, more like short -sara or toga. Since then the girl has been named JoseFin from the name-day when I bought her and a capital F to underline the Fins on her.
This is an update of the options that she has (after mounted);
Auto-Pilot (work in progress, this winter)
Swivel Seats (work in progress, this winter)
6-way Power seat
Power windows
Delux Padded Lucite steeringwheel
Golden Touch Tone 7-button radio
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Fender ornaments
All chrome inside HT trim
Rear speaker trim and mesh
Rear defroster
Dual Exhaust system (work in progress, this winter)
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Location: Finland | Quite impressive list Sven... `Cos you now have swivel seats ongoing I´ll be visiting Sturkö soon and I won`t leave before we have a deal of your 6-way power seat  There is swivel seats for sale in eBay but imo too expensive as being total project. I´ve been collecting small items to my Soto and latest score is "map light". I didn`t won the "dash clock" even that I bid sh*t load of money for it. I assume that someone needed it more than I did. With the money saved I went for the tool store and bought "planishing hammer" + some other metal shaping goodies... This winter I can atleast try to learn how to use real tools. Might be confusing `cos I´m so used to my old reliable "screw wise + hammer tehnique" -jupe
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Location: Southern Sweden - Sturkö island | Dear friend, you're welcome to visit us, but the undercarriage for the 6-way seat will be used under the swivel seats (the same undercarriage is used as for the benchseats)! |
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Location: Southern Sweden - Sturkö island | Last update
Child Guard Rear door safety locks (this winter)
Auto-Pilot (work in progress, this winter)
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6-way Power seat
Power windows
Delux Padded Lucite steeringwheel
Golden Touch Tone 7-button radio
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Location: Southern Sweden - Sturkö island | Here's the latest update;
Automatic Beamchanger (I have half of the parts needed - still collecting)
Child Guard Rear door safety locks (this winter)
Auto-Pilot (work in progress, this winter)
Swivel Seats (work in progress, this winter)
6-way Power seat
Power windows
Delux Padded Lucite steeringwheel
Golden Touch Tone 7-button radio
Mirrormatic
3-post hooded rearviewmirror, passenger side
Fender ornaments
All chrome inside HT trim
Rear speaker trim and mesh
Rear defroster
Dual Exhaust system (work in progress, this winter)
Vanity mirror
Rear bumper guards
Power antenna (aftermarket whatever)
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Location: Victoria, BC, on Vancouver Island, Canada | Wow Sven, those seats look great _ I am envious.
So you have taken the Saratoga upholstery and done it in the pattern of the New Yorker. The New Yorker upholstery pattern looks more like a bucket seat and looks more comfortable to sit on.
It looks very good that way. ( for those who don't know - see my Saratoga version below ) .
The New Yorker is the terra-cotta color interior at bottom.
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Location: Southern Sweden - Sturkö island | Yes Ian, basically the idea is from the NY style, but my fabric has a more conical form and the piping is pulled in deep in the seats and less deep in the backrests. Further, the backrests has been slightly modified - you may notice that they're not so bulky anymore. The bucket form makes the seats more comfortable and keeps you "in place". There is however much work that remains, with adjusting of the height and improvement of the swivel parts. The swivel seats were an outstanding cool gadget when they where released in '59, but the quality of the parts leaves much to wish for. Even more, the automatic swivel seats that made a one year only - '60 had poor quality in the actuating parts in the doors. The $121 paid for the option must be considered a bad investment, since the major part of the automatic swivel seats soon became manual - they just broke down too much. I have been thinking to try to get the missing parts for the automatic function and to improve them - had Chrysler done that from the beginning, we might have seen that option for many years. A trivia about the swivel seats is that they where created as an idea of how to ease into the low cars in the later FL era.
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Location: Australia | very cool sven... you are doing a good job locating all those options... im curious if there are any options that were available that you dislike and would not source and put on your car? one for me would be roof racks... im always interested to hear peoples loves and dislikes of options... i personally love the front window outside body colour sunvisor (i know not a forwardlook option), of which i know many people utterly despise... adriana |
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Location: Southern Sweden - Sturkö island | Actually, there's really no of the options that I dislike, but I'm not very fond of the toilet seat deck lid myself. For me, this "disturbes" the clean sweeping lines of the fins for the '60 Chryslers. Yet another one is the fender skirts, which I don't think fits a '60 at all. Those are my peronally opionions about two of the options. |
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Location: Victoria, BC, on Vancouver Island, Canada | Sven, as to the automatic swivel seats, Smitty - a member of this forum makes replacement cables for them, he says they are heavier duty than the originals. Mine are the automatic type, but cables are broken. At this point I'm not sure if I want to replace the cables, or just disconnect the springs because without the cables attached, the return springs cause the seats to swing back inwards and they don't swing out very easily with the springs attached. |
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Auto-Pilot
Swivel Seats (installed within short)
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Power windows
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Golden Touch Tone 7-button radio
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Fender ornaments
All chrome inside HT trim
Rear speaker trim and mesh
Rear defroster
Dual Exhaust system
Vanity mirror
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Location: Victoria, BC, on Vancouver Island, Canada | Were the rear door child safety locks a factory option on 60 Chryslers? I've never heard of that one before on these cars. |
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Location: Southern Sweden - Sturkö island | Yes indeed they where Ian. The rear door child safety locks are advertised in the MoPar Accessories 1960. The lock wher kind of OK - the children could not open the rear door, neither could you from the outside in case of an accident!!!!! You had to reach in, put one of the keys in the slot of the lock and pull back the locking pin, then lift up the locking lever - not a good thing if the car was on fire. I collect options, so I mounted them anyway.
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Yeah, I know: they just removed the inside door handles.....
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Location: Southern Sweden - Sturkö island | So, finally today JoseFin got her new seats mounted.
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Location: Sweden Vansbro | Wow, it looks great. Bengt |
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Location: Upplands Väsby, Sweden | Hi Sven!
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Location: Victoria, BC, on Vancouver Island, Canada | They look Great !! Now for your newly fabricated power seat bezel to be installed... |
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Location: Southern Sweden - Sturkö island | Thanks guy's! Yes Ian, the bezel will be the next item to mount. I'm waiting for some paint that I've ordered... |
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Location: Bräcke,Sweden | Very nice.
I really like the rubber matting.Are they aftermarket and still available? |
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Location: Southern Sweden - Sturkö island | The mats are indeed aftermarket Nisse, but they where made way back then, so they're not re-pops. I think that they fit any car. Although they looks nice, they're kind of dryed out - I have treated them with silicone spray.
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Location: SWITZERLAND | Sven, I can vividly imagine your feeling, when sitting in the car and listen to the music. Every step you show us is a highlight and a pleasure for the eyes. Can you post a picture where can see how you mounted the switch of the 6-way power seats. - SERGE -
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Location: Southern Sweden - Sturkö island | Actually Serge, my friend, I'm just working with the bezel right now - the last adaptions before paint. Hopefully, I'll get the paint around midweek next week. |
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Location: ZH, Switzerland | Sven
You got a wonderful 60 Saratoga... When I compare it to my 56 NY your is uncountable steps in advance. You could drive your car while mine's still stalled at the mechanic (did not do anything). At your pics I see how nice re-chromed fenders are looking. The interior looks astonishing! Congratulation to your car.
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Location: Southern Sweden - Sturkö island | Thanks Dieter! But it's a lot of fun to renovate and fix up things as well. Just hang in there and work with your car, soon enough you'll be on the road to. |
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Location: Las Vegas, NV | What a beautiful car, and I'm sure it's even more beautiful than the pics can show. I've noticed that for some reason pictures never do the 60-61 Chryslers full justice. The fins look truly massive when you see them in person. |
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Location: Southern Sweden - Sturkö island | Today, I finally mounted the rear ash receiver. Hard to find, but nice to have. Oh, the second photo comes from a friend who has not mounted his ash receiver yet. The ting is that I had a cardboard sheet under the fabric and could not feel where the frame for the ash receiver was in the backrest. So that photo is for to help others with the same problem.
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Location: Southern Sweden - Sturkö island | The addition of yet a much wanted accessorie - RCA AP-1 Record changer, the first step (modern radio/cd/MP3 player inside the casing). The record changer mechanism is renovated and will remain stored until I'll be able to build a modern amplifier into the original radio.
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Location: Southern Sweden - Sturkö island | Here's the latest option update;
Automatic Beamchanger (I have all parts needed - will try to install the unit this winter)
Child Guard Rear door safety locks
Auto-Pilot
Swivel Seats
6-way Power seat
Power windows
Delux Padded Lucite steeringwheel
Golden Touch Tone 7-button radio
Mirrormatic
3-post hooded rearviewmirror, passenger side
Fender ornaments
All chrome inside HT trim
Rear speaker trim and mesh
Rear defroster
Dual Exhaust system
Vanity mirror
Rear bumper guards
Power antenna (aftermarket whatever)
RCA AP-1 Record Changer
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Location: Southern Sweden - Sturkö island | To day we celebrate the name day Josefina - I bought my JoseFin four years today. Those years have been full with very interesting projects and challanges.
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Location: Sweden Vansbro | Congratulations, and thank you for showing us how things should be repaired, it is always interesting to see how you do it. Bengt |
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Location: SWITZERLAND | wizard - 2010-05-14 5:51 PM So, finally today JoseFin got her new seats mounted. Again and again I look in this thread admiring this beautiful car, fully loaded with affections of his owner - Sven. At the first glance and for outsiders, this car looks as a 2-Door, due to its engineous design. The swivel seats operation I found a little bit "restrichted" because of the smaller door opening of a 4-door car, as already stated. Thinking about, it should be easy possible, to get its full rotation as on a 2-door, in modifying its pivot to a "floating" pivot the way, that turning the seat out, it moves simultaneously up to 5cm towards front (not the seat frame with the 6-way adjuster), just never touching the cars body. This is called a guided rotation. Then. some brackets, some weldings - that's it! Every solution starts with an idea. This is another one for Sven. - SERGE -
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To day we celebrate the name day Josefina - I bought my JoseFin four years today. Those years have been full with very interesting projects and challanges.
4 Years thats good. I have owned mine 3 now. Your 60 Chrysler looks great. One of my favorite year FL cars. |
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Location: Southern Sweden - Sturkö island | Here's a new option update;
Convenience;
Automatic Beamchanger
Auto-Pilot
Mirrormatic
Swivel Seats
6-way Power seat
Power windows
Golden Touch Tone 7-button radio
Rear speaker trim and mesh
Power antenna (aftermarket whatever)
RCA AP-1 Record Changer
Vanity mirror
Dual Exhaust system
(Power Door Locks - I have all the parts, but not yet installed)
Safety;
Rear defroster
Child Guard Rear door safety locks
Delux Padded Lucite steeringwheel
3-post hooded rearviewmirror, passenger side
Fashion/Decor;
Fender ornaments
All chrome inside HT trim
Rear bumper guards
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Very clever ideas, really well executed, Sven!
Wonderful car you have there!
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Location: Southern Sweden - Sturkö island | New update on the option list;
Convenience;
Automatic Beamchanger
Auto-Pilot
Mirrormatic
Swivel Seats
6-way Power seat
Power windows
Golden Touch Tone 7-button radio
Rear speaker trim and mesh
Power antenna (aftermarket whatever)
RCA AP-1 Record Changer
Vanity mirror
Dual Exhaust system
Safety;
Rear defroster
Safe-T-Matic vacuum power door locks
Child Guard Rear door safety locks
Delux Padded Lucite steeringwheel
3-post hooded rearviewmirror, passenger side
Fashion/Decor;
Fender ornaments
All chrome inside HT trim
Rear bumper guards
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Location: Southern Sweden - Sturkö island | New update on the option list;
Convenience;
Automatic Beamchanger
Auto-Pilot
Mirrormatic
Swivel Seats
6-way Power seat
Power windows
Golden Touch Tone 7-button radio
Rear speaker trim and mesh
Power antenna (aftermarket whatever)
RCA AP-1 Record Changer
Vanity mirror
Dual Exhaust system
Locking Fuel Tank Cap (MoPar)
Rear Cig Lighter Console on center seat
Safety;
Rear defroster
Safe-T-Matic vacuum power door locks
Child Guard Rear door safety locks
Delux Padded Lucite steeringwheel
3-post hooded rearviewmirror, passenger side
Fashion/Decor;
Fender ornaments
All chrome inside HT trim
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Location: North Australia | Wizard. You are brilliant............... but.................
I think you have Accessory compulsive disorder!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Keep up the awesome work. Soon I will need your help to get my coordinated windshield washer operating. Soon.
Steve.
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Location: Southern Sweden - Sturkö island | 60 Imp - 2013-02-22 1:20 PM
Wizard. You are brilliant............... but.................
I think you have Accessory compulsive disorder!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Keep up the awesome work. Soon I will need your help to get my coordinated windshield washer operating. Soon.
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Xacty Steve - I have booked a meeting with the doctor - I knew it for a long time - need to get my head examined
You just PM me with any questions or look up the old thread - I'll be happy if I can help you
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I think you have Accessory compulsive disorder!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
ACD! Love it! 
"Wizard", you are just that...a real wizard!
Very impressive work!
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Location: Michigan | What a beauty Sven. Pretty soon your going to run out of things to add to Josefin. Your eventually going to have to buy another car to support your compulsive behaviour of adding options. You know this right? |
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Location: Victoria, BC, on Vancouver Island, Canada | Sven, the only option left to install would be A/C. But of course, who needs A/C in Sweden?  |
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Location: Victoria, BC, on Vancouver Island, Canada | Sven, do the door locks automatically lock when the car starts moving after a few seconds? I once read somewhere in the literature from Chrysler that they engage automatically when the car starts moving. |
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Location: Southern Sweden - Sturkö island | Beltran - 2013-02-22 5:50 PM
What a beauty Sven. Pretty soon your going to run out of things to add to Josefin. Your eventually going to have to buy another car to support your compulsive behaviour of adding options. You know this right?
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Location: Southern Sweden - Sturkö island | imopar380 - 2013-02-22 5:54 PM
Sven, the only option left to install would be A/C. But of course, who needs A/C in Sweden? ;)
That's one option I dont have Ian - I have some of the parts and I buy things when I stumble over them. The AC means that the dash has to be completely demounted so I dwell on it  |
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Location: Southern Sweden - Sturkö island | imopar380 - 2013-02-22 6:06 PM
Sven, do the door locks automatically lock when the car starts moving after a few seconds? I once read somewhere in the literature from Chrysler that they engage automatically when the car starts moving.
Absolutely not Ian - the Safe-T-Matic is very analog and purely mechanical. The actuators moves only by the inside toggle switch. You open the drivers door with the key and go inside - then you toggle the switch and open the other three doors (actually all 4 actuators moves, but the drivers door is already locked up).
Then if you wish, you toggle the switch for to lock all doors once all passengers are inside.
Our Sebring 2002 vert and our 300C Touring locks once the speed comes up to 19 mph
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Location: Victoria, BC, on Vancouver Island, Canada | wizard - 2013-02-22 9:26 AM
imopar380 - 2013-02-22 6:06 PM
Sven, do the door locks automatically lock when the car starts moving after a few seconds? I once read somewhere in the literature from Chrysler that they engage automatically when the car starts moving.
Absolutely not Ian - the Safe-T-Matic is very analog and purely mechanical. The actuators moves only by the inside toggle switch. You open the drivers door with the key and go inside - then you toggle the switch and open the other three doors (actually all 4 actuators moves, but the drivers door is already locked up ).
Then if you wish, you toggle the switch for to lock all doors once all passengers are inside.
Our Sebring 2002 vert and our 300C Touring locks once the speed comes up to 19 mph
I'm sure I read it in some old Chrysler literature some time over the past year. Being vacuum actuated you'd think it would be an easy thing to make work when the car starts running and increasing vacuum. I just went through all my literature but I can't find anything. Maybe I was dreaming.....but I'm sure......? If I ever find it I'll be sure to share it.
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Location: Southern Sweden - Sturkö island | To day we celebrate the name day Josefina - I bought my JoseFin today six years ago!
I had so much fun and interesting challanges during those years, and I finally fixed the windshield wipers - now they park correct again
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| Congradulations Wizard, she's a fine looking machine. Love that colour, and those four door hardtops! All those challenges just make our cars that much more enjoyable when we get them fixed |
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Location: Southern Sweden - Sturkö island | They are "Classic Radials" - dont know from which brand/maker. Size P225/75/14 - they have been really good, but they're worn out now. Least here in Sweden, there just arn't any of that dimension left ANYWHERE - so it seems. I will most probably change to 15" rims - not sure yet, but I'm thinking of a modern quality tire in 235/75R15 size. Just feed up with the ultrahigh prices for junktires produced in condemned tire molds by some Asians |
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Location: Perth Australia | Maybe they were not so concerned about bein hijacked in those days
Its not really a common feature on central locking cars here yet.
Most of the cars I have come across that dose have anti hijack, its turned off.
I pesonally dont like being in a locked car, but would like being hijacked even less
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Location: Victoria, BC, on Vancouver Island, Canada | Sven, one day can you make up a You_Tube video showing all your accessories working, including the vacuum locks. I see you finally put in a New Yorker grille as well, looks good.
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Location: Park Hills, KY | Sven.....how do you fix the wipers not parking. My Windsor is doing the same thing. |
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Location: Southern Sweden - Sturkö island | Cmangeot - 2013-03-20 2:52 AM
Sven.....how do you fix the wipers not parking. My Windsor is doing the same thing.
Well, actually, I don't know yet - this is what I did;
Bought a spare wiper motor and a spare variable wiper switch.
Connected the spare variable wiper switch directly to the original motor - same problem
Connected the mounted variable wiper switch to the spare motor - worked well and parked
Connected the spare variable wiper switch to the spare motor - worked well and parked.
Changed the wiper motor and kept the mounted variable wiper switch - works and park.
The problem started when the car was used in rain - seems like moist or water got into the motor? Thereafter the wiper did not park. Put the car in the garage, a couple of days after, the wiper parked nicely again. Worked in this way for a year, then "pof" never parked again.
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Location: Southern Sweden - Sturkö island | New upgrade; Emergency flasher (inspired by Sermey) and Golden Touch converted radio with the self seeking in function. |
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Location: Southern Sweden - Sturkö island | New update on the option list;
Convenience;
Automatic Beamchanger
Auto-Pilot
Mirrormatic
Swivel Seats
6-way Power seat
Power windows
Golden Touch Tone 7-button radio (FM/digital stereo amplifier 4X45W converted with the original search-function renovated)
Rear speaker trim and mesh
Power antenna (aftermarket whatever)
RCA AP-1 Record Changer
Vanity mirror
Dual Exhaust system
Locking Fuel Tank Cap (MoPar)
Rear Cig Lighter Console on center seat
Safety;
Rear defroster
Safe-T-Matic vacuum power door locks
Child Guard Rear door safety locks
Delux Padded Lucite steeringwheel
3-post hooded rearviewmirror, passenger side
4-Way Emergency Flasher (Inspired by Serge)
Fashion/Decor;
Fender ornaments
All chrome inside HT trim
Rear bumper guards
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Location: Southern Sweden - Sturkö island | New update on the option list;
Convenience;
Automatic Beamchanger
Auto-Pilot
Mirrormatic
Swivel Seats
6-way Power seat
Power windows
Golden Touch Tone 7-button radio (FM/digital stereo amplifier 4X45W converted with the original search-function renovated)
Rear speaker trim and mesh
Power antenna (aftermarket whatever)
RCA AP-1 Record Changer
Vanity mirror
Dual Exhaust system
Locking Fuel Tank Cap (MoPar)
Rear Cig Lighter Console on center seat
Electric trunk latch (not an original option, latch from a newer MoPar, inspired by Ian Smale)
Safety;
Rear defroster
Safe-T-Matic vacuum power door locks
Child Guard Rear door safety locks
Delux Padded Lucite steeringwheel
3-post hooded rearviewmirror, passenger side
4-Way Emergency Flasher (Inspired by Serge)
Fashion/Decor;
Fender ornaments
All chrome inside HT trim
Rear bumper guards
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Location: Victoria, BC, on Vancouver Island, Canada | wizard - 2013-03-19 11:49 PM
Cmangeot - 2013-03-20 2:52 AM
Sven.....how do you fix the wipers not parking. My Windsor is doing the same thing.
Well, actually, I don't know yet - this is what I did;
Bought a spare wiper motor and a spare variable wiper switch.
Connected the spare variable wiper switch directly to the original motor - same problem
Connected the mounted variable wiper switch to the spare motor - worked well and parked
Connected the spare variable wiper switch to the spare motor - worked well and parked.
Changed the wiper motor and kept the mounted variable wiper switch - works and park.
The problem started when the car was used in rain - seems like moist or water got into the motor? Thereafter the wiper did not park. Put the car in the garage, a couple of days after, the wiper parked nicely again. Worked in this way for a year, then "pof" never parked again.
When I get some time, I'll open up the original motor for to investigate the problem, repair it and keep the motor as spare.
I had that exact same issue with my ex-1960 Polara when I was driving it as a daily driver back in the 1970s When the car got wet, wipers would not park. When it all dried out, they would park. Now Ron, who owns the car, has had the same issue lately when the car got wet. Dried out, working again. Let us know if and when you find the exact issue. |
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Location: Southern Sweden - Sturkö island | New update on the option list;
Convenience;
Automatic Beamchanger
Auto-Pilot
Mirrormatic
Swivel Seats
6-way Power seat
Power windows
Golden Touch Tone 7-button radio (FM/digital stereo amplifier 4X45W converted with the original search-function renovated)
Rear speaker trim and mesh
Power antenna (aftermarket whatever)
RCA AP-1 Record Changer
Vanity mirror
Dual Exhaust system
Locking Fuel Tank Cap (MoPar)
Rear Cig Lighter Console on center seat
Electric trunk latch (not an original option, latch from a newer MoPar, inspired by Ian Smale)
Alternator, 50 Amp Birdcage with original 1960 option mounting bracket
Safety;
Rear defroster
Safe-T-Matic vacuum power door locks
Child Guard Rear door safety locks
Delux Padded Lucite steeringwheel
3-post hooded rearviewmirror, passenger side
4-Way Emergency Flasher (Inspired by Serge)
Fashion/Decor;
Fender ornaments
All chrome inside HT trim
Rear bumper guards
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Location: Southern Sweden - Sturkö island | The original optional alternator bracket was used for the few cars that was equipped with the new alternator (standard on Valiant).
It seems that MoPar introduced the alternators on the low price Valiants for to test them, but the alternator was available as an option for the bigger cars.
For me, it is a challenge and very interesting to repair and make all these options to work as in the old days.
Below, please see photos of the oem bracket and the homemade connection support between te original generator reinforcement brackets and the alternator bracket. This way there will be most probably never be any problems with the installation.
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Location: Southern Sweden - Sturkö island | I always wondered why the glove compartment lid never opened fully, thus making the cup holder impressions useless, or at a high risk of tipping the coffee into the glove compartment.
Finally, Ian Smale told me that the early production '60 Chryslers actually had a different stopper that allowed full opening of the lid.
The full opening was most probably changed due to the risk of hitting the knees on the lid if the seat was adjusted forward for a short driver.
Kindly, Ian sent me a template, long time ago, thanks' a lot!
I had the template digitlized and had a friend to water-cut out some stoppers.
It wasnt easy to bend the stopper profile properly, so I cut and welded instead.
Now I'll test the new stopper for awhile and see if I like it - most important has been to understand the original function.
You might notice a black ledge on the botton of the glove compartment - that serves for that the things in the glove compartment stays in place even if the lid is open during acceleration.
First two photos is from Ian;
The following photos is from my test mount and they show the big difference;
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Location: So. Cal | Nice job, and good to know. You can easily bend that if you used a torch to heat it first, at the location of the bend. |
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Location: SWITZERLAND | Sven, just add an invisible, intermediate snapper at the original position, using a spring plunger! - SERGE -
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Location: Southern Sweden - Sturkö island | The the plan from the beginning was to have double positions Serge, but there's very limited space, perhaps there's space for double material thickness, but no more.
A spring plunger or a blade spring might be possible to add, but that will have to wait until there's a reason to remove the glove compartment for other services.
Thanks' for the heads-up!
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Location: Ramona, CA | I always wondered why the glove box door didn't open flat. Both of my 1960 Chryslers are from May production. I have an early dash in the garage, I'll have to check it out.
As for the alternator bracket, are there A/C and non-A/C versions? The generator brackets are different. My '60 Imperial is a late production and came with an alternator, but it doesn't use this bracket setup. It uses what 1961 Chryslers had.
I've not seen any bulletins covering retrotitting the alternator to generator cars.
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Location: Southern Sweden - Sturkö island | I can only assume that there must have been versions for A/C and non-A/C Nick. The alternator was an option, at least for the early production cars.
I also assume that the alternators was factory installed, not dealer mounted.
As for the glove box door, my Saratoga was made in february, so the full opening must have been type late 59 |
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Location: Victoria, BC, on Vancouver Island, Canada | wizard - 2023-08-11 4:48 AM
I always wondered why the glove compartment lid never opened fully, thus making the cup holder impressions useless, or at a high risk of tipping the coffee into the glove compartment.
Finally, Ian Smale told me that the early production '60 Chryslers actually had a different stopper that allowed full opening of the lid.
The full opening was most probably changed due to the risk of hitting the knees on the lid if the seat was adjusted forward for a short driver.
Kindly, Ian sent me a template, long time ago, thanks' a lot!
I had the template digitlized and had a friend to water-cut out some stoppers.
It wasnt easy to bend the stopper profile properly, so I cut and welded instead.
Now I'll test the new stopper for awhile and see if I like it - most important has been to understand the original function.
You might notice a black ledge on the botton of the glove compartment - that serves for that the things in the glove compartment stays in place even if the lid is open during acceleration.
First two photos is from Ian;
The following photos is from my test mount and they show the big difference;
Sven, glad you finally got the bracket made up !
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