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Posted 2008-04-02 11:29 AM (#123355)
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Hi All,

Got a nice picture of Miss B. from Bill T. (a.k.a. "Dazzling Dodge") that he allowed me to share.

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Posted 2008-04-02 11:36 AM (#123360 - in reply to #123355)
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The sheet metal that is on that fender seems to be cleaning up, but what about the LACK of metal in the areas where the rustouts occurred (like the frame)? These will definitely need the creation of metal, or replacement parts......
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Posted 2008-04-02 3:18 PM (#123388 - in reply to #123360)
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A heart-warming (worming/burning?) photo....
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Posted 2008-04-02 3:22 PM (#123389 - in reply to #123355)
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..are those gold-painted wheel rims on her?
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Posted 2008-04-02 5:41 PM (#123419 - in reply to #123389)
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d500neil - 2008-04-02 12:22 PM

..are those gold-painted wheel rims on her?


Neil, I think it's just the contrast of the rusty/muddy rim against the cleaned wheelcover that you are seeing. ---John
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Posted 2008-04-04 12:56 AM (#123655 - in reply to #123355)
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I was born at night but not last night. I would have to see pictures of every step it took to get to this point to ever become a believer.

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Posted 2008-04-04 3:02 AM (#123662 - in reply to #123355)
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looks alot better but its gotta be so darn thin , this is gonna take forever , by the time they get this done another 50 years will have past !!!
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Posted 2008-04-04 1:12 PM (#123702 - in reply to #123355)
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I don,t want to Burst any ones Bubble.. But the PIC above is over 2 Months Old......... Since this photo was taken, I don,t think anyone has been allowed to take anymore PIC,s... As Miss Belvy is Awfully Thin,, I think they now realise they should of left her alone..
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Posted 2008-04-04 11:31 PM (#123761 - in reply to #123702)
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...Since this photo was taken, I don,t think anyone has been allowed to take anymore PIC,s...


Anyone, that is... other than "Personal Consultant" Steve Hobby.
He got a chance to feel her up real good.

Probably no pictures since then... The car probably crumbled after he touched her.

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Posted 2008-04-05 4:21 PM (#123816 - in reply to #123761)
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Posted 2008-04-05 7:39 PM (#123842 - in reply to #123355)
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She is not running yet?, wasn’t this rust remover bring her back? I said it when she was still under ground and now: SHE IS GONE, these idiots of Tulsa should put her inside of the courthouse room, and seal the door with bricks or something like they did with that vette inside of a store. Well who could know then, a total lost of a fine automobile.

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Posted 2008-04-05 9:26 PM (#123860 - in reply to #123355)
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You don't want anyone from Tulsa to build your basement, that's for sure!!
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Posted 2008-04-06 12:10 PM (#123935 - in reply to #123860)
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I wonder where they found all the parts to replace those that fell off during the trip to NJ on the open flatbed????

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Posted 2008-04-06 12:33 PM (#123936 - in reply to #123355)
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I guess in the beginning I was under the impression they were going to dunk the whole car..If they are really trying to stop the rusting process how are they going to get to the inside of the sheetmetal without dunking the whole car ? The inside of the rear quarter panels, the fenders, the frame and underbody?? Those areas are probably worse because at least the outside painted areas were supposedly gooped with cosmoline or whatever rust inhibiting stuff they had in those days.. poor miss belvy
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Posted 2008-04-06 3:32 PM (#123958 - in reply to #123355)
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Posted 2008-04-06 6:23 PM (#123988 - in reply to #123355)
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it just seems amateur at best when you see cement blocks being used as jack stands. Added to that, they are laying on their side which is very weak.
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Posted 2008-04-07 12:22 AM (#124028 - in reply to #123988)
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JERSEYBOB - 2008-04-06 5:23 PM it just seems amateur at best when you see cement blocks being used as jack stands. Added to that, they are laying on their side which is very weak.

Amen to that Bro. One of the first things I learned in Auto Mechanics was that cement blocks make poor jackstands and a guy who crawls under his car while he's using them takes his life in his hands.

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Posted 2008-04-07 5:31 AM (#124046 - in reply to #124028)
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OK, a little history lesson here on WHY the car was put into a concrete vault and buried undergraound.
You older guys. What was the worst fear, they were teaching us kids back then? Other, than Polio.
The Cold War! I remember drills of crawling under my desk and 'covering' my head with my hands. (looking back, what ^%$#in' good would that do!?) It was the Russins who were gonna 'nuke' us! The Russians got Sputnick into the space first. Who got controll of sapce could rule the world! That proprganda scared us kids, untill recess.
Look how many fallout shelters were being built underground back in the '50's!
Remember them saying in the bruial description. This bunker/vault could withstand a NUCULAR attack! One rerason a 5 gallon can of gas was installed. They predicted that there was going to be NO world in 2 or 3 years. The Russians were going to take over.
The poeple of Tulsa was more conserned with the car/vault surviving a nucular attack over water leakage. That is why it was buried underground.
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Posted 2008-04-07 5:37 AM (#124047 - in reply to #123355)
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......... go back and look at that Hobby picture I posted, and Fearless' picture above. Other than Hobby standin' there,,,,,, then is no change.
I hate to admit, looking at those blocks scares me! I was taught the correct way to use cemet blocks as jackstands was, the 'web' upright, and a 2 X 8 or 8" wide board on the ground then the cement block, another board, another bolck if necessary and another board between the car frame and block
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Posted 2008-04-07 5:13 PM (#124147 - in reply to #124047)
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OMG!!!!????

You mean to say that the car is NOT "turning to dust " (which was a reason for Ultra- F- Up to get
involved in its 'preservation') ?????

Funny you should mention the Russkies; in my 7/6/57 issue of Life, at home right now, which featured the story
on the burying of Ms. Belvie, I recall that the USSR had an exhibition of their 'consumer-goods' displayed in some
city, which I want to say was Oklahoma City!!






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Posted 2008-04-08 1:11 AM (#124218 - in reply to #123355)
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Ya know-- this whole Miss Belvie deal is a real tragedy. When she came out of the tomb, yes she was a rusted sad sight --but somehow she was still majestic , being lifted from the tomb- coming down the street on a trailer to the auditorium, being unveiled when the curtains opened,. And then the debacle of the unveiling-but she was still of worth even after that. We all (Or most) know the best thing for miss belvie and her owner ( $$$) would to have perserved her and put her on display in a reputable museum, like 57 Heaven- she would have retained her majestical mystique. But NOOOO-greed had to rear its ugly head. What is there now? This car is already altered and its " as unearthed" status can NEVER be brought back. What value is she now to her owner? Even if he wanted to restore her and spend the mucho money to do it--what value would it have other than the story behind it , and that won't buy many tickets to see it. What value to Ultra -one? They screwed up what was left- I don't see any bragging rights on the miraculous rust removal and returning her to original glory. They might be the only profiteers- that is if miss belvie's owner pays them and does not sue them for destroying her. Is she still Miss Belvie after everything but the stainless steel and the hubcaps have been replaced?-----------------Sad--just SAD............................................MO
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Posted 2008-04-08 9:18 AM (#124247 - in reply to #123355)
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Steve is 100% right.

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Posted 2008-04-08 9:42 AM (#124249 - in reply to #123355)
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I'd like to go on record as being against restoration from jump street.

Preservation? Hell yes, IF this stuff would arrest the rusting process and keep her from crumbling to dust.

Think they screwed the pooch on the de-rusting and, thus, have halted pics showing progress?
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Posted 2008-04-08 9:37 PM (#124349 - in reply to #123355)
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Anybody can go see any-old rusted out piece of junk at any wrecking yard (or sometimes, in someone's HOME-yard).

If you wanted to see what Ms. Belvie looked like, after her 50 year slumber (torture?)--IT'S TOO LATE, NOW !!!!

I hope that the family, with the former-dollar-signs in their eyes, is proud, now, of what they have
allowed to be done to the car.














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Posted 2008-04-08 9:51 PM (#124356 - in reply to #123355)
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RINSE IT OFF!! Put it on a skid and put it in a clear plastic block. Like one of those see through blocks with the spider trapped forever.
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Posted 2008-04-27 5:24 AM (#127363 - in reply to #124356)
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Here is the Lastest PIC, ... Ultra F-up ( as Neil Says ) have finished using their Oinment on the Roof,, This stuff is GREAT.. What do you all think of the results,,
















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Posted 2008-04-27 11:23 AM (#127387 - in reply to #123355)
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Posted 2008-04-27 6:38 PM (#127432 - in reply to #123355)
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Anyone seen the interior of Miss B lately?

http://forum.missbelvedere.com/bbs/download.php?id=179&sid=78a4bb0b...
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Posted 2008-04-28 1:17 AM (#127468 - in reply to #127432)
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Well, the steering wheel looks quite nice.
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Posted 2008-04-28 8:17 PM (#127598 - in reply to #123355)
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TOO funny!

At FIRST, I thought that Ultra-None had, indeed, removed the roof!

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Posted 2008-05-15 2:17 PM (#130113 - in reply to #123355)
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Just checked - here's the latest:

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I talked to Dwight
by carguylee on Thu May 15, 2008 12:40 pm

Ok everyone, I was able to talk to Dwight today, and he had some very reasonable answers for what is going on.

First of all he said there hasn't been any work done on Miss Belvedere since the photo of her with the fender looking pretty decent. They have been having a tough time with the caked on stuff that has become like concrete which someone else on here posted. It was good to note though that he said they have a chemist working on it and trying to come up with something to remove that stuff easier.

Second he said that there wasn't any rush to work on her, there are no events scheduled to put a rush on it so they are trying to take their time. He said this summer they plan to get aggressive with trying to work on her, and plan to remove the body from the frame, but that they are treating her as an artifact.

Third he said there hasn't been anything on the website because there hasn't been anything done and they lost their web person and don't have another one yet.

So we have some reasonable answers, he also said that nothing crazy is going on with the car, so no worries there. It's best to give them the benifit of the doubt at this point. So we will hopefully see some progress starting this summer. He also pointed out that they are taking lots of pictures, and that there was a magazine out there recently too, I forgot to write down the name of it.

So I guess it's wait and see time again.carguylee

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Linkage: http://forum.missbelvedere.com/bbs/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=192&sid=7072...

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Posted 2008-05-15 2:26 PM (#130116 - in reply to #130113)
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..Define "crazy".....
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Posted 2008-05-15 2:43 PM (#130118 - in reply to #130116)
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..Define "crazy".....


Removing Body from Frame......
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Posted 2008-05-15 2:57 PM (#130119 - in reply to #130116)
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..Define "crazy".....


1) Attempting to restore Miss Belvedere...
2) Allowing Steve Hobby within 100 yards of this car...

And those are just a couple of things we already KNOW about.

Of course, the list could go on and on regarding "crazy" behaviour around the car...
Including, but not limited to the following actions:

* Proposing marriage to Miss Belvedere (and/or attempting to consummate said union)...
* Cutting the car in half with a sawzall...
* Dancing naked around the car when nobody is looking...
* Tossing a lighted sign on the roof of the car and using her to deliver pizzas...
* Holding a seance to contact the displaced spirit of Miss Belvedere...
* Inviting a faith healer to lay hands on Miss Belvedere...

-NM

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Posted 2008-05-15 3:20 PM (#130134 - in reply to #130119)
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d500neil - 2008-05-15 2:26 PM

..Define "crazy".....


* Inviting a faith healer to lay hands on Miss Belvedere...

-NM


Didn,t They Try That....!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Posted 2008-05-16 5:15 AM (#130213 - in reply to #123355)
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Hehe, they are sure that there is a body and a frame that can be separated :D
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Posted 2008-05-16 4:16 PM (#130277 - in reply to #130213)
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At this point in the debacle, I hope/expect that the car will be parted out, eventually.

What a frigging-shame.....
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Posted 2008-05-16 6:04 PM (#130314 - in reply to #123355)
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I can see the AD Now..

" Own you Very Own Piece of Miss Belvedere. "...

How many lot,s ( pieces ) do you reckon will be for Sale to cover the Costs of Tranportation and F-ck-up to NJ..

The Winner Owner should of done the RightFul thing and taken the $300,000 and sold it to the Museum..
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Posted 2008-05-16 8:20 PM (#130321 - in reply to #123355)
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Posted 2008-05-16 8:38 PM (#130322 - in reply to #123355)
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Yeah, I personally wanted preservation so the rusting process could at least be arrested or even halted - don't support restoration at all.
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Posted 2008-05-18 3:23 AM (#130436 - in reply to #123355)
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Another update - who wants to see pics now? :

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Update
by hotrodpierre on Sat May 17, 2008 11:00 pm

Hey Guys,
Long time lurker, first time poster. I too have been frustrated by the lack of news on Miss Belvedere, so thanks to one of the gents on this board, I sent an email to The Tulsa World and just got a response from Randy Krehbiel, here is his response.

"Jake:

I am planning a follow up story for next month, the anniversary of the "dig." I have talked to Dwight Foster a couple of times, including this week, and seen some fairly recent photos of the car. They do seem to be making some progress, but very slowly. Foster told me this week the frame has completely failed and he's going to transfer the body to another Belvedere frame."

So it looks like she is not fairing as well as we thought. Chime in.

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Posted 2008-05-18 2:38 PM (#130468 - in reply to #123355)
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...Foster told me this week the frame has completely failed and he's going to transfer the body to another Belvedere frame."

Well DUH! We could have told the Ultra-Dud dodos that was going to happen last June! Corrosion that was so bad that it crumbled the rear leaf springs and left them in pieces in the vault must have been attacking the frame too. It's lucky that the car didn't break in half while it was being transported to the convention hall!

If the corrosion was that bad, what makes Ultra-Dud and Steve Hobby think it'll be possible to separate the frame from the body to slide a new solid Belvedere frame underneath it and not have the body fold up like a piece of used aluminium foil? Mark my words, they're going to be selling the rusty remains by the bucket-load to the incredulous before they're done f**king with it.

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Posted 2008-05-18 4:52 PM (#130476 - in reply to #123355)
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LATEST NEWS MISS BELVEDERE HAS BEEN FOUND
RESTORED AND PARKED UP AT THE HEMSBY
ROCK N ROLL WEEKENDER OR IS THIS ONE A 58 LOL ?

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Posted 2008-05-18 8:00 PM (#130492 - in reply to #124356)
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I hope I can put some of the speculation to rest. Last week I had a business trip to the Big Apple and on Friday decided to visit Ultra One with the hopes of seeing Miss Belvedere again. I met with Dwight Foster for well over an hour and was able to take as many pictures of the car as I wanted. (Please excuse the pix' quality, the only thing I had was a disposable camera!!) I'll post some of them here and will put the rest of them in an album here when I have time. Everything echoed by Dwight in earlier posts in this thread he told me. (No progress pictures because he lost his website guy, the clay hardened to concrete, no rush to work on her....) The first picture on this thread, posted by Fearless, is basically how the car looks today, (except the hood is off). It still covered in the concrete-like clay which Dwight sees as one of his greatest obstacles toward refurbishment. It's still sitting on the concrete blocks. A donor car (Savoy) was found in North Carolina and will serve as a replacement frame as well as other replacement parts. As for the plans for the car, Dwight told me that the sole goal of the owner and Ultra One is to get the car running and driving under its own power with as much of her originality as possible intact. There are no plans to restore her beyond this point. Dwight is aware of the comments made on the Ultra One forum and emphasized that it is not his intention to keep anyone in the dark RE Miss B's progress. As I stated above he does not have a website person and only has limited human resources to do the work in his shop. As for an unveiling the owner hopes to return Miss B next summer to Tulsa and have her unveiled on top of the vault at the courthouse. He has been in touch with Paula Hale, Sharon King Davis et al about another "Tulsarama". The car would then go on tour to venues such as Carlisle. Dwight said he welcomes visitors to Ultra One and has nothing to hide. He's extremely personable and welcomes all questions. As for my intentions, all I wanted was to see the car, (I had no hidden agenda!)! As the pictures below will show, they have been able to clean up the right fender quite a bit. It appeared pretty solid; the best way to describe the finish of the fender is a comparison to river rocks which are imbedded in concrete used in driveways and patios. I think you can see what I mean in the photo. They cleaned up a piece of a valve cover and got it remarkably clean. You can also see the results on the radiator cap as well as other areas such as the steering wheel. The dashboard has been cleaned enough to confirm that the car has 4 miles on it. The Jiffy Jet bag was in good shape and you can still read the MOPAR logo on the battery (it was never disconnected). I also saw the cowl tag, (the tag just under the hood right above the master cylinder) and the number on it is 9421. They have not yet opened the drivers door to see the VIN tag. There is a hole in the roof, a hole in the right rear panel above the wheel and quite a few holes in the valance between the rear fender and trunk. I was amazed at how well they were able to clean the wheel covers; they have also been in the trunk and salvaged the spare tire as well as the jack and other items, (they found another Schlitz can). The gentleman in the photo of the donor car is Dwight. Enjoy the pix; shoot me any ?? you may have.....

Mike

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Posted 2008-05-18 8:54 PM (#130494 - in reply to #130492)
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Another note:

Many of you have probably seen the recreation in a hangar of the fuselage of TWA 800, the 747 which crashed in the Atlantic shortly after takeoff from JFK about 10 years ago. Dwight noted that they have salvaged quite a bit of the car's interior upholstery and hope to "recreate" and put on display with the car the interior with the original fabric much like TWA 800. (Although they're planning on using as much of the original interior as they can, (seat supports etc), in the "refurbished" car.

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Posted 2008-05-18 9:09 PM (#130496 - in reply to #123355)
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Good on ya, Mike! I know if I was on a business trip, my spare time would be down to nil. Thanks much, guy!!!

Just what I was afraid of, though - she sat too long without any treatment whatsoever to arrest the rusting process. Now, she's as brittle as attic newspaper and they're gonna end up crumpling her by attempting to set her on a new frame at this point.
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Posted 2008-05-18 9:13 PM (#130497 - in reply to #130496)
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Yea I don't know how they plan on getting that frame under her....Dwight did say he wished he would have gotten the car before the clay had hardened to concrete and had been able to rinse that stuff off!!!

Mike

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Thanks Mike for the report and pics. At last, I feel we got some very credible information. At this point, the only thing they CAN do is replace the frame. Did you see the condition or if there was any floor pams left? My bet is that they can support the body well enough to roll the frame under it. Especially if there are floor braces still there......................................MO
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Posted 2008-05-19 2:22 AM (#130527 - in reply to #130509)
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Steve, can't really comment on the condition of the floor pans. I can say the rear quarters are pretty thin as evidenced by the holes which have popped up since Tulsarama. The glass has also been etched by the water and clay but Dwight thinks he may be able to clean it up somewhat. He also plans to use the trunk lid braces and trunk torsion bars from the donor car to replace those on Miss B......
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Posted 2008-05-19 6:06 AM (#130544 - in reply to #123355)
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Where are the pictures of you on the floor... looking up under her with a spotlight?
If you had been able to take a picture like THAT, we could've called you a "consultant," too!

Great post, Mike... Good to hear (and SEE) what's actually going on with the car up there.
Thanks for the update!

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Posted 2008-05-19 9:34 AM (#130560 - in reply to #130544)
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Too bad you weren't there Nathan, as our resident journalist you would have asked all the right questions!

Also, if you're wondering why no photo of the entire car...it's because it's in a 4 bay garage with two other cars. All the materials (worklights, etc) and some parts (hood, for example), for Miss B surround the car and would make a clear shot photo impossible.


Mike

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Posted 2008-05-19 2:08 PM (#130589 - in reply to #123355)
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This idea (of "restoring" the car, or getting it "driveable no-matter-what-the-cost-to-try-to-save-face") is so obscenely
funny, if it weren't so tragic, is beyond belief.

DRIVEABLE?

"PLAYOFFS...Are you kidding me; DRIVEABLE??" (sorry, can't get enuf of that rant by pro-American-football coach Jim Mora!)

How much of the original artifact would have to be destroyed, inn order to make it become "driveable"?

WHOA-----MAJOR 'Nam flashback going on, here; ' this sound familiar? : "We had to destroy the village in order to save it"
- Gen Wm. Westmoreland.







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Posted 2008-05-19 2:21 PM (#130592 - in reply to #123355)
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Mark, the present-"exposed" condition of the car, that we are seeing, has absolutely NOTHING to do with the lack of
any "preservation", or rust-treatments that the car 'could' have received immediately after it was un-earthed.

What we are seeing is merely what was HIDDEN from view by the accumulated patina/corrosion/etc that had developed
over 50-years' time.

It took no Superman X-ray vision to know, immediately, that the car was in a state of magnificent desolation, and that it
should have been preserved, as-was, as an historical artifact.

The Family & Ultra-F-U-C-K-Up thought that the car could be financially exploited, but, in the best O. Henry irony, they only
succeeded in destroying any historical, and probably monetary, value that the car may have possessed.







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Posted 2008-05-19 3:00 PM (#130606 - in reply to #123355)
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After Various Parts are Replaced to turn " Miss Belv " into a Ordinary Rolling Restore, And Ultra and Earned the $$$$ parading it around the Country, WHAT THEN ??????????? As putting it in a Museum THEN ain,t gonna work.. Because FACT,, It ain,t no longer " As it came out of the Tomb " , It is just ANOTHER 57 Plymouth with a FEW Original "Miss Belve" Parts Fitted..

SAD.... So SAD.... $$$$$$$$$ rule the Brain Again , and a Genuine Piece of American History / Artifact is Destroyed in the Process..

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Posted 2008-05-19 11:36 PM (#130700 - in reply to #130492)
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GREAT PICS MIKE!!!!
Well I was told that MoPars of this era never had MoPar batteries, they had Willards or something. Always sounded strange to me, but it was from one of the most respected MoPar gurus on the planet. The Tulsa Plymouth could reveal so many truths-I hope they don't pull her apart too much, or all this history will be lost and reassembled incorrectly.
Was the battery embossed with the MoPar logo? Is there any way we could get to see a pic of that battery in good detail? Do you have any contact with the current caretaker?
Thanks,
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Posted 2008-05-20 7:36 AM (#130731 - in reply to #123355)
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Glenn, the battery does have a MOPAR logo on it...

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Posted 2008-05-20 12:27 PM (#130757 - in reply to #130731)
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My57Saratoga - 2008-05-20 6:36 AM Glenn, the battery does have a MOPAR logo on it... Mike
Not that it matters NOW, but I wonder why the Tulsarama officials didn't remove the battery before they put the car in the vault? They were supposed to do so according to their own story, but it definatly was still connected when I saw the car in Tulsa at the convention center last year.
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Posted 2008-05-20 3:13 PM (#130795 - in reply to #130492)
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Nice pictures Mike - it makes me sad to look at them though! I always wanted them to leave her be just as she was found.
It's amazing how the interior is like almost vaporised.
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Posted 2008-05-20 3:33 PM (#130802 - in reply to #123355)
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You know there is a point where something is so far gone that is futile to even attempt to rescue it. I would say this poor car falls into the same catergory as the Titanic. It's a shame this one never even really took a maiden voyage. I think it should be sent to rest with the Titanic.

I have been following this story for some time since this car was resurrected. I thought it was nothing more than a ploy for free publicity when Ultra took the car on. I also know from looking at the pics there is no way ever this car will run again with any of it's original parts. How do they plan on driving the pistons out of the cylinder bores? Even the valve covers have rust holes in them. I had a marine engine that sat with water in it for a week and it was nearly impossible to get the pistons out, they were froze solid. How tight do you think that thing is after a fifty year dunk in the water.

While no good deed goes unpunished neither does a ploy for free cheap publicity. Glad I am not involved in any way with this mess
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Posted 2008-05-20 3:43 PM (#130805 - in reply to #123355)
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Welcome to the ForwardLook Network, Bob.
There are several folks here that share your sentiments... and even a few more optimistic views here and there.

As a new member, this is an interesting place to put your first post...
Nonetheless, we look forward to getting to know you better.

Please complete your user profile... Let us know where you're from and what you're into.
Im assuming you have a gold duster with a 360... but please tell us more about yourself.

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Posted 2008-05-20 3:45 PM (#130807 - in reply to #123355)
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Welcome to the gang Bob! It would be nice if you update your profile with your location - it would help you and us others. I agree totally with your point of view about Miss Belvedere.
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Posted 2008-05-25 7:32 PM (#131535 - in reply to #123355)
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What a sad view, drivable? What joke, trims, hubcaps, glass and lenses is the only thing drivable. Poor donor Savoy, is not really a donor, Tulsa car is the real donor here. What a f**k up owner she encountered after 50 years in the water.

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Posted 2008-05-25 10:57 PM (#131554 - in reply to #131535)
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Yeah, it's sad and ironic how stupid and greedy the winning Family was, in relation to what shall have become of the car, compared to what the car represented in its as-unearthed condition.





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Posted 2008-05-25 11:56 PM (#131558 - in reply to #123355)
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Posted 2008-05-26 11:53 AM (#131624 - in reply to #131558)
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It could have been worse :laugh:


That's freakin' hilarious, Larry.
Good one!

(Did you photoshop that... or is it from the Boyd archives? LOL)

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Posted 2008-05-26 11:57 AM (#131625 - in reply to #123355)
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Posted 2008-05-26 12:46 PM (#131635 - in reply to #123355)
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Larry that was exactly that i was expecting to find, but with the block and trans in the bottom. We all get something good of all this tragedy, and is that Mopar batteries came with the car when new, (Opps Gary), you have to retype you catalog :), and second you don’t give a piece of history (to someone who never was interested in old cars) to do whatever he want with it.

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Posted 2008-06-19 4:35 AM (#134781 - in reply to #123355)
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I think that Biss B. comes with a bad engine and the deales says, okay, what possibilities we have.... LET's find a grave for it.

After months of waiting for Miss Belvedere and see what they did I'm shocked!

At the beginning they have 2 possibilities. First to

x) put it into a Museum and let it as it is, maybe like a light bulb under glas with a special gas inside to stop rust
x) made a FULL restore of the car, paint it in Chistine red, tint the glases black and go to the next Plymouth meeting

What they did is bad to the history, it's the same if your dog die, he is dead you should not try to wash his coat put something inside and stay it next to your bed, or give him new feets to make it "drive...." ahhh sorry, I mean "walkable"....

Please do not misunderstand me, I love the 57 and 58 Plymouth and I'm very happy if I see anyone drive around, but there are some borders who should not be overshoot....


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Posted 2008-06-19 6:40 PM (#134837 - in reply to #134781)
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Yes, Ranier, and the tragedy is that is IS too late, now, to save the car as an historical artifact.

If the car is cobbled-together, somehow, it's going to be a laughingstock Frankenstein-mobile......

I say: put it out of its misery, now, and just part-it-out.





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Posted 2008-06-19 6:53 PM (#134841 - in reply to #134837)
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I'll take the stainless moldings and the glass....!

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Posted 2008-06-19 8:10 PM (#134862 - in reply to #123355)
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dont forget the lenses and hubcaps, and the crack free steering wheel!!!

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Posted 2008-06-19 9:38 PM (#134876 - in reply to #134862)
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There are quite a few really nice individual parts on her; look at the vent window assemblies..
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FURY - 2008-06-19 5:53 PM I'll take the stainless moldings and the glass....! :)

Isn't the glass etched beyond repair by the action of the water over the years? On the other hand, the stainless mouldings should still be good and maybe the chrome bumpers as well. One of Codpiece's grease monkeys tried to shine a bit of the front bumper for the unveiling at the arena on the 15th of June last year.





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Posted 2008-06-21 7:22 PM (#135115 - in reply to #135106)
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Posted 2008-06-21 7:48 PM (#135127 - in reply to #123355)
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Nice one, Clive.
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Posted 2008-06-29 6:58 PM (#135980 - in reply to #123355)
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TNPx8jKX1fA

Posted by our friend Manos on CCC. Looks like something I'd be willing to go back to Tulsa to see again.
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Posted 2008-06-30 5:48 PM (#136060 - in reply to #123355)
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I'd like to go back and see the car with the dirt rinsed off of it. Looks like D White just wants to clean it up some. Surely Neil doesn't have a problem with that
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Posted 2008-07-01 7:39 AM (#136120 - in reply to #123355)
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I don't have a problem with that. And I hate the thought of restoring it more than Neil.

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Posted 2008-07-01 2:46 PM (#136155 - in reply to #136120)
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Yeah, right; I wouldn't mind going back to T-town, but if I never see whatever comes out of Ultra-F-Up, again,
I'll still die contented...at least I got to see what it REALLY looked like, after lying for 50 years, in its dungeon.





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Posted 2008-07-01 3:03 PM (#136156 - in reply to #123355)
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I dunno...

I was pleasantly surprised to see how well the car responded to being lifted so far off the ground again.
Wonder how they were able to do that without buckling what's left of the frame?

Also, the clean-up job DOES look pretty impressive.
Not to sound like I'm crossing over, but the story leads me to believe the car MAY actually be in good hands.

It will never be "perfect" again... nor will it ever be untouched.
Meanwhile, I think it could still make a nice touring artifact or museum display in the future.

-NM

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Posted 2008-07-01 3:45 PM (#136159 - in reply to #136156)
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Well, how much of the original car would you be willing to accept as representing the actual car that went INTO the dungeon?

Why not display any-olde 57 Plymmie, and say that "this" is what Ms. Belvie (kinda) looked like, when she was entombed?

Adding ANYTHING to the car ruins its originality, and it was in original condition, up until 6/15/07.

It could be argued that removing the patina reveals her "real-condition".

What does ADDING anything to her prove ? That it CAN be done? Whoopee.








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Posted 2008-07-01 4:33 PM (#136172 - in reply to #136159)
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It could be argued that removing the patina reveals her "real-condition".


Whoa, Neil...
Calm down and grab a paper bag to breathe into before you have a conniption hemhorrage!

It COULD also be argued that removing the car from the ground (and it's "protective" bag) also compromised the "real condition". Should she have been left in the hole, too? Reburied perhaps? I think not.

What's done is done... and (perhaps unfortunately) what's undone is just that as well.

I'm not keen on the notion of replacing any parts... Meanwhile, I can see the value of cleaning the car enough to show what's left of the original paint, etc.

-NM

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Posted 2008-07-01 4:55 PM (#136175 - in reply to #136172)
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Yeah, hehheh; I was NOT as 'exercised' as my typing might suggest, above; there SHOULD be an icon
designating resigned-disgust-and-frustration, as opposed to mere righteous anger...

What will Ms. Belvie's new-name be : FRANKEN-car???? Robo-car? Miss Zombie? Oklahoma CRUDE????


How about : CHRISTINE-AH ?






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Posted 2008-07-02 12:01 PM (#136248 - in reply to #136175)
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What will Ms. Belvie's new-name be : FRANKEN-car???? Robo-car? Miss Zombie? Oklahoma CRUDE????


I vote for "CRUST-ine"!


-NM
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Posted 2008-07-02 12:45 PM (#136253 - in reply to #136248)
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Just sucks it was a 2dr hd top in that hole in the ground.....She coulda been a contenda'..

Converted to '58, painted red and white, Crust-tine lives!
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Posted 2008-10-05 7:38 AM (#146956 - in reply to #123355)
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So - about 3 months and no progress reports whatsoever.

Think she's in pieces now? Waiting for a grand unveiling?

Just being lazy?
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Posted 2008-10-05 8:09 PM (#147014 - in reply to #146956)
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Mark, no news is....no news.

Ultra F-Up will forever be known as being the person/company that was too greedy-stupid to
leave the car alone, and which attempted to
alter its appearance, for its own promotional gain, at the expense of a unique historical artifact.

Scroom.

But, how do I really feel, about this matter?












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Posted 2008-10-05 9:26 PM (#147021 - in reply to #147014)
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Neil, they prolly got that d@mn thing running by now.....I bet you'd sh*t if they did....
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Posted 2008-10-05 10:17 PM (#147023 - in reply to #147021)
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Yeah, Chaney; you got THAT right...

The interior, alone, just needed a dab of Ultra-None's "Magic Time-Travel" elixr.

Suddenly: it's 1957....





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Here is a link to some recent info with video:

miss belevedere

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Posted 2008-10-05 11:55 PM (#147038 - in reply to #123355)
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Thanks, George.

Unfortunately, that's from about 3 1/2 months ago - my curiosity stems from wanting to find out exactly what the hell Ultra One is trying to hide, especially after being promised regular updates.
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Posted 2008-10-06 12:59 PM (#147072 - in reply to #123355)
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I loosely followed the Miss Belvedere saga and I have a couple of questions. Firstly, has anyone here tried this Ultra-One derusting agent? The photos on their website look pretty convincing as to how well it works. Second, who is this Steve Hobby? His name has been associated with this topic quite a bit.
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DeSotoDiva - 2008-10-06 12:59 AM

Second, who is this Steve Hobby? His name has been associated with this topic quite a bit.


Oh, GOOD LORD! Here comes the 'fireworks' I'm heading for the fallout shelter! Be back up in a year or so, after this dies down. (or I run outta moonshine. Whichever comes first) I surly don't want to be caught in the 'crossfire'

Since you are a newbie,,,,,

To some, this guy is a saint, and will give the shirt off his back.
To others, he is worse than holy hell itself, and will take the shirt off your back.
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Second, who is this Steve Hobby? His name has been associated with this topic quite a bit.



Search WAY back in the forums, and you be the judge....I wasn't here for the "Hobby" fiasco, but heard it was bad.......
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Posted 2008-10-06 9:23 PM (#147152 - in reply to #123355)
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Well, I still do not see where Steve Hobby or Dwight Foster have done anything wrong where Miss Belvedere is concerned. I do not know these gentlemen and I will not pass judgement on them, yet. Maybe I am naive, but what has happened here?
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there's only one way i know of to get off the "concrete" without destroying the metal from overscrubbing.

my pickup gets bugs baked on over the course of the summer.  likewise, the same oklahoma clay collects on my vehicles just like it did the belvy.  however, i've noticed that on mornings when the cars are drenched in dew, all the baked-on goo is easily removable.  the car must be kept for some time in an atmosphere with 100% humidity (like the one it stayed in for half a century?) to soften the stuff up.  just wetting it with a hose doesn't do the trick.  it's gotta get wet and STAY wet, so that the goo is permeated by moisture.

how you "re-frame" a car that rusted a rear spring in half without moving is beyond me, though.

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Posted 2008-10-13 8:37 PM (#148018 - in reply to #147948)
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I agree 59savoy.Dwight said to me when I visited Miss B. that they should have kept her wet when they pulled her out of the "tomb".Kinda like when divers recover artifacts from the sea,they immediately imerse the artifacts back into water to avoid further damage.
The Tulsa organizers probably did not know that the mud would harden up like it did.
This makes Dwight's job three time harder (no pun intended! LOl)
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Posted 2008-10-14 8:01 AM (#148058 - in reply to #147105)
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To some, this guy is a saint, .


a SAINT?! to whom?! one has to be pretty sick to consider hobby as a saint.
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Posted 2008-10-14 7:41 PM (#148188 - in reply to #148058)
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To some, this guy is a saint, .


a SAINT?! to whom?! one has to be pretty sick to consider hobby as a saint.


Could you elaborate just a wee bit on what you said? Or are you a simple keyboard bully. I simply want to know what all of the ruffled feathers are about. Does Hobby work for U-1? Mr. Canuck, what is your take on the condition of the car?

No offense boys, I'm just curious.
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Posted 2008-10-16 12:30 AM (#148409 - in reply to #123355)
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DesotoDiva,the car's frame is toast.However,the floor pans survived.Being under water,the highest points like over the rear axle and under the front fenders are MINT.Probably from air pockets.
Visiting her in August,and seeing some work done,the Ultra One product does work.
The car is an artifact.A museum piece.As a car she is in tough shape,but as a 50-year publicity stunt,she is a sucsess.I had seen cars in worse condition get restored up here in the Great White North!
Mr.Hobby does not work for Ultra One but like me a firm believer in the product.I have been using it on my Newport project with positive results.
MY visit with Miss B was special...I was not alone either,all the people in 1957 who signed the tires,touched and sat on her,and watched get buried were there..Creepy feeling but a good one.

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Posted 2008-10-23 7:15 PM (#149389 - in reply to #148409)
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Dwight, your personal feelings toward the effectiveness of Ultra None, aside, this poor car will never become a "Museum"
piece, as true museums (like the national Automobile Museum, in Reno) are interested in displaying original artifacts (or,
items in as-original-as-possible condition, like that of re-assembled pottery shards, etc).

In its as-unearthed condition, it could have been a centerpiece of the N.A.M.'s collection, similar to that of the as-raced
1909 Thomas Flyer, which won the Around The World Race and which is displayed in a nice diorama, there.

Once Ultra F-Up is done doing whatever-it-wants to do with the remains of the car, it will become essentially worthless as
representing any historical artifact.

How interesting would the Bonnie & Clyde Death Car be, if it were to have been RESTORED (which, from it's as-bullet-
riddled condition, COULD have been restored, to as-new condition)???

Ultra-Bungle has attempted to 'restore' (what a joke!) the car, for its own professional gain, in contradiction to what the
car truly represented, in its REAL "original" as-unearthed condition.

Anyone who saw the car, in person, in Tulsa , was truly emotionally affected by the car's appearance.

It would have been a HUGE 'draw', as a museum attraction.

With the proper lighting and isolated diorama display, in its own display room, its appearance and visual
effect, from all its unique colors and textures, and its physical condition, would have been overpowering
to the senses. Everything around the car should be in darkness, with the car alone being directly
spot-lighted.

Maybe Clive, or someone, could post some pics of the car, as displayed in Tulsa, on this thread
(hopefully, with my own un-real rear-view of the car, to demonstrate what I'm trying to say, here).















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Posted 2008-10-24 12:09 AM (#149416 - in reply to #149389)
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I don't think it could have been better stated!! I felt the emotion in Tulsa too. Hurrah for Neil!

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I don't see how it could be said better Neil. I was there and I know that feeling you describe. How can the owner get any satisfaction in what has happened to Miss Belvie? To bad they did not ever experience that feeling, maybe she would still have her dignity...............MO
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Posted 2008-10-24 1:59 AM (#149427 - in reply to #149421)
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Ah, shucks; the truth is the truth.

"The Family" was not in Tulsa.

Too bad, for everyone.



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Posted 2008-10-24 12:39 PM (#149453 - in reply to #149389)
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d500neil - 2008-10-23 7:15 PM Dwight, your personal feelings toward the effectiveness of Ultra None, aside, this poor car will never become a "Museum" piece, as true museums (like the national Automobile Museum, in Reno) are interested in displaying original artifacts (or, items in as-original-as-possible condition, like that of re-assembled pottery shards, etc). In its as-unearthed condition, it could have been a centerpiece of the N.A.M.'s collection, similar to that of the as-raced 1909 Thomas Flyer, which won the Around The World Race and which is displayed in a nice diorama, there. Once Ultra F-Up is done doing whatever-it-wants to do with the remains of the car, it will become essentially worthless as representing any historical artifact. How interesting would the Bonnie & Clyde Death Car be, if it were to have been RESTORED (which, from it's as-bullet- riddled condition, COULD have been restored, to as-new condition)??? Ultra-Bungle has attempted to 'restore' (what a joke!) the car, for its own professional gain, in contradiction to what the car truly represented, in its REAL "original" as-unearthed condition. Anyone who saw the car, in person, in Tulsa , was truly emotionally affected by the car's appearance. It would have been a HUGE 'draw', as a museum attraction. With the proper lighting and isolated diorama display, in its own display room, its appearance and visual effect, from all its unique colors and textures, and its physical condition, would have been overpowering to the senses. Everything around the car should be in darkness, with the car alone being directly spot-lighted. Maybe Clive, or someone, could post some pics of the car, as displayed in Tulsa, on this thread (hopefully, with my own un-real rear-view of the car, to demonstrate what I'm trying to say, here).

 

I am allitle confused here.  Have you ever used Ultra 1?  Have you ever met Dwight?  Reading back through the history, it doesn't look like it.  How can you make statements like that?

I used this stuff on my Rusty convertible.  I am amazed.

Now I forgot why I came here today



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Posted 2008-10-24 4:14 PM (#149481 - in reply to #149453)
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d500neil - 2008-10-23 7:15 PM

 

I am allitle confused here.    Reading back through the history, How can you make statements like that?

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Now I forgot why I came here today




See there is the Problem... I suggest you Read the Posts Again,, NO-ONE is saying the Product Doesn,t Work...

What is being said is , ULTRA are USING Miss Belvedere to Promote their Product at the Expense of Destroying A Piece of American History which will NEVER be Duplicated.. We where There in Tulsa to See It, So are talking Fact...
Why didn,t Ultra go pull a Old Car from Any Yard and use their Product on it.???? May it was because no -one would hardly pay attention, But by touching a piece of Irreplacable History , The world is Watching.. BUT all they are doing by attempting to Clean and Replace parts on Miss Belvedere is to Destroy History.. The Plymouth is a 1 of 1, Should be in a Museum as it was Pulled from the Tomb..

Write it and shout anyway you want,, It is a Fact that the Plymouth is now just another car being partly restored.. And it,s Value has been Halved.. Remember they are changing the Frame, Seats and Probably all the running Gear... When finished the Stainless will be all that,s Original.

Their Product is to remove RUST.. Miss Belverdere is only held together by RUST..

Oh , and welcome to the Forwardlook Forum,,
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Anyone who saw the car, in person, in Tulsa , was truly emotionally affected by the car's appearance.

Maybe Clive, or someone, could post some pics of the car, as displayed in Tulsa, on this thread
(hopefully, with my own un-real rear-view of the car, to demonstrate what I'm trying to say, here).





OK.. There are 2 Pages of PIC,s on this Link..
http://www.forwardlook.net/forums/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=15510&...

1 Page of PICs on this Link
http://www.forwardlook.net/forums/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=15662&...
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d500neil - 2008-10-24 12:15 AM



Anyone who saw the car, in person, in Tulsa , was truly emotionally affected by the car's appearance.

Maybe Clive, or someone, could post some pics of the car, as displayed in Tulsa, on this thread
(hopefully, with my own un-real rear-view of the car, to demonstrate what I'm trying to say, here).





OK.. There are 2 Pages of PIC,s on this Link..
http://www.forwardlook.net/forums/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=15510&...

1 Page of PICs on this Link
http://www.forwardlook.net/forums/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=15662&...

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Posted 2008-10-24 4:57 PM (#149493 - in reply to #149481)
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d500neil - 2008-10-23 7:15 PM

 

I am allitle confused here.    Reading back through the history, How can you make statements like that?

.

Now I forgot why I came here today

See there is the Problem... I suggest you Read the Posts Again,, NO-ONE is saying the Product Doesn,t Work... What is being said is , ULTRA are USING Miss Belvedere to Promote their Product at the Expense of Destroying A Piece of American History which will NEVER be Duplicated.. We where There in Tulsa to See It, So are talking Fact... Why didn,t Ultra go pull a Old Car from Any Yard and use their Product on it.???? May it was because no -one would hardly pay attention, But by touching a piece of Irreplacable History , The world is Watching.. BUT all they are doing by attempting to Clean and Replace parts on Miss Belvedere is to Destroy History.. The Plymouth is a 1 of 1, Should be in a Museum as it was Pulled from the Tomb.. Write it and shout anyway you want,, It is a Fact that the Plymouth is now just another car being partly restored.. And it,s Value has been Halved.. Remember they are changing the Frame, Seats and Probably all the running Gear... When finished the Stainless will be all that,s Original. Their Product is to remove RUST.. Miss Belverdere is only held together by RUST.. Oh , and welcome to the Forwardlook Forum,,

 That's not my impression.  Being a new guy here, he left hints that the product doesn't work, the car is in poor hands, all sorts of twisted messages.  I don't think that is right.  I saw no indication this guy is an authority on the car or the product.  Don't you think it was the true owner of the cars decision?  I believe the owner has the right, don't they? I  just like to do what is fair and right for all.  I have not read that anywhere so far.   So I personally take exception to his comments.  But from I can see, it doesn't seem matter what I think. 

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Yes Chris, everyone is intitled to an opinion . Thing is- probably 95 out of 100 opinions is that Miss Belvie should not have been altered from how she came out of the tomb. This is the only car like it in the world. History has been changed by someone who was only interested in promoting themselves and their product. It's just that some express their outrage more than others. To late to do anything about it now except to remind Dwight how selfish he was. His product may be good, but it doesn't work miricles........................MO
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Posted 2008-10-24 11:28 PM (#149537 - in reply to #149453)
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NOPE..... It is PLAIN and SIMPLE. The car should have been kept as it WAS! Obviously, you were not in TULSA.
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Posted 2008-10-25 1:37 AM (#149541 - in reply to #123355)
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I was not in Tulsa for the unveiling (I watched on-line),however,I did have an opportunity to see her in Dwight's shop.
She is a sight to behold,regardless.Not to mention the feeling you get looking at her.
Neil,have you met Dwight personally?? If not,I would suggest you set your opinions aside and go to Hackettstown,NJ and visit him and Miss B.
Maybe that would change your opinion of him and the car.It is a small shop where you can have a one-on-one with both Dwight and the car.
Dwight is helping--on the behalf of the winning owner's family-- to preserve what's left of a famous 1957 Plymouth for all of of us to enjoy.
Without treatment,she would continue rusting and crumble into pieces in no time after being exposed to fresh air,IMO.
The owner's family is thinking of her best interest.Dwight is only doing as he was asked to do.
Anybody who pulled a car out of a lake would have it towed to the scrap heap.
Not this one.Too much history behind it despite her current condition.
She is getting a royal treatment to avoid any further decomposition--even if that may require replacing parts-- so be it.
Neil,if you want to save the original 303 Poly ,you go down there and work on it to free it up.Dwight would love to see you do that since he is a one man show after all.
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Posted 2008-10-25 3:17 PM (#149567 - in reply to #149541)
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Dwight, from your description of him, I would apparently love to have an intimate relationship with a businessman who
is so short-sighted and unaware of historical importance, and uncaring about preserving a unique automotive artifact
that he would effectively tomb-raid it, to try to promote himself, and his product, for ONLY his personal gain.

Salt of the earth kind of guy, all right.







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Posted 2008-10-25 7:52 PM (#149591 - in reply to #123355)
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Here Neil!
Now, lookey here what I found for you! Now, you can go DIRECTLY to Ultra One's web site/forums, and post to EVERYONE there, that Ultra Nun couldn't eliminate rust off of 904 stainless,,,,,!
Dwight is dumber than a wad of snot, when it comes to him/Hobby/others', careless 'touch' of, how do you say it, 'prized/valuable artifact' such as Ms Belvy,,,,!

Convince all on 'that' web site, just like you are doing on 'this' web site, of Dwight's immature, bas***dizing, (if there is such a word) of such a valuable Plymouth!!!

Just think, the owner/winner of Ms belvy just might be 'cruising' Ultra Nun's site/forums, and you just may convince HIM, of his error, ways, and he might contact YOU, Neil, for information/advice. Now, THAT would make you happy, wouldn't it?!

Y'know, when I was there Neil. There was ONLY 3 MoPars in the whole place! Ms Belvy, the '57 parts or frame car, and the Dodge that I rode in, to get there.
EVERYTHING else was LINCOLN. The Continentals, like in the TV series "Cannon" There was a whole slew of 'em! Ranging from a rusted parts car, to a B-J quality, to a nice convt conversion, to a EVERY option avlaible, and everything inbetween!
You think Neil, since, there are so many 'F0rds' there, Dwight might be anti 'Chrysler' and is,,,,, on purposely,,,, destroying a lowly Plymouth?
Why don't you ask him?!

Hell, as good as you say you are, in investigating, you might turn up a 'juicy' story!!
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Rick; it's too late now....there is something of the Greek Tragedy (or, at least, of O. Henry) involved in this whole story, from its careless (OK: naive) internment---- should have been welded-up in a steel container, so that it could have been DRIVEN out of its container, in 2007 (wouldn't THAT have been spectacular?) to its ultimate destruction, at the hands of a 'restorer', for self promotion.








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Posted 2008-10-26 5:38 AM (#149608 - in reply to #123355)
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Posted 2008-10-26 10:30 PM (#149685 - in reply to #123355)
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Geeze, Neil, from the beginning one would have thought that this was your personal event and that you should have called all of the shots and made all of the arrangements from the beginning, even though you were just another car enthusiast like the rest of us. And now you are internalizing some sort of grief over the fate of this ill-conceived and executed event to the point that you sound as if you have lost all contact with reality. Give it a rest, man, nothing (especially a rusted beyond repair Plymouth) is worth your outrage!! Wouldn't you much rather find an unrusted, low mile gem in a barn than than to go bonko over this piece of crap? Professional help may be in order!!
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Posted 2008-10-27 3:50 PM (#149789 - in reply to #123355)
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This may not be the place for it, but I have to get this off my chest. 

It's disheartening to see such an attitude displayed.  Some apparently are very strongly opinionated, right or wrong.  My personal opinion doesn't seem to matter.  I don't belong to the click, nor do I want too.

I have seen all those pictures many times already.  As an avid Mopar guy, I have been following the car for the last 3 years, even in the planning of the unearthing.  I was in Tulsa and saw where the car was burried.  Did I go to Tulsa for the unearthing?  No.  I have other committments I need to meet.

It seems to me I read somewhere the actual owners of the car, an elderly woman as I recall, looked up Ultra1 and contacted them to give the car a try.  I have not seen any published PR on Ultra1 promoting the product with the car.  So far, all I have seen even remotely refering to U1 and the car has been right here, and all negitive.

With all due respect, I think the few who are critizing don't have any facts.  They have made them up in their heads from what I read and across several means of communication.  Frankly they ought to stick a sock in it.  I am not one for Keyboard Bullys, they seem to be flocking on this subject.  Come to think of it, in skimming the whole forum, you seem to have allot of them here.

Makes me wonder if my membership here is worth it.  But you don't seem to care because you have yourselves.  All it does is confirm what i have read on numerous other mopar forums about Forward Look.  Why did Diva talk me into this place?

Have a nice day



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Posted 2008-10-27 7:52 PM (#149816 - in reply to #149789)
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Chris, you registered here in 10/08.

I'm hardly a graybeard, around here, registering in 3/05, but, that's still 3.5 years ago.

Jim Helm goes back to 4.5 years ago.

The Plymouth goes back to 1957, and, its fate has been discussed on this website's message boards since at least
12/23/99 (which is the earliest Archive-referenced message, on the subject of the Buried Plymouth ).

The first 'recorded' thread-message (12/23/99) was from "Tony", and he said/asked: "I'm looking for info a the 1957 Plymouth that was
buried in Texas or Oklahoma in a time capsule. It was buried in 1957 and is going to be dug up in 2007. What town is it
located in and does anyone know of a website for more info. Thanks."

John Zastrow responded on 12/25/99: "There is a very good web page on the '57, buried in Oklahoma, right here on the
Forwardlook site."

Dave Stragand, our Webmaster (aka: Fearless Leader), responded, on 12/30/99: "That's correct, thanks to Jim Benjaminson,
for the permission to reprint it [the basic information on the car's burial, as posted on our Home page]."

Our website also ran a "Countdown" calendar to 6/15/07, and had various site references to the Tulsarama festivities.

This message board was created in 2005, in order to discuss the car's fate, and our arranging to be there, for the Blessed
Event.

About 50 members made the Pilgrimage to Tulsa, from around the world, and, I'll bet none of them regrets making the
necessary sacrifices to BE there. The Plymouth Owners Club held their national meet there, and the Christine Owners club
was also present.

Those of us who were there have become emotionally attached to the car, and to the celebrations which occurred in Tulsa,
in June, 2007.

Some people, who were NOT at Tulsa, for varying reasons, have taken issue with the fervency of the attendees' positions
regarding the preservation of the car, as being a unique, irreplaceable historical artifact.

This particular message board was created in order to discuss that car's fate.

Once you enter this website, you are apparently doomed never to be able to leave it; "Diva" must have been correct,
in that regard.

If you wish to discuss any OTHER 1955 -1961 MoPar products, this website has many fine individualized message boards
where the subject of the Buried Plymouth will NEVER come-up.

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Posted 2008-10-28 12:45 AM (#149840 - in reply to #123355)
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Chris, if your sole purpose is to claim how right you are in defending what is being done to Miss Bslvie, I don't think you will be very successful. You think it is just a click that believes she should have been preserved as she came out of the tomb? you should go back and read all the posts by people who were there. It's commendable that you wish to defend your friend Dwight, but don't expect many converts. Hope you will join in on other discussions cause finned Mopars is something we all have in common.....................MO
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Posted 2008-10-28 8:01 AM (#149851 - in reply to #149840)
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Yeah, I can still remember calling this car back 2 1/2 years ago...First thing when everybody was talking like it was gonna come out of the ground in pristine shape, I said it was gonna be a rusted POS and Got bashed for it.......Keyboard bully's don't bother me...I give as good as I get..Can't stand the heat, get out the kitchen...


Chris, if that's the way you feel, then this just might NOT be the place for you, but let me be the first one to tell you...

If your looking for a forum ON LINE that DOESN'T do a certain amount of what goes on here, then your better off not getting on line at all.....Dude, it happens at all sites....I know, cause I'm a member at about four other club's..
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Posted 2008-10-28 8:23 AM (#149853 - in reply to #123355)
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I didn't go to this event even though it was less than a day's drive away. Things like that turn me off and , like dukeboy, I was convinced that the car would be destroyed when unearthed. But apparently some folks who got deeply involved in this thing, especially Neil, just can't let it go. I know of cars that have sat in junkyards for 50 years that are in better shape than this one, but if somehow the car has the ability to penetrate the mind and soul of those who see it, so be it. But I must ask: ever heard of an exorcist??
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Posted 2008-10-28 6:20 PM (#149887 - in reply to #123355)
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Posted 2008-10-28 7:33 PM (#149897 - in reply to #149887)
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Clive, you forgot to mention "no last names", either, for Dwight or Chris.

Give the devil his due: Steve Hobby really has poisoned this website. Nice going....









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Posted 2008-10-29 8:13 AM (#149928 - in reply to #123355)
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Now wait a minute Clive--you know that I haven't got any "mates" up on this part of the site! (Actually, I probably don't have any mates on any part of this site). So I didn't do it!! My posts here have been more bland than normal, and I don't have anything pro or con on the car or the "salvation attempt". This is Neil's playground--more power to him!!
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Posted 2008-10-29 1:38 PM (#149949 - in reply to #149887)
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HMmmmmmmmmm... 2 Newbies , No Profile Locations... Love to Kick Real Easy... is this ANOTHER of SH,s Sick Jokes.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



OF COURSE it's Hobby again, Cleve...
The guy fits the bill as a self-absorbed egomaniac who LOVES to stir the pot.

What's the easiest way to know when Hobby has been able to infiltrate the site? That's simple...
If there's someone who WANTS to talk about Hobby, it's usually HOBBY himself.

(After all, most everyone else would rather let him slither back into the recesses of history.)

Over the years, this guy has led more lives than Shirley Maclaine...
62chrysler / 59 Saratoga / 59Saratogaa (Poor Joe V.) / BigButtMopar / Faahaulic / (The infamous) LARS / Steve880
And who could forget unibody_wide_fins??? Hubba Hubba! LMAO!

To me, it's blatantly OBVIOUS that FinFender is none other than our old buddy's multiple personality disorder.
(I'm also convinced there are still more Hobby creations floating around on this board, too.)

Has he "ruined" the site? Not a chance. It takes more than one jackass to plow a field this large.
Meanwhile, he has managed to hurt some feelings along the way... and for that he should still be ashamed.

In the end, though... Hobby is like a rash. Leave it alone, and it will go away.
However, if you continue to scratch the inflamed area, you could be dealing with a major pain in the ass.

He feeds off this kind of attention... and it's my pleasure to turn over the rocks and watch him scurry back out of the light whenever possible.

Happy Halloween, Steve... Too bad we've already revealed the face behind your "FinFender" mask!
(Perhaps you should frequent another masquerade ball where your tactics are less transparent?)

-NM

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Posted 2008-10-29 2:29 PM (#149956 - in reply to #149949)
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Well, what about " Dwight" ? Let's not forget to mention him.

Dwight, if you are for real, perhaps you could tell us something about yourself, your location, your cars, and your
history in the FWDLK world; do you belong to any clubs, organizations, or have you attended any national meets, etc?

How about posting some pics of your car(s), and yourself, on the Member's Rides board?

We've probably got several members who would be happy to meet with you and help you with your FWDLK projects.





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Posted 2008-10-29 3:49 PM (#149970 - in reply to #149956)
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d500neil - 2008-10-29 6:29 PM

Well, what about " Dwight" ? Let's not forget to mention him.

Dwight, if you are for real, perhaps you could tell us something about yourself, your location, your cars, and your
history in the FWDLK world; do you belong to any clubs, organizations, or have you attended any national meets, etc?

How about posting some pics of your car(s), and yourself, on the Member's Rides board?

We've probably got several members who would be happy to meet with you and help you with your FWDLK projects.







Same PERSON.............. I had Real Suspisions Weeks Ago,, But thought i was becoming Nathan ( LOL) as in being Detective.. I Now wish i had mentioned this Earlier...........


P.S.. Still the Same Sick B@STARD then...

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Posted 2008-10-29 4:27 PM (#149972 - in reply to #149970)
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Same PERSON.................

How do you know?

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Posted 2008-10-29 7:21 PM (#149978 - in reply to #123355)
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"Canuckfins" a.k.a. The "OTHER Dwight" (or perhaps, Dwight-lite) is NOT Steve Hobby.... BUT it IS one of his flying monkeys from "mopar fins dot com". Leaburn Patey is also active over on "C Body Drydock"... The guy's name over there is CBARGE... I'm posting a picture of him below.

As it turns out, "DeSotoDiva" isn't Hobby either... In fact, "Diva" isn't even a female at all. "She" is actually Matt Aker (MoParMatt - also from moparfins dot com and C Body Drydock)... As far as "her" um... relationship with FinFender, I mean STEVE HOBBY... who knows just how close they are? I don't think I even WANT to know. For a look at this guy (who apparently likes to pretend he's a girl):

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Apparently, that's "her" (Matt Aker) on your LEFT in the photo. Definitely the most moustachio'ed "Diva" I've ever seen. Don'tcha think?

All of this seems to be some sort of lame-assed attempt to cause unrest on this site... With Hobby (If that is his real name) posing as the King Troll.

A little careful reading and creative Google-ing goes a LONG way.
Geez, I feel like Shaggy at the end of all the old Scooby Doo episodes.... "It's Really ________!?!?!!!!!"

C'mon, Hobby... You're makin' this much too easy. As for the other two (or more)... Isn't this a fun game?

You guys really should put more of your time into co-authoring a fiction novel, or maybe doing something constructive for a change.

-NM

Edited by Nathan D. Manning 2008-10-30 9:49 AM

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Posted 2008-10-29 8:07 PM (#149980 - in reply to #149978)
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So, what IS a flying Monkey?

Never seen one of THEM--or have I? Nah; that's a flying SQUIRREL I'm thinking of.

Rocket J. Squirrel.



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Posted 2008-10-29 9:54 PM (#149995 - in reply to #123355)
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The Dwight that I have been refering to is the guy that owns Ultra -one and has been attempting to bring Miss Belvie back to some kind of condition??????..............................MO
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Posted 2008-10-30 6:14 AM (#150029 - in reply to #149980)
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So, what IS a flying Monkey?
Never seen one of THEM--or have I?


Yeah, you've seen one, Neil...
Remember the Wizard Of Oz?
The Wicked Witch of the West uses the FLYING MONKEYS to do most of her dirty work.

This situation is pretty much the same, with Hobby playing the part of the Wicked Witch.
(And of course, the Flying Monkeys would be Hobby's brainwashed disciples from other sites.)

-NM



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Posted 2008-10-30 2:26 PM (#150053 - in reply to #150029)
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...and I thought that it was a mere coincidence that "Dwight" of Ultra-None, and "Dwight-with-no-last-name Canuckfins"
had the same first names.

Silly me.


OH! ; THOSE flying-monkeys; I DO see the resemblance, now.






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Posted 2008-10-31 6:39 AM (#150174 - in reply to #123355)
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GOTCHA, HOBBY!!!!

And I KNOW you've seen this thread, too!
"FinFender" was last logged on just yesterday (10/30)... but oddly, didn't post anything. Hmmm....

I'm guessing that you've chosen to take a breather from posting while you craft some kind of bullsh!t alibi. We won't see you back on here until you can artfully deny everything, right?

Meanwhile, "DeSotoDiva" hasn't bothered to log on since October 14th...
And "Canuckfins" (the "other" Dwight) was last online on October 27th...

"Diva" and "Dwight" have likely been sucked into this sick game by a guy they trust as a friend.
(Are they truly unaware of the sh!t-storm than can ensue once you allow Hobby to gain a foot-hold?)

Beware Leaburn Patey and Matt Aker... Participating in Hobby's shenanigans will eventually destroy your character one way or another. Tick-Tock-Tick-Tock... The guy is a time-bomb - and y'all are standing WAY too close!

-NM

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Posted 2008-10-31 10:59 AM (#150183 - in reply to #150174)
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[Sigghhhh]

Nathan is right.  It only took me like 10 minutes on Google to be able to track down all of the clues and make all the connections (below) myself.  It's all publically viewable, if you want to check it out for yourselves as well - just get to googl'in'.

I'm really disappointed that he's still playing these games. When was that, like 3 years ago? Even more disappointing is that he has enlisted the moderators from his own forum to attempt to instigate trouble here. How deceitful, embarassing, and just plain shameful is that?  I had hoped he would be more mature than to stoop to that kind of level.  It's time for him to just move on already - we all left this behind years ago.

FL Username(s)MoparFins (MF) UsernameCBodyDryDock UsernameReal Name

FinFender
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59Saratogaa (b)
62chrysler (b)
BigButtMopar (b)
Faahaulic (b)
LARS (b)
unibody_wide_fins (b)

...and others

 

PolaracoPolaraco / 71F3 / ME2C / etc.Steve Hobby

DeSotoDiva
dart17
Dart34

 

MoparMatt (a MF moderator)MoparMattMatt Aker
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Posted 2008-10-31 12:16 PM (#150188 - in reply to #123355)
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Thanks DAVE for Suspending ALL the Dodgy Accounts,, When i replied to FinFender a while Back to Explain No-one was saying Ultra,s Product didn,t work , And members where saying it was Wrong to attempt to Restore Miss Belv, FinFender just wouldn,t have it and wanted to keep Arguing.. By this Time it was Plain to See who was Behind it all ,, I Should have Shouted Earlier and Not waited for the NAT-MAN to say it as it Is.. Hopefully this is the End to it..... BUT i doubt it.... The rumour is, It is the Only way the Guy Gets Off.. !!!!!
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Posted 2008-10-31 2:01 PM (#150196 - in reply to #150188)
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So, there's nobody left, to stir the pot, but carjock?

Tough job, but somebody has(??) to do it, I guess.

Gotta admit, I kinda miss Ms. Unibody wide fins, and her astonishing car collection.





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Posted 2008-10-31 3:37 PM (#150202 - in reply to #150196)
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d500neil - 2008-10-31 6:01 PM

So, there's nobody left, to stir the pot, but carjock?




WHAT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Last time i checked you 2 were Kissing Cousins.. Actually Agreeing on Stuff.. Personally i felt Sick as i thought the Whole Forwardlook Website would fall apart with you 2 onside... Please don,t say the Truce has been called Off...!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! LMAO
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Posted 2008-10-31 4:20 PM (#150206 - in reply to #123355)
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I don't know how you guys can be here so long and STILL not realize we have a whole site full of "Pot Stirrers". They're full of something else too I think.

I want to know:
A. Why some guys have so much time to do a lot of Googleing.
B. What search you were doing to come up with all the info Dave and Nate came up with.

If that is definitive results in Daves post, we now finally put LARS in the Hobby category with out question? We all knew it, but no one's ever proved it before.

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Posted 2008-10-31 5:12 PM (#150211 - in reply to #123355)
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OK, Neil, if you want me to continue "stirring the pot", just keep it up. I typically find your "rants" merely amusing--and there are a lot of them! 4462 posts at last count, far more than anyone else on this site!Seems to me that you may need a good dose of "Miss Belvedere detoxification". You want to throw your opinions and guesses out as fact without challenge in just about every thread on this site--sooner or later, some are going to get fully fed up with it. If stirring the pot is disagreeing with you, I guess I am guilty as charged. But somehow I don't think I'm the only one??
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Posted 2008-10-31 5:16 PM (#150212 - in reply to #150206)
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I don't know how you guys can be here so long and STILL not realize we have a whole site full of "Pot Stirrers". They're full of something else too I think.

I want to know:
A. Why some guys have so much time to do a lot of Googleing.
B. What search you were doing to come up with all the info Dave and Nate came up with.

If that is definitive results in Daves post, we now finally put LARS in the Hobby category with out question? We all knew it, but no one's ever proved it before.

Mike


Yeah, Mike...

There ARE plenty of pot-stirrers here. That's for sure.
Meanwhile, I've learned that most of them are harmless and sometimes (to be quite honest) pretty fun.
Hobby (et al) has proven to be the only real malicious or truly threatening character we have encountered.

As far as the Google-ing questions:
A) I'm fortunate enough to have a job that allows plenty of time on the computer. Otherwise I'd have to take vacation during Hobby-hunting season.
B) If we told you, we'd have to kill you! (LOL)

-NM

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Posted 2008-10-31 5:33 PM (#150218 - in reply to #150212)
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Well, yeah, Jim, there was Canuckfins and Finfender.

The only comment that I've made, which was incorrect (you can look it up) about a subject, was about your former
convertible, which just happens to have been made to resemble another, real, red/white 1959 (single 4-bbl) D500
convertible.

What may appear to you to be "opinions and guesses" are actually facts which are the result of my having spent almost 30 years, now, in researching 1953 -1961 Dodges.

You will note that I don't comment on the other MoPar models, regularly, as I readily admit
not to knowing much about their histories.


[Happy, now, Clive?]









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Posted 2008-10-31 9:57 PM (#150242 - in reply to #150206)
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61plymy - 2008-10-31 4:20 PM I don't know how you guys can be here so long and STILL not realize we have a whole site full of "Pot Stirrers". They're full of something else too I think. I want to know: A. Why some guys have so much time to do a lot of Googleing. B. What search you were doing to come up with all the info Dave and Nate came up with. If that is definitive results in Daves post, we now finally put LARS in the Hobby category with out question? We all knew it, but no one's ever proved it before. Mike

a) I'm a computer guy; I do I.T. security and forensics.  At least half of my job is researching different things on the net.
b) Just read through all of their posts.  I'll bet the stuff you should google will be obvious to you.  One of them called moparfins "my forums".  Wonder how we all missed that, eh?

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Posted 2008-10-31 11:20 PM (#150246 - in reply to #123355)
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Posted 2008-10-31 11:40 PM (#150250 - in reply to #150246)
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Posted 2008-11-01 10:11 AM (#150275 - in reply to #150250)
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I've been following this for months/years without comment. The one ineffable FACT is that the owners were not forced by anyone to turn the car over for "stabilization", or whatever it may turn out to be, and Ultra-One can't cavalierly do whatever they feel like doing without the owner's patent approval. They obviously don't share a desire to leave it the way it came out of the tomb, for whatever reason, opinions of the purists notwithstanding, and it is time to let it go, along with whatever may have happened here in the past. To my mind, to get so bent out of shape over the fate of an unearthed rusty hulk of a car is borderline pathological... jeezum, lighten up fer crissakes.
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Posted 2008-11-01 11:11 AM (#150278 - in reply to #123355)
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Oh, Neil, you are just such a warm and fuzzy guy--I'd just like to give you a big hug!! But I hate to tell you that you know absolutely nothing about the origins and building of my 1959 Dodge convertible, so there you go with more opinions and hearsay. But I still love ya', big guy!! And I agree with firedome's post above!
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Posted 2008-11-01 2:31 PM (#150287 - in reply to #150278)
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Actually, Jim, you, yourself told me about your car's history, a long-ish time ago, in a PM on this here website. Remember?

You confirmed that it wasn't a D500, and I believe that you may have said that you changed its colors ( I may have
to contact Mr. Faltus on that matter), too, but I can not specifically recall what it was painted, originally, but its color(s)/trim
are recorded on its P/T plate.

You telling me about your car is hearsay? Nope; that's direct communication.







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Posted 2008-11-01 5:33 PM (#150299 - in reply to #123355)
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So, do ya' think it's possible that either carjock or the Bishop has gone brain-dead on us? 
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Posted 2008-11-01 11:21 PM (#150311 - in reply to #123355)
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It's the Bishop whose brain-dead! I had my '59 convert on ebay some time ago and had a 100% honest description of the car in listing, right down to its origins. I put notification of the listing on this site so EVERYONE here kinows the whole story. Allen Faltus (a super honest guy) bought the car and put a lot more work into it, making it nearly perfect. He then decded to sell the car and placed it on ebay, perhaps choosing some words that got the purists attention. That's when you and your attack dogs went after him and the car--an absolute lynch mob mentality! I wrote in to defend Allen and that is where I told you a few things about the car. But believe me, I would never tell you anything in detail about any of the 300 or so cars that I have owned because you would distort, exploit, and use it to your own advantage to promote your "FL guru" image. Bishop, you are nothing more than a pompous grandstander and keyboard bully with an opinion on everything. Bye Bye, now.

















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Posted 2008-11-02 10:18 AM (#150338 - in reply to #123355)
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Ah... wasn't this thread about Miss Belvedere??

For those who have unfairly cast aspersions on the Ultra-One product without ever having tried it, the stuff works just as advertised, I'm using it on my '70 Nova. It has limitations because of the necessity to keep things immersed for a period of time, but don't knock it til you've tried it, I've never tried anything that works as well. And to ascribe evil motives to Dwight Foster without knowing either him, or the owners of the car, and their intentions is equally unfair, if that matters at all to the bloviating pontificators.
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Posted 2008-11-02 10:55 AM (#150341 - in reply to #123355)
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OK, I'm back, (thanks Fearless!) and I'll stir this %$#@n' pot!

NATHAN's a big PU$$EY! nenner, neener!

Nathan, you can't find your own azz with both hands! How are you able to find Hobby hiding under any rocks?!

Nathan, you little twerp! You pick on Hobby and his flyin' go-rillers any more, and he's gonna come down there and, have you smiling, flyin' monkey, out of your butt!

It's trick 'er treat. Hobby is gonna jam a ghost up your hiney, and each time, you will fart "BOOO"

I'd like to see you and Hobby get into a verbal volleyball war! By the time Hobby is done with you Nate, you will be babbleing/slobbering like one of those re-tards.

Aw, I'd better quit while I'm ahead. Fearless's is lible to take my newly high speed away from me, or, Nathan will banish me forever, down in the sewer. (sigh)
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Posted 2008-11-02 11:15 AM (#150346 - in reply to #123355)
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Alright, Rick's back!! Don't hold anything back you old fart!! And Firedome, you are very right about this thread being about that buried Belvedere and Ultra One--funny how these things take twists and turns. By the way, where is Bingo Noo Yawk? I assume that is New York, but Bingo??
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Posted 2008-11-02 12:44 PM (#150353 - in reply to #150341)
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Ya know,

The more I see Rick ribbin' Nathan, the more I think Rick wants to go play Brokeback Mountain with the guy.  =

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Posted 2008-11-02 3:05 PM (#150362 - in reply to #150353)
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Ya know,

The more I see Rick ribbin' Nathan, the more I think Rick wants to go play Brokeback Mountain with the guy.  =

-Dave



Tread Careful with " Rick " Dave , He is a Board Moderator and can Delete you in a Flash,, The Chicken $hitter did it to me down in the Sewage...

You have been Warned.. LMAO
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Posted 2008-11-02 9:00 PM (#150403 - in reply to #123355)
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HAVE SEX!!!! WITH NATHAN??!! GOOD LORD! I WOULDN'T &^%$ NATHAN, WITH 'YOUR' I) ick!!!!!!!!!!!!

One, he so ugly, he has to sneak up on the glass to get a drink of water!
Two, he won't kiss first, just wants to get it in,,,,,,,,bang around a few seconds. No passion!
Besides. Nathan has about as much sex appeal, as a 1/2 full, 5 yard, dumpster behind an Italian eatery!!
Anyway.
Since Hobby filled up Nathan's 'chocolate' hi-way, with that ghost. There isn't room for anything more!

WAIT,,,,, A MINUTE!!!!!!!
Fearless, what in the world are you talkin' about ***** and sex, up here in the 'better than you' section for?
I though all this perversion was 'sposed to be down there in the sexual fetish section?

Clive. YOU dared me to delete something in that moronic "ban the user above you" how many page thread! Well, not, like a 'double dare' but, a dare, never the less.
Yep! I got more power in my little finger than,,,,,,,. Well. I was gonna pick on Nathan, but,,,, someone might think I'm in love with the little fart!

EWWWWUEEE! The thought of this post, having sex with Nathan, is gonna give me nightmares tonight.
I'm gonna go take another shower. Somehow, I feel,,,, dirty.
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Posted 2008-11-03 6:00 AM (#150431 - in reply to #123355)
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Geez...

After reading the mindless drivel above, I'm convinced there are FAR worse things than Hobby. Meanwhile, I still think the guy is sick and twisted... regardless whether he and the CanMan are (apparently) the best of hot-tub buddies.

By the way, I'm flattered by your obsessions, Rick... But you're simply just not my type. I'm afraid I'm only interested in the ladies... you know, like the one's posted in the "Something To Make Your Day Brighter" thread down there in your Netherworld. (Yes, I read the posts down there, too... I just don't participate.) So you and Hobby enjoy that Brokeback Mountain sheep-herding trip together... Just the two of ya.

I'm gonna go exorcise that so-called ass-ghost you cast upon me. (And to think, I just thought I'd eaten some bad chili!)

-NM

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Posted 2008-11-03 7:29 AM (#150435 - in reply to #150403)
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alumcanTandThd - 2008-11-02 9:00 PM HAVE SEX!!!! WITH NATHAN??!! GOOD LORD! I WOULDN'T &^%$ NATHAN, WITH 'YOUR' I) ick!!!!!!!!!!!! One, he so ugly, he has to sneak up on the glass to get a drink of water! Two, he won't kiss first, just wants to get it in,,,,,,,,bang around a few seconds. No passion!

Methinks thou dost protest too much...

After seeing some of those pics from John and M'Lisa... it all is starting to make sense.

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Posted 2008-11-03 8:16 AM (#150438 - in reply to #123355)
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Hmmmm. I think Feerless may actually be on to something here. Scarry.
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Posted 2008-11-03 8:40 AM (#150440 - in reply to #123355)
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I think the world has altered orbit. Fearless is actually having some fun with the site! Be careful, Canman, they're after you--remember, you can ban both fearless and nathan!!
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Posted 2008-11-03 3:54 PM (#150470 - in reply to #123355)
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What the hell is going on up here??? This perverted stuff is 'sposed to be down in the basement............where we know where to find it.

Rick, they say a picture is worth a thousand words. You mighta been better off PAYIN' a thousand dollars for the camera so this wouldn't 'a got out.

You next big fear should be what Erik decides to do with a picture like this. You may end up on every transvestite site on the web; not just the sites about gay ski days and such. Better come up with some really manly pictures of yourself (bikers leathers should be avoided here) while you can still poison the thinking of onlookers.

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Posted 2008-11-03 4:22 PM (#150482 - in reply to #150470)
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And who is the " Chaplin " that " Rode-Rick ".................. ??????????????????
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Posted 2008-11-04 9:21 AM (#150632 - in reply to #150470)
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61plymy - 2008-11-03 3:54 PM

Better come up with some really manly pictures of yourself (bikers leathers should be avoided here) while you can still poison the thinking of onlookers.

Mike


Hmmmm....Shades of the "Blue Oyster Bar" from "Police Academy" there, Mike!!!!!
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Posted 2008-11-04 10:55 AM (#150637 - in reply to #150632)
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Yikes!!!! This IS getting scary - back to Ms Belvie anyone??? I'd like to hear from folks who have TRIED Ultra-One.

Anyhow... for inquiring minds, Bingo is Binghamton NY, once the cigar capitol of the US (1800s) - Endicott (a suburb) is where IBM originally started, and was the home of Endicott-Johnson, once the worlds biggest shoemaker - almost every town across America had an E-J store once. Now the area, like much of the Northeast US, is losing manufacturing jobs, it's kinda down at the heels compared to the 60s, but it's a nice place to live: pretty, quiet and safe. Big local claim to fame: a famous Mob Boss conference bust happened here (Apalachin) back in 1957.
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Posted 2008-11-04 1:35 PM (#150652 - in reply to #123355)
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Hank, I'm not sayin' the man has to dance, i'm just sayin' that what he may think of as "manly" may have been co-opted by the gay ski crowd, so be careful what you pick. Riding a Hog is manly, OK, but not in butt-less leather chaps with say, ..... a Speedo underneath. That would not qualify.

I think Rick needs to put up some pictures of himself maybe involved in a 3-way with two very definitely female partners, you know, just to show where his persuasions may lay. Or in full African Safari get up, rifle shouldered, taking a bead on a Charging bull elephant! Something that says he's not what it appears he is in the photos above.

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Posted 2008-11-05 10:34 PM (#150898 - in reply to #150652)
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,,,,,,,? I'm confused.
You say that a sign in my medicine cabinet, warning, do not take my sex change pills,,,,,,, makes me a queeer?

How does me, shouting to John, telling him, M'Lisa sadi to smile for the camera, (EXTREMELY windy, and cold up there, hard to hear) also make me a queeer?

How can I be a queeer for wanting a sex change and become a Lesbian?

Nathan. "Mindless Drivel"? You call me, warning you, of Hobby's intentions, mindless drivel?
OK. If that is the way you feel, I won't give you any prior warning, if Hobby and his flyin' monkeys, decide to pay you a visit, in the middle of the night.
I got a feeling they will short sheet yer bed, and give you a 'blanket party.'

Sex between you, or Hobby?! (Fearless started it|) You have the sex appeal of a dumpster. Hobby has the sex appeal as a bag of leaves.
That is a tough one. I can't make up my mind.
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Posted 2008-11-06 7:04 AM (#150927 - in reply to #123355)
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Boy, and I'm accused of getting "off topic"! But this is good--you get 'em Rick.
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Posted 2008-12-05 1:50 AM (#154434 - in reply to #150927)
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carjock - 2008-11-06 4:04 AM

Boy, and I'm accused of getting "off topic"! But this is good--you get 'em Rick.


Further off topic, but since Ultra One is located in New Jersey, why not get an authentic "Jersey Boy" to be their spokesperson?

http://www.adultswim.com/promos/carlcasting/index.html

One of these guys even uses a vintage grille as a prop.

K.
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Posted 2008-12-18 1:04 PM (#155945 - in reply to #123355)
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I just found this post and believe it or not....I read it all the way through...Wow!! You guys really get into it here huh? I've heard about this over and over elsewhere on the net and I had to see it for myself. It's true...And it's all about what some guy in NJ is doing to a rusted out Plymouth that some brainy characters decided to bury in 1957? And you guys are arguing about it like a bunch of immature school kids? I'm sure that hard feelings came of this argument and friendships were strained...That's the WORST part about this whole fiasco. Who cares what Dwight/owners do with it....They're going to do it anyways...and it will just be "cleaned up junk" when they're done. The relationships here should be more important than arguing about what they're doing to Miss Belvedere...come on...Miss Belvedere? Who came up with that name anyways? Sounds like one of Barney's friends. Let's forget about this rotted out junkyard car and discuss topics that will build our friendships...strengthen our bonds....so we can help each other fix and repair our RESTORABLE FL autos.

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Posted 2008-12-18 3:06 PM (#155953 - in reply to #123355)
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but it's the holy grail of rusted out junk.
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Posted 2008-12-18 6:11 PM (#155972 - in reply to #155945)
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...furvedere...one question.... were you there for either the burial in 1957, or the unearthing in 2007....?
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Posted 2008-12-18 7:33 PM (#155991 - in reply to #155945)
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Take your bible banging and flee the scene!!!
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Posted 2008-12-18 8:03 PM (#156002 - in reply to #155991)
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Well, I think that most(?) of us agree that, when Ultra-None is done with the remains of Ms Belvie, it WILL be
nothing more than "cleaned up junk", as opposed to its being a(n unmolested) remarkable, compelling historical artifact.

BTW, the "Miss Belvedere" appelation was created by the City fathers-and-mothers of Tulsa.

I was in favor of naming it "Virgil" (way back before it was 'revealed' to be a Titanic-looking artifact ),
and I had thought that it WOULD come out of the ground appearing in like-new condition.






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Posted 2008-12-18 9:53 PM (#156021 - in reply to #155991)
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Take your bible banging and flee the scene!!!


Very heartwarming...Thanks...at least you're consistent...treat one...treat all with disrespect. Thats why I only have 12 posts here...You don't have to worry about me posting much.
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Posted 2008-12-19 12:08 AM (#156033 - in reply to #156021)
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Posted 2008-12-19 7:44 AM (#156055 - in reply to #156033)
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I used to fellowship at a church where the Pastor liked to say that if you point a finger at your fellow man, you will have three of your other fingers pointing back at you.

He also addressed the issue of people verbally attacking each other by prefacing their criticism with, "The Holy Spirit has moved upon me to tell you........"

Makes me wonder if these other people on the web are any better than us if they're discussing our flame wars.

The police officers I work with tell me domestic calls are among the worst to respond to because often, the entire family unites and turns on the responding officers. I think anybody can see where I'm going with that.

The late Reverend Phillip Ramirez, one of the most humble and sincere God seeking men I was ever blessed to know, used to say, "If you're really concerned about the course and actions of your fellow man, get out of his face and get on your knees to pray for him."

K.

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Posted 2008-12-19 7:16 PM (#156137 - in reply to #123355)
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Mixing a metaphor, here, but, thanks to our ever vigilent Fearless Leader, our flame wars are not much more than pisssing-contests.

Most other websites feature actual blood baths...

MY Holy Spirit is Johnny Walker (blue label)---but Nathan's East TN moonshine, is a close second.




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Posted 2008-12-19 8:58 PM (#156154 - in reply to #156137)
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MY Holy Spirit is Johnny Walker (blue label)---but Nathan's East TN moonshine, is a close second.








Good one, Neil.

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Posted 2009-01-21 8:18 AM (#159800 - in reply to #123355)
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Shame about the sad ending for Miss B. I Bet Dwight wishes he had the cover to hide his shame.
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Posted 2009-01-21 6:02 PM (#159853 - in reply to #159800)
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The real and true shame, of this sad saga, is that Dwight, or anyone else with any automotive repair experience,
should have immediately recognized that the car, as-unearthed, was beyond OEM restoration-condition.

Almost anything can be "re-created", but, 'restored' as in : cleaned-up and polished/detailed, with MINOR (if any) parts
replacement on this brand-new 1957 car, to restore it to its as-new condition? Clearly impossible to do.

Dwight took on the car's clean-up as a way to promote his business, and in the process destroyed virtually any historical
artifact value that the car did actually have.

It now appears that 57 Heaven's lack of interest in acquiring the car may have been related to its declining attendance income,
which to date is such that its owner is trying to sell the collection/museum (albeit in a lump-sum manner, which may prevent
its being sold, for $17 million).

Probably, the entire collection may have to be individually auctioned off.

THAT'S an event that I would travel to see occur.






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Posted 2009-01-21 8:00 PM (#159869 - in reply to #159853)
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Neil, you are dead right about Dwight and the very sad end to 50 years of creation.
As for 57 heaven pulling the pin, it is a pitty they didn't get Miss B when they had the chance because she would be up fo grabs now.
I too would travel to see 57 Heaven's entire collection auctioned off, perhaps I should take the cover with me and try my luck with it under the hammer.?
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Posted 2009-01-21 8:38 PM (#159875 - in reply to #159869)
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Yeah, wouldn't the auctioning-off of Ms. B. have been quite the attraction, when the museum collection would be sold off?
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Posted 2009-01-21 9:19 PM (#159886 - in reply to #123355)
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There would be a second pilgrimage for sure.At least she would still be as she was when she came out of the ground. I would like nothing more than to be able to reunite Miss B with her cover.
But since Dwight has done what he has done, there is no way on this earth that I will ever let that A**hole get his cleaning mits on.
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Posted 2009-01-21 10:04 PM (#159898 - in reply to #123355)
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Neil, I'm interested in your thoughts as to what to do with Miss B's cover? you seem to be some great authority on the wellbeing of Miss B. Do you have any ideas on how to preserve this large piece of tin foil that is still in the same condition as when I saved it. and no,I haven't cleaned it.
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Posted 2009-01-22 6:07 PM (#160005 - in reply to #159898)
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This should be a separate thread.

What to do with the Shroud of Touring? (or: Tulsa, or Belvedere)

Unfortunately, as the car 'goes', so-goes its wrapper.

The Shroud would have been a very neat display adjunct, as part of a Diorama display, that I had envisioned as being a highlight to the 57 Heaven museum's collection.

Maybe it could be sent to Ultra-None, for restoration, too.

It's kind of like having Abbott without Costello, ELVIS without Costello, or Stan without Getz, Huntley without Brinkley.

The Shroud should be preserved in some museum context, but where, and how (now); I dunno.....





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Posted 2009-01-22 7:24 PM (#160026 - in reply to #160005)
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As far as that diorama-display is (WAS!) concerned, I had thought about recreating the Vault, on three sides [OK: two-sides works as well, but you have to feel like you're down-there with the car!] with the Ms.
Belvie displayed inside it, and with 'atmosphere' lighting hidden around it, playing off of its patinas.

There should be a video playing, showing detail views of its engine, interior, and undercarriage, as well as highlights of its internment and its public-unearthing/revealment proceedings.







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It is remarkable that we seem to think along the same lines. It would be very cool to re-create the vault 2 or 3 sided, so that you would feel like you were really down there with the car in its tomb. right down to the water marks in the correct places on the walls, a rusty 57 or 58 2dr ht would be fine to use as the cover would completely conceal its identity and would look just like Miss B looked when she was lying in wait to be unearthed.
Sounds great, but where would it be best done? I tried to interest 57 heaven in the idea a year ago but they didn't seem to give a rats ass. Any ideas ?
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It is remarkable that we seem to think along the same lines. It would be very cool to re-create the vault 2 or 3 sided, so that you would feel like you were really down there with the car in its tomb. right down to the water marks in the correct places on the walls, a rusty 57 or 58 2dr ht would be fine to use as the cover would completely conceal its identity and would look just like Miss B looked when she was lying in wait to be unearthed.
Sounds great, but where would it be best done? I tried to interest 57 heaven in the idea a year ago but they didn't seem to give a rats ass. Any ideas ?
See if the city of Tulsa has any regrets about tossing it into the trash--maybe they would like to have it back----or sell it to ultra none to cover up their embarrasment. ...................................MO
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I think that T-Town, rightfully, is somewhat ashamed at the car's condition; it's not exactly a ringing-endorsement
for what the City did-do, in preserving the car.

They thought that they were protecting the car, but, from my scutiny of the vault, it looks like virtually no ceiling-
sealing was effected or applied; I am convinced that virtually all of the water which entered the vault did so by
way of ceiling leakages. Of course, that issue, and what the car would have looked like if IT had been fully enclosed
in a welded-up enclosure (like their precious Time Capsule was)....are moot points, now.

Pete, if some other stand-in for Ms. Belvie were to be used in some sort of neat diorama display, the whole effect would be
like that of a carnival display (like: the woman-with-no-body) instead of as a true museum display of real unrestored
artifacts; except that the Shoud WOULD be displayed in probably the best way, possible.

I just don't think that the Shroud has much value, without the Original-condition car, to accompany it.





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Posted 2009-02-11 7:00 PM (#162690 - in reply to #123355)
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Ah, it's about the car again. Was too hard to read all the strange rest...

My idea for that car is, to bury it again, so not the whole world sees that some 50 years ago in america some people were too stupid to build a waterproof case to preserve a car and some junk. I wonder if they could do it today. When I see some of the "repairs" performed on some cars we bought, I can hardly believe someone has ever flown to the moon...

Here's the Miss Fury from Switzerland:

Found it on a old junkyard last year. Those idiots there were to stupid to put is a few meters way back in the hall, where they'd park other cars like 4 doors and other crap and leave the original Fury out.
Very sad. I talked to her, but she didn't answer. She gave up.


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it works on every other forum. It would be so easy.

I have many more photos of that junkyard and the Fury.
If someone is interested here, I will make a new thread on it.
Cheers.

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I htink a few members will be pi$$ed when they see those Bumper Wings still intact.. Expect replies about Grabbing them.. Is the Car as Bad ( All Over ) as it Looks in the 2 PIC,s..?????????

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Here's the Miss Fury from Switzerland:



this must be the fury they DROVE into the yard. from what i heard it was nice but lost forward gears (probably broken front clutch, easy fix) and the junkyard owner drove it backwards for miles into his yard! can't believe they left it outside

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From all the over 300+ cars in this yard. Every country every make, crazy! This looked like the most rotten of them all. The rockers were gone. It was very sad. It was actually the car I took the most photos of, and the only car I did sit in. It was so sunken in the ground. I did "rescue" one of the Fury scripts from the rotten doorpanels inside. The rest I think is not for sale. Like the rest of the yard.

I will try to post more picutes tomorrow. I have to sleep now, its nearly 4 in the morning, and I'm looking at car pictures.... Anyone familar with this?!


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Posted 2009-02-11 9:39 PM (#162734 - in reply to #162733)
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Did ya get the pictures?
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Posted 2009-02-14 11:57 PM (#163250 - in reply to #123355)
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We've been seeing these pictures for over 4 years. Good luck to anyone "overseas" that can scoop the Fury up. It was probably crushed 4 years ago.
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I do not think so, as I took these pictures by myself last year, and nothing has happened since. The yard might become an open air museum or all cars will be crushed. They are arguing with the f.... swiss government not to crush the cars, and to keep the hundreds of cars as a historical place.
A new investor from Dubai is working with them now. Let's hope it stays.
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Weird stuff going on here -- this picture shows a '58 front end, but with odd fender spears:



And this picture shows it to be '57 with a '58 decklid:



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Definitely a mish mash of parts, Harris.

The fender spears are from a Plaza series, possibly the car was wrecked and the '58 parts from a Plaza bolted on? ---John
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Posted 2009-02-17 5:48 PM (#163569 - in reply to #123355)
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Why can't I link in pictures and they show up?
No I don't want all my pictures make super small and load 'em up here again... Takes Too much time...

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Posted 2009-02-17 5:49 PM (#163570 - in reply to #123355)
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Could be a modernized Fury, now that u say it, I wasn't sure what year it actually was. I wondered on my way back home. Usually the lower grille is very noticeable on the '57. That section is also destroyed here, but in the picure it looks like the '58 golden bars. But I was so nervous on this place that I did forget to check the car better out. I nearly had a heart attack there. And that Fury blew me away! I'm also not a Fury expert. The lights in front are '57 though. Or a light and a blink light that is. The car was a manual 3 speed and is a kp/h speedometer european version! Pretty rare I think.

In Switzerland Chrysler had a plant in a town called Schinznach. It was an assembly plant. They did get the cars in parts from USA and put them together in that plant. GM had also one in Biel. That way they got around the high import taxes the swiss border demanded.

It might be a car they did put togehter with older and newer parts later in '57. But I'm not sure. I have planned to go there not too long, and I will check the car more out.

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While looking at the pictures again I noticed that the front fenders and hood have no more paint on 'em and are rusted over complete. So is the trunk. Probably had that accident, who BIG M has guessed and was either fixed with parts from a donor car, that were repainted or with spare parts that were painted the white color. Looks like not the same paint quality as the original rest of the car!


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Posted 2009-02-17 6:46 PM (#163576 - in reply to #163571)
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Why were you so nervous, in that yard?

The Black Forest? Trrransylvania???
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Posted 2009-02-17 6:56 PM (#163578 - in reply to #123355)
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Why, 'cause there were about 500 or more vintage cars there, and I'm a car guy. Nuff said?
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Posted 2009-02-17 7:03 PM (#163579 - in reply to #163578)
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Oh, I thought that you meant that you were afraid for your physical health, there!

Mental-health is an entirely different issue--Mopar Fanaticus Irregularis is a fatal brain disorder, I understand.





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Posted 2009-02-17 10:17 PM (#163608 - in reply to #123355)
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The fender spears are too far forward too. A lot of pictures of this yard and the "Fury" have been floating around for years. Different people taking them. This is the first time I have viewed pictures from inside the car. "She's wasted"- Boyd Coddington. The car gets worse and worse every time I view the pictures.
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Posted 2009-02-18 4:02 PM (#163675 - in reply to #163608)
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The Boydster said that? How rude, in front of the Lady.

"And, when you speak of me; speak well." [ C. Davis].




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Posted 2009-02-23 5:48 PM (#164496 - in reply to #123355)
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Miss belvedere, may be gone now, but she had fun before go to the concrete vault, remember that guy who drove the s**t out of her on the dirt,?. The guy was kick out of the tulsarama event because his reckless drive.
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Wasn't he a youngster, around the age of 15? Seems to me I read that in one of the kiosks that were set up there. ---John
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I like that speedometer- sure would be cool to take that and convert it to work in mph. A "one up" above the 150 mph speedometers..
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Gotta wonder if there's ever going to be any more "progress" - hell, I'm starting to wonder if there's still any more CAR.....
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Posted 2009-06-19 4:40 AM (#178521 - in reply to #163570)
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The car was a manual 3 speed and is a kp/h speedometer european version! Pretty rare I think.

Even rarer than you think !!!!
This is the first time I see a kph speedometer on a '57-'58 Fury !

I've seen european '57-'58 Fury before but they all had a mph speedo.
It was always assumed that the Fury model was not assembled in Europe but delivered straight from the US plants, thus with mph speedo.
Almost all other european '57-'58 Plymouth models did have kph speedometers.

And also, it is not a usual kph speedometer, as it goes over 200kph (the steering wheel does hide the last number, but my guess is 240 kph).
It is the first '57-'58 Plymouth 240kph speedometer that I see !




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Many Plymouths and Chryslers were built in Belgium during this time. If it was built there, it's a sure bet that it has a metric speedo. Keep in mind that US plants ALSO built the occasional order for the European market, and those cars, too, have a metric speedo, even if it were built in the US. I know, I owned a Plymouth with a metric speedo, sent new to a funeral director in Belgium, and it was built in Hamtramck, Michigan new.
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Posted 2009-10-06 1:18 AM (#191402 - in reply to #123355)
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Yes you are right, but so far all european '57-'58 Fury I saw had an mph speedo.
And all '57-'58 european Plymouth with a metric speedo had a 200kph maximum speed.
This one goes to 240kph and it is totally unknown in the parts manual.

PS : are you located in Belgium ?

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Posted 2009-11-26 7:59 PM (#198535 - in reply to #123355)
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Hey all sorry been gone so long. I see no new news on miss B. I have been working on my 4dr sed. She has wide whites and the right hub caps now.

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Posted 2009-12-04 4:58 PM (#199484 - in reply to #198535)
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Hey, James; well, that's about all that can be said about Ms. Belvie, too!

Does anyone know whatever happened to that Fury, above here, with the Kilo-Speedo???




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Posted 2009-12-05 3:11 AM (#199564 - in reply to #123355)
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So I hope she is not totally lost, MS B that is.

I thought only right drive cars would have a Kilo speedo?
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According to the auction results it was sold. No idea who bought it or for how much. The list just said sold.
I would guess it was parted out as it was so rough, no engine or transmission...


d500neil - 2009-12-04 11:58 PM

Hey, James; well, that's about all that can be said about Ms. Belvie, too!

Does anyone know whatever happened to that Fury, above here, with the Kilo-Speedo???

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Does anyone know whatever happened to that Fury, above here, with the Kilo-Speedo???





That car, along with a Belvedere sedan, was purchased by a German member of the International Christine Club.

And no -- he's not going to paint it red and white!

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This will take some diggin and a really big forklift.

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Yeah, if it holds together. Even the back glass has fallen few inches to the trunk.
Still, that speedo would have been a nice conversation piece - and the car seems to have power windows too. Shame that the drive train was gone...

h-bomb, has the German International Christine Club member post any pictures of the car? I would love to see them.

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The drivetrain is in the trunk!


He has a bunch of pictures of the Fury, and everything else located in the yard, here at his Photobucket link:

http://s524.photobucket.com/albums/cc323/AudioMobil/autofriedhof/

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Thanks for the link!
So, it did indeed have engine (in the trunk). The add said no engine. Thou, the engine looks it has 2 bbl intake - the dual fours & air cleaners were gone.
Man, it was event rougher than I thought.
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She's more than rough, almost no floors, no rockers...I'm not sure if this car will come out in one piece!
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The fender spears are from a Plaza series, possibly the car was wrecked and the '58 parts from a Plaza bolted on? ---John


I met a guy who owns a 1957 Belvedere 2dr HT that spent all it's life in Switzerland. He told me that all swiss Plymouths had flat Plaza fender spears because the "normal" ones weren't allowed. I guess they were considered too dangerous for pedestrians?
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Yeah like hitting them with the fender wouldn't hurt enough finish them off with an above fender spear LMAO.
Sorry I know thats not PC. oh yeah I forgot pc is no fun LOL. Hey welcome to the site.

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Posted 2009-12-18 5:21 PM (#201254 - in reply to #200404)
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Just came across something really interesting, last nite, at home, while I was researching Horace Dodge's
257 ft Motor Steam Ship S.S. Delphine II (which cost $1.5MIL to build, in 1921-dollars).

Unfortunately, H.D. did not live to see the ship's completion. The ship is now fully restored, and resides in Monaco.

But, this is not 'it'....

Right next to the "Dodge Dynasty" and "Tangled Web" books, in Re: the Dodge brothers, on my bookshelves, are "Plymouth
Its First 40 years", and, "Plymouth Its First 50 Years" .

These two book-lets were published on June 11, 1968 and June 11, 1978.

Here comes the good part: both books have a chapter (identical) entitled: "Tulsa in 2007" .

It contains nothing that we already don't know, about Ms. Belvie, except that we, now, well-know what the sad-outcome was to have been upon her un-earthing.

Imagine the future-anticipation that was produced, back in 1968, and in 1978, when these books were published, long-before Friday June 15, 2007 (or, Wednesday June 13, 2007, when some of us were present to watch the vault lids get to be removed, revealing the remains of the car, before it was publicly revealed, on 6/15/07).

I'll send Sir Clive a couple pics of that chapter, to post here.







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Posted 2009-12-18 8:42 PM (#201281 - in reply to #123355)
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Good find, Neil,

I'll look forward to seeing the pics.

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Hey Neil, just how many books do you have on MoPar subjects? My guess that it would rival the Library of Congress, am I close :o)

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Posted 2009-12-21 2:05 PM (#201535 - in reply to #201492)
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I was going to refer to my "Library", but thought that that term was pretentious. It is an extensive collection.

I've even got "P47 Thunderbolt AT War", which shows and briefly discusses Chrysler's 1943 development of its 16 cylinder
Hemi head inverted-V liquid cooled engine, with the airframe designated P-47-H, which developed 2,500HP.

Unfortunately :" The engine had teething troubles for many months, and the war was almost over before XP-47-H...ever
took to the air."

Chrysler's development of this engine was the seminal event in its creation of the automotive Firepower Hemi engine, in 1951.

Just some trivia, while we wait for Clive's article-posting....



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Posted 2009-12-22 1:55 AM (#201651 - in reply to #123355)
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This is why Neil is the go to guy with the Dodge questions. So Neil when does the Dodge resto guide come out because I want the first autograghted copy. So I have it if my 57 ever really gets some paint on it.

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Posted 2009-12-22 2:08 PM (#201701 - in reply to #201651)
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Flattery will get you nowhere (ahem)...

Turns out that the pics of/from these book-lets did not get attached to my PM to Sir Clive (flattery, huh??), so,
I'm re-sending them to him, now, but he's off-line, right now.




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Posted 2009-12-22 3:46 PM (#201727 - in reply to #123355)
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Neil, you've got 7592 posts on your name.... How come no-one has ever told you how to post a picture on this site?
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Posted 2009-12-22 4:29 PM (#201735 - in reply to #201727)
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They know what they're doing.....be afraid, be very afraid.
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Posted 2009-12-22 4:41 PM (#201736 - in reply to #123355)
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"They" are not keeping you 'in ze dark' now do "they"?
If you're in the dark aswell, well... I might become afraid of the dark...
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Posted 2009-12-22 4:45 PM (#201739 - in reply to #201254)
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d500neil - 2009-12-18 10:21 PM


I'll send Sir Clive a couple pics of that chapter, to post here.



Neil Finally sent these for You ALL............

Here's the long awaited views and story that Plymouth published,
as early as 6/11/68, in its book-let "Plymouth Its First 40 Years".

As "Plymouth Its First 50 Years" was published on 6/11/78, that
month/day is probably Plymouth's official Birthday.

The first book was written by Gary Blonston, then a member of the
editorial staff of "The Detroit Free Press" newspaper.

The book's second edition was updated and prepared/written by
The Corp's Historical Society, and Mr. Don Butler, a retired
Corp. stylist and a then-automobile history researcher/author.


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Posted 2009-12-22 5:22 PM (#201753 - in reply to #201739)
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Here's a little more trivia, from these books---it's been said/written that the name "Plymouth" was derived from
a commercial brand of durable dependable (hey, that's DODGE'S slogan) bailing wire.

But, these books state that the car's name: "....called the Plymouth--a symbol the 'the endurance and strength, the
rugged honesty, enterprise and determination of achievement and freedom from old limitations of the Pilgrim band
(never heard their music?) who were the first American colonists' . "

The Detroit Free Press, "in mid-June, 1928" , probably on-or-around 6/11/28 I'll bet, published a teaser-article about
the introduction of an as-yet un-named company's plans to produce a new economy car to be called the Plymouth.




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Posted 2009-12-23 2:00 AM (#201836 - in reply to #123355)
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Thanks Neil and Clive, for that post thats KOOL. If only they knew that there was alot of HARMeticly (no) seal going on in Tulsa.


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Posted 2009-12-23 3:13 PM (#201914 - in reply to #201836)
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Arguably, the Tulsarama Folks, and the Corporation, were 'guilty' of their self-promotion regarding the burying of the
Plymmie in a Time Capsule, with the car's fate having been left to its being buried, enclosed within a stitched-together
baggie, [instead of within a welded-shut container, as were the City's own documents] in a low-groundwater area that
was subject to flooding from the nearby Arkansas River...... but both the City's and the Corp's opinions regarding the
car's 2007 condition were genuine expressions of Future-Optimism, as opposed to the current opinions of Future-
Negativity and Despair and cynicism which appear everywhere, today.








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Posted 2009-12-24 3:43 AM (#202005 - in reply to #123355)
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Yepper Neil you are soooo right.

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Posted 2010-07-18 10:59 PM (#233209 - in reply to #123355)
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My 57 Fury also has 58 hood and trunk emblems, but in my case , I think it's due to the build date. Does anyone know the build date of number of that 57?
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Posted 2010-07-20 8:06 AM (#233392 - in reply to #233209)
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I checked the VIN# at Chrylser Historical and they told me they do have the original build sheet.
I still have to figure out how to send the money and we'll see how it will turn out...the VIN is 16221697
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I checked the VIN# at Chrylser Historical and they told me they do have the original build sheet.
I still have to figure out how to send the money and we'll see how it will turn out...the VIN is 16221697


Do you have a body number? Like 404-____? Under the hood.

Thanks, Ron
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Posted 2010-07-20 10:28 AM (#233403 - in reply to #123355)
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I couldn't find any other numbers, there's no body tag...or it's already gone...
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Posted 2010-07-20 11:07 AM (#233411 - in reply to #123355)
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Proof of ownership is one of the requirements in obtaining build information. Are they willing to make different arrangements for you considering the vehicle and circumstance? (Or do you own Ms. Belvedere now... in which case disregard...)

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Posted 2010-07-20 11:38 AM (#233417 - in reply to #123355)
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I have a bill of sale but I have to ask if they would accept paypal because an international money order is expensive...

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Posted 2010-07-20 11:46 AM (#233418 - in reply to #123355)
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They will accept a bill of sale. That is what I used for my vehicle, too. Congrats. I hadn't realized that you purchased the vehicle.

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Posted 2010-07-20 1:35 PM (#233426 - in reply to #123355)
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What car are you talking about?

 

I didn't buy Miss Belvedere...I don't know what happened to her? Is she still at Ultra One?

 

I bought a 1957 Fury at an auction on the legendary swiss junkyard in september 2009...and bought a 1957 Belvedere 4dr as

well. I guess both cars have even more rust than Miss Belvedere, I took these photos a few weeks ago...

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Posted 2010-07-20 2:35 PM (#233436 - in reply to #123355)
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Ah, I assumed that since this thread is about Ms. Belvedere, that you were talking about that particular car.

What are your plans for these cars? Looks like a really involved project! I look forward to updates on your progress.
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Posted 2010-07-20 3:11 PM (#233440 - in reply to #233436)
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Trying to make Ms. Belvie JEALOUS, about your car's condition, Roland????---lololol....!




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Posted 2010-07-20 4:11 PM (#233452 - in reply to #123355)
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The body tag could very well have been picked years ago, but it should be on the drivers side on the firewall. Here's mine for a reference.
All the 57's I know of were built in Detroit, and your VIN would seem to say the same. I can't be 100% sure though.

You are a brave man with no fear, ans I wish you well! Goodluck!

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Posted 2010-07-20 5:23 PM (#233467 - in reply to #233452)
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Roland, please put your car's photos, and restoration work, on a thread, dedicated to your car, on our Member's Rides
board!

You are a brave man, indeed!

What part of Alemania do you hail-from?

We've got some 'brothers' possibly living close to you, who will be glad to give you their free-advice on
restoring your car.








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Posted 2010-07-20 5:27 PM (#233468 - in reply to #123355)
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I am also interested in which part of Germany you are located. My mother just returned from a visit there yesterday. Our family is in Wurzburg. My grandmother has just recently passed away, and she traveled there to help settle the estate and attend the memorial service. Unfortunately, I was unable to go. I haven't been back to Germany for over 10 years now.
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Posted 2010-07-20 6:33 PM (#233477 - in reply to #123355)
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GREAT pictures. Thanks for sharing them! I would be very keen to see more.
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Posted 2010-07-20 6:39 PM (#233478 - in reply to #123355)
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I'm living near Ulm, which is located between Munich and Stuttgart. I posted the whole story of my cars on the International Christine Club forum. I'll start a thread over here as soon as I find some free time!

Both cars from the swiss junkyard are too far gone to be saved, but there are still useable parts left. I'd really love to restore the Fury but the body is almost broken apart, the frame is gone too. I knew they were bad but the rust is even worse than you can imagine...
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Posted 2010-07-20 6:44 PM (#233480 - in reply to #233478)
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No, but you've got that nifty 150 (kph/mph?) speedometer, and a manual transmission set up, and maybe the
VIN tag and/or P/T plate from a real Fury, and some parts, too, in order to recreate that particular car, using
a donor car.

Is the Fury engine (block) still in the car?

Have you tried pushing the car backwards?








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Posted 2010-07-20 7:58 PM (#233488 - in reply to #123355)
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I'm afraid I don't have the money to buy a 2nd car and start a restoration. Of course, if you find a straight, restoreable 2dr HT on a useable frame and if you find all the missing bits and pieces you could easily rebuild the Fury and swap the VIN#...the engine is a 318 with a 2bbl setup. I don't know if it's original, it was in the trunk when I found the car...together with a manual 3-speed transmission. Never seen a Fury with a 3-on-the-tree. The engine could be correct, maybe someone added the 2bbl setup later to get better mileage, who knows...even the manual transmission could be original. We will know when I order the build sheet...

By the way...the car doesn't have a 150mph speedo...but...



This is the only european Fury speedometer I've ever seen for real or on photos on the internet... (240kph = 150mph)

...and I have a really large collection of 57/58/59 related photos!



We tried to push it forward and backwards...it didn't move an inch! Only one wheel was moving a little.
Even the steering is stuck. Remember, this car sat in a moist wood for about 40 years...

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Posted 2010-07-20 8:30 PM (#233491 - in reply to #123355)
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Roland,

Scrape the area on the block just beneath the driver's side cylinder head, if it starts FP31 it is the original Fury block. If it begins with P31 it is a'57 301.

Just a "touch of rust" right?
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Posted 2010-07-20 9:02 PM (#233496 - in reply to #233491)
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That car is so F'ing major-Kool....it's 3-speed transmission is a reason why I started that "Bullet-proof 3-Speed"
thread over on the Trannie-Board; there must be someone who can build up a vintage manual trannie
so that it can provide reliable service, with good gearing in it.

37K kilometers is only about 22k MILES; this car was parked with small-mileage on it; maybe some minor mechanical
(transmission??) snafu, and, it turns into THIS condition.....????

Maybe that's 137K....82Kmiles; that's reasonable mileage for a car to be abandoned, back then.

Roland, do you have this car's VIN plate?

BTW, pushing the car backwards seemed to help in restoring some other Plymmie, IIRC!












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Posted 2010-07-20 11:18 PM (#233517 - in reply to #123355)
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Ulm! Not far at all from my family. Very small world.

I really hope to see your project come along, even if it will be slowly. It already has a rich history, and will make quite the transformation portfolio! Not to mention she is one very unique lady!
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Posted 2010-07-21 1:29 AM (#233532 - in reply to #233517)
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Posted 2010-07-21 7:43 AM (#233546 - in reply to #123355)
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big m - 2010-07-21 2:30 AM

Roland,

Scrape the area on the block just beneath the driver's side cylinder head, if it starts FP31 it is the original Fury block. If it begins with P31 it is a'57 301.

Just a "touch of rust" right?


John, I will check the engine number as soon as I get there next time...hopefully this weekend...

d500neil - 2010-07-21 3:02 AM

37K kilometers is only about 22k MILES; this car was parked with small-mileage on it; maybe some minor mechanical
(transmission??) snafu, and, it turns into THIS condition.....????

Maybe that's 137K....82Kmiles; that's reasonable mileage for a car to be abandoned, back then.

Roland, do you have this car's VIN plate?

BTW, pushing the car backwards seemed to help in restoring some other Plymmie, IIRC!


I would say the Fury looks more like 137k...there's some evidence the car was already botchy when it ended up in the yard. Someone added fog lights which must have been an ugly sight. There are bracket attached to the hood and it was secured with two leather straps (you still can see them wrapped around the bumper). Broken or missing seat springs were tied up with some strings, bad welding traces around the rear window. When the car was laid to rest all engine parts and most of the trim was inside the car or in the trunk...looks like someone tried to fix it but gave up and scrapped it! I guess the last owner was a younger dude. Another funny thing: Someone added an auxiliary input to the radio and wired a 2nd speaker to it. I have to try if the radio's still working...but I have my doubts...

 

Other than the Fury the 57 Belvedere I bought at the junkyard looks like an unmolested, original car that was wrecked in an accident in 1967 (when it was 10 years old). I found some newspapers dated december 1967 and the car has 67k km on the clock...

 

By the way...I already had the VIN plate before I bought the car. When I went there for the first time last summer my girlfriend found it on the ground. It fell off the door jamb because the rivets rusted away...

 

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Posted 2010-07-21 5:42 PM (#233598 - in reply to #233546)
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You (and your car) are GOLDEN!

That VIN will allow the H.S. to provide you with your car's IBM Build card, which will tell you exactly how your car
was built.

Also, if you do not have the car's Paint/Trim data plate, someone at the Golden Fin Society can show you how the
correct P/T plate should appear, so that you can have a replacement P/T plate be custom-stamped by AG Back East,
whose contact information is shown as a Sticky-message, at the top of our Fender tag Decoding message board.





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Posted 2010-07-21 5:48 PM (#233600 - in reply to #123355)
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Your car has a 2-bbl-carb intake manifold on it.

Altho extremely unlikely, I wonder if your car could have been built with that set up, instead of with the standard
dual 4-bbl-carb set up????

Yeah, I know: it's likely that the dualies were replaced by someone who wanted to get some MPG out of the car...
but, still....?




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Posted 2010-07-21 6:29 PM (#233610 - in reply to #123355)
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I may be wrong, and if so please correct me, but 1957 Plymouth Fury's from Detroit (which include all 7438 57 Fury's built) did not have Paint/Trim data plates. Only Body Number plates like the one I posted above. Although I do see the paint/trim data plates on 1958 cars from Los Angeles quite often. The information you are seeking, like Neil says, will surely be on your IBM Punch/Build Card.

I can save you some of the suspense though. Your body number will likely start out "404-_ _ _ _", your color code should be "AAA" (Sand Dune White), your body type should be "F6" and your Trim code should be "349".

All of those numbers should be the same for all 57 Fury's.
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phurious - 2010-07-22 1:29 AM

I may be wrong, and if so please correct me, but 1957 Plymouth Fury's from Detroit (which include all 7438 57 Fury's built) did not have Paint/Trim data plates.


That's correct.
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Posted 2010-07-22 4:33 PM (#233757 - in reply to #123355)
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Were Fury's with 240kph speedos built in Detroit?
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Posted 2010-07-31 7:34 AM (#235017 - in reply to #123355)
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And i though my car was in a bad condition! Good luck with your car!

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Posted 2010-07-31 8:23 PM (#235107 - in reply to #233491)
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Roland,

Scrape the area on the block just beneath the driver's side cylinder head, if it starts FP31 it is the original Fury block. If it begins with P31 it is a'57 301.

Just a "touch of rust" right?


This is where you should be looking Roland. If that was a Fury engine then it will have all the Fury-only special parts inside, and not likely to be beyond restoration and quite useable. Get scraping...
Glenn.

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Posted 2010-08-26 11:53 AM (#238443 - in reply to #233488)
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AudioMobil - 2010-07-21 1:58 AM

This is the only european Fury speedometer I've ever seen for real or on photos on the internet... (240kph = 150mph)

This is exactly what I was saying in this topic a few months ago (see page 5).
I have seen pictures of european Furys, and they all had the 150mph speedo.
I even held one from a french '57 Fury in my hands, and it had the 150mph speedo with golden kph numbers painted on the clear cover.

And the weird thing is that this 240kph speedo is unknown in the Mopar parts book !
It only lists the 120mph, the 150mph and the 200kph speedos ...

Truly a rare find.

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Posted 2010-08-26 2:29 PM (#238452 - in reply to #238443)
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There are unknown P/N's for Dodge type rear antenna bases, that do not appear in my 55-58 parts book, too,
the numbers are (off the top[?] of my head) ..something like 1838481/482.

The parts exist and have DCPD numbers (according to a correspondent), but there are no such numbers shown
for them in the Good Book.

The 57-58 Dodge dualie antennae P/N's are listed in the Book; just not THESE numbers.

Boy, are WE off-thread, here....ah well, Ms. Belvie has been screwed-over, anyway...RIP, lady!







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Posted 2010-08-26 2:49 PM (#238455 - in reply to #238452)
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Posted 2010-09-03 11:55 PM (#239648 - in reply to #123355)
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Miss B's on ebay? well sort of...

http://cgi.ebay.com/1957-1958-Plymouth-1-25-model-FREE-SHIPPING-NO-...

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d500neil
Posted 2010-09-06 8:03 PM (#239997 - in reply to #239648)
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'Hope that the modeler included the Boyd-broken driver's vent window, too.





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Posted 2010-09-15 12:33 AM (#241487 - in reply to #123355)
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I see the model was purchased for $20.00. I guess P.T. Barnum was right! LOL
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Posted 2010-09-27 1:29 AM (#243126 - in reply to #123355)
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Good Lord, Roland - you ought to get all the respect & props in the world just for getting that poor beauty out in one piece.

I've seen pics of this one over the years & it always seemed like the poor thing had become one with the very earth it sat on.
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Posted 2010-09-29 8:39 PM (#243620 - in reply to #233491)
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big m - 2010-07-20 8:30 PM

Roland,

Scrape the area on the block just beneath the driver's side cylinder head, if it starts FP31 it is the original Fury block. If it begins with P31 it is a'57 301.



Wasn't a 318 also offered in '57 and if so, how can one tell the difference?

And to keep this on-topic... has anyone heard from Ms. Belvedere lately? Anyone know her status?

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AudioMobil
Posted 2010-09-30 6:02 AM (#243657 - in reply to #123355)
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The 57 Fury standard engine was a 318, but Ron noticed that the valve covers on my engine have only 2 bolts instead of 3...so I guess it's a later 318 from 1959 or newer...

I heard nothing from Miss Belvedere during the last months, maybe she crumbled when they tried to open the doors?

Dave, how are you? Where you've been? How's Elisabeth coming along?

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Posted 2010-09-30 4:06 PM (#243742 - in reply to #243657)
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AudioMobil - 2010-09-30 6:02 AM

Dave, how are you? Where you've been? How's Elisabeth coming along?

 

Doing as well as can be expected all things considered. My software job was sent to Asia last year and I was laid off in June '09. I've been looking for something else ever since but still haven't scored. Being 50 doesn't help since a lot of employers seem to be seeking younger (cheaper) talent. I work on Elizabeth whenever I get the chance... more like whenever I'm in the mood. My spirits have been awfully down lately and it's sometimes hard to get motivated in that regard.

 

It could always be worse though so I guess I should count my blessings and shut up. 

 

 

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Posted 2010-09-30 10:18 PM (#243802 - in reply to #123355)
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Keep your chin up Dave, you're still breathing, still have your health. Safety Mike was down for a while too but he finally got his stuff going good again.
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Posted 2010-11-03 12:32 AM (#248046 - in reply to #123355)
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Hi Mike, really great photo"s and seems like lots of work will be needed. Just want to say goodluck and continue to help her. Thanks
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Posted 2011-08-01 7:23 AM (#283042 - in reply to #123842)
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I agree 100% they should of put her in a room and sealed it .
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Posted 2011-11-29 8:26 AM (#297866 - in reply to #123355)
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Its a shame Tulsa did not think about putting Miss Belvedere in above ground vault and locking it with seal doors. The mayor would be the only 1 to have the keys and thier would be an exhaust hose so the car could be started at least once or twice a month to prevent the motor from freezing up.
The car would be in better condition and she would be running
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Posted 2011-11-29 7:25 PM (#297948 - in reply to #123355)
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Yup... Keep your chin up... February of 2009, I lost my job. I lost my Ram, which I had at 2 years at that point that I had bought new, a whole lot of dignity, and I ended up having to move to Illinois to find work. Now, I am back up in WI, just bought a new ram and my wife a slightly used (2010) Chrysler Town and Country. Take advantage of what you can while you are down. I did bankruptcy and basically did away with all non secured (and some secured) debt. So.. when it started going well again, I was in a hell of a much better position to recover quickly.
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Posted 2011-12-06 7:43 PM (#298848 - in reply to #297948)
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I am unemployed too . I have been job hunting I put my resume online . I have also filled out applications and printed out resumes and gave them out with my applications. I do surveys online for my income until someone calls me for a job offer
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Posted 2011-12-11 11:20 PM (#299436 - in reply to #298848)
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I recently learned that an engineer suggest that a drain be installed in the Vault were Miss Belvedere was before she was uneartheb but they did not listen .
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Posted 2011-12-12 12:35 PM (#299456 - in reply to #299436)
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1961plymouthfury - 2011-12-11 8:20 PM

I recently learned that an engineer suggest that a drain be installed in the Vault were Miss Belvedere was before she was uneartheb but they did not listen .


The water table there is fairly high, it would have required a sump pump certain times of year, most likely.

---John
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Posted 2011-12-14 3:20 PM (#299704 - in reply to #299456)
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LOL: a sump pump WAS utilized---on WED 7/13/07.....when the lids were removed from over the vault.

The vault was well sealed, except at/along its top areas.

There was no evidence that the water that got into the vault came from anywhere other than through the non-sealed
joints along the tops and sides of the three lids that were physically placed on top of the vault.

The three lids were not even fitted with any tongue-in-groove joints; they just butted up against each other, and there
wasn't any evidence of there having been any real seam-sealer having been applied to their joints, either.




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Posted 2011-12-19 4:47 PM (#300304 - in reply to #123355)
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Details... details... details.
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Posted 2011-12-19 8:08 PM (#300324 - in reply to #123355)
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Still can't believe someone didn't say, "you know what... maybe this underground thing isn't a very good idea".
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Posted 2011-12-19 8:45 PM (#300332 - in reply to #300324)
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Well, where's Doc Brown when you need him???

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Posted 2012-01-12 11:26 AM (#303365 - in reply to #300324)
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That is a good question. Why didn't they say that?
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Posted 2012-01-12 7:26 PM (#303425 - in reply to #303365)
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...Nobody cared; they'd all be dead (or nearly so) 50 years later.

"Yeah, this ought to work, just fine...."

Y'know; Ms. B. is arguably in a lot (OK: some-what) better condition than is that 57 Fury, as seen at the top of this 'page' !






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catspajamas
Posted 2012-02-14 6:39 AM (#307768 - in reply to #123355)
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Well, Miss B is in bad shape but not as bad as some I've seen, especially for a museum piece. If you think that car is bad, you oughtta see some of the wooden boats I've seen come rotting out of the boneyards and were subsequently restored (Al Capone's was one of 'em). The crazy rascal belongs in Tulsa but since they obviously left her at the altar perhaps that car museum in Branson (I think) MO could find a place for her next to the perfectly preserved one they used for the lift tests prior to hoisting Miss B out of the hole. In any event, a few pictures of the progress - if any - would be appreciated, or at least let us know if she was scrapped - "closure", ya know. Here's a comforting thought though - that lousy vault design (no drainage, top so-called seal, no way for water to get out) is the same as that which contains most of our dearly departed relatives. Miss B fared a lot better than what I've seen come up for a forensic autopsy.
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Posted 2012-02-14 12:26 PM (#307798 - in reply to #307768)
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catspajamas - 2012-02-14 3:39 AM

Well, Miss B is in bad shape but not as bad as some I've seen, especially for a museum piece. If you think that car is bad, you oughtta see some of the wooden boats I've seen come rotting out of the boneyards and were subsequently restored (Al Capone's was one of 'em). The crazy rascal belongs in Tulsa but since they obviously left her at the altar perhaps that car museum in Branson (I think) MO could find a place for her next to the perfectly preserved one they used for the lift tests prior to hoisting Miss B out of the hole. In any event, a few pictures of the progress - if any - would be appreciated, or at least let us know if she was scrapped - "closure", ya know. Here's a comforting thought though - that lousy vault design (no drainage, top so-called seal, no way for water to get out) is the same as that which contains most of our dearly departed relatives. Miss B fared a lot better than what I've seen come up for a forensic autopsy.


Unfortunately, the museum in Branson, '57 Heaven, has auctioned all their cars off and closed the doors forever. This was several years ago.

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Posted 2012-02-15 6:50 PM (#308014 - in reply to #307798)
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And, what a perfect un-cleaned-up exhibit Ms. Belvie would have made, there.



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Posted 2012-03-14 6:58 AM (#312024 - in reply to #163472)
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Posted 2012-03-25 3:16 PM (#313791 - in reply to #312024)
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Amazing what a new set of wheels can do to a car Larry. I know a bodyshop that can spiff that right up for you. 1 year turn around I hear.

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Posted 2012-05-16 7:51 PM (#321494 - in reply to #313791)
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Is this Miss B out to pasture?

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