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Posted 2008-05-01 8:38 AM (#128011)
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Take a look what's on eBay right now...

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/THE-Cover-1957-Plymouth-Tulsarama_W0...





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Posted 2008-05-01 8:50 AM (#128013 - in reply to #128011)
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HMMmmmmmmm.. Strange that the Seller is in New Zealand.. Possibly a Photo Shop Pic,s.. I would be Very Careful of a Scam.. And Want Documented Proof this is the Genuine Article..
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Posted 2008-05-01 3:00 PM (#128076 - in reply to #128013)
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How close is "East Tamaki" to Auckland?

I wonder what it cost, to ship it to NZ, from MD????
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Posted 2008-05-01 3:02 PM (#128077 - in reply to #128011)
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It's funny how some of those pics look just like a close-up , of a covered small model car.
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Posted 2008-05-01 3:28 PM (#128082 - in reply to #128011)
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Sumthin' fishy about this one, but wouldn't it be cool...
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Posted 2008-05-01 3:31 PM (#128084 - in reply to #128011)
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If you blow up the pictures the car looks more real. It's either a VERY GOOD unrestored model car or it is a real car.

As to the authenticity of the cover itself, I'm not sold... Why is it not in Tulsa or at Ultra None?
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Posted 2008-05-01 7:41 PM (#128126 - in reply to #128011)
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Maybe it will be like the shroud or Turin, mysteriously moving all over till Rome finally snagged it.

Does it have a picture of a 57 Plymouth on the inside of it, deposited in iron oxide? It will become a religious relic over time and become valuable!

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Posted 2008-05-01 8:49 PM (#128134 - in reply to #128011)
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Who knows? Maybe Paula Hale could tell us what ever became of the ziplock bag. Back then they must not have known that blue and yellow make green.
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Posted 2008-05-02 2:33 AM (#128176 - in reply to #128011)
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Posted 2008-05-02 11:37 AM (#128211 - in reply to #128176)
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...it's real...I've touched it...


"I can touch 'em... They're real enough for me!"
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Posted 2008-05-02 1:05 PM (#128232 - in reply to #128176)
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FURY - 2008-05-02 7:33 AM

...it's real...I've touched it...


Glenn,,

I touched it as well... ( in Tulsa ) ..............LOL

If this is Genuine , What is the Story on how it ended up in NZ
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Posted 2008-05-03 2:57 AM (#128345 - in reply to #128232)
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This is 100% genuine. This is the only cover that was buried with the Tulsa Plymouth, for 50 years. It is the real deal.
You can ask the seller questions on Ebay. He lives in the same city as myself, in Auckland, New Zealand. The cover has already been on display at a car show here.
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Posted 2008-05-05 12:29 AM (#128567 - in reply to #128345)
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-and how did He come into possession of such an important piece? This is a legitimate question -
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Posted 2008-05-05 3:09 AM (#128575 - in reply to #128567)
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It was destined for the bin out the back of the auditorium in Tulsa. The seller saved it, as he knew the significance of this historical piece. If he hadn't, the question would have always been "I wonder whatever happened to the cover...?". He went to great lengths to ensure it's safe keeping. I had been sworn to secrecy until now, and it's a secret that I really would have rather been able to talk to people about. This will be like 70 Hemi Cudas. Except it is rarer. It may seem expensive what it may sell for this week. Next year someone will sell it for twice the price, and the year after for 4 times the price, until one day you may never be able to afford it. His reserve price this week will seem like a steal next year....
If I had somewhere to display it then I would buy it myself. The seller wants to see it go to a public museum, where it can be displayed, so that everyone can enjoy it forever.
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Posted 2008-05-05 5:59 AM (#128583 - in reply to #128011)
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AHhhhh... So the Miss Belve Car Cover is STOLEN then,, ( Grand Theft Car Cover ) .. And them Smuggled Across Sea,s.. Left in Hiding for a Year, And then For Sale.. HMmmmmmmm !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

LMAO..........

Seriously, I can,t believe they were gonna Bin It, Yet another Thing the Commitee got Wrong.. I wonder what 57 Heaven would have said HAD he Bought" Miss Belvedere ".. As that would of been part of the Display..

Good Call to Rescue it , Your Friend did well..
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Posted 2008-05-05 12:35 PM (#128618 - in reply to #128583)
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As many "Tulsa plymouth" crazy people that were there, I have a hard time believing that ONE (1) guy got the chance to own a piece of it....

I mean, if it's so "Rare" and "historical", then why didn't the Tulsa People "Auction" off the d@mn thing?

I can't believe they woulda passed up the chance to sell a peice of "History"......
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Posted 2008-05-05 6:03 PM (#128681 - in reply to #128618)
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I just sent Paula Hale a PM, asking her about the legitimacy of someone's allegedly having "given" the shoud, to its
profiteer (I mean: owner/seller).

Hopefully, he got a receipt for it's having been 'given' to him.

Receiving Stolen Property is frowned upon, in the U.S. .







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Posted 2008-05-05 9:46 PM (#128725 - in reply to #128011)
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I hate it for who hugged that cover and folded it. Death comes in 6 months to those who touch with ill intentions. FACT.
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Posted 2008-05-05 10:05 PM (#128726 - in reply to #128583)
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I know the guy with the cover. I believe he asked the curator of 57 Heaven if they wanted to display it, but never heard back. As far as I'm concerned he has saved this piece, but then I don't want to get involved. However I did interupt a meeting of Tulsa City staff who were discussing whether to clean up the car before the unveiling and I begged them not to, and they listened. And I did jump over the fence and run past security during the unveiling to beg Boyds crew to stop polishing the car on stage (as by rights they didn't own it and I don't think that something this original and significant should be touched by people who are in the business of ruining classic cars (thanks to those guys for punching in the quarter light window by the way, I saw that..)), while thousands happily watched on and did nothing.

Tell me, does anybody know where the skids are that the car was on? A friend of mine tried to save them but ran out of time. In theory someone out there must know its whereabouts, because it to should have gone to 57 Heaven with the car. Surely it wouldn't have been thrown out?!
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Posted 2008-05-06 1:00 AM (#128737 - in reply to #128011)
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What do you mean " gone to 57 Heaven with the car" ?? Do you know something most of us don't??? Hmmmmm just when I thought Miss Belvy was a dead story she is revived. And don't just shrug off Lawerence's warning about ill gotten gains-- there is already a history behind that subject........................................MO
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Posted 2008-05-06 1:42 AM (#128739 - in reply to #128011)
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And who is Dwight who says he is the owner of Miss Belvy?.............................MO
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Posted 2008-05-06 2:32 AM (#128742 - in reply to #128737)
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I said "should have gone", not "did go". The car should be in a vacuum sealed glass case in a museum for all to see, not getting chemically stripped! If by some miracle that the cover was not discarded then it would probably be chemically stripped too! Anyone know what happened to the bottom half of the cover? Surely that was saved since everybody apparently cares so much about it..
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Posted 2008-05-06 8:30 AM (#128749 - in reply to #128011)
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The bottom of the bag was on top of the skid after the car was removed. I bet that part of the bag is still with the skid.
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Posted 2008-05-06 10:01 AM (#128752 - in reply to #128011)
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I'm guessing the skid and the bottom of the bag were quickly thrown back into the hole and reburied when officials scurried to cover up the "mistake".

It pisses me off the way the car was such a big deal to city officials UNTIL it was found to be in less-than-perfect condition... Once that discovery was made, it seemed to me that organizers tried to take a giant step away from the car like it was a steaming mound of elephant sh!t. That's when the focus shifted to the contents of that dammed metal tank.

Why else would they simply GIVE away something like the car cover? I mean, until the car's poor condition was revealed, the bag itself was a major part of the legend!

Seriously... that TOTALLY pisses me off! NOT because some guy from New Zealand got the cover and I didnt. Fortunately for him, the guy was in the right place, asking the right questions at the right time. If given the opportunity, I would've gladly "rescued" that cover, too. Hell, ANY of us would have!

As far as profiteering, I agree with Neil. The bottom line is that someone basically scored this bag out of the dumpster for FREE --- and now they want BIG BUCKS to make sure this important piece of history is effectively preserved. Bullshirt!

Give me a BREAK! If you're really wanting to be altruistic about this... DONATE the freakin' bag to an automotive museum of your choice. Make them agree to display your name and photo beside the ill-fated tarp, and trade it to 'em for free tickets for life for yourself and all your family members. THAT's how to make sure it's appreciated!

It just frosts me because that bag/cover was PART OF THE EVENT! I didn't see the fat broad or Mr. "Old Faithful" giving away any of those 50-year-old commemorative plates, did you? HELL NO! Those things are probably on display at the historical society... and that's EXACTLY where the bag should be... If not in '57 Heaven or another reputable automotive museum.

Some parts of Tulsarama were executed BEAUTIFULLY... but other things that were overlooked or down-played really get under my skin!

Still, I wouldn't trade the journey for anything in this world... It was a great time amongst a great bunch of people.
I'll climb down off my soap-box now.

-NM

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Posted 2008-05-06 5:07 PM (#128796 - in reply to #128752)
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As usual Manning nailed it!
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Posted 2008-05-06 6:21 PM (#128809 - in reply to #128752)
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Nathan D. Manning - 2008-05-06 3:01 PM

I'll climb down off my soap-box now.

-NM


NO NO Nathan.. Stay on the Soap-box, You are Doing Great.. But why don,t ya tell us how you REALLY Feel, And this time DON,T hold Back......... LOL
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Posted 2008-05-06 6:36 PM (#128813 - in reply to #128011)
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It may be well for the profiteer that that car cover remains outside the U.S.

The car cover probably lawfully belongs to the family which won the car.

Just as for Nazi-stolen artworks, claim(s) may be made for the rightful ownership of that car cover, in the future.




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Posted 2008-05-06 6:54 PM (#128819 - in reply to #128813)
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I agree with Nathan. I'm glad it was saved and I hope it ends up in the right hands so it can be preserved. I wouldn't call 1000 bucks "big bucks" though, but that's beside the point, and it's not my business to comment and quite frankly I don't care as long as it doesn't get chemically cleaned or ripped up or thrown away. I know the guy who's got it is very concerned about it's future, which is why he got it in the first place. It was done with the same passion that a lot of us feel when we are importing old wrecks into our country, because if we don't get them they end up getting crushed. I see alot of stuff coming in and getting fixed up that would barely be considered parts cars over there, so give us credit for that at least. Anyway, that's enough from me, I can see that this could get ugly :-)
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Posted 2008-05-06 6:58 PM (#128821 - in reply to #128819)
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Yeah, Marc; that guy is so altruistic that he'll SELL it to anyone, for OVER $1,000.00 .

Buyer beware.
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Posted 2008-05-06 7:06 PM (#128823 - in reply to #128819)
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I have to say - if this Savior was really so interested in saving this piece - he should donate it (as he got it for free anyway) to any one of a number of great Tulsa Museums - or even the Smithsonian - "the guy who's got it is very concerned about it's future" - yeah for a thousand bucks - Judas
http://www.gilcrease.org/
http://www.tulsahistory.org/
http://www.darrylstarbird.com/index1.htm
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Posted 2008-05-06 10:59 PM (#128858 - in reply to #128011)
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It was very estrange that day, i could take anything from the time capsule table, i hold a big book in my hand and show it to my wife, on the look of the Tulsa society, the only thing they told me was " put a glove before touch that" ?, funny i could walk away with a piece of history, but i didn’t. I not wonder that the Tulsa people give away the tarp, for them was just a dirty piece of crap.
During the Show, I moved the Antique American flag from the floor, because people was steeping on it, and left a dirty mark on it, that really freak me out. Nobody said a word.
But i took my souvenir form the event, i have pieces of the time capsule, i just went in to the back after the event and pick all pieces of rusted metal from the floor, in the exact location where they where chopping the tank with a grinder... Also a piece of wood 2x4 used for the guys to hold the car i guess but not sure, because they ending up using plywood.
Seen that tarp overseas, just confirm that the whole event was a Joke.




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Posted 2008-05-06 11:53 PM (#128861 - in reply to #128823)
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Some good points raised for sure..
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Posted 2008-05-07 12:30 PM (#128926 - in reply to #128819)
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...I wouldn't call 1000 bucks "big bucks" though, but that's beside the point...


Pardon me... But have you paid any attention to the U.S. economy lately?

-NM
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Posted 2008-05-07 1:49 PM (#128950 - in reply to #128011)
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Hey, ins't that "Old Faithful?"

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Posted 2008-05-07 2:06 PM (#128954 - in reply to #128950)
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Hey, ins't that "Old Faithful?"



%#@&*!!!

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Posted 2008-05-07 2:21 PM (#128957 - in reply to #128011)
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Don't know what all the hoo-hah is about but technically I feel the cover should have gone with the car when it was presented to the family. Maybe the skid should have been preserved too as it would have made up the complete set. I don't know how it got smuggled out of the country to New Zealand but if he would listen to me, I would advise him to do the right thing and give it back to the family. Paying $1,000 US and up to buy it is a little mercenary.  
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Posted 2008-05-07 4:09 PM (#128968 - in reply to #128011)
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Aaaaaaarrrgggggg... I'm so sick of this Miss B crap. When will it all end. Enough already.
It's an old rusty plymouth with no hope of ever being anything more...get over it..
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Aaaaaaarrrgggggg... I'm so sick of this Miss B crap. When will it all end. Enough already.
It's an old rusty plymouth with no hope of ever being anything more...get over it..


Bart...

Granted the event has come and gone...

But unless you were there, you couldn't possibly understand WHY it's such a big deal to many
of us.

If you didn't attend, however... I could see where you might feel the need to vent about
"this Miss B crap."

Meanwhile, a large number of us have invested alot of time and emotion,
not to mention miles of travel and $$$ into the events surrounding this car...

Therefore, you'll just have to forgive those of us who feel somehow entitled
to b!tch and moan about the way things were handled.

-NM

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Posted 2008-05-07 4:22 PM (#128971 - in reply to #128011)
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Posted 2008-05-07 5:15 PM (#128979 - in reply to #128970)
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Nathan D. Manning - 2008-05-07 3:22 PM
Bart_59_Dodge - 2008-05-07 4:09 PM Aaaaaaarrrgggggg... I'm so sick of this Miss B crap. When will it all end. Enough already. It's an old rusty plymouth with no hope of ever being anything more...get over it..
Bart... Granted the event has come and gone... But unless you were there, you couldn't possibly understand WHY it's such a big deal to many of us. If you didn't attend, however... I could see where you might feel the need to vent about "this Miss B crap." Meanwhile, a large number of us have invested alot of time and emotion, not to mention miles of travel and $$$ into the events surrounding this car... Therefore, you'll just have to forgive those of us who feel somehow entitled to b!tch and moan about the way things were handled. -NM

I've been silent for the better part of a year. Yeah, I get some of the sentiment over Miss B ( to a point. )

I would have thought the magic of the event was more about the gathering of friends, than over the object itself. Basically, a rusted Plymouth.  

No apologies, no change of heart. After a year of this nonsence, I'm entitled to my opinions too, ...and Brian,... Skroo you right back.

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Posted 2008-05-07 6:52 PM (#128990 - in reply to #128011)
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Nah, we went to see "the car". The meeting of friends and all the nice cars smoothed out the condition of "the car". We didn't chase the car around for blocks because we didn't care. I think a lot of us have years of emotion/expectation in that car.
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Posted 2008-05-07 7:29 PM (#129000 - in reply to #128926)
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Have I seen the u.s. economy lately?!?! From what I recall it takes an average earner about 10 years to pay off an average house over there, compared to around 25 years here. And our gas and food is still twice as expensive and we earn less, and our dollar's worth nothing compared to yours. Our interest rate on mortgages is around 11% and we have to import all our decent forward look cars from the u.s. and buy them in u.s. dollars. So cry me a river!!!

Oops, that's right, I wasn't going to comment any more on this thread, I really don't want to get involved :-)
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Posted 2008-05-07 7:45 PM (#129003 - in reply to #129000)
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So cry me a river!!!



MARC,, are you in NZ yourself then !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!..

I love that Phrase ,, Wonder if the US members know the reply.. LMAO
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Yeah I am (and no I'm not the one with the cover - I'm just feeling a bit vocal). In terms of the u.s. economy, I pretty much only buy stuff that's made here, Australia, or the U.S. (and if I buy stuff from the U.S. I always stipulate that it has to actually be made there). But when I'm over there I see most people driving Japanese or European cars. I just don't get it. If I was over there and had no money (for example) I'd be driving a slant six Valiant, not a freakin Camry. Anyway, I hope anyone complaining about the U.S. economy isn't buying Japanese cars or other overseas goods..

Oh man, I gotta shut up.

That's it, I'm not saying anything for at least 24 hours!
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I received a message from Paula Hale, today, regarding my having informed her of the Profiteer's attemped sale
of the "Shroud of Touring" aka: Ms Belvedere's 'wrapping, and I quote her, verbatin :

" No, I had no idea he was selling it, and certainly not aware of anyone giving it to him [the seller].

I would like the auction site. Thanks! "

So, having been out-of-town, all day, I have just-now sent her the "auction" site, and will send her this message-thread,
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I received a message from Paula Hale, today, regarding my having informed her of the Profiteer's attemped sale
of the "Shroud of Touring" aka: Ms Belvedere's 'wrapping, and I quote her, verbatin :

" No, I had no idea he was selling it, and certainly not aware of anyone giving it to him [the seller].

I would like the auction site. Thanks! "

So, having been out-of-town, all day, I have just-now sent her the "auction" site, and will send her this message-thread,
as soon as I get done typing this, too.....



"The Shroud of Touring" HA!
Neil, you're freakin' killin' me, dude.

Good call...
LOVE IT!

Oh... And Mr. Suburbanite... If I do indeed cry you a river... Would you in fact build a bridge and GET OVER IT?
(Of course, I hope you would use only quality American steel to construct said bridge. )

I'll patiently wait 24 hours for your reply!

-NM

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Posted 2008-05-08 12:20 AM (#129046 - in reply to #129013)
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Could you ask her where the skid is that the car was on - I'd like to buy it to hang lights on in my garage and have it as a quirky talking piece :-)
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Posted 2008-05-08 12:29 AM (#129047 - in reply to #129046)
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Also, I don't think the cover was given to the seller, the story I heard is that it was rescued from the trash. Don't quote me though, I wasn't there, it could be chinese whispers.

Hey, the underneath of the cover would make a neat wall hanging for my study - anybody out there know it's whereabouts?

Ha ha. Hey, but seriously, where is all that stuff, and where do you supposed the cover would be if the guy who's got it went back to his hotel room that night and watched the idiot box or went out drinking

Hmmmm.. I also wouldn't mind some of the bottled rust that they've been hap-hazzardly stripping off the car, it would make neat presents for that special forward look enthusiast in your life.

Man the whole darn thing was mishandled, and it sucks. I remortgaged my house to travel halfway around the world, then drive halfway across the country in a 1000 dollar car, bustin my ass to get there early so I didn't miss the event I'd spent half my life waiting for, and when I got there they'd already pulled the cover off. Get your violins out for me..

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Posted 2008-05-08 1:41 AM (#129054 - in reply to #128968)
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Aaaaaaarrrgggggg... I'm so sick of this Miss B crap. When will it all end. Enough already.
It's an old rusty plymouth with no hope of ever being anything more...get over it..
Bart, my friend--there are threads here on the FL forums that irritate me too. My opinion would not be appreciated ,sooo--- I just don't read them. .....................................MO
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Posted 2008-05-08 2:28 AM (#129062 - in reply to #129054)
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Marc; you said you arrived early, in Tulsa.

Did you happen to stay at the Doubletree, or at the Crown Plaza, and did you get to the Courthouse on WED morning, to see the lifting of the vault lids?




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Posted 2008-05-08 9:19 AM (#129074 - in reply to #128011)
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That was NEVER 24 hours.... was it?




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Posted 2008-05-08 4:46 PM (#129109 - in reply to #129062)
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I can't remember if it was Wednesday or Thursday (hey it's an eternity ago, I don't even own a watch, let alone a calendar), but the cover was off the vault and I remember trying to be there early. Oh well, I guess they had their reasons. Shame i missed it. I'm just glad they didn't acid strip the car before I saw it, or put some of Boyds wheels on it..
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Posted 2008-05-08 4:56 PM (#129110 - in reply to #129109)
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suburbanite100 - 2008-05-08 9:46 PM

I'm just glad they didn't acid strip the car before I saw it, or put some of Boyds wheels on it..


How do you know they Haven,t ????????
Go check the Miss Belve Forum on Ultra One.. The members are starting to get Pi$$ed,, As NO-ONE from Ultra are replying to Anything anymore, Including Emails..
NOW there can only be 2 Reasons,,
1.. They are donig a Documentry and want too kepp everything top secret, ready for a Grand Unveiling.
2.. They have FKed the whole thing Up,,
Knowing of the the Vocal member they have there,, Put your $$$$ on No2..
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Posted 2008-05-08 5:32 PM (#129115 - in reply to #129110)
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I wrote the Mayor of Tulsa and here is the response I received:

"Thank you for contacting the Mayor's Action Center

Re: Belvedere

Please contact the Downtown Unlimited at 918-583-2617 for information.

Sincerely,
MAC Staff/sah"


Thats it! Thats all I got - perhaps we should bombard that number...?
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Posted 2008-05-08 6:48 PM (#129124 - in reply to #129115)
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Marc; if you saw Miss Belvie, residing in the open-topped vault, you WERE there on WED morning 6/13/07.

Later that AM, the City installed a white vinyl 'roof-cover' over the vault, and installed vinyl-sheeting around the
perimeter of the chain-link fencing, surrounding the vault area.







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Posted 2008-05-08 8:58 PM (#129144 - in reply to #129124)
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What are you, a friggin detective?!? When I got there the white tent was in place. This was at approxiamately 0500 hours on the day of my arrival. I was wearing a light brown t-shirt and new jeans, which I bought in San Francisco 4 days earlier. Must have chucked the receipt, I don't seem to have it.
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Posted 2008-05-08 9:26 PM (#129149 - in reply to #129144)
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I am an insurance investigator, if that's what you mean; I believe that you wrote that "the cover was off the vault", and that you
tried to get there early.

Guess that you didn't get there early enough.




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Posted 2008-05-08 9:47 PM (#129151 - in reply to #129149)
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Yes, I believe that they put the tent there AFTER they took the cover off the fault. I saw a newspaper article in a gas station as I was coming into Tulsa showing the exposed car (under that raggedy old cover) in the vault (no lid on vault at that point). Some hours later upon my arrival in tulsa there was what appeared to be a white tent in the area where I had expected to see the exposed vault at that time. It was around this time I decided to change my socks from blue to black with gold top to conceal my identity.
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Posted 2008-05-08 11:30 PM (#129168 - in reply to #129151)
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Well I'm outta here for the weekend. Will be interesting to see how this ends up. Happy Moparing. If you haven't peeled out the tires on your forward look car for a while then it's high time you did... ..that's why they've got bias plys and dual quad big blocks...
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Posted 2008-05-09 12:43 AM (#129184 - in reply to #129168)
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Good on ya, or whatever!

Just drove me cah 500 miles, this past weekend, to SoCal!

Had one close-call, where, on a 2-lane section, an older Fart Exploder, attempting to pass a lorry (or, is that 'lorrie'?) passed by me at a distance of about 2-3 feet--didn't have time to make a close measurement---at closing speeds of 130+ mph, in my traffic lane.

I had an about 3' paved shoulder, but didn't feel like moving over any more than I had to, to ensure a safe passage; yeah, I was alone in the car.

Glad I was riding on Diamondback tires.




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Posted 2008-05-09 9:21 AM (#129234 - in reply to #129151)
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It was around this time I decided to change my socks from blue to black with gold top to conceal my identity.


Might wanna think about changing underwear, too... Because I suspect you're full of sh!t.
LOL

I see you've met Neil... Our resident "Detective Junkins"... He's been assigned to your case.


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Posted 2008-05-09 11:56 AM (#129247 - in reply to #128011)
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This is more fun than a bucket of politicians trying to get the media's attention.
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Posted 2008-05-09 5:28 PM (#129283 - in reply to #129247)
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I'll try not to smile....gotta look tough and mean..go ahead, make my DAY.....!

I smile a lot 'cause my job is easy---that is, if you LIKE getting up at 8:30, getting to your office by 10:30, and quitting
work at about 4:30- 5:00-ish, and I live about .5 mile from my office.

I'm just-now getting an assignment from a company regarding a 60-gallon fuel-oil spill at a residence, which will get me off my seat
here and meeting a new FRIEND, with some serious problems (different from y'all's problems!)





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Posted 2008-05-10 4:12 AM (#129352 - in reply to #128011)
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Car Cover only has 20 hrs to go.. And STILL NO Bids... Wonder what the RESERVE is ?????????

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/THE-Cover-1957-Plymouth-Tulsarama_W0...
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Posted 2008-05-10 10:15 AM (#129370 - in reply to #128011)
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i think this is one of those things that would be nice to have but not for $1000, i least i wouldnt.

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Posted 2008-05-10 3:43 PM (#129395 - in reply to #129370)
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Wouldn't Ultra-F-Up, or the Lucky-Family (Chinese-food joke) be interested in buying-back this
possibly- stolen-item?

I would presume that the Profiteer is prepared to provide the high-bidder with clear-title to the
Shroud of Touring, with receipts and documents, confirming his (un-)lawful possession of it.

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Posted 2008-05-10 6:04 PM (#129423 - in reply to #129395)
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I called yesterday afternoon - got some assistant - left me name and number to be called back - has anyone else called them to get information?



I wrote the Mayor of Tulsa and here is the response I received:

"Thank you for contacting the Mayor's Action Center

Re: Belvedere

Please contact the Downtown Unlimited at 918-583-2617 for information.

Sincerely,
MAC Staff/sah"
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Posted 2008-05-10 6:56 PM (#129428 - in reply to #128011)
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Someone should report it to the local GNUS-media!

Once posted/reported-upon, the story will acquire a life of its own.
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Posted 2008-05-10 7:20 PM (#129437 - in reply to #129428)
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THIS IS CONTACT INFORMATION FOR THE TULSAWORLD NEWSPAPER - lets see if they still care (or if they think it will still sell newspapers)

http://www.tulsaworld.com/webextra/content/2007/buriedcarunearthed/...

Please contact them - I have sent e-mails to them all -

Contact the newsroom news@tulsaworld.com 581-8400 Hours: 8 a.m. to midnight every day.
Submit a story idea storyideas@tulsaworld.com 581-8400 Hours: 8 a.m. to midnight every day.
Contact the executive editor or managing editor joe.worley@tulsaworld.com or
susan.ellerbach@tulsaworld.com 581-8373 or 581-8329
Contact the city editor ziva.branstetter@tulsaworld.com 581-8326 Hours: 8 a.m. to 5 p.m. Monday-Friday.




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Posted 2008-05-10 8:56 PM (#129449 - in reply to #129437)
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I just TRIED to send this thread to : newsattulsaworld.com; but for some reason, my server
is down/not-happy....

Somebody else please send this thread to Tulsa World.

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Posted 2008-05-10 9:20 PM (#129452 - in reply to #129449)
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I just sent it off for you Neil.
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Posted 2008-05-11 12:02 AM (#129469 - in reply to #128011)
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Question??? How is a part of American History such as this "Miss Belvedere" Car Cover wind up in another country. People should stop being so greedy and keep American Icon things in our USA, thats right AMERICA!!! I mean no disrepect to other members from other countries, however we should keep certain things here in USA. Thanks
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Posted 2008-05-11 6:26 AM (#129493 - in reply to #129469)
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Auction finished with NO BID... Also remember there was a RESERVE , So $1000 would NOT of bought the Cover..

Did you check out th Questions from the Public.. Even Dwight Queried it..

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Q: wow thats interesting that the cover made it to new zeland coinsidering the car is in new jersey 40 miles from my house undergoing rust repair and its contents are in a tulsa exibit May-10-08
A: Yes it is.

Q: Hello all i also have part of the cover, and a piece of the side glass, vent window,s they had to break them to get in the car, the doors would not open from the hinges rusting so bad, they were able to roll the window,s down to take the inside pictures that all the world would see,i also have some of the dirt from were the car was dug up. here is the scary part of the storie bouyd cottington died shortly after vewing the 57 plymouth, thats some pertty nasty mold there.? ? beware. good luck. im keeping my piece od the cover from miss belvedere. May-10-08
A: Well done. Perhaps you have the piece that was torn from the left side fin?

Q: Do you own the Time Capsule Plymouth that the cover came off??? I am an automotive journalist and I am interested in the car and what has become of it. Sincerely Greg Janeczek May-06-08
A: Sorry Greg, I do not have the time capsule car that you are interested in.You can find it at ultraone.com. good luck

Q: As an attendee and 1957 Plymouth nut, I'm curious as to who you are and how you managed to get the original cover from the Tulsa Historical Society . . . also why would you WANT to sell it? May-05-08
A: Hi fury57, I'm also a Plymouth nut that attended the unearthing. I'm sure my answer to Dwight's question will satisfactorily answer yours. Thank you for your question.

Q: just curious how did you get the the cover? I have the car .thanks Dwight May-05-08
A: Hi Dwight, Whilst in Tulsa for the unearthing of Miss Belvedere. I was horrified to find out that after the unveiling event, the soggy cover was destined for the trash, only through great persistence was the cover able to be saved. since then great care has been taken to preserve its condition and thus its historical integrity.

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Posted 2008-05-11 1:21 PM (#129520 - in reply to #129469)
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Question??? How is a part of American History such as this "Miss Belvedere" Car Cover wind up in another country. People should stop being so greedy and keep American Icon things in our USA, thats right AMERICA!!! I mean no disrepect to other members from other countries, however we should keep certain things here in USA. Thanks


Yep, it looks like this guy got the cover and couldnt wait to sell it on ebay.... too bad for him
no-one wants and old stanky, junky cloth that probably smells like shizza!
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Posted 2008-05-11 1:44 PM (#129524 - in reply to #128011)
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yes nobody want it, sorry for him.
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Posted 2008-05-11 5:02 PM (#129541 - in reply to #129524)
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Wow, that's interesting! Some onto-it person from overseas rescues a 'national treasure' from the trash, nobody ever questions it's wheareabouts until it's posted on ebay, then everybody bitches that it was a piece of American history was 'stolen', and then nobody bids on it, then people say they wouldn't pay 1000 bucks for it anyway.. Well, you guys can bitch all you want, I'm off to the bank for a loan, I don't care about official ownership documents, I want this thing!

It's like bitching about the u.s. economy and buying foreign goods at the same time. Or complaining that you can't afford it and having a new Dodge Ram in the driveway. I drive a 500 buck '76 Falcon (yes we were still making em down here in '76) to work everyday, and I'd be happy to part with some cash for this thing. And I don't bitch about the price of gas either because it runs on propane. He he he..

Well, I had a great weekend. Rescued a '60 Belevere from the crusher, and it's almost ready for it's maiden voyage. Rebuilt the front brakes, blocked off the rear. You're not going to see me for tire smoke :-)
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Posted 2008-05-11 5:26 PM (#129548 - in reply to #128011)
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I don’t know if you can call that bitching, first of all nobody not related to the show organizers suppose to be inside of the building, or be close to the car.
During the show, I managed to jump to the main floor with the car, when the sheriff officer that was holding the people turn around for a second, when I was there I saw some souvenirs at hand, but I am respectful to the things that don’t belong to me.
Somebody definitely giveaway the tarp, probably a guilty feeling for a guy flying from that far to see a local piece of junk..
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Posted 2008-05-11 5:49 PM (#129551 - in reply to #129548)
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Fair comment, but if you saw those items in the trash you wouldn't be wrong for salvaging them. I'll have to get hold of the guy and get the full lowdown on what happened..
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Posted 2008-05-11 6:04 PM (#129552 - in reply to #129551)
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Just thinking about it and how cool would it have been if the car had been preserved in a glass case in one of your great automotive museums (eg, Petersons), and the cover was suspended above it around a frame in the shape of a '57 Plym 2dr hdtp..
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Posted 2008-05-11 10:27 PM (#129572 - in reply to #129552)
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Maybe I could recreate that by parking a Belvedere at the bottom of a swimming pool for a few decades :-)

I still can't believe nobody back in '57 had the foresight to install a small drain and hand pump? Mind you those Plymouths could have used a few more drain holes as well..
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Posted 2008-05-12 3:13 AM (#129590 - in reply to #129572)
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Did the Nazis call it "liberating" artwork, that nobody complained about losing?

Revisiting the Vault issue, it is fairly evident that a considerable amount of H2O leaked into it from the TOP, due to the LACK of a formal sealing system, as was seen when the lids were merely lifted off of the sides.

The Arkansas River overflowed its banks at least once during the 50 years.

What is really a shame, is that the car wasn't welded-up inside a steel enclosure, like the time capsule was.

The T.C. was a COMPLETE grody mess, when unearthed from the swamp of the bottom of the vault, but its enclosures were BRAND-new, inside of it, when it was cut-open.

The good burghers of T-Town placed too much blind trust in that concrete vault, and the sprayed-in sealer, but, they forgot to seal the upper sides/lid areas; not even a tongue-and-groove sealing.

I really doubt that much water got into the vault, from percolation via the sides and the bottom, but the City didn't care to do any forensic analysis of the vault, before filling it up, right after the un-earthing ceremony.






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Posted 2008-05-12 6:18 AM (#129621 - in reply to #128011)
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With " Ultra One " REFUSING to answer Any Questions on the Progress, This Cover could Be a Real Cheap alternative for a Museum.. All they need is any old 57 / 58 Plymouth,( from a Yard or the Crusher ) and Completely cover it with the Tarp being Offered for Sale.. WHO is gonna know it isn,t the Original " Miss Belve "underneath.. Cos Ultra One aint Talking............. LOL

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Posted 2008-05-12 3:40 PM (#129675 - in reply to #129621)
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Got a brief reply from Paula Hale, who is 'looking-into' this matter.

I suggested that this deal be referred to The City, the PD and/or the D.A.'s office.

Forgot to mention the Media; I'll re-send her that comment, but, she's received this thread.




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Posted 2008-05-12 3:53 PM (#129676 - in reply to #129675)
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Forgot to mention the Media; I'll re-send her that comment, but, she's received this thread.


Here's where to start...

NewsChannel 8 - Coverage You Can Count On
http://www.ktul.com

News On 6 - Tulsa, OK
http://www.newson6.com

KJRH-TV, NBC Affiliate in Tulsa, OK.
http://www.2worksforyou.com/
http://www.KJRH.com

FOX23 News
http://www.fox23.com

-NM

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Posted 2008-05-14 10:24 AM (#129932 - in reply to #128011)
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Suddenly its worth something. hey has anyone been to the shop the car is at and posed as a potential customer wanting to check out the establishment. thats what i would do. then use your secret agent spy scope to broadcast the whole thing on the net. duh. come on you lot lets not hang this guy who saved a national treasure from certain doom and try save what is left of the car and the legacy. i too was at the unveiling and touched the cover and the car and also pointed out to a trooper that the flag was on the floor and being trod on by the bunch of overaged tots on the night of their lives. he was most upset when i said to him "not very patriotic around here are we" and as for that boyd guy may he rest in pieces . he started the demise of the car by telling his goons to break the quarter vent with a springloaded dot punch and then screw drivered the trunk lid open and the glove compartment suffered the same fate. nice work . ooh look at the shiney chrome under the dirt lets see if we can clean some more of it off. fools. i circumnavigated the earth and spent close to $10 k getting to tulsa and was quite taken by the whole thing even though my heart belongs to the blue oval. unfortunately i was shocked by the dumb ass approach to the whole thing that will go down in my book as a farce. what were they thinking putting someone who had no idea of the importance of the preservation of the contents of a time capsule in charge of a time capsule that saw almost 8000 people show up from all over the world to see it opened only to bear witness to a bunch of 60 year old school children with a new sandpit to wreck take charge. pathetic i say. shame on the tulsa historical society and shame on the mayor for letting this hugely monumental task be given to these people. if it were up to me i would spank the lot of them and put them in the time out corner. then i would have done like that suburbanite suggested and put it in the museum. i know the car belonged to the winners family but surely that guy should have been brainwashed into putting the car along with the contents of the capsule into the museum and given some kind of compensation from the county for his generosity. come on it was clear that the car would never hit the road again and he should have been told in no uncertain terms to preserve that car just the way it came out. shame shame shame.
on a lighter note the band that played in mcnallys on friday night rocked. i was impressed. also walking through tulsa downtown at 3 in the morning with a bunch of drunks is quite a hoot. you should give it a go sometime.

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Posted 2008-05-14 3:30 PM (#129961 - in reply to #129932)
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Mr. s**ta, Sam, the Shroud of Touring has ALWAYS been worth "something"; it, just, until recently, has not been
OFFERED for sale by anyone (rightful owner, or not!).

Speaking of VALUE, and Mark Hash can verify this.....after the lids were removed, on 6/13/07, the Documentary's videographer,
Charlie Allsip, was offered SERIOUS money, for his STREET SHOES, which he wore while walking around Ms. Belvie's vault,
which got all muddy-nasty, while he video-taped the still-shrouded car!

Charlie swore Mark & me to secrecy about the car's condition (which was then still a State Secret), when he showed
us his unedited footage OF the car inside the Vault, while he was video'ing Mark's car behind the 'Tree's parking lot, and,
Secret Agent Spy-Scope Sir Clive Reeve, and his Henchman assistant, Agent 99 (Furious Bassman Charlie)
did their level-best to pry The Secret from me, using copious quantities of grain alcohol, but, to NO avail !!!!









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d500neil - 2008-05-14 8:30 PM


Charlie swore Mark & me to secrecy about the car's condition (which was then still a State Secret), when he showed
us his unedited footage OF the car inside the Vault, while he was video'ing Mark's car,behind the 'Tree's parking lot, and,
Secret Agent Spy-Scope Sir Clive Reeve, and his Henchman assistant, Agent 99 (Furious Bassman Charlie)
did their level-best to pry The Secret from me, using copius quantities of grain alcohol, but, to NO avail !!!!



BUT you Did almost Crack.. After the Offer of Alcohol and Then Secret Pic,s on my Camera ,, If i had some " Old Shine " at the time, I think you would have " Spilt your Guts "..
LOL,




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Posted 2008-05-14 7:56 PM (#130001 - in reply to #128011)
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EYE....didn't even "spilt" me guts, after drinkin NATHAN"S home-brewski-stuff-shine...I've resisted the entreaties of tougher
wankers (let's see the confuser-Nazi edit THAT word!) than y'all, before !!!






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Posted 2008-05-15 2:29 AM (#130052 - in reply to #130001)
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Haven't been much on the site lately and just found this thread. I have to say that some of the things said here are odd to say the least. Yes, it would have been nice if the Tulsa people would have had a clue of what the event was about to the Forward Look people and even nicer if it all would have had a happy ending. But no, the event went wrong on so many levels. I had personally waited for more than 20 years to witness it and spent a LOT of money to do the trip instead of using it for a house downpayment. To me it did not matter that the car was (unfortunately) in such a bad shape. To me it was still THAT 1957 Belvedere I wanted to see, penned by Virgil Exner in the most glorious era of car design. That car could never be ugly. As I said to a member here, no matter how wrong many things went and how bad a shape the car is, it is still beautiful . This is the essence many people failed to see, especially the organizers and the Boyd goons. No respect at all. Didn' t the poor car already suffer enough?

Now, here comes a guy from the other side of the planet and is all gung ho about all things Chrysler. As most of us, he realizes that the event is going all down the toilet. He witnesses that the cover IS GOING TO THE DUMPSTER AND LUCKILY MANAGES TO SAVE IT! Yeah, I hate the fact that I wasn't that guy and that it doesn't go with the car and yada yada yada. Fact remains, the dude saved the cover and Hats off to him I say! If he puts in on eBay with a $1000 starting bid what is wrong with that? I say that is definitely the minimum to ensure that some other idiot doesn't put it in a dumpster again. It is funny how money makes a difference in those things..at least for people who don't have other values. Sadly, the world is full of people like that.

Now people here want to report Paula Hale about this???? Isn't the Tulsa people the ones that should blamed for the whole catastrophe? No one cared, plain and simple. I can see how not being a car person all this talk might be a bit surreal but that is why you want to consult experts in the field. NOT BOYD! Nothing can be done about the event anymore but don't blame the one guy that did the right thing. I have just one question: Where is the supporting structure from under the car? Or was that (heaven forbid) junked?

On a lighter note, I have a bunch of large photos from Tulsa here;

http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendID=172...

And more from my trip here;

http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendID=172...

It was nice meeting so many good people from the site, hope you are all doing well! Found a pic of me in one of the threads (looking for an angle beside the 300C)

Hans

PS Almost forgot to add, I am not a drinker but McNallys was still a hoot! Cheers!

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Posted 2008-05-15 2:50 AM (#130053 - in reply to #130052)
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Hans,
well put, my thoughts exactly!
The Tulsa was a fiasco but it still is THE Forward Look event I will remember forever - the good (people, cars, Miss. Belvedere and the drive across USA from LA to Tulsa) and the bad (organizing).
I am happy the cover was saved and not trashed like the skid probably is - and like the Belvedere probably will be . It would be great item to display in any museum.
Nice to hear from you Hans.

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Hans,
man, great photos! You had quite a trip. Seeing all these beautifull pictures make me want to do another road trip across the US.
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Posted 2008-05-15 3:18 AM (#130056 - in reply to #130053)
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Hey, Hans!

"Destined" for a dumpster is NOT the same as "recovered" from a dumpster.

Typically, articles placed into a trash receptacle are considered to be abandoned (and eligibe for freestyle Dumpster Diving) .

It's understandable why Mr. 5-Finger-Discount-Guy mightn't not have wanted to draw attention to himself, or to The Shroud, when he 'obtained' possession of it, but, he should have approached The City, to get a proper sales-receipt of it, in order to avoid possible allegations of alleged Felony Theft (as evidenced by his efforts to 'fence'; I mean: "sell" the Shroud for $1,000.00) .








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Posted 2008-05-15 3:23 AM (#130057 - in reply to #130055)
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Thanks for the kind words Jan! It was nice to meet you in Tulsa. Maybe we'll bump into each other somewhere closer to home the next time? My trip was financially the worst investment ever but it was a good investment in myself, lol!

Happy MoParing, Hans
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d500neil - 2008-05-15 3:18 AM

Hey, Hans!

"Destined" for a dumpster is NOT the same as "recovered" from a dumpster.

Typically, articles placed into a trash receptacle are considered to be abandoned (and eligibe for freestyle Dumpster Diving) .

It's understandable why Mr. 5-Finger-Discount-Guy mightn't not have wanted to draw attention to himself, or to The Shroud, when he 'obtained' possession of it, but, he should have approached The City, to get a proper sales-receipt of it, in order to avoid possible allegations of alleged Felony Theft (as evidenced by his efforts to 'fence'; I mean: "sell" the Shroud for $1,000.00) .



Well, yeah, OK. Technically I am all with you. I was not present when the rescue went down so I can not say anything regarding those circumstances. But this world is far from perfect and the cover is at least safe. I am sure that the present caretaker could be worked with if the cover would be destined to a worthy environment. At least this is my understanding, he seems to be a good guy not in it for greed.

What I can say is that I had three 1957 Imperials stolen (and other cars, NOS parts, long rams etc) by a storage place in Oregon and no one cares. I have little faith in the law anymore. To me it seems absurd that anyone from the law enforcement would be interested in the cover. A civil case would be different of course. I would rather sue the city of Tulsa for negligence though...

Hans
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Posted 2008-05-15 1:19 PM (#130108 - in reply to #128011)
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Amazing how much you guys got around with...did not even know about the Orbitron thing, amazing find! Hopefully there are more trips like ours in the future too, if I wasn't so poor I'd be doing a couple of roadtrips every year!

Regarding Reverend Horton Heat, it must be a Ford thing?;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6T0JiDcASPk&feature=related

LOL. I'll be adding some pics of the Ford convention in Tulsa soon. I'll let Marc know when I do it so he can forward the link to you.

And yeah, someone go and check out what the deal with the car is please.

Hans
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Posted 2008-05-15 2:31 PM (#130117 - in reply to #128011)
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Altho I, and others, arrived in T-Town on TUES, I really wish that I/we could have had at least one more day, in town, to
socialize, before (having to) depart on SUN.

McNally's would definitely have been on our agenda, as well as a driving tour, maybe, to Stroud.




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...as well as a driving tour, maybe, to Stroud...


Our group didn't hit Tulsa until WEDNESDAY... and we still took the opportunity to visit Stroud.
A good time was indeed had by all in attendance at the Best Western dinner buffet.
Kudos to David Ball for putting that event together for us!

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We arrived Tuesday afternoon in Stroud, and enjoyed the tour that Dave offered the following day, as well as the dinner buffet. Dave's hospitality was just beyond great! ---John
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We were part of the Manning party...dittos for his kind words RE the Stroud festivities!

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i went to the mall for a good ol perv at the precise time that miss b was being exumed. i bet the tailfins i was checking out looked better than the ones you lot were looking at. even had time to get that cool as one of a kind t shirt printed in the bad ass area of tulsa that they call "east side" the taxi driver would not let me stay there alone and insisted on waiting for me for over an hour with his meter turned off. great cabbie he was . used him for a few trips around town i did. then it was off to the unveiling where i sat in seat number 1953 (thats for you neil) and watched in horror the toon town sideshow that was coyt fattington and the centerpunch kiddies on lollies. down with tv celebrities i say screw them all even that bird whats her name from that show tool time shes hot heidi i think her name is mmmmmmmm. well i dont own a plymouth but ive had something in one and all i can say now is those headliners look better with stilletto holes in them. follow the book it will lead you to the library. Im Rusty s**ta and i tell it how i see it.
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