1958 Regal Lancer
Lancer Mike
Posted 2008-09-09 6:57 PM (#144239)
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You read right, a REGAL LANCER. This is not my car. If you are interested, contact Jim at miz7@comcast.net . I think he is asking $29,500 and I believe it is in the Detroit area on Craigslist.  I don't think Jim is a member.

If you are a purist, don't look. I like the naked babe pinstriping motif.



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Posted 2008-09-09 7:06 PM (#144241 - in reply to #144239)
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Mike,, That is HOT........I especially like the " Frenched Rear Antenna,s.. Pinstriping is neat as Well.. But Under the Hood needs Tidying for my liking,,

You are Brave Posting This AS i think Neil may have something to Say about it ... LOL
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Posted 2008-09-09 7:15 PM (#144242 - in reply to #144241)
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Very rare car. I have a friend with a "Bone Stock" one. It even has AC and every option that Dodge offered in 58

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Lancer Mike
Posted 2008-09-09 10:07 PM (#144260 - in reply to #144242)
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Mind you, I did post a warning! I asked Jim if he had any of the original interior parts - nope! all that's left is the steering wheel. This is such a rare car that I had to find out more about it. For the Frostbite (love the name), you have to pay for the customizer's tastes. It is not my cup o' tea, but it may be the right car at the right price for someone else.

MoPar Ivar! I have talked to him about his Regal, but I have never seen a picture. Gary, if you can get a picture from him, I would be eternally grateful! From me, that is not much because it is a status you already have, but nonetheless - I would really appreciate it.

Neil, of course you are welcome to run down the list on this one - it is too exhausting for me (perhaps too painful). It does appear to be the real deal. I asked Jim for the data tag numbers, but he did not respond to that request. I would expect a body code of 373 and a paint code of 5XSX or 5SXS less likely 5ASA or 5SAS - but who knows.
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Posted 2008-09-09 10:50 PM (#144268 - in reply to #144260)
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I will look and see if I have any pictures of the Regal Lancer, I know When Kent came over from Sweden, We took some pictures of it, If I don't have any, I will get ya some NP
PS aren't ya glad ya bought that Desoto?
Absolutely Gorgeous!!!

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Posted 2008-09-09 10:57 PM (#144269 - in reply to #144239)
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ok car was in Shop so didn't get great pics but this may wet your appetite



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grant4405
Posted 2008-09-09 10:59 PM (#144270 - in reply to #144260)
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i think this is one of the worst sacrileges i have ever seen done to a TRULY rare classic. i hope virgil and walter c. strike whoever did this deaf and dumb b/c they are already stupid. there are plenty of CRLs around to mutilate. by the way, i have an orginal ivory and bronze one in my garage and i am going out right now and give it a big hug and tell it how sorry i am about its cousin.
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bad58mike
Posted 2008-09-09 11:03 PM (#144272 - in reply to #144239)
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that poor lancer, he should get a ticket for "cruelty to a dodge". Just kidding to each his own
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Posted 2008-09-09 11:09 PM (#144273 - in reply to #144272)
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lets "Get a Rope" Mike
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Posted 2008-09-09 11:19 PM (#144276 - in reply to #144239)
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So what the heck is it doing in a "shop", Gary?

Is this fully loaded 1958 Dodge Regal Lancer Super D-500 nothing more than a trailer queen? Too d@mn beautiful to just sit and watch the air leak out the tires.....
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Posted 2008-09-09 11:25 PM (#144277 - in reply to #144276)
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It is a gorgeous car, I have never seen Aivar trailer one of his cars, on the other hand, I have never seen this one driven. It is fully loaded like you said, even 2 , 4 barrels. The car was used by Dodge at some Big Show, similar to Motorama , when it was new, Hence all the options----Dodge wanted to show what they could do in 58.

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Posted 2008-09-09 11:43 PM (#144278 - in reply to #144239)
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You could bet the farm that if that baby was mine, she'd be driven all over the place - the Regal Lancer is right at the top with the '59 Fury 2 door hardtop as my favorite car, FL or otherwise.

No comment on "frostbite".....
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Lancer Mike
Posted 2008-09-09 11:49 PM (#144280 - in reply to #144277)
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Holy Mamacita! THANK YOU GARY!!!! Aivar is allowed to do what ever he wants to with it. There are few better friends of Forward Look than he! Wowee - what a specimen. I noticed it has air conditioning too! That car is a total flabbergaster. It is a stark contrast to the Frostbite - oh, what could have been. However, you never know what the Frostbite may have looked like before it was customized - it could have been a total basket case. If it was, any save is a good save.

Pat, now you have to post a photo of yours!!! To me, these Regals are the cat's pajamas among all Forward Lookers. There is another Regal around these parts. Black body with copper roof, trunk, and spear. Super D500 too. It came out of Kansas and landed in the Denver area. I have seen photos, but I have never seen the car itself. Showing it's age, but not bad and quite original.
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Lancer Mike
Posted 2008-09-10 12:00 AM (#144281 - in reply to #144280)
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Pat is yours the same as Aivar's or the reverse? Nick Nichols in San Francisco has the reverse of Aivar's. With the photos of Aivar's (THANKS AGAIN GARY) I think I have now seen all the color combinations. Regals are flat-out just the BOMB!

I appreciate Regals so deeply that I can even see the beauty in the Frostbite. I yam who I yam and I cannot turn my back on a Regal. I don't care what condition it is in or what has been done to it - every single one of them is a very special car.

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Posted 2008-09-10 2:59 AM (#144293 - in reply to #144239)
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Well, see, your Uncle Henry loved his new Lazy-Boy recliner so much, he bought four more and put 'em in the car !

Just kidding. To each his own, I guess.
Sure makes me feel a lot less guilty about adding a coupla non-stock floormats, I tell ya.... .

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d500neil
Posted 2008-09-10 8:00 PM (#144366 - in reply to #144239)
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Aivar's Regal is a very heavily optioned single-4-bbl D500 .

It was (correctly) re-upholstered and clear-seat-covered by my local auto upholstery shop, in Bishop.

Except for having non-original vinyl headliner (the "Accousti-Foam" stuff being long-not-available) , the additional
carb, and modern radial tires, it's pretty much in as-built condition, and righteously gorgeous.

Now, about that other car: LOVE its interior detail!

The car looks like it was molested back in the 70's, but most of the unique Regal-pieces appear to be present.

The door and quarter trim panels would be a bitch, to recreate; the unique bronze-tone cloth insert stuff is available at SMS.

Its door jambs are white, so it probably had the same motif, as Aivar's car.

About the only available options that Aivar's car didn't have were the Super D500, rear bumper
guards, and the license plate insert (which were part of the "Bumper Appearance Group" of
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Posted 2008-09-10 9:06 PM (#144371 - in reply to #144270)
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How about some pics of your car?

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Posted 2008-09-10 9:52 PM (#144373 - in reply to #144371)
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My car's pics are buried somewhere in/on the Members Rides board; I think that there are two threads of pics on it.

My car is not (presently) for sale.

Hate to brag, but, before I retired it from show-competition, it won Best in Class at three
national WPC meets---and almost got best-of-show/Dodge at Colorado Springs, in 1986,
losing out to a 70 Challenger RT convertible, in Panther Pink.

That's olde gnus, now; I'm driving and enjoying it, and its 2.76:1 rear end gearset, now....


And, oh yeah, you can also see it on the Tulsarama board pics....drove it there, ya'know;
1600+ miles; 6 days on the road. Had the OEM 3.36:1 installed for that trip, however;
got a little under 14MPG, at 65+ mph, and some around-town driving, for the trip.

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1959Dodge
Posted 2008-09-10 10:46 PM (#144378 - in reply to #144373)
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boy loosing out to a pink Challenger, some of these shows have wierd classes, like the one Borje was just in.
The class ran all the way from the 50's to late 60's not quite as bad as the one you were in thou.
Speaking of "Pink Cars", I asked Aivar about the original color of the 58 New yorker, you were close.
I sure like the color of it now. Close to an original color, Spruce Green, as I recall, but with some Steroids added.

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Posted 2008-09-10 10:47 PM (#144379 - in reply to #144239)
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This kind of stuff is just never gonna end is it? An expert who rubs people the wrong way, and people who are rubbed the wrong way firing back. Geez it's getting old on both sides. Wish I had that 58 regal, not blue freeze or what ever the name is, but the one that belongs to Avair. Very classy car.
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Posted 2008-09-10 10:57 PM (#144383 - in reply to #144379)
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God that interior is awful!LOL
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1959Dodge
Posted 2008-09-10 10:58 PM (#144385 - in reply to #144379)
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not sure what ya means 5859, I think that was a bad call, a 57 Dodge lossing to a car that is still very common, challenger. So certainly not taking shots at Neil. He did say the 58
Chrysler was originally Coral, Aivar tells me, it was pink----so was "Close", cant recall what Dodge called the pink color, but I dont think they called it pink in 59---they may have in 55 or 56 when they made the "La Femme"

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Posted 2008-09-10 11:02 PM (#144386 - in reply to #144383)
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I kinda thought the Cadillac Wreath, tied it all together (The Interior)
I hafta agree with you-----hard to look at one like that, after seeing
"The Real Thing"

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Posted 2008-09-10 11:04 PM (#144388 - in reply to #144239)
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Well, you call it how you see it Gary, fine by me. Your telling me you have never seen Neils car, all the time you have been on this site? Or maybe you were asking to see a picture of someone elses car? In that case I am wrong, but Neil certainly thought you meant his with his retort and brag about how his car won a couple of awards.
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Posted 2008-09-10 11:14 PM (#144390 - in reply to #144388)
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I was hoping to see pictures of the other regal Lancer, I thought I had responded to the Gentleman that said He had one. but always glad to see more pictures of Neil's car Yes I have seen pics of Neil's car.
I can't find the post now, but seems like somebody said they had , or they had seen a Black and Bronze 58 Regal Lancer, Like Lancer Mike, I would enjoy seeing pics of any of those cars---I had never seen one till Aivar's.
Gary

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Posted 2008-09-10 11:21 PM (#144394 - in reply to #144239)
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Then I apologies for jumping to conclusions, I guess Neil did too.
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Posted 2008-09-10 11:24 PM (#144396 - in reply to #144394)
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NP, probably my fault, meant to repond in the box where the guy said He had one, eyes are what they usta be, so probably grabbed Neils box instead
I think I forgot to hit the "Reply button" Oh well.
I have a lotta things to Thank Aivar for, His was the 1st 59 Dodge Convertible , I ever saw and ditto the Regal Lancer

Gary


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d500neil
Posted 2008-09-13 5:35 PM (#144670 - in reply to #144239)
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Chuckle-chuckle-sigh....

Where were we...oh, yeah; nothing important, but, the way that WPC meets are (or, WERE, anyway) judged is by the
members who have entered cars in that particular meet.

The number of 1st place votes, in each class, are compared against the number of 1st place votes in all the other
categories-classes, so, all the highest-placing car models are compared with each other.

My car won its class, as did that Challenger, so, the margin-of-victory was somehow compared between all the highest placing
Dodges, and that Challenger reportedly just beat out my car for Best in Show Dodge.




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Lancer Mike
Posted 2008-09-13 11:35 PM (#144707 - in reply to #144670)
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Pat Grant has a Regal in the same color scheme as Aivar's. Pat is in the mid-west and is an astute authority on the ultra-rare Regals, having a long history with that particular model. Although he aspired to own one since they were a new model, he bought his first right here on this site several years ago. That may tell you how hard these are to find! He is aware of a few others across the country and one in Canada. Pat sent me a few personal messages, perhaps we can see a picture of Pat's Regal in the near future. The Frostbite may yet be a good candidate for someone out there!
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Posted 2008-09-14 12:21 AM (#144715 - in reply to #144707)
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Al's Auto Wrecking up Arlington way had a Regal sitting next to a pair of 57-58 2HTs. One was a mess, but the Regal (black and bronze) and a coral and white CRL really were spectacular cars that should have been saved. I wish I had had the foresight and place to have stuffed cars like these away for 30 years.
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Posted 2008-09-14 1:22 AM (#144719 - in reply to #144715)
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For having produced 1163 (IIRC) of them, quite a few Regals gave survived.

Maybe they don't change hands very often; but, they ARE out there.

I have quite a few photos of various of them, in varying states of assembly.

I even have a Regal introductory Press Kit, complete with original jacket.

One day, if Darrell Davis lives long enough (he's the guy who is researching the H.S. files for Fury & D500 & D501, etc., build records---btw, he's found 92 of the purported 102 501's built, but, we know of at least two additional prototype Coronets (a HT and a sedan) which probably were converted by CHRY Engineering, and/or were privately converted (the sedan), but which did receive real-numbered D501 engines.

As the 57-58 D500's were produced in the multi-thousands, their research may be quite lengthy.

Maybe Darrell might be induced to find the Regals, in regards to the production of D500s in their series, but also to confirm the break-out between the 4 color combinations.





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Posted 2008-09-14 8:04 AM (#144728 - in reply to #144383)
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chrycopsycho - 2008-09-10 10:57 PM

God that interior is awful!LOL

I agree.... I admit im a purist when it comes to the exterior and interior..... in my ride im haveing the
interior redone to factory specs, but might change the color scheme as I dont want white seats. I feel
when you ugrade the interior to a new era, like 80's, 90's .......excetra..... it takes the nostalgia feel
away from the car, thats just my opinion..... plus change the steering wheel back to stock also.....
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Lancer Mike
Posted 2008-09-14 1:31 PM (#144754 - in reply to #144728)
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Ok, I admit before a candid world: I would like to sit each of the seats of the Frostbite - just to see how comfortable those things are!

Neil 1163 sounds right to me. I remember we once had a thread about survival rates. It seems we decided the more expensive cars probably had higher survival rates than the plain Jane el Strippos. Even at the ridiculously high 20%, you would only expect 236 of them left. I suspect closer to the 5% to 10% range or 78 to 116 remaining. All just conjecture.

Of the very little known about '58 Dodge production with the Spring Specials et. cetera, the Regals are a known quantity. Which is fun stuff.
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Posted 2008-09-16 4:55 PM (#144958 - in reply to #144754)
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Pat sent me some pictures of his delightful eggshell and copper Regal along with the following message:

it has been parked in the garage since i got it back from the bodyshop. the relationship did not end well. still need to replace the front seats. easier to send the pics to you than figure out how to post on forward look.





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Posted 2008-09-17 9:04 PM (#145075 - in reply to #144239)
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Notice that the 58 Regals DID have 1957 hood ornaments installed on it, and with the 57'ers located in the
1958's wider-spaced installation, on the hood.

Nice car; what kind of headliner does it have in it? Certainly not the OEM "Accousta-foam" stuff????

It would be neat to confirm the number of the D-5's, Supr-D's, and the color-combo break-outs
on the Regals.

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Posted 2008-09-17 9:30 PM (#145077 - in reply to #145075)
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this one has a white textured vinyl in it with vinyl strips over the joints. it is original . i dont know exactly what the acoustifoam stuff is you are talking about. none of the pictures of the other RLs i have showed the headliner. pat
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Nick Nichols
Posted 2008-09-18 1:17 AM (#145107 - in reply to #145077)
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Here are some shots of my '58 Regal Lancer. I try to drive it at least once a month. Nick



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Posted 2008-09-18 2:14 AM (#145112 - in reply to #144239)
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Whoa - and a D-500 to boot!!!!!

Who the heck threw those seat covers on there, Nick?
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Posted 2008-09-18 10:06 AM (#145128 - in reply to #145112)
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I don't think it is a real D500. The emblem looks old but the engine is the 350. Somebody just put the emblem on there probably a long time ago. I've had the car about eight years and the seats were like that when I bought it. I actually like the black. The headliner is also a black vinyl. It is a fun car. Very enjoyable every time I take it out. The chrome is fair, body is good, basically a great driver but not super nice so I don't worry about it when I take it out.
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Posted 2008-09-18 1:38 PM (#145139 - in reply to #145128)
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That is awesome, Nick! I have admired that car for a long time. Pat, the acoustafoam liner used to come standard in the Coronets. It is a soft foam application to the regular perforated hard-board headliner. I have also heard that the Regals came with a copper colored hard-board or acoustafoam headliner, but you have an original headliner white hard-board headliner! New things to be learned every day. Here is a picture of the Regal sold at barrett-jackson in January 2008. This was the one featured in Collectible Automobile and owned by a avid MoPar collector who died recently - I can't recall his name as I write this...



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Posted 2008-09-18 2:22 PM (#145147 - in reply to #145075)
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d500neil - 2008-09-17 7:04 PM

Notice that the 58 Regals DID have 1957 hood ornaments installed on it, and with the 57'ers located in the
1958's wider-spaced installation, on the hood.

It would be neat to confirm the number of the D-5's, Supr-D's, and the color-combo break-outs
on the Regals.


And they are the '57 CRL hood ornaments with the big fins! If you have some contact with Mr. Davis, it would be really neat to confirm D's, Super-D's, and color-combo's! If you did a regression based on even distribution, you would expect about 75 Regals with the D-500 option (both D-500 and Super D-500). I have never seen a breakout of the '58 D-500's as to what percentage of the D-500's were Superized (as President Bush might say)!
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Posted 2008-09-18 8:41 PM (#145198 - in reply to #144239)
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Pat, I'm gonna have to call you out, on your headliner being OEM.

The factory installed a bronze-ish open-cell foam finish headliner, that did NOT hold up well, at all.

The Accoustafoam(sp?) headliner was specifically mentioned in the factory literature.

I will go home tonite and send some pics to Cleeve, or someone, to post here, as evidence of that OEM finish detail.

Depending upon the environment (geographical, climatological, physical) the headliners had varying extents of service life
and they tended to look bad, once they got scratched or dirty; no practical way to clean or to repair them.




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Posted 2008-09-18 8:48 PM (#145201 - in reply to #144239)
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Nick has some AMAZING appearing hood ornaments on his car!

They look to be 1957-style, but their fins are almost standing straight up (like the SMALL fins, on the 58 ornaments, do-do).

Pat's car has the correct 1957-style ornaments on it, as does that bronze/black car, above here.

BTW, the shield emblem is facing the wrong way, on the bronze/black car....

AND,. I'll bet (just a SWAG, here:) Nick probably owns the rarest/least-produced color combination
of the 4 Regal styles.







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Posted 2008-09-18 10:03 PM (#145213 - in reply to #145198)
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10-4 on the headliner. it must have been replaced a very long time ago. vinyl has held up well. wish i could say the same for the the plastic strips. been thinking of trying to find some chrome ones. now that i know the headliner is not original may go ahead with the project.
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Posted 2008-09-18 10:19 PM (#145215 - in reply to #145213)
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Nick here. It's hard to tell from the photos of my '58 but the fins on the hood ornaments are slanted as they should be. The photos aren't taken straight on which makes them seem as if they are straight up.
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Posted 2008-09-18 10:20 PM (#145216 - in reply to #144239)
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Well, fudge; I'm back @ the office with the Press Kit.

Gonna send some pics to Clive, so, when he wakes up, he can send em here; even got the part numbers for the Accousti-Foam
(that's how it's spelled) headliners, if anyone wants to go order it from Your Friendly Dodge Dealer.....

Also, I've included the P/N's for the hood ornaments, and they show a late 1956 (i.e.: 1957 model year application) numbering.

So, with no further ado... Clive!!!!???




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Posted 2008-09-19 1:13 AM (#145234 - in reply to #145216)
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The other little detail about that copper and black car was that it had a flat crest on the grille.

I had thought that the Regals were supposed to come with the Custom Royal (red-and-gold) crest on the grille. Obviously, the bulk of the evidence shows that the black and silver (Royal) is more likely correct. All of this spring trim stuff is difficult to keep straight.

Interestingly, from what I have seen, the black combinations appear to be fewer surviving.

That might be a result of the black cars being more difficult to keep clean. After some time, the owner might say "to heck with it, I won't wash it anymore" and then the decline starts in earnest until the dump claims 'em. Of the ones I know of, four are the eggshell combinations and only one is black.
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Posted 2008-09-19 1:21 AM (#145236 - in reply to #145234)
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A picture of the black and copper headliner. Not Accousti-Foam, but as good a reproduction as possible I suppose.



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Posted 2008-09-19 1:27 AM (#145237 - in reply to #145236)
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This car is supposedly a Regal, but I have never seen another picture of it. Interesting, eh? Do you think a Regal was ever equipped with fin caps and the wide eschutcheon? I think it would look awesome!



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Posted 2008-09-19 1:39 AM (#145238 - in reply to #145237)
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Two at a show somewhere on the east cost and another shot that may be one of the two. I talked to the fellow who owns the Regal in the foreground. He said it was a small show and he didn't plan it and he didn't know the other owner until they met that day. It just happened by coincidence!

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Posted 2008-09-19 3:04 AM (#145242 - in reply to #145216)
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d500neil - 2008-09-19 3:20 AM

Well, fudge; I'm back @ the office with the Press Kit.

Gonna send some pics to Clive, so, when he wakes up, he can send em here; even got the part numbers for the Accousti-Foam
(that's how it's spelled) headliners, if anyone wants to go order it from Your Friendly Dodge Dealer.....

Also, I've included the P/N's for the hood ornaments, and they show a late 1956 (i.e.: 1957 model year application) numbering.

So, with no further ado... Clive!!!!???








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Posted 2008-09-19 12:58 PM (#145274 - in reply to #145242)
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Nifty! Somewhere I have an original Regal sales poster - but it is nowhere close to the depth of the press information kit! I wonder what they mean by the special mirrors - twin strut? - of course! I had never heard them called out like that.

Oh, and the grille medallion part number is just out of view! Nuts! I could check - I have both types in my garage!

Neil, that is a fantastic document! You should really scan that and make .pdf files and post them on the site (my opinion)!

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Posted 2008-09-19 3:26 PM (#145283 - in reply to #145242)
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Now I will also have to check the "quarter trim panel finish cap" 1830 794 and 795 - I am nearly certain that is the Spring Trim fin cap! If that is the case, it is interesting that you don't see the wide license plate eschutcheon, which was a 19XX XXX number (perhaps even a 20XX XXX number), if I recall correctly. The caps and the eschutcheon complement one another, but when separated, they cry out for the missing componentry.

Also, if the caps are supposed to be there, only a precious few actually made it out the door with them - as evidenced by photos of the survivors!
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Posted 2008-09-19 7:24 PM (#145314 - in reply to #144239)
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..."SAFETY" headliner, huh?

Thanx, Clive.

This is not really the forum for it, but, I can post complete views of the Regal's unique-dedicated
parts listings, if you want to see them.

The Spring Special license plate escutcheons and the triangular end-of-fin caps were not
a part of the Regal's equipment.

BTW, the 1958 small, stainless-steel "License Plate Insert" option-piece (which was included in the "Bumper Group of Accessories") is NOT the same item, as the Spring Special's tremendously-large chromed-potmetal license plate "escutcheon".








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Posted 2008-09-19 7:36 PM (#145315 - in reply to #144239)
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Something ELSE interesting about the Regals: if you recall that high-line advertisement for the 57 Dodge, featuring the
profile shot of the red/white CRL, with its series of backdrop-detail-illustrations , 'hanging-on-a-wall', behind a guy,
and IF you have the full 2-page spread of that ad: look closely at the illustration for its interior, and you will see
depicted a bolster-treatment precisely like that of the Regal lancer's pseudo-bucket seats, with their elevated bolster-
supports, and recessed upholstery.

The 57's and standard 58's upholstery was produced in a flat bench seating style, but the Regals' "contoured" seats were planned- for PRIOR to the 1957 models!















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Posted 2008-09-19 7:53 PM (#145317 - in reply to #144239)
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WOW; I missed out on checking the posts at the end of page two!

I mentioned that the Regals ARE "out" there; two of em (same motif, too) showed up at the same show.

Mike, that black car almost certainly is 'merely(ha!)' a Spring Special trimmed-out car; not a Regal.

MORE trivia: what colors are the SPEAR ornaments on a Regal?

OK; can't wait; they are CHROMED, not gold plated; and, of course, the shield emblems have black paint on their inner areas.

That bronze vinyl headliner looks great; Aivar Lejin's car has a similar bronze-vinyl headliner.

And, PAT (et al): you do know that MoPar Mel is selling chromed headliner bows (hopefully, with chromed end-caps, too)?

Think he wants $100.00 for them, but they are exactly what EVERY Regal-owner needs for his car!







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Posted 2008-09-19 8:04 PM (#145318 - in reply to #144239)
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I also bought some photos, on Evilpay, recently, of a disgruntled new-owner of a Regal (4/58) demonstrating his
displeasure about how the hood insulator pad was (not-)glued to the hood underside, and apparently showing
displeasure about a loose spring associated with the OEM lower A/C ducting (at the trannie-hump), and also poking
his finger into a seam on the driver's seat-bottom (can't really see his complaint, there, too well).

The car is white, with bronze trim, and the photos are BxW.

But, you guys wouldn't want to see THOSE photos, huh?








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Posted 2008-09-19 10:08 PM (#145333 - in reply to #145317)
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Posted 2008-09-20 1:27 AM (#145352 - in reply to #145333)
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I thought MoPar Mel was doing the Belvy stuff, front to back. Maybe he is produding a side to side chrome set??? I went to a local junkyard and pulled a hard metal chrome set from a 1960 DeSoto - works perfect.

Neil - dang straight I am interested!!! Post it dad-gum! Any Regal business is my business (even though I don't own one).. I am going to look up those part #'s right now.
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Posted 2008-09-20 1:33 AM (#145353 - in reply to #145352)
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NOPE! I am wrong again! The spring special caps are PN 1950078 and 1950079! I thought I recognized those 18 numbers but the synapses and dendrites failed me again. Nuts.
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Posted 2008-09-20 1:39 AM (#145354 - in reply to #145353)
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Chrome spears?!? Holy Toledo! You can clearly see 'em on Nick's Regal, but they are not right on the barret-jackson car! Man-o-man! I love learning something brand new. Silver annodized spears must be like hen's teeth. Easy to recreate, but dang tough to find NOS.

It seems as though we have wondered far afield from the Frostbite. What a wonderful trip it has been. Pat, Nick and the boys ought to form their own website and club. Maybe Neil and I can sneak in as wannabe members - well, maybe I can sneak on as a wannabe. Neil knows his stuff.

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Posted 2008-09-20 6:46 PM (#145389 - in reply to #144239)
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I'm a serious wannabe; been studying them since the mid 80's.

I should go back and check Nick's car, et al, but Aivar's Regal has a coral-coloed grille emblem, IIRC, not a standard black one,
like all the other cars have.

Actually, the Regals are fairly easy to research, since they were a limited production mid-year model, with essentially no
exterior trim options besides ft and/or rear bumper guards, antennae, mirrors, and the 4 color schemes.

That B-J car, and as seen on prior-to-BJ-photos, has one-or-both shield emblems facing backwards, and, of course, it
has the 'gold' spears instead of the chromed ones---actually silver- anodized; not shiny-chrome.

NOPE! All of the cars on this post, except, maybe, one of those two 'show' cars, have grille emblems which are black; now THAT'S something to research: could any/all/some of the grille emblems be coral, or black ???

Unless a car is really wasted, ain't nobody gonna be expected to have to replace a grille emblem on
a car; so, most-all of the Regals 'should' have their OEM grille emblems still be installed on them.








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Posted 2008-09-21 2:49 PM (#145442 - in reply to #144239)
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Ok; just sent some pics to Clive, to post, here.

First two will show Aivar Lejin's Regal, with its apparently OEM coral-colored grille badge.

That Regal, in the background of the 'Car Show' photo, might also have a coral-colored badge.

Aivar's car also shows its weathered hood pad-insulator.

Aivar's car is coded for having OEM undercoating, which brings us to the four vinatge photos:

Vintage shots are obviously the best measure of original equipment appearance and condition.

Here, we see Mr. new-car-disgruntled-owner demonstrating that there was little, if any apparent mastic applied to glue
the pad to the hood.

That OEM pad looks just like Aivar's hood pad (except for condition and glue-edness...)

This car has a black grille emblem, and an interesting massive-application of sealer around the top of the heater housing.

In the next photo we see that the factory installed the 1957-style air cleaner on an A/C equipped car, for room/space
considerations.

As Aivar's car was/is a single-4 B-block 361 D500, I wonder if it, too received this limited-flow air cleaner, or whether it received
the better-flowing 1957 single-four D500 air cleaner (identical to NY'er and IMP), with its large oval air-element (probably: yes).

In the next two images, Mr. happy-owner is picking a nit about how the lower A/C duct was apparently not-well connected to
the dashboard. That lower duct is really cheesy-looking, however.

Notice ho NICE that the new-bright-shiny trim is, and, the brand-new brake pedal, and the exposed wiring hanging down,
below the dash panel.

Then, we see him gesturing at some defect(?) in the driver's seat bottom upholstery.

He really shouldn't have worried about that seam defect; the cloth would shred, soon enough.

Also seen is the appearance of the OEM power seat housing, but, more importantly, the vinyl skirt
that was secured (somehow) to the seat bottom. In 1957, that skirt was stapled to the bottom of the large plastic
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Posted 2008-09-21 4:51 PM (#145449 - in reply to #145442)
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Ok; just sent some pics to Clive, to post, here.






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Posted 2008-09-22 11:30 AM (#145575 - in reply to #145442)
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Great photos, Neil. The floor board well necessary for the power seat option is very interesting too in that it is so deep. The Richards family just sent me a few photos of the Kansas - Denver Regal, which completes photos of the various color schemes. Despite it's poor condition, it appears mostly complete and somewhat unmolested. Although I have never seen the car, I have been told that there is very little rust to be found.

The first shot shows the back end: it is missing the D-500 emblem. An engine photo (not included) shows that this car has the Super D-500 manifold, carbs, and linkage. The air cleaners are missing. Unfortunately, the original exhaust tips appear to be missing as well.

The second photo shows the original rear seat and a grille. If this is the original grille for the car, it came equipped with the Coronet grille emblem - that seems unlikely that a Regal would recieve a Coronet grille emblem, but you just never know.

The third photo is a good shot of original Accousti-Foam and original bow covers.

The fourth photo is a good shot of the original door panel and copper-and-black brocade cloth.

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Posted 2008-09-22 12:13 PM (#145578 - in reply to #145575)
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Posted 2008-09-22 12:26 PM (#145580 - in reply to #145578)
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Posted 2008-09-22 5:06 PM (#145627 - in reply to #145580)
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Hi, Clive:

That is Jess Ruffalo's car that was auctioned at Barrett-Jackson for $70,000 earlier this year. I even went for a ride in the back seat on the way up to the auction stage. Who owns this nifty Regal?

http://www.forwardlook.net/forums/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=21965&posts=1&highlight=Regal&highlightmode=1#M141210

Neil:

In the vintage photos, it looks like the car either has a rear speaker or a rear defogger!  If you look at the headliner shot of Regal 3, you see the sun visors which are just like the CRL visors, but copper instead of ivory.  That's what I expect in the Regals.  The Accousti-Foam visors were in the base level Coronet interiors and it seems to me they wouldn't fit the fancy factor in the Regals.

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Posted 2008-09-22 9:33 PM (#145683 - in reply to #144239)
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I take 'that' back: I'll bet that BLACK, with bronze-accent is the rarest color combo!!!

You can see, on this B-J car, that the restorer didn't know HOW to position the shield-emblems; there is/are dedicated
lt/rt side versions of it, and this car has both of them facing backwards.

Mike, your friend's Regal has a very unusual grille emblem; it resembles a Coro/Roy Spring Special emblem, and not that
"Full-Heraldry" emblem, which, altho appearing on certain 1957 Dodges, WAS adopted as the 'official' 1958 Dodge emblem.

That car's trunk IS drilled for a D500 emblem.

Yeah, that Accousti-Foam stuff was some-fun, when it started to go bad!





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Posted 2008-09-22 9:38 PM (#145684 - in reply to #144239)
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Well, I know that I have seen a MINT Accousti-Foam headliner in an entry-level 1961 Dart 2-dr HT (manual-everything/
6-banger).

That is a rear speaker knob, that you see; meant to mention that; the rear defroster worked off of a toggle switch, under the dash.

This was a heavily optioned car.

I sold some padded sunvisors to a guy, a couple years ago just like these, except they were the standard ivory color.

REMEMBER: from the Press Kit info: the Accousti-Foam headliners were installed for "SAFETY" considerations-lololololol....





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Posted 2008-09-22 11:36 PM (#145693 - in reply to #145683)
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I would love to see a fully-restored black with bronze accent Regal. Somehow, I just don't think it would be as striking as the reverse - but you never know. A shiny black car is tough to beat - and tough to keep clean! My impression of those Spring Special grille emblems is that they have separate emblems for each model; Coronet, as shown in the back seat of the Kansas - Denver Regal; Royal, with black paint and chrome helmet; and Custom Royal, with red paint and gold helmet. A Regal was, I think, a special edition of the Custom Royal and should have had the Custom Royal emblem like Aivar's.

In practice, perhaps the different plants had varying supplies of each grille emblem and they may have used what they had at the time. With today's surviving representatives, you can't tell model by grille emblem and you can't tell grille emblem by model. That may have been the way it was in 1959 too.
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Posted 2008-09-23 3:51 AM (#145708 - in reply to #144239)
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Oh, ok, that IS a spare (S.-S.) grille, sitting in the back of that car?

If the Richards family doesn't already have a copy of their "Super D500" IBM card, if someone can PM me with the car's VIN, I can forward the VIN to Darrell Davis, and he CAN confirm the car's D500 status, the next time that he goes to Detroit, to research the IBM records, at the H.S. .

A lot of the Regals seem to have a black grille emblem, rather than the Coral one.

Doesn't the Regal, in the distance of that 'show' photo, seem to have a 'colored' emblem, too? It's a long way away from the camera, but I think that I can see a slight reddish tint on iit.







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Posted 2008-09-23 4:13 AM (#145709 - in reply to #144239)
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Not Mine. Here is a picture of a Regal Lancer from way up here in Northern Wisconsin. I believe the guy said it has 30,000 original miles but he needs a/c because his went out or something. I told him about this site. I don't think he has made it here yet.



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Lancer Mike
Posted 2008-09-23 3:18 PM (#145743 - in reply to #145708)
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Justin, I think it is neat that you even saw one of these at a local show and posted the picture in your region page! I still think they are a rare treat.

Neil - I guess that is a spare Spring Special grille on the back seat, but I don't know. To me, it does not seem beyond the realm of possibility that it could be the original grille for that Regal. The Richards family was negotiating to buy the car from someone, but the deal fell through. If I can ever get in contact with the owner, I will try to get the VIN.

Yes! That Regal in the far away background does look like it has the red emblem. That is one of the reasons I suspect it is the same Regal as the one in the photo below it (which also has the red emblem). Note the black wheel rims on both cars and the narrow white wall tires. The one in the lower picture has really odd spinner hubcaps. They look like they might be the chrome remanufactured jobs rather than the stainless stockers.
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Posted 2008-09-23 5:10 PM (#145757 - in reply to #144239)
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Those do appear to be photos of the same car; note the general similarities, but also; the passenger's side windshield wiper is positioned considerably higher than the driver's side wiper, in both pics.

Mike, you wouldn't happen be able to score a pic of that 'Richards family' car's engine compartment?

A lot of times, there are tell-tales as to a Super D500 'conversion', based upon peculiar fuel lines and/or fuel filter appearances and applications; E.G: the stainless steel fuel line should not be-all-nicely formed and cut, there should not be any intermediate rubber fuel-line connections, there are incorrect ways to plumb into the two carbs, and of course, there have to be correct date-coded carburetors installed.

Given that it was a top-of-the-line model it should not be particularly surprising, but it appears that quite
a few Regals were OEM A/C equipped.







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Posted 2008-09-23 9:47 PM (#145798 - in reply to #144239)
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Just got PM'ed by a friend (yeah, I got some of them!) who informs me that he had previously sent me the P/T
plate image, on the "Richards" car (it IS a small MoPar world), and that I found that it was a single-4 D500.

But, HEY; that means that several D500 Regals have survived!






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Posted 2008-09-23 10:55 PM (#145808 - in reply to #145798)
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And speaking of Regal Lancers, (very interesting thread by the way, I've enjoyed it-these cars are fascinating) I know this has probably been asked many many times but is that bronze color available? Is there a code for it that is usable? I'd love to paint my '58 CRL in those colors.
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Posted 2008-09-24 4:07 PM (#145866 - in reply to #145808)
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it is funny how my mind plays tricks on me! I could have sworn that the picture showed the carbs...but

Here is the note from Ivy Richards:

"Here is the only picture of the engine bay for the Regal that we have. It's a little dark and
Tony tells me the intake manifold was just resting on the engine and didn't belong to the
car. So, I don't know if the picture will be of any help, but here it is."

power steering / power brakes / windshield washer?




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Posted 2008-09-24 4:14 PM (#145869 - in reply to #145866)
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Oh, Jeff:

I think I can get that paint code. I have a paint chip chart from DuPont or Ditzler or Duco...it is paint code S for the 1958 Dodge. "Metallic Copper"??? I think I have it anyway. It doesn't appear with the spring special paint chips!

Well, there I go again - making up stuff I have never seen! My Duco sheets don't show it and my Acme sheets don't show it.

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Posted 2008-09-24 11:16 PM (#145933 - in reply to #145869)
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That Kansas - Colorado Regal made it all the way out to Massachusetts (new home)! The owner does have a D-500 emblem for it and the exhaust tips, so that helps. I heard the block was cracked, so the new owner is looking for a low mileage 361 - either Dodge, DeSoto, or Chrysler. Hopefully, he might find it on the forums!
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Posted 2008-09-25 5:36 AM (#145954 - in reply to #144239)
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Hey, I have a good 1958 361 engine, it was pulled from a running 58 Desoto. If anyone knows the owner of the car, please forward him my info. or have him PM me here
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Posted 2008-09-25 2:21 PM (#145987 - in reply to #144239)
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Christopher, what is your car's stamping-number (on the flat-area, by the distributor), and, if your engine
is not installed, you should be able to check out its casting-date, at the upper rear of the block, behind the
intake manifold .








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Posted 2008-09-25 11:32 PM (#146061 - in reply to #145987)
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Christopher, I sent my contact your e-mail address - I hope he will send it on to the owner.
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Posted 2008-09-26 3:56 AM (#146074 - in reply to #144239)
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Thanks for passing the information on, I will be speaking to the new owner soon. I have never check the codes on it yet, but it is not installed.
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Posted 2008-09-29 6:31 PM (#146360 - in reply to #144388)
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Neil's car is a Regal Lancer?

The ebay car in question is an easy fix. Paint and a little bondo crammed in the antenna holes (LOL!!) and a new interior.. presto.
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Posted 2008-10-13 4:42 PM (#147981 - in reply to #146360)
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No, Danny - Neil has a gorgeous '57 Custom Royal Lancer D500. Oh, and the Frostbite is on craigslist in the Detroit area. I do wonder what it would take to "restore" it back to an original interior and original paint colors.

I once saw a tribute car, I think it was a Coronet Lancer that was painted black and bronze in a traditional saddle without the color spears on the side. It had a neat Regal-looking copy interior. I wonder if a person could do that to the Frostbite without paying an arm and a leg? I'll see if I can post some pictures.
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Posted 2008-10-13 8:52 PM (#148020 - in reply to #144239)
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The hardest part of restoring "Frostbite" would be doing the interior, completely right.

SMS makes and sells (believe it or don't) the correct bronze upholstery cloth, and vinyls.

Re-popping the door trim panels would be tough, but not impossible, as SMS (eventually-lolol) can
re-make the heat embossments in the vinyl.

Fortunately, Frostbite's steering wheel looks to be in great condition.

Step-1, besides seeing what rational price could be had for the car is: confirming its OEM paint scheme, and finding
out how excited you might be, in replicating that color scheme.--Gold, with the white trim would be my personal
least-favorite, followed closely by gold, with black trim. Then: it's a toss-up between white, with gold, and black, with
gold--depends where you may live: out in the desert SoWest: white w/gold; back-anywhere-back-east: black, with gold
trim.

Black IS the nastiest/meanest/richest 'color', but, it's the hardest to maintain, and not fun, in 85+ degree cloudless weather.






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Posted 2008-10-13 10:20 PM (#148032 - in reply to #148020)
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well, dont count on the door panels from SMS, I have been waiting over 2 years now---everytime I call them I get a different story

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Posted 2008-10-14 2:02 AM (#148045 - in reply to #144239)
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SMS made-up my car's door panel sheet vinyl, with the Mylar ovoids, in seemingly record time: several months.

My local upholstery shop, then, mated the SMS vinyl to the car's existing OEM door insert-material, and then attached it to aftermarket heavy 'cardboard' backing board.

Guess that I was just lucky; we really need someone in the Portland area to start a side business where he could deal directly WITH SMS, and approve of and accept whatever material that they might produce.

It has been asserted that SMS advises that too much of their product needs to be purchased, and that the material that they DO provide is either (slightly) incorrect-style/appearance, or of sub-standard or defective quality.

My experiences with SMS have been positive; others' experiences may vary......and that's really unfort- unate, for all of us.





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Posted 2008-10-16 12:41 AM (#148410 - in reply to #148045)
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Here are the pictures of that tribute car. It was a Custom Royal (maybe), not a Coronet. This is the type of interior I was thinking of for the Frostbite. Granted, it is not picture perfect - but probably not as expensive as something from SMS or (gasp!) new old stock. I bet any local upholstery shop could duplicate it with some success. Repaint the exterior of the Frostbite and you have a decent driver Regal that would be miles ahead of this tribute car.

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Posted 2008-10-16 1:16 AM (#148414 - in reply to #148410)
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That looks like GOLD and black rather than the COPPER and black of the Regals. The Copper color had a lot more red tone in it. I once owned a 58 Coronet 2HT painted in that color combo, but reversed. It was original paint and hardly something that could be construed a "tribute" car. One of the few I truly regret not hanging on to.
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Posted 2008-10-16 3:59 PM (#148480 - in reply to #148414)
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That is an odd one - it is not quite gold and a far cry from bronze / copper. In 1958, Dodge did produce a paint called "sand metallic" and this might be it. As someone pointed out, finding a paint chip for the bronze / copper color is not easy. I called this a tribute because the interior obviously wants to be Regal, but the exterior just isn't. Nothing wrong with that. In fact, I posted these pictures as a possible inspiration for the Frostbite. It all may be moot - I looked on craig's list and I don't see the Frostbite anymore
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Posted 2008-10-16 8:24 PM (#148504 - in reply to #144239)
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Mike, if someone is making a tribute/clone/hot-rod/etc car, then there are no limits as to originality or correctness.

Frostbite is/was a real Regal Lancer.

Some chrome-shop (IIRC) has/had a great credo: "The quality is remembered long after the price is forgotten."

SMS's materials costs won't be extravagant, as relatively very LITTLE upholstery cloth will be required---I don't think that
there is any upholstery, even, on the seat backs.

As the cloth is sold in 6'-wide swaths, only about 1-2 yards would be required for the entire car.

I don't know if SMS would try to hit you for a "Regal Tax", on the cloth and vinyl.

Your own upholstery shop will stitch it up, at their usual labor rate (same as for that 'tribute' car's work).

The largest cost would be the formation of the heat-embossed trim; again, your shop will assemble the 'loose'
material, and install the headliner (using the bronze vinyl).

It MIGHT be a waste of your time/money, but as I know that SMS has previously produced the Regal Lancer cloth and
vinyl, in your position, I would recommend that you get on a 'cheap' airline and personally visit SMS and attempt to buy the
material over the counter.

You might also have (by then) some actual measurements/data on the heat-embossed trim vinyl, so that you could personally
arrange and order that work to be done, and get an eyeball-to-eyeball deal on when the vinyl would be produced.

You also could know precisely how much vinyl and trim that you need to buy, so that SMS doesn't over-sell you on the
material.

This is how I think that I would deal with SMS on a new-large order, for material that they should have on-hand (you could
confirm their supply-availability, before getting on the airline; let em know that you're coming, for it).

HELL, you can call them right-now/tomorrow and confirm the availability and cost OF the Regal Lancer
cloth-and-vinyl!!!











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Posted 2008-10-16 10:48 PM (#148523 - in reply to #148504)
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i got prices and samples for vinyl and cloth a couple of years ago from SMS. as i remember one was about $80 a yard , the other was $50. forget which was which. need 2-3 yards of each. the samples were right on. it really shouldnt be necessary to take any special steps to obtain the cloth and vinyl. door panels i really cant express an opinion. i didnt buy any b/c i have several yards of cloth and a new half of the front seat. any good upholsterer should be able to do the job if he has a pattern to go by. i was hoping to drive my regal to the shop but just never got it running and i didnt want to remove the seats again if i didnt have to.
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Posted 2008-10-17 5:03 PM (#148606 - in reply to #144239)
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Pat, I FULLY agree that it SHOULDN'T be necessary to visit SMS in person, and, I personally have only had favorable
results in dealing with them, but, several/a-lot of others have experienced delays, mis-statements, incorrect materials
and/or over-selling from SMS on upholstery and vinyl.

When someone needs something, he NEEDS it, hopefully, as soon as possible, and in the correct style/color/quality/quantity.

As SMS apparently has a front desk, if I needed something relatively quickly, and was concerned about the above 4-criteria,
and if I had the time/money, I would personally visit SMS, eyeball their products, and try to buy their stuff over the counter.

And, if I had to order the material, I would really want to look at it in person, to correct any possible
discrepancies in the order, before I paid them for it.














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Posted 2008-10-18 11:38 PM (#148717 - in reply to #148410)
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Lancer Mike - 2008-10-15 9:41 PM Here are the pictures of that tribute car. It was a Custom Royal (maybe), not a Coronet. This is the type of interior I was thinking of for the Frostbite. Granted, it is not picture perfect - but probably not as expensive as something from SMS or (gasp!) new old stock. I bet any local upholstery shop could duplicate it with some success. Repaint the exterior of the Frostbite and you have a decent driver Regal that would be miles ahead of this tribute car.

How about a Tribute Model to a Tribute Car,  I saw this on Ebay.   

 

 





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Posted 2008-10-19 12:21 AM (#148719 - in reply to #148717)
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Wow! That is fantastic!!! I wonder how they made that model? I didn't know AMT or any of the others were making a '58 Dodge. I have to find one of those beauties. That is a stunning model: look how the paint shines. Look how the chrome shines. It looks a little like the JoHan promotional cars, but they usually don't have an interior and they usually do have side windows. I have to get on eBay and check this out!
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Posted 2008-10-19 8:29 PM (#148777 - in reply to #144239)
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This may be one of those new Resin jobs from Modelhaus, but they are pricey even to buy - around $100.00 a kit. Or it could be an old Jo-Han Kit.  I bought some Jo-Han re-issues back in the eighties, entitled " USA Oldies" which included a 60 DeSoto and 62 Chrysler 300 2 door Hardtops that came complete with interiors and engines.  This is the first 58 Dodge I've seen, so it's probably a Modelhaus, I can't remember what it said on the auction, it was a coupe of weeks ago.  The Modelhaus kits don't come with opening hoods or engines. <br />

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Posted 2008-10-19 10:59 PM (#148789 - in reply to #148777)
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Ian, I searched in vain on eBay. Do you remember for how much money it sold? I will do some searches on modelhaus. It seems to me that the JoHan cars did not have interiors, otherwise this looks like the JoHan promotional model with the very large "Custom Royal" script. However, the finish work on this model is astounding!
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Posted 2008-10-20 1:00 PM (#148857 - in reply to #144239)
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I didn't keep the link to the auction, and don't know if it sold or if so, how much it sold for etc. JoHan made both promos, without interiors, and complete kits with opening hoods, engines and interiors. I have a couple of them, the 60 DeSoto kit and 62 Chrysler 300 kit. These kits are often on Ebay. THey were re-issued in the early 80s. I'll post a pic of my DeSoto later.
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Posted 2008-10-20 5:30 PM (#148899 - in reply to #148857)
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Hi, Ian:

You did a thread on models a while back, correct? I remember that was a really neat thread. I posted pictures of my '58 Plymouth model that I made to look like the Plymouth I used to own.
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Posted 2008-10-20 6:33 PM (#148906 - in reply to #144239)
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I wonder if Modelhaus confused the coral grille emblem with the coral fin "shield" emblems?

I like the texture that appears in the upper rear seat backs, and, no, I had never seen this (series) of
regal Lancers, before.

Can you imagine how/why they might not have built these cars in ALL four color schemes????

Collect em all!





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Posted 2008-10-20 8:19 PM (#148918 - in reply to #148899)
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Lancer Mike - 2008-10-20 2:30 PM Hi, Ian: You did a thread on models a while back, correct? I remember that was a really neat thread. I posted pictures of my '58 Plymouth model that I made to look like the Plymouth I used to own.

I found my old thread on the models,  and it has a couple of the JoHan models with interiors,  the 60 DeSoto and the 62 300. 

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Posted 2008-10-21 2:25 PM (#149009 - in reply to #148918)
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Neil, I don't think whoever built this particular model was trying to build a Regal. It does appear that they were trying to build a car exactly like the "tribute" car shown below the model pictures. Yes, the red or coral shields are peculiar - otherwise it seems to be a match.
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Posted 2008-11-09 8:27 AM (#151240 - in reply to #149009)
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In yesterday's Hemming's -

"Dodge 1958 Custom Royal Regal Lancer, super rare, 1 year only, production 1,163, less than 12 known to exist, bronze over white body, original b/b 350 w/push-button Torqueflite transmission, beautiful interior reproduced to original, older amateur restoration that shows well, runs/drives very well, asking $65,000 508-317-7092, MA."

That could be one of the two bronze and white Regals in the show photo - because I think that was around the Massachusetts area. Very interesting that this Regal owner says that there are less than 12 known to exist - I would estimate a bit higher based on this thread, but that's probably right in the ball park. I remember that Barrett Jackson Regal auctioned for $70,000 a year ago - it was an excellent restoration.

I thought this was an interesting advertisement for it's discussion about value and survival rates.

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Posted 2008-11-09 3:38 PM (#151271 - in reply to #144239)
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"Older amateur restoration" indicates that the seller may not have much money invested in this car's current
condition.

He also doesn't mention any recent maintenance/upgrade work on the car.

Probably 25 Regals still exist, in varying states of existence, around the world.

It's an un-knowable number. Yeah: 12, that HE knows about.







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Posted 2008-11-09 9:13 PM (#151313 - in reply to #151271)
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I was trying to count the number we have talked about just in this thread:

the Frostbite - customized
MoPar Aivar's - eggshell and copper - Super D500
Pat Grant's - eggshell and copper
Nick Nichol's - copper and eggshell - D500 badge
East Coast Car 1 - eggshell and copper
East Coast Car 2 - eggshell and copper
Richard's - black and copper - D500
Jess Ruffalo's - copper and black (was eggshell and copper)
Balsam Lake Car - eggshell and copper

That is nine - Neil I bet you are right - there must be at least twice that number. 25 is a good Scientific Wild @ss Guess! Like the advertisement says, these are rare birds. I think that the advertised car is one of the East Coast cars. I have heard that a famous Canadian restorer owns one, but I am not sure if he still has it or has sold it to someone mentioned above...so I can't get us into double digits.

The think that is most surprising to me is that most of these Regals are eggshell and copper. Before this thread, the most photographed one I ever saw was Jess Ruffalo's and I thought most were copper and black!!! Of course, after seeing it in person - I now know that it too started out as eggshell and copper. It makes me really appreciate seeing all the others out there. I bet Pat Grant knows of more.

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Posted 2008-11-10 6:10 PM (#151415 - in reply to #144239)
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Yeah, Greg Leggatt owns at least one Regal; that puts us at 10 cars.

Funny thing : I know of at least 6 D501's (including two convertibles) that still exist; that number represents about 6% of
the total production (there apparently were at least two prototypes, which may or may not be part of the official 102 501's
produced).

Six percent of 1163 Regals built happens to be about 70 cars still remaining. You have to believe that a higher
percentage of high-end Regals would have survived, than did the real throw-away (all were:) manual-steering-and-transmissioned
Coronet 501 sedans and ( about 25, too) convertibles .





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Posted 2008-11-10 6:27 PM (#151423 - in reply to #151415)
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I wondered if the Balsam Lake car might be Leggatt's. I don't know. That is interesting, Neil - you would think that more of these cars survived. Maybe the high-end trim option on a Dodge worked against it. Unlike a very low production Chrysler 300, these were less well-known, a bit gaudier, and did not necessarily have the hot rod engine.

I remember one of Leggatt's cars was recently for sale and they had a similar claim in the advertisement. It was a Canadian Custom Royal spring special and was advertised as one of 12 made, blah, blah, blah... Suspiciously alike, now that I think about it. Could this be Leggatt's?
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Posted 2008-11-10 6:42 PM (#151430 - in reply to #144239)
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Greg restored (in the best sense of that word) a gorgeous pinkish-coral over white 1958 Coronet Spring Special,
2-dr HT about 15 years ago.

He also did-up a 58 2-tone green Coronet 2-dr HT, but it wasn't a Spring Special. AND, he restored a 2-tone blue
(forget which model) 4-dr sedan.

If that Balsam Lake car is incredibly nice and correctly-done, it could have been Greg's car.




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there is a fellow in connecticut by the name of joe macaluso that has a eggshell and copper car that may be one of your east coast cars. i didnt want to have to go back thru all 100 posts to see if i had mentioned him . the last time i had contact with him he was working on it after 23 years. it was pretty badly rusted. greg leggatt does reproduction wiring harnesses and he brought his regal to a 300 meet in maine a few years back. by the pictures it is a truly beautiful car. wayne graefen who lives in texas and is a walking encylcopedia on old mopars probably knows where everyone still in existence is. i will have to ask him . pat
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grant4405 - 2008-11-10 7:52 PM

there is a fellow in connecticut by the name of joe macaluso that has a eggshell and copper car that may be one of your east coast cars. i didnt want to have to go back thru all 100 posts to see if i had mentioned him . the last time i had contact with him he was working on it after 23 years. it was pretty badly rusted. greg leggatt does reproduction wiring harnesses and he brought his regal to a 300 meet in maine a few years back. by the pictures it is a truly beautiful car. wayne graefen who lives in texas and is a walking encylcopedia on old mopars probably knows where everyone still in existence is. i will have to ask him . pat
I think he posts here from time to time with the user name joemac.
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Posted 2008-11-11 12:01 AM (#151480 - in reply to #151476)
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I think Joe might be the one whose friend purchased the black and copper car. Out of all the foward look cars there are lots of very interesting little subsets: D501's, Pace Setters, Blue Herons, Dash Ones, Green Falcons, Spring Specials, Letter Cars, Silver Specials, Ghia Limousines, etc. The Regal subset is particulary interesting to me. Every time I see one, I think it is such a treat.

There is not much to them: a different color, a little different paint scheme, slightly different trim and badges, and a different interior - a very casual observer might say they are about the same as any other '58 Dodge. But they are so very appealing when you look at them! My impression is that awareness of them was or perhaps still is pretty low on the radar. I don't think the owner of the Frostbite even advertised his as a Regal!
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Lancer Mike - 2008-11-10 10:01 PM

I think Joe might be the one whose friend purchased the black and copper car. Out of all the foward look cars there are lots of very interesting little subsets: D501's, Pace Setters, Blue Herons, Dash Ones, Green Falcons, Spring Specials, Letter Cars, Silver Specials, Ghia Limousines, etc. The Regal subset is particulary interesting to me. Every time I see one, I think it is such a treat.

There is not much to them: a different color, a little different paint scheme, slightly different trim and badges, and a different interior - a very casual observer might say they are about the same as any other '58 Dodge. But they are so very appealing when you look at them! My impression is that awareness of them was or perhaps still is pretty low on the radar. I don't think the owner of the Frostbite even advertised his as a Regal!


Same thing with my namesake here: The 1955 DeSoto Fireflite Coronado.

Strictly a 4 door sedan affair that year whose trim is identical to any "run-of-the-mill" Fireflite, but was the only DeSoto available with a factory tri-tone paint job of turquoise/black/white in whatever desired combination (most common I've seen is the one John's been saving for me, more or less - turquoise body/white sweep/black roof - but I've seen 'em with white body/turquoise sweep/black roof and one person over at Duricy's "DeSotoland" has one with black body/white sweep/turquoise roof).

Other Coronado-specific accoutrements include standard power steering, standard power brakes, standard 4-way power seat and turquoise cloth/white leather upholstery. Here's a few exterior/interior pics of the Coronado at John's yard - oh, and it's 1 of 487 built :



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Posted 2008-11-11 2:54 PM (#151527 - in reply to #144239)
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Mark, your car, when restored (by you) will be stunning.

Mike, I gotta disagree with you, about the Regals "having not much to them".

Except for the sheetmetal, almost all of the interior and exterior finishings were unique to that car model.

From the steering wheel, to the interior and headliner, to the exterior stainless and trim, to the paint work: they're all
unique to that car.

It's amazing that any parts-cars ever survived---Greg found at least one of them; I've got a photo of it, in my archives.
Maybe I'll go find it, today.




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Posted 2008-11-11 5:10 PM (#151545 - in reply to #144239)
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Ok; found my Regal collection, and sent Clive some pics to post of unrestored Regals (do these count against the "12"???)

There will be two shots of the black-over-bronze, that Greg Leggatt either restored, or used as his parts car---I THINK that this is the
car that he restored; he wrote once to say that he'd found a 'stripper' Regal---that may have been his parts-donor.

There will be 2 shots of a white-over-bronze, a bronze-over white (this one is accounted-for, here, I believe, an all-bronze
#4 car, and a white-over-bronze which has had its fins be painted black.

Finally, I sent a pic of a phot that Greg had sent years ago, showing how his car's Lance emblems were silver, not gold.






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Ok; found my Regal collection, and sent Clive some pics to post of unrestored Regals (do these count against the "12"???)

There will be two shots of the car that Greg Leggatt either restored, or used as his parts car---I THINK that this is the
car that he restored; he wrote once to say that he'd found a 'stripper' Regal---that may have been his parts-donor.

There will be 2 shots of a white-over-bronze, a bronze-over white (this one is accounted-for, here, I believe, an all-bronze
#4 car, and a white-over-bronze which has had its fins be painted black.

Finally, I sent a pic of a phot that Greg had sent years ago, showing how his car's Lance emblems were silver, not gold.






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Posted 2008-11-11 5:45 PM (#151552 - in reply to #144239)
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Hmmm...I now think that that second black-over-bronze may have been Greg's stripper-parts-car, as it has no rear antennae,
like the 'first' car has, and it might have a white wall tire still on it; the 'first' car has a blackwall, on the rt/rr side.
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Posted 2008-11-11 7:34 PM (#151570 - in reply to #151552)
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Wow! Another treasure trove Neil! Yes, I would certainly count these among existing cars (at least at the time the photos were taken)! Something you said about the steering wheel: yes, it was a unique bronze color with the ivory two-tone treatment, but otherwise exactly like every other '58 Dodge two-tone steering wheel, right?
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your picture #32 is my car sitting in a driveway in kansas city . i picked it up near there in 2003, i believe. it looks a little better now-same color scheme and same tires. do you mind if i ask where you got your pictures? some of these cars have lead fascinating lives-more so than a lot of people.
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Posted 2008-11-11 8:54 PM (#151588 - in reply to #151581)
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Pat, my photos go back to the 1980's, from various sources.

At least, I did not take this photo. You don't recognize the background in that photo, huh?

BTW, the car which I believe to be Greg Leggatt's car (#28, above) appears to have a coral-colored grille emblem.

Pat, I have at least four more photos of your car (other side/rear-view; two interior, and a right/front) ; please PM me your
address & I'll send you their images. You can decide if you want to post them on this site, or not; nothing wrong with the photos;
the photo paper looks to be identical, so I'm pretty sure that these views are of your car.




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Posted 2008-11-11 9:10 PM (#151590 - in reply to #151527)
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Mark, your car, when restored (by you) will be stunning.



Thanks, Neil. I'm as devout a hardtop guy as there is, but when John first posted pictures of this baby back last November (1 of the 5 DeSotos he rescued at that time), I was absolutely spellbound (and still am) - and not by something so definable as its rareness. She just oozes class, IMO.

The question now is when?

Unfortunately, the way things are here at present, it's utterly out of the question - my job hours have been scaled back such since July that I doubt I'll make my own d@mn car insurance payment this February without a lend.....
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Posted 2008-11-12 2:42 PM (#151659 - in reply to #144239)
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Olde Car restoration is not exactly a mandatory-priority, at any time, unless you do that work to try to turn a profit
on it.

The temperature, this week, in the Eastern Sierra region is in the historically-high record range (like, 80 degrees, today)
and that's NOT good for the local tourist industry (skiing, right now).

Fortunately, for those of us in the insurance-claims profession, when economic times get tough, people tend to MAKE claims,
where they might not, otherwise, so we are somewhat insulated (unless insurance companies go bankrupt, and we don't
get paid---I got NOTHING to do with AIG, btw) ...from serious downturns in the economy.

The definition of having monetary wealth is to have it during economic recessions/depressions, NOT (just) when the economy is rising and 'everybody' is spending it as fast as they can earn it.

What 'good' does cheap gas 'do', if no one can afford to go out and drive their cars?







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Posted 2008-11-12 3:46 PM (#151670 - in reply to #151659)
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There is at leat one Regal Lancer in Sweden, a beautiful unrestored bronze over eggshell. Enjoy the pics I took at the Nasco Yankees meeting in Falköping Sweden last summer. I run across the car this spring and still in the same condition even though the owner spoke about restoring last summer.



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Posted 2008-11-12 4:16 PM (#151673 - in reply to #144239)
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That's a real beauty Thord - I don't see anything that must be renovated on it. "Nice to have" would be a retouch of the engine compartment.
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Posted 2008-11-12 5:04 PM (#151677 - in reply to #144239)
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Ohh, so THIS is the car that I just de-coded, over on the Fender Tag board, huh???

What appears to be strange, is the black seat welting, around the seat perimeter.

That's not supposed to be black, but bronze.

Maybe I'll have Clive post a pic of an unrestored interior, if a shot has not already been posted on this thread.

Nice car, though; the wheels are supposed to be eggshell white.

The dual antennae are not confirmed on the P/T plate, but it/they will be shown/listed on the Broadcast Sheet
and IBM card-copy.

That's a coral-colored grille emblem car, too!






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Maybe I'll have Clive post a pic of an unrestored interior, if a shot has not already been posted on this thread.





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Posted 2008-11-12 6:12 PM (#151687 - in reply to #144239)
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I really have enjoyed this thread, and especially all of the pictures. I have a question, is a "base" regal lancer overall a nicer car than a base custom royal? They almost look nicer picture after picture.
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Posted 2008-11-12 6:47 PM (#151694 - in reply to #144239)
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James, the Regal Lancers were a mid-year top-of-the-line submodel which was created to compete with the upscale
Poncho Bonnevilles, and maybe, the Buick Limiteds (altho they were available in convertibles.)

There really was no reason not to make a Regal convertible, beyond the quarter panel and rear seat upholstery-size
differences--everything else would have been the same (except for the LACK of the Accousti-Foam headliners--lolol).

A Regal Lancer would be considerably more desirable, and valuable, than a similar-model Custom Royal.

I know, from having sat in a front seat, that the RL's form-fitted suedo-bucket-style seats are more comfortable than the other models' standard-shaped bench seats.

The mostly-white one would be the easiest to maintain, but, IMHO, the most impressive color style might be the mostly black one, with the bronze accents.







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Posted 2008-11-12 11:14 PM (#151724 - in reply to #151694)
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That is an interesting Regal, Thord! One thing I noticed is that it does not have the shield and lance on the glove-box door, which was a standard feature of the Custom Royal line and I would assume so on the Regal as well. Also interesting are the gold-painted valve covers. I had heard that some valve covers were painted either bronze or gold, but I had not seen very many. It seems most were painted argent silver as was the block.

I personally think that the Regals are perhaps the most desireable '58 Dodges. It is difficult to compare them that way though. You might see a very appealing Texan club sedan with rare options like a Super D-500 and power windows and seats. Convertibles have great appeal too. It probably comes down to a comparison of each individual car. By and large, though, the Regals have a leg up on the competition.
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Posted 2008-11-15 3:43 PM (#152039 - in reply to #144239)
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I think this is Christine's very distant cousin, "Shaniqua".
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Posted 2008-12-09 2:29 PM (#154864 - in reply to #152039)
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This was an interesting video on youtube. If you have a spare 6+ minutes, it is a fun ride. Do not attempt to view with a dial up connection unless you have time to spare!

 

 



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Posted 2008-12-09 2:36 PM (#154865 - in reply to #154864)
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That looks like Mopar Aivar's Super D-500 Regal and is that Gary's '59 Dodge convertible? I have seen that pop up dash video screen before!
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Lancer Mike - 2008-12-09 7:36 PM

That looks like Mopar Aivar's Super D-500 Regal and is that Gary's '59 Dodge convertible? I have seen that pop up dash video screen before!


YEP..
Gary has quite a few You-Tube video,s on there ..His name on there is ... 1959CustomRoyal ... Not sure how to get ALL his Video,s up though..

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Lancer Mike - 2008-12-09 7:36 PM

That looks like Mopar Aivar's Super D-500 Regal and is that Gary's '59 Dodge convertible? I have seen that pop up dash video screen before!


Not sure how to get ALL his Video,s up though..

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Sussed it.. Click on the Video Above,, Then click on 1959CustomRoyal.. This will them say 42 Videos available,, Click on " SEE ALL " ...

Gary is a Busy Boy on You-Tube ...LOL Great Footage though....

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Posted 2008-12-09 11:03 PM (#154945 - in reply to #154887)
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I haven't seen Gary post in awhile. I hope everything is alright. Those look like the Spring Special fin caps on Aivar's Regal - I think that is a very good look on the Regals!
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Posted 2008-12-10 9:22 PM (#155043 - in reply to #144239)
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That's Aivar's car, all right. It has virtually every OEM option on it except for the Super D500, and "Bumper Group"
option package (that would include the rear bumper guards).

Funny, but I never noticed its Spring Special fin trim, before. It's probably OEM to the car, but only the IBM card-copy
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Posted 2008-12-10 9:40 PM (#155046 - in reply to #144239)
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I think my tastes are shifting. At one time, I hated 57 Dodges because of their big funny parking lights and plain grill/bumper, and my feelings toward 58's were lukewarm at best. Now I think 58's in general are becoming my favorite year Dodge. Kind of like the 57's now too, as long as they have custom royal teeth in the bumper to offset the plainness.
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I'm Great, thanks everybody. Nice job of posting the video up on this post. I did post a video, a shorter one, where you will be riding "Shotgun" and Aivar puts the pedal to the metal and kicks in all * barrels---just the thing to warm you guys up on a long winter's day. Maybe you can post that one here, Mike?
You can also go cruising in Aivar's 58 New Yorker Convertible "The Emerald Queen"
Glad you guys are enjoying the Videos. And Yep that is my 59 with the "Popout" DVD player that you hear, playing in the background!!



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Hmmmm, The cop said it was red!!!!!
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I think this is the one, Gary - man, you are a busy bee on the YouTube. That could be the wave of the future though.

 

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I like that Dave has enabled us to post links to YouTube here. You can watch the video and then have some discussion about what is shown. It is pretty amazing, really. So, Aivar's car is a Super D-500 and you show a great shot of the rear defogger option later in the video. The sound of the turn signal blinker is oh so familiar! What a fun ride!

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Posted 2008-12-11 4:35 PM (#155110 - in reply to #155101)
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Yep that's the right one, Thanks Mike
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Posted 2008-12-19 6:27 PM (#156127 - in reply to #144239)
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Lancer Mike - 2008-09-09 11:57 PM

You read right, a REGAL LANCER. This is not my car. If you are interested, contact Jim at miz7@comcast.net . I think he is asking $29,500 and I believe it is in the Detroit area on Craigslist.  I don't think Jim is a member.

If you are a purist, don't look. I like the naked babe pinstriping motif.


OK,, Lets take this thread back 6 pages to the Original Posting........

FROSTBITE is BACK.. Listed on Ebay Now..

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Posted 2008-12-19 7:44 PM (#156142 - in reply to #144239)
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Y'know? If anyone is fortunate enough, ever to be able to restore this car, it SHOULD always be known as "Frostbite" !!!
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Posted 2008-12-23 6:29 PM (#156533 - in reply to #156142)
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This is a pretty difficult sale. I imagine a lot of time and effort went in to the customization of the car. I am sure the seller looks at all this time and effort as value added to the car. Any potential buyer will have to overcome that and then face significant expenses to get the car back to normal again. It should be a big gap to bridge.
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Posted 2008-12-26 4:52 PM (#156813 - in reply to #156533)
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Bidding ended at just over $12,000 with the reserve not met. That is probably within the range I would offer if I wanted to own the car. $10,000 - $15,000? I would be very heisitant to go north of $15,000 on the Frostbite - just because I feel I would have to replace the interior and wheels/tires to enjoy driving it.
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Posted 2008-12-26 6:09 PM (#156818 - in reply to #144239)
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The first thing you'd have to do, is lose those low-rider wheels/tires.

Then comes the interior........
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Posted 2008-12-27 8:49 PM (#156991 - in reply to #156818)
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This car, in the $15k range would sure be tempting. I mean, how many can there be?? I have my doubts on a Michigan car with no rust. Of course, it may have spent most of its life in Phoenix so who knows. Anyway, I hope it goes to a good home. Heaven knows, it has been used and abused something fierce!
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Posted 2008-12-28 1:12 PM (#157046 - in reply to #156991)
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A quick word in defense of the current owner, Jim - who I don't know from Adam - I am going to submit that this car is not abused. Looking at the pictures, it appears to be very well maintained, cared for, and quite operable. Of course, I would much rather see this type of customization done to a garden variety V-8 Coronet, but I don't believe this car has been abused. I am far more guilty of "cruelty to Dodge" than whomever created the Frostbite. I have taken cars apart (with the best of intentions) and let them languish, which is much more abusive than keeping a Dodge on the road. Of the twenty or so Regals we have seen on this thread, a few have been left out in the elements to suffer the full ravages of time - which, in my opinion, is a bit worse than customizing a rarity. Ok, that said, I stand ready to have my knuckles rapped!
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Posted 2008-12-28 1:36 PM (#157047 - in reply to #157046)
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Lol! Point taken. Still, some shots of the floorpan would be nice. But yes, there appears to be nothing that was done that some paint will not fix and that is a good thing.
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Posted 2009-01-01 9:33 PM (#157522 - in reply to #144239)
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I can't believe a thread has been going on for 3 months on Regal Lancers and I didn't know about it! I guess I've been spending too much time working on the car to read this forum. I have a lot of information that I can add to the data base on Regal Lancers. I'll post on different topics so this doesn't get too long. Below are some pictures of the original interior that I recently removed. These seats used the bolster type asembly which I'm told is similar to Adventurer seats. My interior set is being used by Gary Goers as a pattern to do a run of interior sets for a number of owners. Although my interior was worn it was intact and was in dry inside storage for the past 28 years. If you read this and need an interior please contact Gary as these are in production as I write this. The materials are being sourced from SMS and others to get the best possible match. You'll note that the piping is copper not black. On the back of the fabric is a date of 12/17/57 and a signature by "Tony". I think he was proud of his work. These are very complex interiors to create.



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Posted 2009-01-01 9:37 PM (#157523 - in reply to #144239)
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Posted 2009-01-01 10:23 PM (#157526 - in reply to #144239)
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Posted 2009-01-02 8:37 PM (#157610 - in reply to #144239)
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Hopefully, Gary will make up 2-4 extra sets of interiors, above his order-number.







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Posted 2009-01-02 9:52 PM (#157620 - in reply to #157610)
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d500neil - 2009-01-02 5:37 PM Hopefully, Gary will make up 2-4 extra sets of interiors, above his order-number.

I doubt he will !  knowing that he makes all the 300 interiors to order as orders come.  

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Posted 2009-01-03 3:44 PM (#157687 - in reply to #144239)
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With the correct/proper material (from SMS) ANY local-competent auto upholstery shop should be able to
stitch together these seats.

My own shop, here, custom created a set of Regal Lancer seats, using the OEM remnants as patterns.

As there IS some measure of careful work involved in creating these seats, it would be nice if Gary, once he gets all
geared-up to sew these seats, would continue to make a few extra ones, instead of having to waste time/energy in
re-learning the construction details involved in creating these seats' detail-patterns.








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Posted 2009-01-03 4:52 PM (#157693 - in reply to #144239)
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Neil, You're right. Any good upholstery shop can do this work. For me the timing was right. A few other owners that were looking for an intact pattern set because theirs were so badly deteriorated asked me to send mine to Gary. I know there are orders for 5 sets right now which include mine, the KS/CO black Regal, The Ruffalo/BJ Regal, another Regal on the left coast and one guy that wants to put them in his Custom Royal convertible. It would be a good idea to have a couple sets on the shelf. I'll suggest this to Gary but it's a business decision in the end. I'm sure he will keep the patterns and a stock of materials in any case. He is also arranging for door panels to be redone through an arrangement he has with SMS where he gets better turn-around as a vendor. I'm not getting my door panels done but I hear the quality is very good. I have a lot of other Regal Lancer info and pictures I'd like to post. It will clarify a lot of the questions that have been posted in this thread. Should I continue here (we've totally hijacked this thread) or start a new thread elsewhere?
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Posted 2009-01-03 5:03 PM (#157695 - in reply to #157693)
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Joe Mac - 2009-01-03 9:52 PM

Should I continue here (we've totally hijacked this thread) or start a new thread elsewhere?


I would say post HERE as this has turned in to a Great 1958 Regal Lancer Thread

OR

Start a New Thread in the " Body, Glass, Interior and Trim " Region...


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Posted 2009-01-03 6:12 PM (#157710 - in reply to #144239)
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Here's some pictures of the sales brochure that show the Acousti-Foam headliner and generally hype the uniqueness of this model. Note that despite that color code being copper poly they refer to the color as bronze. I guess that sounded classier. Also notice the white car appears to have gold Regal Lancer script and spear.



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Posted 2009-01-03 8:04 PM (#157715 - in reply to #157710)
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Hi, Joe:

That's fantastic! I am glad you found the thread - I would continue posting here - since this thread has become "all things" Regal. Yours is perhaps one of the most exciting Regals, being a D-500 in a otherwise unseen color combination. I know Tony Richards was lobbying hard to get that Regal. I would have been too, but for the fact that I did not know the owner and nobody who knew about the car would reveal the owner's identity to me! I do wish I could have seen that car in person. However, knowing that you have it and are on this site is wonderful. I am glad to hear that Goers is reproducing the interior. His name is synonymous with top-quality.

I am also surprised to hear that the Ruffalo/BJ car is one of the customers for a new interior. I sat in the car an it seemed very, very nice. I suppose it is always good to have a spare! I have a Coronet convertible (under restoration) and I've often wondered what that interior would look like in a convertible.

Mike

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Posted 2009-01-04 8:37 PM (#157823 - in reply to #144239)
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Posted 2009-01-04 9:19 PM (#157827 - in reply to #157823)
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Posted 2009-01-05 6:29 PM (#157916 - in reply to #144239)
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Oh, definitely, THIS should remain as the Regal Lancer Thread/board!

It's very-nice to know that Gary is going to re-pop the door panels, too.

That only pretty-much leaves the headliner as being Unobtanium, and it/they can be reasonably-facsimilied by installing
bronze vinyl material, with MoPar Mel's chromed roof rail bows.

The sun visors would be tough to re-do, with their Mylar trim, on padded bronze-vinyl material.

Frostbite is looking to become MORE interesting, now, and, the seller will probably be getting very anxious to sell it, as he's
been advertising it for quite some time.

Joe, did you check-out my Regal lancer PRESS KIT, earlier-on, in this thread?







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Posted 2009-01-05 6:59 PM (#157921 - in reply to #144239)
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BTW, on the 3rd page of this thread, on the "Regal 3.jpg" photo, there is a good view of the padded-bronze sunvisor
with Mylar trim, AND, the remains of an OEM Accouti-Foam headliner--lolol....

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Posted 2009-01-05 7:11 PM (#157923 - in reply to #157921)
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d500neil - 2009-01-05 11:59 PM

BTW, on the 3rd page of this thread, on the "Regal 3.jpg" photo, there is a good view of the padded-bronze sunvisor
with Mylar trim, AND, the remains of an OEM Accouti-Foam headliner--lolol....


I saw it on page 2 Better...

My Question is, What Model and Years ( 57.58.59 ) did they fit the Mylar Trim / Padded Sun-Visor ???? I have them fitted on my 59 as mine had the Cardboard type ( still have them ) .. I bought some from Ebay 2 years back, they where listed as 58, So i pulled the Bar out and fitted the Chrome 59 Bar to it, Mine are a Cream colour with the Mylar Trim to match my " Custom " Interior ( also has Mylar on door panels ) ..???????????
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Posted 2009-01-05 7:28 PM (#157926 - in reply to #144239)
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Clive, as far as I know, the padded sun visors were a 1958 Dodge item, only----not certain about a 1959 carry-over,
though.

I had a set of padded sunvisors that I took off of a 1958 PLY Sport Suburban (IIRC) which were ivory, with the Mylar trim.

I sold them (too cheaply, now!) to Ed Erickson, back east, to put on his 58Fury.

Another interesting point/detail: the factory literature will show bronze-colored dash panel inserts, for the driver's gauges and on the glove box.

In production, there appears to be only(?) the standard silver-andodized aluminum dash inserts having been used (check the
photos of cars' dashes, in this thread).

If I can remember to do this, I think I'll go check my Regal Press Kit, to see if the dash inserts have unique
part numbers being listed for them.

If they do have a unique P/N shown, then, at least SOME Regals must have got the bronze anodized
dash inserts!!!----and, if no dash insert P/N's are shown, then, none of the production Regals got
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Posted 2009-01-05 9:33 PM (#157942 - in reply to #157715)
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Lancer Mike - 2009-01-03 8:04 PM

Hi, Joe:

That's fantastic! I am glad you found the thread - I would continue posting here - since this thread has become "all things" Regal. Yours is perhaps one of the most exciting Regals, being a D-500 in a otherwise unseen color combination. I know Tony Richards was lobbying hard to get that Regal. I would have been too, but for the fact that I did not know the owner and nobody who knew about the car would reveal the owner's identity to me! I do wish I could have seen that car in person. However, knowing that you have it and are on this site is wonderful. I am glad to hear that Goers is reproducing the interior. His name is synonymous with top-quality.

I am also surprised to hear that the Ruffalo/BJ car is one of the customers for a new interior. I sat in the car an it seemed very, very nice. I suppose it is always good to have a spare! I have a Coronet convertible (under restoration) and I've often wondered what that interior would look like in a convertible.

Mike


Mike, I think the way I worded that post was misleading. I don't own the black D500 Regal (however I know the new owner and have seen the car). That black is exceptionally solid as someone else mentioned. I have a picture of the floors below.



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Posted 2009-01-05 9:44 PM (#157943 - in reply to #144239)
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Here's a better shot of the dash in the brochure. Mine wasn't actually bronze tone but in the steering wheel horn rim there was copper color between the chrome stripes. It's not unusual for the prototype cars used for promotion to be different from the production as we all know. For instance the glove box door in the brochure has no lance and sheild, where mine does. I've seen many Regals that have the plain door. Notice the print date on the brochure of 1-58. My car's schedule date is 12-26-57 and is an early build and may be a little different than the others.



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Posted 2009-01-05 10:00 PM (#157947 - in reply to #157942)
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Boy-oh-boy! That must have been a western Kansas car from the high plains! Great photos, Joe. I probably read something into your message that I shouldn't have. At any rate, that Regal could use the Frostbite's (old) steering wheel! That point about the copper colored dash inserts is a good one. If they didn't do it they should have - I think that would really complement the dash board and interior.

Clive, there was a 1959 Custom Royal here in Denver that had those padded visors. We ran a thread about it in the Rocky Mountain Region and I think you had a few posts there. I remember when I sat inside the car noting that those visors were exactly like my 1958 Custom Royal visors. I would think that you could probably stain or color a set of those bronze to fit into a Regal, but like Neil said - slim pickins they are!
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Posted 2009-01-05 10:09 PM (#157950 - in reply to #157947)
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Maybe the bunch of us on this thread should chip in and buy the Frostbite We each pay a $1,000 and you get to keep it for 365 days before you have to drive it to the next guy. Only condition is you have to convert something back to original before you send it on. Last one alive keeps it!
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Posted 2009-01-05 10:20 PM (#157951 - in reply to #144239)
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Here's a shot of my car at the shop just before a new Metalcrafters quarter panel was welded in and floors made by R/Car. I found something interesting on the firewall. Apparently the colors were written in yellow crayon under the heater area as it came down the production line. Mine says White-White-Bronze. I never knew it was there until I stripped the engine bay. Just for laughs I checked the black D500 car and I could make out enough letters to determine it was similarly marked Bronze-Black.



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Posted 2009-01-06 7:00 PM (#158046 - in reply to #144239)
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I don't get-it; the "white white bronze" was written AFTER the car was painted????

I wonder what the additional "19" confirms?

Not real-straight masking-off , for the side-painting, too, huh?

The interesting thing about some of the glove boxes not having lance-and-shield emblems is the fact that those "non'-"
cars must have had glove box lids, and aluminum cover-plates, from a CRL SEDAN, which did not have any pre-cut holes in the
lids and plates, to accept the 'emblems', because the sedans were not "Lancers" (and would not have had any 'emblems' ON
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Posted 2009-01-06 10:49 PM (#158069 - in reply to #144239)
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The white-white bronze was written after the "body" was painted but before the roof and side spear were painted. The overspray you see is from when the side spear paint that blew through the gap between the door and fender. I think the line under the first white means white top. Something else you'll notice in that picture is that the antenna cable hole is used. I think I had the only Regal with a fender mount antenna. Sorry for the purists out there but I'm putting dual rears on this car. It just doesn't look right to me otherwise.
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Posted 2009-01-07 12:25 AM (#158073 - in reply to #158069)
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No apologies necessary, Joe - it is your car. I even defended the Frostbite! I think the dual deck antennae are going to look very sharp. If you take a car down to that level, you deserve to add a few of your own touches! One of the photos you took of the bronze/bronze/black Richards / Massachusetts car you took on page 7 brings up another question.

The photo of the trunk clearly shows the 1957 trim piece on the inside edge of the fin. I did not recall this piece on the Ruffalo/BJ Regal. It looks like the piece would be unnecessary for the Regal paint job, did Regals come with that piece of trim or not? Neil, does your parts list show those pieces and the 1957 fin caps (Coronet or Royal, but not Custom Royal) necessary to fit those on to a 1958? Something seems amiss with that.
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Posted 2009-01-07 3:21 AM (#158082 - in reply to #144239)
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Joe, do that baby up.

If I were lucky enough to snag a Regal Lancer, I'd deck her out with every conceivable period option I could get my mits on, including making her a Super D-500 and painting her with a copper body/black roof and sweep whether she rolled of the line like that or not.

I certainly wouldn't support a "Frostbite" like effort, but if/when I get mine, the slate gets wiped clean as if I'd walked into the dealership and "custom" ordered her myself - 100% stock, but with all the bells and whistles that were available at the time.
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Posted 2009-01-07 12:31 PM (#158103 - in reply to #144239)
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Mike,
I've never seen a Regal with that stainless strip. The fin and trunk are the same color making it unecessary as a cover to a color separation. The strip above the tailight that runs from the fin end is there unless you have the potmetal inserts as mine does. Many people will tell you that these insets are incorrect for Regals but I know mine was delivered this way from the factory because there are no holes for strip. Actually I've never seen 2 Regals that are done the same. Despite the limited number of options there was a lot of subtle differences some of which I attribute to Chrysler's reputation for production line ad-libbing. That being said I will add some things that shouldn't be there also because as 55 Coro noteed these cars look good decked out.
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Posted 2009-01-07 2:48 PM (#158117 - in reply to #144239)
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Joe/Mike : "Never-say-never", but, WOW!

The 1957 and 1958 (except for the "Saddle-trim" painted '58's ) had completely different end-of-fin chrome "caps".

The 1957-style had mounting-tabs/ears, on the inboard side, to accept the attachment of the thin stainless steel molding
that was necessary to separate the painted fin; in 1958, the fin was painted the same color as the trunk, so, that extra
labor/parts expense was saved, without having to include the cost to install that trim piece.

The 1958 end-of-fin cap just terminates at the level of the quarter panel, 'straight-down', kinda.

Joe, you shouild carefully document the installation of that '1957' quarter panel thin-trim, and THEN, do NOT (probably!)
re-install that trim, but, fill in the mounting holes, and then go-install "correct" 1958 end-of-fin caps, if ONLY
to avoid 'questions' about the legitimacy OF your restoration----the potential hassles are just not 'worth' having those 1957
trim pieces remain installed!!!

BESIDES: yer gonna go install dual antennae, anyway.


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Posted 2009-01-07 3:21 PM (#158119 - in reply to #158117)
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Interesting! We talked about those Spring Special fin caps before. I think MoPar Aivar's Regal has those. Interesting to note that yours came from the factory. Are you going to install the wide license plat eschutcheon too? I think the caps and eschutcheon go very well together. To me, one without the other looks like something is missing. Here is a picture of my Royal. It had the fin caps (from the dealer), but no eschutcheon. I bought an eschutcheon and put it on. As far as I am concerned, those items could be installed by the factory, dealer, or restorer.



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Posted 2009-01-07 8:29 PM (#158165 - in reply to #144239)
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Each of the Spring Special trim pieces was officially available (per factory advertising) as dealership-installed items (hell, the factory
didn't CARE, if some owner used those factory-pieces to customize his car!)

Mike, your car has the gold-anodized "Dodge" trunk emblem. I've seen CRL's wearing either the silver, or the gold, 'plated'
nameplates, but, I can't recall the last Royal or Coro that I've seen, having the gold-colored nameplate on it.

Mike's photo clearly shows the appearance of the 1958 end-of-fin cap, which has its inboard leg just terminate at the point
where it meets the upper quarter panel; the 1957 piece has a small tab/ear/sprag connected to the inboard leg, to fit into
the thin fin-molding, as seen on Joe's photo "Trunk.jpeg" , on thread-page #7 .






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Has anyone ever inquired of the seller of Frostbite as to what the reserve is?  You know some sellers will reveal their reserve and some won't.  I was curious so I asked today.   Got a reply from Sal Misuraca: "The reserve is $23,000.00.  If you are interested in the Lancer we would be glad to let one of your friends view the car.  The car is located in Sterling Heights. Please let me know.
Thanks."
I'm not a buyer.  Maybe one of you are.
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Posted 2009-01-07 11:41 PM (#158184 - in reply to #144239)
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$23K?

Right - then, add on what it'll cost to put her right again.....
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True. it won't be cheap to put that Regal back to the way most of us would want to see - that is either original or spruced up with factory goodies. even the paint is expensive. My buddy researched the paint extensively and we finally bought it from TCP Global in san Diego. We thought two gallons would easily do our two cars. Surprise the eggshell doesn't cover well and required several coats. But when finished the Frostbite car might look as good my buddy's. The body man that did this work is also doing my car. You'll also note in the rear shot that his car had the license plate escutcheon but not the stainless insert. I have only the stainless insert. Enjoy the pix.



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Posted 2009-01-12 1:21 PM (#158651 - in reply to #158288)
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Great photos, Joe. I wonder how the paint company matched that copper metallic spot on? In one of the earlier posts, we talked about the pait codes for copper metallic - but they are hard to find. None of the paint chip charts even show it. It is good to know that someone still knows how to make it - it looks like you have to pay a pretty penny for it though!

So that one belongs to another friend? You know all the right people! How many Regals can you account for?

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Posted 2009-01-12 6:41 PM (#158694 - in reply to #144239)
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This company was the only one that said they formulated their paint from original manufacturer's codes, no paint chip needed and they guaranteed satisfaction. Noe of the major paint manufacturers would do that. Many wanted to substitute a modern color that they had the formula for, saying it was close enough. Close wasn't good enough for my buddy. I probably would have settled for something more readily available. I don't know if I know the "right" people but I seem to know a bunch infected with the same love of Regal Lancers. With the pictures of other current owners on this thread that I didn't know about (thanks everyone for posting those and growing the list that I keep) I can account for 16. I knew of others years past but don't want to count those or the ones that were located in salvage yards. Those may be the same as ones in current owners hands or they may be gone (shudder). For instance, Moper Mel sold a restored one back in the early 90's. That car (colors ASA) may be already counted. Based on the way they keep popping up, I'd say there are 3 or 4 times as many as we think there are.
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Posted 2009-01-12 7:07 PM (#158701 - in reply to #144239)
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I agree, Joe; there's probably another 8 or so Regals out-there, in this country, that haven't been publically revealed.

Recall that original/unrestored 1960 NY'er convertible, which someone recently posted, on one of these here boards.

If the owner of that Regal, up-above here, wants to restore the car, properly, he should remove the front suspension
componentry and have the pieces be powder-coated in "bare-metal" finish.

The floor pans (if this car is NOT factory-undercoated) should have OEM over-spray appear/applied at right-angles to the
chassis, as the gray primer/sealer was not masked-off when the body color(s) was/were applied.

If the car was OEM undercoated, the undercoating was applied over the over-spray, hiding its appearance.

Looks like there's undercoating showing, on the fender wells.






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Posted 2009-01-13 3:15 PM (#158805 - in reply to #158694)
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SXS = eggshell car with bronze fins, roof, and stripe
XSX = bronze car with eggshell fins, roof, and stripe
SAS = black car with bronze fins, roof, and stripe
ASA = bronze car with black fins, roof, and stripe

On this thread, most of the cars seen are SXS - including the Ruffalo/BJ car, where I shot a picture of the data trim plate. XSX are Joe's and Nick's. True SAS are rare, but Mel restored one (Joe's last thread). ASA is rare too: Richards/Massachusetts Regal. By rare, I mean surviving examples - I could only assume an even distribution of colors among the 1,163 produced - about 290 of each scheme.
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Posted 2009-01-13 6:18 PM (#158835 - in reply to #144239)
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..How about a Regal Lancer STATION WAGON?
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Posted 2009-01-13 8:14 PM (#158855 - in reply to #144239)
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Wouldn't that be a Regal Sierra?
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Posted 2009-01-14 2:49 PM (#158949 - in reply to #158855)
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I can't imagine how the side trim would fit on a four-door Sierra - it might have to be a REGAL SUBURBAN! Maybe some one out there can photoshop one for us?
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Posted 2009-01-14 9:18 PM (#158992 - in reply to #158949)
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A Regal Surban (that's the 2-dor wagon) would WORK!

Maybe "Frostbite" could be sacrificed to create a Regal Suburban.....

I was being facetious, but now: hmmmmmmm?





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Posted 2009-01-15 11:06 AM (#159044 - in reply to #158992)
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Of all the things done to the Frostbite, that would be the straw that broke the camel's back! Unfortunately, the Suburbans are equally rare. It would be a tragedy on both ends.

The more I look at the Frostbite, the more I like it. I know folks have been very critical of it, but it grows on me. I think my initial estimation of a sale price at $15K might have been too harsh. I think it might be a good deal at $18K. I would still un-pimp the interior and put some proper white shoes on it.
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Posted 2009-01-15 7:00 PM (#159098 - in reply to #144239)
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Mike, go read Brent's comment, about the "all's-fair" in putting re-popped Fuelie-emblems on a car.

What's so different, or wrong, about building a Regal Lancer convertible, or wagon?---(EVERYTHING, right)?






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Posted 2009-01-16 3:49 PM (#159209 - in reply to #159098)
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Nothing, if you're using reproduction parts and not trying to pass it off. That's really got you ticked doesn't it Neil!
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Posted 2009-01-16 6:04 PM (#159228 - in reply to #159209)
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The problem with "clones" is not so much with the car, while still owned by the 'creator', but with its claimed provenance
by subsquent owners, and/or from it becoming a "legitimate" fake, and/or from its diminishing the value of real car models.

Strangely, the creators of the varying-extents-of-clones take a different viewpoint regarding the legitimacy of what they are
doing, and whether their car is "now" a D500, a V800 Plymouth, Super D500, or Fury, or 300, or fuel-injected whatever....merely
because of what THEY have done to their car.

Of course, there are no laws proscribing what you/I can do with our cars, but, there ARE laws concerning the mis-representation
of an object as being "legitimate", in order to increase its sale-value.

Hmmm: CLONED artwork!

ACTUALLY, there is such a thing; the copying-artist merely signs his OWN name to the canvass, or to the 'piece'.






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Posted 2009-01-27 8:21 PM (#160686 - in reply to #144239)
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It's back on eBay again:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1958-Dodge-Regal-Lancer-RARE-Only-11...
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Posted 2009-01-28 12:08 AM (#160726 - in reply to #160686)
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Thanks, Matt! The Frostbite deserves to be watched. Is it growing on anyone else? I think Jim could do a much better sales pitch with this car and probably get pretty close to what he wants. And, my goodness, it was 1,163 - no need to round it down or round it at all. Alas, Jim would have been better to point them here - wikipedia got us this time!
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Posted 2009-01-28 5:09 PM (#160835 - in reply to #144239)
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I'm lazy: what has been the max-bid on Frostbite, previously?

The seller should be willing to deal on its sale, in THIS economy; he must need the money, over the possession,
of this car!






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Posted 2009-01-28 5:30 PM (#160837 - in reply to #160835)
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I'm lazy: what has been the max-bid on Frostbite, previously?

The seller should be willing to deal on its sale, in THIS economy; he must need the money, over the possession,
of this car!








The Last 2 times was $12,050 and $12,700 the Latter.

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Posted 2009-01-28 9:05 PM (#160893 - in reply to #144239)
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...doesn't he get the idea?

How about a B-I-N price of $14K?

For that price, I'd be tempted (but, not too much; cash-is-King, now)

This would be a HELL of a nice car to buy and to preserve (until the money starts flowing, again).

OMG: two posts away from 5,000 posts.....





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Posted 2009-02-02 8:29 PM (#161501 - in reply to #144239)
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Ok; I just sent Clive some "Dodge Reporter" (in-house factory-dealership glossy monthly newspaper-) photos, which show
Regal Lancers on display.

BUMMERLY, I could not find the official Regal Lancer release-date in them; even the R.L. PRESS KIT that I have does not mention any Release Date.

A clue, however, will be the photo caption that says : "...This Custom Royal (not correctly identified, even, in-house !) has been on display in the Utica NY railroad station since the first of the year. ..."

Another Release-Date clue is found on the Regal Lancer "Announcement" fold-out brochure, which has
an issue date of 1/58.

It, and the other Regals appearing in the Dodge Reporter, are the gold-body, with white trim----apparently this scheme may have been the preferred scheme (or not; maybe they just happened to be on-hand, then, or, they were the first colors produced).

Unfortunately, there is no mention of any display of a Regal Lancer in the Florida area, in the Dodge Reporters.

But, their introduction appears to have been on or around 1/1/58 .

Another interesting factoid, from the Press Kit, is that "officially" (when the Press Kit's information was
being printed-up), the Fuel Injection D500 engine may still have been technically available, or else, the
factory just wanted to add on a few more words, about the optional performance engines.

If you'll recall, at least one 1960 4-speed 300 was built, due to the factory's advertising that it WAS
available, and the unhappy prospective buyer threatened to sue, if he was not permitted to BUY one !!


Too bad such a dedicated Fuelie-loving 58 Dodge owner didn't exist.









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Posted 2009-02-03 2:11 PM (#161578 - in reply to #161501)
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Ok; I just sent Clive some "Dodge Reporter" (in-house factory-dealership glossy monthly newspaper-) photos, which show
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Posted 2009-02-03 5:31 PM (#161610 - in reply to #161578)
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In that last pic, above here: the rear seat confirms that this car is a Regal; the second color is white, so, the
main body color must be bronze (again).

I think that these are different cars, but 'they' are all bronze, with white trim.

Dodge may have thought that this scheme was the most colorful, and/or dramatic.

Also, note the Press Kit's referral to the availability of the Fuelie engine (in very-late 1957).

And, for documentary-purposes; with 2 hours left to go, Frostbite has received a high-bid
of $11,000.00 (Reserve not Met).






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Posted 2009-02-03 10:58 PM (#161677 - in reply to #144239)
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Neil,
Interesting that many of the early Regals and those used in promotion were painted XSX. The original owner of my car was from the Albany NY area. I wonder if it's possible that my car was used for showroom or display purposes?
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Posted 2009-02-04 2:39 PM (#161743 - in reply to #161677)
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Great photos, Neil! I have often heard the Regal referred to as a sub-set of the Custom Royal model. The Collectible Automobile article referred to it that way.

You're right, Joe. As I looked at those photos, I wondered "where are they now?" Most likely, they have perished, but you never know...
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Posted 2009-02-04 5:09 PM (#161770 - in reply to #144239)
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JOE: lol: how far is Utica from Albany?

You never know; that might be your car; it's got clear glass, though, and it may have dual rear antennae on it.
It also looks to have OEM (probably) undercoating on it.

A lot (vast majority) of the Regals have passed on, but there statistically seems to have be a large number which
have survived----how many "Frostbites" are still out-there????


LOL: notice the typo, in the description of the Regal's "Ram Fire" D500 engine?







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Posted 2009-02-05 7:41 PM (#161959 - in reply to #144239)
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I just sent Clive some interesting mini-articles, from the 3/58 MoTor Trend.

In the "Bucket Seats, Bronze Tone" article, it states that the ONLY color combinations was/were the BRONZE body
with either white, or black, trim.

I gotta go back and re-read the Press Release, to see if it mentions the FOUR color combinations.

If so, then the MT articles were apparently written prior to the issuance of the Press Kit.

If the earliest models WERE only bronze-bodies, that would explain the absense of the white and the black bodied models,
until sometime after early-January, 1958---and maybe until as late as March, 1958?







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Posted 2009-02-05 8:07 PM (#161964 - in reply to #144239)
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Frostbite just SOLD for $15,000.00

That's a VERY fair price for it.

Hope that it gets properly restored.





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d500neil - 2009-02-06 12:41 AM

I just sent Clive some interesting mini-articles, from the 3/58 MoTor Trend.

In the "Bucket Seats, Bronze Tone" article, it states that the ONLY color combinations was/were the BRONZE body
with either white, or black, trim.

I gotta go back and re-read the Press Release, to see if it mentions the FOUR color combinations.

If so, then the MT articles were apparently written prior to the issuance of the Press Kit.

If the earliest models WERE only bronze-bodies, that would explain the absense of the white and the black bodied models,
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Posted 2009-02-06 4:15 PM (#162043 - in reply to #144239)
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I just sent Clive a pic of a page from the Regal's Press Kit's Press Release (undated, drat) , which confirms the existence of four exterior color schemes.

A CAREFUL reading of the Press Release confirms that, Apparently, MT may have written its mini-articles BEFORE the Press kit was produced, because MT only specifically mentions the bronze-body motifs, and not the white & the black body motifs.

You can't get a "four-way" color combination using just the bronze-body motif.

There WERE four separate paint schemes involved. I wonder if MT mis-read the Press Release, or, whether
the Regal lancers were, indeed, originally designed to have only the BRONZE body schemes, so that MT
merely 'correctly' quoted the initial production information which had been given to them.

Neat, huh?

The white & black bodies might have been after-thoughts/additions to the original marketing plan.....

Dammn, that was QUICK, Clive!

So, the Press Release states that the Regals were introduced at the 1958 Chicago Automobile Show.

I've just written to the Chicago Sun Times archives, asking for those dates.....














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Posted 2009-02-06 6:55 PM (#162077 - in reply to #162043)
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Ooo! "white-gloved hot rodder" I love it
Makes the "banker' hot rod" a little passe!
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Found some info on the 1958 Chicago Auto Show. From the photos it was Jan 4-12 and Dodge had a central display location. Does the Dodge display show a Regal Lancer? I can't tell.



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Posted 2009-02-07 1:10 PM (#162141 - in reply to #144239)
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Well, there WE go:

the 1958 Dodge Regal Lancer was introduced to the public at the Chicago Automobile Show
on SATURDAY January 4, 1958.

That show ran from 1/4/58 - 1/12/58 inside the International Amphitheater auditorium.






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Posted 2009-02-09 11:31 PM (#162398 - in reply to #162141)
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Tough to tell, Joe. I squinted real hard and all I could see was the pretty lady! It doesn't look like it has that Regal color sweep to me...

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Posted 2009-02-10 12:46 AM (#162409 - in reply to #144239)
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It's too bad they didn't actually make those true bucket seats in the Regals, but I guess they were already engineering the 1959 type swivel seats. In retrospect, those swivel seats could have been made a whole lot more bucket like, with contoured bolsters etc. The first true Mopar bucket seats were on the 1960 300-F. Also I've always wondered, why the 1959 Custom Royal upholstery was not near as nice as the upholstery on the 1957 & 1958 Custom Royals, never mind the Regals. The 59's didn't have the plush looking horizontal pleats in the cloth sections that both 57's and 58s had.
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I've always wondered, why the 1959 Custom Royal upholstery was not near as nice as the upholstery on the 1957 & 1958 Custom Royals, never mind the Regals. The 59's didn't have the plush looking horizontal pleats in the cloth sections that both 57's and 58s had.


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To match all the other great things they screwed up for 59 !

Better get my "flame" goggles on !
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Posted 2009-02-10 3:47 PM (#162479 - in reply to #144239)
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I think that the 59 Doggies had flattie upholstery, to allow for easy ingress/egress, and, maybe, to avoid
the wear and tear that the tucked/rolled upholstery received.

BTW, the 58 Regal Lancer semi-bucket bench seat was actually depicted in the early 1957 advertising, which showed
the long-low profile shot of that red/white CRL 2-dr HT, with 4-5 "detail" illustrations, which appeared to be
'hanging' on a wall, above and behind the car .





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Posted 2009-03-25 7:07 PM (#168358 - in reply to #162479)
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Our friend is selling his eggshell gem to keep the black beauty!

http://boston.craigslist.org/bmw/cto/1090850587.html

 $45,000 for a fully restored example seems like a reasonable price to get into the game!

For sale is a 1958 Dodge Custom Royal Regal Lancer two door hardtop. (508-317-7092) This car was restored about 4 years ago by a previous owner. It has a white body with bronze roof, trunk, and side trim. The engine is a 350 cu. in. big block with 4 bbl. carburetor. The transmission is a 3 speed pushbutton torqueflite automatic. The car sports a beautiful reproduction interior just like the original. Runs and drives very nicely. This is a one year only model with very low production (1,163 units). Asking $45,000 possible partial MoPar trades. Call 508-317-7092




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Posted 2009-03-25 7:10 PM (#168359 - in reply to #168358)
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I don't think the white interior "stripe" is correct, but it looks pretty good.
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Posted 2009-03-25 7:31 PM (#168361 - in reply to #144239)
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Yeah, the seat vinyl can be replaced.

Depending on the physical condition of the car, $45K might be a reasonable auction value for it, so, the seller
might be amenable to negotiating a 10% price deduction on it, to reflect the net-come that he might receive for
the car, at an auction.

And, yeah, the prospective auction buyer would 'save' his own buyer's commission, too, on this private sale.






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Lancer Mike
Posted 2009-03-26 12:11 AM (#168379 - in reply to #168361)
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If you compare this car to the Frostbite, you could easily spend $30,000 on the Frostbite to get it close to this condition, but it would also cost you potentially years of effort and having the car off the road. With this one, sure you spend the $30,000 up front, but you are ready to enjoy right away. Sometimes, it makes sense to buy the restored car!
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Posted 2009-03-26 12:14 AM (#168380 - in reply to #168379)
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of the two east coast cars that I remember, this appears to be the better of the two. The other had the front bumper spuds, but it also had some after-market looking chrome wheel covers that made me very suspicious.
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Posted 2009-03-26 4:23 PM (#168445 - in reply to #144239)
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I agree with you, Mike; the current question is: WHO has $30K+ , today, to spend on buying this car, outside of
an auction venue?

Wow....talking about the state of the Economy: over on the GEN DISC Board, on that Las Vegas MoPar show
photos-thread, there's a sweet looking 300K that has an ASKING price of $13.9K .






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Posted 2009-03-27 12:17 AM (#168497 - in reply to #168445)
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All things being Forward Look, .... there is no such thing as a "sweet looking 300K".
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Posted 2009-03-27 2:25 PM (#168528 - in reply to #144239)
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.....howabout : "bitter-sweet looking 300K " ?






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Posted 2009-03-27 4:15 PM (#168542 - in reply to #168528)
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Are you sure that isn't 300,000 miles? They did have some solid looking deals in Las Vegas...A K for that price in that conditions seems like a very good deal indeed.
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Posted 2009-03-27 7:57 PM (#168561 - in reply to #144239)
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..welcome to the New Economy.
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Posted 2009-04-22 1:46 PM (#171434 - in reply to #168561)
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I friend of mine just sent me some very interesting pictures from the Richard Carpenter collection...

I don't know Richard Carpenter nor have I ever met him. I just know of him as a singer and a car collector. From what I know of him as a car collector, he is perhaps one of the best friends that the Forward Look era has ever had. It would be nice if he was a member of the website.

I don't think that I have ever seen this particular car before. If it is a true black over copper, it is the only one that I know of - and a D-500 to boot???



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Posted 2009-04-22 5:16 PM (#171462 - in reply to #144239)
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THIS is the first black-over-copper Regal we've accounted for????

NAH; just went back and checked this thread's photos.

However, IF... this car is a real D500, it would appear to be ANOTHER car which we can add to the list
of known (semi-)surviving Regals. How many are we 'up' to, so far?

Wish I had a good contact at the Yesterday Once More place; would love to have a look at the car's P/T plate,
and a peek at the engine compartment.

Looks like the car has a tinted-only windshield; bet that it's aftermarket, and that the car originally had all-clear
glass in it.

Looks like Y-O-M painted the wheels PLY(?-) silver, instead of Dodge eggshell.

I don't have a clue about how/why those fender-top moldings got to be installed, on this car--not Dodge items!

This car has the silver-plated trunk "Dodge" nameplate; some CRL's had 'this' nameplate, and others have the gold-
anodized nameplate. There does not appear to be any pattern/reason for a car to have one, or the other, colored
"Dodge" nameplate on it.

Also note that this is one of those "coral" grille emblem cars, too, and, that this car has the "Bumper Group" option
(which happens to be the only-available [besides-Super-D] option which Aivar Lejin's Regal does NOT have on it).







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Lancer Mike
Posted 2009-04-22 6:48 PM (#171473 - in reply to #171462)
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We would have to see the cowl tag, but this may be the only one we know of that actually came that way from the factory(?). I verified that the Ruffalo / BJ car was originally copper over white. I think the two east coast cars were copper over white originally too(?) - don't know of any other black over coppers out there.

Those are '57 DeSoto fender ornaments. Nice looking, but too busy on this car. I had a fender for a '58 Dodge Spring Special that had one of those things mounted on it.
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Posted 2009-04-22 6:53 PM (#171475 - in reply to #171473)
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I don't know if it is a trick of the light, but the front hood letters appear to be chrome plated pot metal too. No silver annodized spears on this one! This may have gone through a pretty extensive restoration. I would love to get a look at the headliner / interior / engine bay.
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Posted 2009-04-22 8:12 PM (#171503 - in reply to #144239)
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OK; but: there 'is' (hopefully-still-existing) that black-over-copper car, sitting in the field, in one of my earlier-
posted photos.

57 Soto ornaments, huh?---looks like those guys might already have been retro-fitted onto the car, when Y-O-M bought it?


Y-O-M didn't (bother to) research the wheel color, either-----if so, this implies that this car may have been in fairly good
physical condition when Y-O-M got it, as they might just have restored it, "as-purchased-by-them", without really having to do
any serious research on its finishing.

To avoid future embarrassment, if anyone has a personal reference there, he might tell them about the DeSoto fender trim on
it, so that Y-O-M might consider removing them, filling the holes, and touching-up the paintwork, before the side trim is installed.






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Posted 2009-04-22 11:57 PM (#171534 - in reply to #171503)
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We may be looking at your field car...I recall that it had a chrome plated pot metal Dodge script on the trunk. I don't know if the "Regal Lancer" script came in either chrome plated pot metal or gold-annodized aluminum, but I would think that you would want all of the script and block letters to match (as opposed to mismatch).

YOM would do well to read this thread top to bottom and make fast friends with Aivar, Pat, Tom, Joe, and you too - Neil! We may be the only ones still reading this thread!
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Posted 2009-04-23 12:22 AM (#171536 - in reply to #171534)
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The Regal once residing at Al's Auto Wrecking was black over bronze like this. I *think* I took the data tag and have it in my "pile"(?).

It only seems right that if a whole line of DeSotos got a Dodge nose stuck on them, that a Dodge got at least some DeSoto nose chrome stuck on its snoot too, don'tcha think ?
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Posted 2009-04-23 10:52 AM (#171579 - in reply to #171536)
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Posted 2009-04-23 12:13 PM (#171591 - in reply to #144239)
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Neil - if you're referring to the "eyebrow" fender moldings, they are not '57 as mentioned, but found only on '58 FireSweep and '58 Chrysler Windsor - I just got a nice AZ pair for my 'Sweep from Don Petty, and they came off a '58 Windsor, have the same part # on them and also in my 55-59 factory parts book.

Apparently they fit on '58 Dodge too in place of the narrower ones that were standard. Makes sense since the Sweep and I guess the Windsor also were made in the LA or Detroit Dodge plants.
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Posted 2009-04-23 2:56 PM (#171602 - in reply to #171591)
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Hi, Roger:

We were talking about the chrome ornaments just aft of the eyebrow trim, astride the top of the fender. I think those are '57 DeSoto issue...
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Posted 2009-04-23 4:06 PM (#171609 - in reply to #144239)
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Gotcha, yep I do believe those are '57... we used to call them "aimers" back in the day! lotsa chrome on that YOM car - I'd hate to pay for all that re-plating!!
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Posted 2009-04-23 9:12 PM (#171656 - in reply to #171609)
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Beautiful car. Originally from Massachusetts. Belonged to a friend of mine. Original colors and paint scheme. Mint original interior. Fender ornaments were on car when it was new. Saw photo from that time to confirm that. Holes on fender tops appeared to be factory made and not hand drilled. Car has a speedminder on the speedometer which was released in late 58. Only time I ever saw one on a 58. Often seen on 59 Dodges. Saw some factory literature advertising it once. Looks like they are freshening it up, since it was restored 15 yrs ago.
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Posted 2009-04-23 9:48 PM (#171658 - in reply to #171656)
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Hey, Jim; I don't know from-where the Dodge Main would have got those Soto ornaments, since they are 1957-items
and, of course, this car might be of late-58 production.

It also seems unlikely that Chubbie would add-on Fart-parts, which is kind-of what a putting-on-of-year-old-different-brand
parts would have been like, back then.

I know: never-say-never, but, this provenance, of 1957 Soto trim, "OEM-installed" on a top-of-the-line 1958 Dodge stretches
my credulity.

At least, the Speedminder APPEARED on factory literature....


I suppose that this car also came with its silver wheels, OEM, too ?

So, is this a car 'we' haven't previously accounted-for????







Love-ya, man, but "show me da MONEY", on this car's ornamentation.






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Posted 2009-04-24 7:11 AM (#171689 - in reply to #171658)
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I know what you mean.... When Brian was restoring the car, he decided to leave them because of the factory appearing holes in the top of the fenders,and an old picture from the early 60's that showed them. The original owner owned a restaraunt/bar and worked 6 days/wk 12 hr days. He was Not mechanically inclined as I understand. No aftermarket items were on the car. The car was sold at a Dodge dealer that didn't sell Desoto. The car only had 32000 miles on it. The orig owner lived only 1/2 mile from his business and never used it much. So based on those facts Brian just decided to leave them on. Car was taken apart for restoration when he discovered it. Unfortunately build sheet was not in the car.
I'll check with with Brian on the wheel color. I don't remember.....
I don't think this one was ever counted.

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Posted 2009-04-24 10:16 AM (#171701 - in reply to #171658)
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..... a top-of-the-line 1958 Dodge stretches
my credulity.



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Posted 2009-04-24 4:34 PM (#171739 - in reply to #144239)
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..YEAHBUTT; I initially typed "credibility" !----had to go change that wording, pronto!!---as Sigmund's daughter once
said : "is my Freudian slip showing"?

Jim: does your friend have any vintage photos of this car, with its 1957 DeSoto fender trim installed on it?

Even so, the best 'explanation' for their appearance on the car may be related to a dealership add-on (unless the
Broadcast Sheet &/or the IBM card might have some explanation for their OEM existence.....)

You've heard of the Stockholm Syndrome, or Munchausen by Proxy, Imperial Russian family-survivors, and/or other associative
mental disorders? Unfortunately we (or EYE, anyway!) have a NEW automotive-related term, for a completely unique auto
provenance which is being claimed, but which is not, can not, or, has-not-YET been necessarily proven to be Original Equipment Manufacturer :



A GARLICK-mobile, or a GARLICK-option, or, just simply a "Garlick".....for a (Car-)Body Dysmorphic Disorder.






You heard it here, first.










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Posted 2009-04-24 5:54 PM (#171748 - in reply to #171689)
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When Brian was restoring the car, he decided to leave them because of the factory appearing holes in the top of the fenders,and an old picture from the early 60's that showed them.


There is something to that. I was thinking of the "Frostbite" - the Regal that started this thread - and how the customization is part of the car in some way. I don't know about the seats, but the paint job - well, maybe it is part of the history of the particular car.

Curious that I have a '58 Dodge fender with the same ornament!
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Posted 2009-04-24 8:08 PM (#171754 - in reply to #171748)
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Now we may be getting somewhere.

Can you post a pic of your 1958 (?) Dodge fender, with the 1957 DeSoto(?) ornament installed on it?

Better-still, can you remove that ornament and provide its part number???

BTW, how do you know that your fender is from a 1958 Dodge, and not from a 1958 Firesweep, e.g. ?

I presume that the fender has dual headlamps, which would, at least, confirm its 1958-status.











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Posted 2009-04-24 8:59 PM (#171755 - in reply to #171754)
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I'll tell you, I remember looking at those holes in the top fenders. They looked punched at the factory. They were all lined up perfectly, no burrs on either side. Really looked factory made..... Weren't 57-58 Desoto firesweeps assembled at the Dodge plant? I think they were.
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For what it's worth. I spent some up close and personal time with this car right after it was restored and took a bunch of pictures to use as reference when I got around to doing my car. Brian went to great lengths to make this car as correct as possible. Many cars don't look as good in person as they do in pictures. This one looks better. This car is probably the finest restored Regal in existence which is why it resides in Carpenter's collection now. I have to agree with Jim that as improbable as it might seem to have the Desoto trim on the fenders they seem to have been delivered that way. Remember that when it comes to Regal Lancer fenders they didn't use Coronet or Royal fenders that have the prepunched holes for the side trim because the trim was mounted higher and was double strips. Blank Dodge fenders without any script or trim holes are needed. The trim holes were hand drilled all the way down the side of the car. Could it be that when this car car came down the line no blank Dodge fenders were left due to the late production? Were Desoto fenders sourced and the top trim mounted to fill the prepunched holes on top? Stranger things have happened at Ma Mopar. This is probably the same car shown in another picture earlier in this thread with a second Regal with the same colors. There are 3 or 4 other Regals with the same ASA colors but I can't say if those are correct or a repaint like the Ruffalo car. I have it counted already in my list of 18 known.
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Posted 2009-04-24 11:37 PM (#171764 - in reply to #171755)
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Correct you are, Jim. I'll get the fender down from the rafters tomorrow and post a picture. The fender is unmistakeably a '58 Dodge fender. It still had the Spring Special trim on it! Dual head lights and Dodge eyebrow moulding. It also had the saddle two-tone and the tell-tale Dodge bumper and grille clips.

Recognizing the emblem as a '57 DeSoto, I sold it on eBay to a fellow in Florida. I think I wrote down the part number in my eBay description - I'll see if I can look that up - but that was several years ago now.

Perhaps they had a few '57 DeSoto fender ornaments sitting around at the factory and gussied up a few Dodges to help move them off the lots? It is a very strange coincidence! Until I saw this Regal, I thought nothing of it - just that somebody put a DeSoto ornament on that particular Dodge.

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Posted 2009-04-25 12:37 AM (#171771 - in reply to #168542)
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Let's review ....

The 57 DeSoto fender ornaments were are referring to are big body only ..... standard equipment on Fireflite and Adventurer, ... extra cost optional on Firedome. My saleman's lit says "N/A" for these on Firesweep. The part was radically changed for 58 and again was not available on Firesweep.

The Firesweep was built alongside Dodges, but the big body DeSotos were built miles away at the DeSoto plant.

These ornaments, IF they were put on Dodges of any sort, were very deliberately procured and installed. They were year-old parts that should not have been at a Dodge plant. Two real strong reasons to suggest this was not some mistake or coincidence.

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Posted 2009-04-25 12:47 AM (#171772 - in reply to #171771)
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A couple of additional facts about this car:

Yes, the scheme is correct.

No, the car is not a factory D500. That was added recently. The power windows were also added recently.  

This was a really nice restoration that Richard recently had repainted. The original dealer plate, which was on the trunk, was removed and the holes were filled. Apparently, he's not into these. 

I'm of the opinion that the Desoto mouldings were added later. I can create factory looking holes by removing the burrs with a wire wheel on a high speed grinder.

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Posted 2009-04-25 5:17 PM (#171822 - in reply to #171772)
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Ok! You guys convinced me. I didn't really want to get that fender down from the rafters anyway. Just a coincidence - case closed.
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Posted 2009-04-25 7:52 PM (#171831 - in reply to #144239)
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Well....not REALLY, Mike; let's see whatcha GOT, anyway!

The molding's installation shadow-impression should be of some interest, too, along with the appearance of the mounting holes.

Don't fink out on us, now; git er down, from your rafters.

....the real-story about how/when/why the 57 Fireflite fender moldings got installed on this 58 Regal would be neat to know.

I'd sure like to see the car's P/T plate, even tho it's not an OEM D500, or had power windows. Does it have a power seat?

Now, I gotta go back and try to see the Y-O-M car, back-earlier in this thread, as has just now been mentioned.

And, Joe, the "Stranger-things-have-happened" arguments have been made regarding Mr. Garlick's creations,
and Hemi engines having been installed in Plymouths, and Hemi engines having been installed in 1958 Dodges.

The proof is in the Corporate 'pudding' (build records), and we are all very much better-off for those
records still being available.

Since someone has 'created' a ("Super", probably) D500, with power windows, out of this car, Mr. Carpenter
would probably not be concerned about removing the 57 DeSoto moldings from it, or, obtaining its Build
Record.

But, I would be willing to bet that those fender moldings will get to be 'Garlicked' into the alleged OEM
build history/story on this car!!!












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Posted 2009-04-25 8:12 PM (#171835 - in reply to #144239)
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..And there's 'our' car, at the bottom of page 2 of this thread .

And, Ron; I personally regret that Y-O-M removed the Dealer-nameplate from this car's trunk.

Right after I bought my car, and was finally getting to drive it, around Toledo in 6/81, where it had been
stored, for my eventual pick- up, for 7 months(!) in a private garage near my parents' house, an old
family friend told me :"The first thing that I'd do with 'it' is get rid of THAT thing" (The Ben Medow
South Bend, IN dealership-potmetal nameplate).

In fact, I repaired the slightly-pitted nameplate, and painted it gold.

To me, that nameplate serves as a sort of 'family name' to the car, and I'm rather proud of the fact that that
car SURVIVED a rust-belt Indiana OEM-existence.

To bad Mr. Carpenter doesn't appreciate the car's history.






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I think dealer tags are one of the coolest details one can be lucky enough to have on their car. Our wagon wears its original tag for Eddie's Garage, Deadwood, South Dakota.
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Posted 2009-04-27 6:58 PM (#172030 - in reply to #144239)
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One of the reasons (I think) for the popularity of tattoos is that they express individuality.

That's what the dealership nameplates do, too, imho.

They also serve as a sort of personal Family-name, for the car, and give it a little bit of objective history, and back-story.

Mr. Carpenter apparently felt compelled to remove his Regal's family-tree information, but to keep the 1957 DeSoto's fender trim
installed on it.




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Posted 2009-04-30 4:53 PM (#172350 - in reply to #172030)
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I wonder if he made it a Super D-500? That is a strange thing to add the power windows, but it probably makes it easier to enjoy. The car looked mighty nice to start off with!
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I would rate power windows as one of my favorite options.
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Posted 2009-05-01 4:16 AM (#172420 - in reply to #171822)
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Lancer Mike - 2009-04-25 5:17 PM

Ok! You guys convinced me. I didn't really want to get that fender down from the rafters anyway. Just a coincidence - case closed.
You know? If they put 57 Dodge hood ornaments on them, and there have been two examples of Desoto birds on the fenders, yours and the carpenter car, I don't think it is all that far fetched that they may have come that way, I would really like to see your fender.
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Posted 2009-05-01 4:08 PM (#172492 - in reply to #144239)
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[sigh...] I gotta do all the work around here.

The Clivester's off-line, right now, but "all" shall be revealed, in the near future (bowing-and-scraping will be
much appreciated...).

And, NO; y'all just gonna have to wait, for the pics to appear.













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Posted 2009-05-01 4:25 PM (#172494 - in reply to #144239)
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And, be sure to take note of the hood ornament 'info', too.....CLIVE????
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Posted 2009-05-01 5:01 PM (#172499 - in reply to #172494)
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Ok! Ok! I may have the chutzpah to get that dang thing down this weekend. I have a hood up in the rafters too - there is no way I would get that dang hood down - I remember when I put that thing up there - it seemed as though it was twice as heavy as the fenders!

If I get that fender down - I want some good to come of it...after some long and painful discussion and plenty of name calling, we need to hereineverafter agree that '57 De Soto fender ornaments were a legitimate factory option for Spring edition 1958 Dodges!

Edited by Lancer Mike 2009-05-01 5:04 PM
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Posted 2009-05-01 5:15 PM (#172503 - in reply to #172499)
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...DON'T be in any hurry......and the S.-S.'s are a different thread; let's keep THIS one 'pure'.












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Posted 2009-05-01 7:02 PM (#172516 - in reply to #172503)
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I always considered the Regal to be a variant of the spring special. Even though it is not an element of the official spring special literature, its purpose and timing was the same. The Regal is never identified as its own model, rather it is a late-model (i.e. spring) trim option for the Custom Royal; specifically designed to pick up sales after a winter's discontent.

You are right though, let us not kick the barn door open too wide lest all the horses run out.

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Posted 2009-05-01 7:30 PM (#172518 - in reply to #172516)
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Mike, the Regal was introduced at the Chicago Auto Show, around 1/58 , remember, from an earlier posting somewhere
around/above here?

That AIN'T a late-model intro, which, obviously preceded the "Spring Special" models.

Let's see what ol' Dogeroo had to say about this 'late-model Spring Special offshoot', in its Press Kit introduction :

" Newest addition to the Dodge Division's 1958 Line is the 'Regal Lancer', a limited production two-door hardtop introduced
at the Chicago Auto Show..."

The Press Release goes on to document all of the unique features, colors and trim on the car, NONE of which were shared by
the later-introduced Spring Specials, except, for the (Custom Royal's) grille emblem.




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Posted 2009-05-01 11:59 PM (#172537 - in reply to #172518)
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Dang it, now the horses are out of the barn! Ok, I remember the January intro - when was the first spring special produced? They must have been near the same time, especially since they share that front badge. Like I said, I know they are not one-in-the-same, but they did share the same purpose - and I think the timing of the two was pretty close?
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Posted 2009-05-02 8:42 PM (#172602 - in reply to #144239)
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I'm pretty sure that the S.-S.'s were introduced around March.

That 'grille' emblem dates back to the 1957 CR 4-dr sedans, and CS wagons, where it was installed on the fins.

The design of that emblem became the 1958 logo, for Dodge, and was liberally installed on various Custom Royal/Sierra
models.

it didn't 'just' appear, for the first time, on the Regals, altho they were painted in coral-color for the first time (on some, but
not all Regals).

I suppose that's our NEXT question: why did some Regals get coral-colored grille emblems, and the majority(?--seemingly)
get the typical black-painted emblems?






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[sigh...] I gotta do all the work around here.

The Clivester's off-line, right now, but "all" shall be revealed, in the near future (bowing-and-scraping will be
much appreciated...).

And, NO; y'all just gonna have to wait, for the pics to appear.



Anybody see # 1624 955 on it ? .....Buehler ?






SORRY,, Been Away for a few Nights..


OK: the first pic shows the Bible (55-58 Parts book) with the
illustration of the 1957 Soto's trim, with the upper molding
identified as being found in Section 12-15-21.

Sec. 12-15-21 is quite large, but the 1957 Soto fender upper-molding is
identified as being 1624 955 , for the big-dog
Adventurer - Fireflite (S26) , and the Firedome (S25) models.

The next photo (love to show it!) is my Regal Lancer Press Kit ,
with additional photos of one of its enclosures which
confirms ALL of the unique Regal parts(numbers).....

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Posted 2009-05-03 9:13 PM (#172742 - in reply to #144239)
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And, as Clive so eloquently posted, above, in case anyone overlooked it : "Anyone see P/N 1624 955 on the Regal's listed
unique parts, above"?

Anyone, Buehler?

So, Mr. Carpenter removed the OE-dealership trunk nameplate, but kept the (almost-certainly; why would the dealership bother
to do it? ) "post-factory" 1957 DeSoto fender ornaments, and added-on the D500 emblem/carb(s), and added on power windows, to a car which is only going to reside in his museum.

The car was last registered to drive, in CA, when the green-colored license plate sticker was in effect.

Altho the year-date of that sticker is printed on it, neither my local CHP nor DMV office could tell me, definitively, when a
green-sticker was last utilized for registration purposes.

And, OBTW, note that the 1957 Dodge hood ornaments are listed as OEM for use on the 1958 Regals.

However, those ornaments are installed on the 1958 hood, which has much-wider-spaced ornament
drillings, than the "1957" hood (which is otherwize identical to the 58 hood).

Everybody knows that the 1957 & the 1958 trunks are also clearly differentiated, right?











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Posted 2009-05-03 11:59 PM (#172766 - in reply to #144239)
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Posted 2009-05-04 8:43 PM (#172919 - in reply to #144239)
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Actually (duh); I just figured out why Mr. Carpenter removed the trunk's dealership nameplate: in 1958, the "Dodge"
name-script appeared on the passenger's side, leaving only the driver's side, for the dealer's nameplate, OR, for the
D500 emblem to be installed.

Carpenter really had no choice, but to lose the dealership, when he 'created' the D500 model.

In 1957, the 'Dodge' letters appeared spaced-out above the license plate, so that the D500 emblem could be put on the
passenger's side, and the dealership-nameplate could be installed on the driver's side of the trunk.




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Posted 2009-05-04 11:19 PM (#172951 - in reply to #172919)
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I think you are right, Neil. However, my D-500 coupe has the dealer plate on the driver's side. It gets a bit busy-looking, but it can be done!
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Posted 2009-05-05 2:54 PM (#173056 - in reply to #144239)
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Can you PM me a pic of it?

Yeah, having both the dealer's nameplate and the D500 emblem, together, would be busy-looking, but hey......
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Posted 2009-05-05 5:59 PM (#173095 - in reply to #173056)
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Here it is, Neil. You can see little white dots where the dealer plate went. Now that I installed the spring special license plate escutcheon, it is really crowded! I have to find a new location for the dealer plate, but I think it will all fit! Perhaps I can center it between the escutcheon and the D-500 emblem or go below the D-500 emblem.

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Posted 2009-05-05 8:57 PM (#173127 - in reply to #144239)
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Next winter you could send out your D500 emblem, so that someone could apply 24K gold plating to its Knight's head,
to approximate the appearance of the translucent gold lacquer which was OEM-applied to the 'head'.

Doesn't cost very much money, to do, and really brightens-up the emblem.

Where you put the dealer nameplate pretty much depends upon the size and shape of the nameplate.

Down-low, at about the 4:00-5:00 position, relative to the 500 emblem, might look nice, but,
underneath the escutcheon is probably the best place for it.






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Posted 2009-07-15 5:10 PM (#181467 - in reply to #173127)
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I saw this link and unfortunately I do not have any of the pictures, but it references several Regals - including Pat Grant's

http://thegarageblog.com/garage/from-the-savage-speed-garage-58-dodge/#more-4657

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Posted 2009-07-15 5:33 PM (#181469 - in reply to #144239)
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....What a STRANGE website to find, regarding "American" automobiles!

It was nice to see a posting from Bo Malefors, there. He does, indeed, have the remains-of a 58 CRL Super D500
convertible, with dealer-installed(apparently) "Texan" emblems on it.

He also had/has the remains-of another 58 CRL 2-dr HT Super D500, which he doesn't mention, in his post, on that thread.

...getting a little off-thread, discussing Super D500s, here, though.







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Posted 2009-07-16 1:27 AM (#181527 - in reply to #181469)
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Interesting story he had about that Regal getting crushed. Unfortunately, that was probably a more-common-than-not story for the Regal breed! When reading that web page, it occurred to me that there are probably several more Regals out there than the 20+ we counted. I saw an advertisement in Hemming's for one of the Regals recently that claimed there are 12 known survivors. I think we have found more than that without looking too hard.

It was also interesting to see a post from the person who bought the Barrett-Jackson Regal. It seems as though he is interested in finding out more about the car. I wonder if he knows his car is the one featured in the Collectible Automobile article? He must!
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Posted 2009-07-20 11:32 AM (#181987 - in reply to #144239)
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Posted 2009-07-20 11:41 AM (#181988 - in reply to #181987)
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Good eyes, James:

Up for sale is a 1958 Dodge Custom Royal Regal Lancer. This is a two door hardtop model with approximately 102,000 original miles. This is a rare model in that it was only built in 1958 with a total production of only 1,163 units. I have owned three Regal Lancer's in the past and currently have two. I have a black and bronze model that I will be keeping and I have this white and bronze model that I am offering for sale.

I purchased this car last year from Indiana and had it transported back to Massachusetts. I believe it was restored about 4 or 5 years ago. The car has a new interior with factory correct seat upholstery and a reproduction padded vinyl dash. The door panels have been redone as well as the headliner. It looks like the car had replacement rocker panels installed and the trunk floor had areas repaired. The paint on the body shows nicely but there are flaws in the bronze color. I was told that a good buffing would make a great improvement. The tires are new wide whitewalls by B.F. Goodrich. The lancer spinner hubcaps are original and not reproduction. Most of chrome has been replated except parts of the front bumper and the vent window frames. All the glass is in very nice condition. The steering wheel is special to the Regal Lancer and shows some stress lines in the ivory section. The engine appears to be all original with no modifications. The engine is a 350 big block with 4 barrel carburation. The engine runs very well and doesn't smoke. The transmission is the 3 speed torqueflite and it shifts flawlessly. The dual exhaust is relatively new and sounds great. This particular Regal Lancer does't have many options outside the Regal trim package. It has power steering but no power brakes. I do have a power brake setup that can be sold separately. I also have the correct exhaust tips but they not installed on the car.

Here is info on the Regal Lancer model:

Trying to boost sales the Regal Lancer model was added in February of 1958 and was only available as a 2-door hardtop with special exterior colors and full surround side trim. Four color combinations where available; bronze with white trim, bronze with black trim, black with bronze trim, or white with bronze trim. It featured special nameplates (Regal Lancer) on the front fenders and heavy eyebrow trim. Inside, Regal Lancers got their own interior with unique bucket seat styling and door panels featuring molded armrests. A special Acousti-Foam headliner with chrome bows and chrome roof rails was a Regal Lancer exclusive, as was the bronze instrument panel with textured aluminum inserts. The standard engine offered for Regal Lancers was the 350 cubic inch displacement "Super Red Ram" V8. Optional engine choices were the 361 cubic inch displacement "D-500" and "Super D-500" iterations. Only 1,163 were produced during the model run in 1958 and making this one rare automobile. It has been discussed that maybe only 20 - 30 Regal Lancers exist today! A fine example of a bronze and black model sold last year at a Barrett-Jackson auction for $70,000.

If anyone would like to contact me regarding more information on this automobile I can be reached at this phone number: 508-867-3888

Auction info: Please do not bid on this automobile if you have no intentions of owning this car. Ebay bidders with less than 10 feedbacks or negative feedback should email me before placing any bids. I reserve the right to end this auction early since I have also placed an ad in Hemmings Motor News.

The high bidder is requested to send a $2,000 deposit within 48 hours of the end of auction. The car can be stored for a short period as agreed upon by new owner.

Good Luck and please email me if have any questions!





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They couldn't have bbeen more obvious with "power steering" information
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It has some obvious kinks like the headliner and white seat (which might still be right), but this one is very nice! I have no idea what the reserve is. I would guess this is worth quite a bit. It looks as though he has a second one based on the photographs of the literature.
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Posted 2009-07-20 12:09 PM (#181993 - in reply to #181990)
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I wonder if this is the same one that was in Hemmings and on Craigslist recently...
Is it unusual to have the rear bumper guards without the front spuds?

Wow! This fellow owns three Regals! I think the black and bronze is the Richard's Regal discussed earlier.

Edited by Lancer Mike 2009-07-20 4:24 PM
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Posted 2009-07-20 5:18 PM (#182016 - in reply to #144239)
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The front, and/or the rear bumper guards ("vertical bars") were individual optional items on all 58 Dodges---you could get it/
them on a stripper 6-cylinder Club Coupe.

The front and the rear guards were both available as part of the "Bumper Appearance Group", which also included
an aluminum license plate 'insert'.

This car does NOT have that license plate insert, or, the front guards, so, it looks like it merely has the 'individual' option for the rear "vertical bars".

I am 'missing' something, here, though: how does it appear that this seller might own three Regals?

When I saw the pic of the advertising-stuff, above, I assumed (bad) that that pic might have been taken before "THIS" car
got RE-painted.

You're saying that the 'grody' car is another Regal, he owns?






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Posted 2009-07-20 5:59 PM (#182018 - in reply to #182016)
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Ah, you are correct - the description states "I have owned three Regals in the past and currently own two..." I assumed the one in the literature photo was the other.

I believe this is the person who bought the Kansas / Richards Regal D-500 (the only Bronze roof and fins over a Black body shown in this thread) from Colorado and transported it to the east coast.

I put in a bid of $5,000 - but I believe he is looking for $40,000 more to go with it.

Edited by Lancer Mike 2009-07-20 6:02 PM
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Posted 2009-07-20 6:49 PM (#182026 - in reply to #144239)
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The Regals get chromed headliner bows, right?

If so, then this car's eggshell headliner bows could be sold to some deserving soul, and the car's new owner could then buy
MoPar Mel's (proper-) chromed headliner bows, and install them, along with some sort of reasonable-facsimile bronze-
colored vinyl headliner material.

The black vinyl seat middle sections can be installed via any good local auto-upholstery shop.




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I put in a bid of $5,000 - but I believe he is looking for $40,000 more to go with it.


Hmm.. I Bid $10,000...... You may be Correct..
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Posted 2009-07-20 7:01 PM (#182028 - in reply to #182026)
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the piece-de-resistance would be the correct trunk mat! That is all stuff that I could easily live with - unlike a few of the modifications on the Frostbite.
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Posted 2009-07-20 8:29 PM (#182036 - in reply to #182028)
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Yo, Clive; any chance you (and/or the Chuckster, or Mike, here) could hop a plane to middle-of-nowhere U.S., for the Branson
festivities?




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Posted 2009-07-20 9:27 PM (#182046 - in reply to #144239)
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a regal lancer in my back yard!!! act. 55 miles away your in the middle of

the state worc. co. im in somerville next to cambridge middlesex county.
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Posted 2009-07-20 9:29 PM (#182048 - in reply to #144239)
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a regal lancer in my back yard!!! act. 55 miles away your in the middle of

the state west brookfield worc. co. im in somerville next to cambridge middlesex county.
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Posted 2009-07-20 11:28 PM (#182065 - in reply to #182048)
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Be careful, Steve. I saw a De Soto advertised locally and I figured - "well, I might as well go out and take a look - I'll never see another" - now I own it!

Catch me up to speed - what are the Branson festivities???
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Posted 2009-07-20 11:31 PM (#182066 - in reply to #182027)
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Rebels-59 Coronet - 2009-07-20 4:59 PM

Hmm.. I Bid $10,000...... You may be Correct..


Clive, you sneak! There goes my $5,000 Regal Lancer!
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Posted 2009-07-21 5:42 PM (#182149 - in reply to #182066)
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The car being sold on ebay is Brian Huard's car. He also owns the black-over-copper factory D500 Regal mentioned earlier in the thread. He sold his first Regal a couple of years ago to Richard Carpenter.
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Posted 2009-07-22 2:32 AM (#182212 - in reply to #144239)
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brian HUARD!?!?!? THAT WAS MY MOM'S MAIDEN NAME!!!! THERE ARENT THAT MANY HUARDS AROUND! PATRICIA LEA ROSE (CARR) FRANK RONALD
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Posted 2009-07-22 8:11 PM (#182305 - in reply to #144239)
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Your mother was named Brian?
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Posted 2009-07-22 8:27 PM (#182308 - in reply to #182305)
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Posted 2009-07-22 11:35 PM (#182323 - in reply to #182308)
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Placing an on-line auction on eBay sure generates a lot more "buzz" than a Hemmings ad or Craigslist. I don't know if this will sell Mr. Huard's car, but it sure seems to have gained some attention on this site. Maybe their fees are worth it after all? I think Clive and I are trading high (uh, well still pretty low) bids on this one. Just so you know, Clive - my latest lame bid was $16,019.58!

I would imagine the reserve is somewhere around $30,000...
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Posted 2009-07-23 5:59 PM (#182402 - in reply to #144239)
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A little bidding-psych-out , going on there, Mike?







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Posted 2009-07-23 7:02 PM (#182404 - in reply to #182402)
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Just a bit! Neil, have you seen any literature on whether that seat center section could be either black or white? I always thought black was the appropriate color, but I continue to learn.
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Posted 2009-07-23 7:49 PM (#182410 - in reply to #182404)
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The middle area is "always" black, and "never" white......on OEM interiors.

I know: never-say-always, but, it only makes sense that a very-limited, unique sub-contracted upholsery set
would be made up in only one style-pattern, especially involving a car model that has only four versions of a particular
2-tone color scheme.

Here's something, too: beyond antenna(e), mirror(s), and D500 emblem, the Regals had NO other exterior trim options
available on their bodies, right?????





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Posted 2009-07-23 7:52 PM (#182411 - in reply to #144239)
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....I wonder how many extra-for-stock Regal Lancer upholstery sets were made???????

25 ?




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Posted 2009-07-23 11:26 PM (#182448 - in reply to #182410)
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There was a NOS driver seat back on eBay a while ago...

I don't know if you might consider the bumper guards "trim", but I think those were still optional on the Regals and whether or not they are there makes a difference in how the car looks. Other than what you mentioned, I can't think of anything else. I think the twin strut mirrors were standard on the Regals. Did Regals always come with spinners?
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Posted 2009-07-24 4:54 PM (#182536 - in reply to #144239)
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Now, there's a couple/three good questions.

The bumper guards aren't on the body (my disclaimer), but, as far as having DUAL (dual-strut, at that) mirrors (and spinners)
as standard equipment.....I guess that we have to go back and look at all the factory (and this thread's) photos.

The spinners can be missing or replaced; their presence proves nothing, but it seems like the attractive 'vaned' wheel covers ought to have been standard on the Regals ( too), but maybe not.

I don't recall ever reading anything in the literature about the mirrors and/or the spinners being standard equipment on the Regals.


I didn't see that complete Regal NOS seat back, on Flea-pay.

It's my general belief that the seat upholstery was assembled inside the factory.

Think I'll ask about that, on one of the other message boards.





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Posted 2009-07-24 6:46 PM (#182547 - in reply to #145242)
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It appears that your press release does show the dual dual-strut mirrors as standard for the Regals. The hubcaps, I don't know. Also, we ran into Aivar's car which may have had the spring special fin ornaments, perhapse even the license escutcheon as trim options???
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Posted 2009-07-30 10:48 AM (#183232 - in reply to #182547)
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I think Clive outbid me, but we were nowhere near the reserve, I'll bet. Either the market has really softned, or the auction just did not find the right eyes. I hope he will list it again! I think it is worth much more than $16,119.58!!!
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Posted 2009-07-30 1:49 PM (#183251 - in reply to #183232)
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Here is a shot of Harry Doody's Regal D-500. Harry is a member. I don't think we have posted a picture of it here, though.



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Posted 2009-07-30 7:07 PM (#183288 - in reply to #144239)
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Well, I DO know one other body-item that would be optionally available on the Regals (in addition to the antennae,
and assuming that both rear view mirrors were STANDARD equipment) : the optional "Bumper Group" included
a stainless steel license plate insert.

The front and rear bumper 'Vertical Guards' were technically not a part of the cars' bodies, but, that license plate
insert certainly was!

BTW, Aivar's Regal is equipped with every option except that Bumper Group, and, the Super D500 engine option .

I thought that I had a copy of his Regal's IBM card, but, I'm not finding it, as far as that Spring Special fin-ornament
is concerned.

What do you suppose that the "Sweep Moldings" were? According to the Broadcast Sheets and IBM card copies, there
were supposedly MORE than just one style/type to them....I wonder if they referred to the "Saddle Trim" long-molding?

The length of the moldings would vary, with the 2 door and 4 door models, but, I've never yet seen that option recorded
on a B.-S., or IBM card copy.----that may be 'it', though. Gotta go find and check a "Saddle" car's IBM card copy...

BTW, I've never seen a B.-S., or IBM card, on a real S.-S. car, to see how their trim options are recorded on them, either.

There must be some 'special' coding for them, as the B.-S., and IBM-guy have no standard-coding for them.

The Regals all got a standard body-trim, so, the only coding to identify THEM is their unique Paint & Trim codes.




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Posted 2009-07-31 12:45 AM (#183330 - in reply to #183288)
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Neil, I always thought the sweep moulding was the last piece of stainless "check mark" just before the fin's upsweep. If that were the sweep moulding, no Regal would be equipped with it since the lower paint and trim area does not allow for it. I think the sweep moulding was optional on Coronets in 1958, but standard on Royals and Custom Royals.
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Posted 2009-07-31 6:49 PM (#183404 - in reply to #144239)
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That dippity-doo molding-guy was not an optional piece of trim, but a dedicated part of the CR model line
(just like the fluted quarter panel molding was, in 1957).

I agree, though, that 'Sweep Molding' is a good name for that piece of trim.

BTW, it's been a while since I got a nice piece of trim.




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Posted 2009-08-01 2:05 PM (#183470 - in reply to #183404)
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I just spoke to Brian the guy that owns that Regal. He's looking for $22K for it. Not a perfect car but priced in the ballpark. His cell # is 508-317-7092
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Posted 2009-08-05 7:21 PM (#184156 - in reply to #144239)
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Posted 2009-09-09 12:20 AM (#188146 - in reply to #184156)
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has anyone ever seen a 59 regal lancer?? this thread sort of went dead and this has been on my mind the whole time . i ran across of picture of one years ago on an obscure website but i dont know if it is real or not.
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Posted 2009-09-09 2:16 PM (#188203 - in reply to #188146)
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grant4405 - 2009-09-09 12:20 AM has anyone ever seen a 59 regal lancer?? this thread sort of went dead and this has been on my mind the whole time . i ran across of picture of one years ago on an obscure website but i dont know if it is real or not.

There were no Regal Lancers built in '59. The pics you saw were of a prototype, but that's as far as it got. 

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Posted 2009-09-09 3:22 PM (#188212 - in reply to #188203)
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...I was just thinking, about this car's having white vinyl center-seat areas be installed on it; that white-detail would
probably look good on the mostly-bronze, with white-accent, models, as it would carry over the white-accent into
the interior motif.

That's probably why this car's restorer decided to install the white panels, too: no real reason to have the black
OEM seat sections, in a white/bronze car .





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Posted 2009-09-09 8:11 PM (#188244 - in reply to #188203)
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Posted 2009-09-09 11:36 PM (#188265 - in reply to #188244)
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The Godshall article in Collectible Automobile (Vol. 10, No. 2 8/93) showed a picture of the '59 Regal concept.

"Although a Regal Lancer was designed and okayed for 1959, it was canceled in April 1958 when Chrysler began writing in red ink. It would have looked like the car seen here, with a unique bodyside molding and insert, decklid molding, roof trim, rear deck medallion, roof and deck windsplit molding, and hood and decklid paint break molding, plus assorted nameplates. It was also slated to get the swivel seats."

In the pictures, it looked like a tri-tone light blue, dark blue, and white. It had a very unusual paint break with the main body in light blue, the roof and outside part of the fins in white, and the inboard side of the fins in dark blue. Also, the picture had the standard wheelcovers, not the spinners! If a person had unlimited resources, it would be a lot of fun to recreate that one! I didn't see any pictures of the interior.

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Posted 2009-09-09 11:47 PM (#188267 - in reply to #188265)
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Are you guys STILL running your jibs about Regal Lancers ? !

FYI ~ My parts book has the special insert regarding all the special parts used to make a Regal, ... in case this may be of use to you "regal" cats.
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Posted 2009-09-10 12:27 AM (#188271 - in reply to #188267)
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Heck Doc, join the fun! This is EASILY the best thread on the forums! Neil has a little teaser of that parts list way back on page 402! We are all just waiting for the next Regal to show up. I am really hoping that we get to see a picture of Brian's black Regal when it gets restored. Unfortunately, I don't think Brian posts on the forwardlook site On the other hand, Pat posts here and we may get to see the progress on his eggshell Regal again one day.

Doc, if you can give us the complete parts list - you can one-up our man in Bishop.

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Posted 2009-09-10 12:56 AM (#188273 - in reply to #188271)
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Got a question -

We know the fin spears on a Regal are supposed to be silver. We know the shield on the spear is supposed to have a black background. What color are the shield and the knight's head supposed to be? I couldn't get a clear answer by looking back through the pictures! Aivar's look all silver. Others are gold annodized.
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Posted 2009-09-10 1:16 AM (#188276 - in reply to #188273)
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This $#@! book is a bugger to copy stuff out of. Big and cumbersome, it really doesn't sit open nicely on my lap so I can read and type .... aaaarrgghhh !

So, ... It is Dodge bulletin No. 144. Issue date: 11 April, 1958

"Parts peculiar to 1958 Dodge "Regal Lancer""

Four pages of stuff.

Says here the "ash receiver" was special to RL's !

List is too long to rewrite the whole thing, but I can answer questions ....

Also have the Dodge Taxi special parts bulletin and the same for the Silver Special Plymouth. All three say they include photos, but I do not have these.
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Posted 2009-09-10 3:03 PM (#188336 - in reply to #188276)
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Mike, the outer edge of the shield emblem's border is the usual/typical bright silver anodization; the
face area is black, and the knight's head is the usual/typical gold anodization.

I gotta go look up the ash-receiver's being a unique part----

YEP; over on pg-6 of this thread I had posted the complete listing of the unique Regal
Lancer parts, and there it is : "ash receiver, # 1830 242".

In/on various pics on this thread the front and/or the rear ash receiver(s) is/are seen.

The rear ashtray is identical to all the other 57/58 guys.

The front ashtray differs only in its COLOR (bronze).

As the front ashtray is removable, a pre-painted piece must have been available, which kind-of
makes sense, in that a customer needing (how/why???) a replacement front ash receiver
could get one all ready to install in his car, because the special bronze paint was probably a special
short-production-item, which only required 1-run of the bronze painting work, on the dash panels/pieces.

However, I'm certain (but haven't verified) that any OTHER front ash receiver would have to be
painted, in order to match the color of the dash-middle (i.e.: ivory/black/blue/green/gold), and that the
parts warehouse could not(???) have maintained a 'similar' supply of pre-painted ash receivers, in stock???

I mean, what % of all 57-58 Dodges ever required the replacement of the front ashtray?











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Posted 2009-09-10 4:30 PM (#188344 - in reply to #144239)
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aw you guys yes you too neil sorry! about this section of int. trim.... this should be this or that color - cmon man!!!! jeez!!!! this car is goregous

and its body chassis and drive train exc. for a repaint at one time SURVIVED 51 years! not too many of any classic car survives in this

condition with its orig guts and strong body - rot rot rot poorly fit patches on body different drive trains some even ride on a different chassis

to nit pick about a beautiful orig. special trim model MADE ONE YEAR about a section of fabric or color of a trim piece!?!?!?! even with the

current ecomomy 20 grand is a bargain! which one of you guys is gonna buy it? if i had the money id buy it in a heart beat! its a finned fwl

mopar its super rare AND IN MY STATE!!!!!
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Posted 2009-09-10 4:39 PM (#188348 - in reply to #144239)
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Steve, in THIS economy, $20Large might just be too much money for a lot of people to want to pay for this car.

If you were interested in buying this/any car, wouldn't you want to know how well and correctly it was 'restored' ?

In my car's case (10/80), it took a couple years for the lower area bondo-coverup to begin having the underlying rust-out
begin to leach into/thru the 'body-work'.

I would have appreciated someone's having advised me on the car's visible red-flags (like a horrible undercarriage, but XLNT-
looking body) that I wasn't consciously aware-of, when I bought the car sight-unseen (kind of like: Evilpay, today) out
of the Chi-Town/Gary IN area (another red-flag!)






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Posted 2009-09-11 12:34 AM (#188423 - in reply to #188348)
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Newsflash ...

This isn't nitpicking a car. This is refining our collective knowledge of what this unique model was.

I do not think I'd do a Regal, myself. I just can't get with the side trim and color insert. I just like the 57 version so much better.

So, I guess that leaves this car up to you to buy. Let us know when you get it home.
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Posted 2009-09-11 1:29 AM (#188428 - in reply to #144239)
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i spoke to him if it doesnt sell pretty soon ill get it for 17.5 and have a well known restorer check it out and ill bring a magnet - and 17.5 -

in hundreds!!!!
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Posted 2009-09-11 3:32 PM (#188509 - in reply to #188429)
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Here is another Regal I saw on a Cadillac forum. With the Regal (unknown on these pages, I think) there were several photographs of other neat forwardlookers.

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Posted 2009-09-11 4:17 PM (#188513 - in reply to #188336)
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d500neil - 2009-09-10 1:03 PM

Mike, the outer edge of the shield emblem's border is the usual/typical bright silver anodization; the
face area is black, and the knight's head is the usual/typical gold anodization.



Thanks Neil. In looking at various examples shown in these pages, I have noted that some have

silver border / silver head
silver border / gold head
gold border / gold head (most common)

I have not seen a gold border / silver head combination. Also, and I think we have discussed this, the block and script Dodge letters are typically chrome pot metal, which is unusual for a variation of the Custom Royal model. The Custom Royals came with gold annodized aluminum block & script.
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Posted 2009-09-11 4:30 PM (#188514 - in reply to #188513)
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Right, I/we have seen OEM Custom Royals having either the gold anodized, or the chromed pot metal, script "Dodge"
trunk nameplates.

All 57-58 Dodge 'knights-head' shield emblems should have a gold anodized knights-head, and, the chrome-like border framing.

The front facing-panel can be either a semi-gloss silver-paint, or gloss black paint(only on the Regals) .

Regals got chrome-like anodized 'lances' ; everyone else got the gold anodized lance ornaments.

Any variations from these schemes are due to some owner's involvement in the attachment and/or appearance of these guys.

BTW, both of these two new Regals have 'black' painted grille-emblems.

And, you know? I'm starting to favor the bronze-with-white-trim scheme!






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Posted 2009-09-11 6:45 PM (#188524 - in reply to #188514)
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Those pictures were late June 2009 in Minnesota. Two Regals in one show? Amazing! Same thing happened in Massachusetts once I guess.
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Posted 2009-09-11 9:15 PM (#188541 - in reply to #188265)
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d500neil - 2009-09-11 4:30 PM

And, you know? I'm starting to favor the bronze-with-white-trim scheme!



Thanks, Neil! That is a very good picture of that combo. The most interesting thing is that is has the front fender antenna like mine. This is definitely a previously unknown (or at least unposted) to this forum Regal Lancer. Keep those pictures coming, the list is growing.
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Posted 2009-09-12 12:50 AM (#188561 - in reply to #188550)
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Jeez! Vedder gets credit for everything around here! Pat, those are the only pictures he posted of Regals. At a casual glance, I thought he took two pictures of one Regal. The spuds and the black paint on that first picture set me straight though!

I have yet to see a picture of a fully restored 5ASA. I will reserve my pick for favorite color scheme until then.
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There was a black with bronze one at Al's Auto Wrecking. I think I have the data tag and VIN off it (?). It was a stunning car.
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Posted 2009-09-12 4:18 PM (#188601 - in reply to #144239)
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Doc, please PM me with that car's info; VIN not very important, but, it will give an idea when the car was built.




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Posted 2009-09-13 12:09 AM (#188664 - in reply to #188601)
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Neil ~

Kick my cage about a year after the new shop is built and I should have the mountain of boxes in storage resorted and organized in the new place. I have shoeboxes of vin and data tag sets from many of the cars I parted and interesting ones doomed to wrecking yards I frequented. Right now, I could not find it if I wanted to !
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Posted 2009-09-14 2:12 PM (#188837 - in reply to #188664)
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That "bronze regal 1" photograph must be of Randy Guyer's Regal (formerly Ruffalo's - and the same as shown in Collectible Automobile).

It looks different from the one restored by MoPar Mel as shown on his website (no spuds, for starters). I wonder if these are one and the same or if the one restored by Mel went to Massachusetts?



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Posted 2009-09-15 4:02 PM (#188962 - in reply to #144239)
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Nobody's ever claimed to have seen, recently, that "3-tone" (black finned) Regal whose photo I posted, earlier, either.
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Posted 2009-09-29 6:53 PM (#190677 - in reply to #188962)
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Here is a link to Gary's wonderful photos of Aivar's Regal.

http://www.forwardlook.net/forums/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=27547&posts=10&start=1

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Posted 2009-10-02 6:19 PM (#190989 - in reply to #144239)
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This latest piece of trivia will be of no interest, except to far-distant FWDLK researchers, and present day Regal-nerds,
but, as part of some research into the Regal Lancers, today, I have developed the following theory, about some options-coding
on the Regal Lancers, to wit:


NO Regal Lancers will have Paint/Trim plate codings for the following Option Groups: Safety, Appearance, and/or Deluxe Appearance,
because the UNIQUE Regal-specific padded sun-visors (which are otherwise included within the Safety Group) and the 2-tone steering
wheel (which is/are otherwise included within the two 'Appearance' Groups) are STANDARD equipment on the Regals, and are not,
otherwise optionally-available on any 'lesser' Dodge model.


Any of the other individual "Safety", "Appearance" and/or "Deluxe Appearance" group-items will have to be individually accounted for,
on the Broadcast Sheets and/or on the IBM Build Card copies.

Now, where to FIND those option codings, on the P/T plates, is still a State Secret, but, the above information confirms why some
Regal Lancer's P/T plates might appear to indicate that 'the' car might be less-than-heavily optioned. The B.-Sheets and IBM cards
WILL/can confirm, to the contrary.







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Posted 2010-03-16 4:21 PM (#214183 - in reply to #190989)
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I found this in Hemmings Motor News this month and it referenced the website. I believe the price was listed at $45,000 - which doesn't seem bad if this is a real Super D-500 car. It looks quite a bit like the Ruffalo car, but obviously different.

www.mopardoc.com

then click on "cars for sale".  I wish they had more pictures of this beauty.





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Posted 2010-03-16 4:59 PM (#214193 - in reply to #214183)
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it appears from the picture that the rear package shelf cover is missing and one of the headliner bow covers is down. Although difficult to see, some of the hardboard headliner may be missing. From those clues, I am guessing that the interior is not as nice as the exterior.
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Posted 2010-03-16 6:16 PM (#214204 - in reply to #144239)
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Sean Machado has previously confirmed that the blue 1960 Polara is not a real D500, as is listed on the seller's
website.

The Regal's P/T plate will confirm its D500 status.

It's got a replaced fuel line on it; too bad we can't see its passengers side exhaust manifold. The heater doesn't appear to
be working, but, those carbs have been installed on it for a while.

$45K seems to be a bit pricey, although the car might be a real single-4 D500.





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Posted 2010-03-17 11:35 PM (#214462 - in reply to #214204)
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So is this one we have seen before in this thread, or a new one to this thread? I think it might be new. This would bring the total up to almost 30 cars accounted for recently. Amazing! To me, it seems that most of these have been bronze with black accents as this one is. It would be great to see the data plate for this one. Neil, are you going to send them a request?
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Posted 2010-03-18 9:19 PM (#214578 - in reply to #144239)
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What a hideous steering wheel. At least he kept the original...
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Posted 2010-03-18 10:24 PM (#214598 - in reply to #144239)
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..Only the car's owner (for about the past 10 years, or so) is supposed to send in for the IBM card.

Back-Then, I scored a lot of D500 (wrecked cars') IBM card copies for $15.00 each, including some of Kiekaefer's rides.





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Posted 2010-03-18 11:41 PM (#214614 - in reply to #214598)
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Matthias, you must be talking about the old Frostbite! Ah, that car grew on me - now I might say, keep it just as is!

Neil - I was talking about contacting the owner and asking for a photograph of the data plate...
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Posted 2010-03-18 11:51 PM (#214618 - in reply to #145237)
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Wow, what I car!  I can't say I recall ever having seen a Regal Lancer.  They are both beautiful, the stock one as well as the customized one, each in their own way.  I am with the one poster who said it is his favorite FL car.....mine too, now! 



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Lancer Mike
Posted 2010-03-19 3:29 PM (#214719 - in reply to #214618)
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Hi, Karl -

I've been looking up and down for them for years and I have only seen one in person. They are great cars!
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Posted 2010-04-21 6:53 PM (#219582 - in reply to #214719)
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Looks like the Ruffalo car is up for sale again as of March 2, 2010!

http://www.remarkablecars.com/ppads/showproduct.php/product/4867



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Posted 2010-04-22 6:26 PM (#219746 - in reply to #144239)
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$70K seems like an OK price for this car, but, it's not in Original condition and not particularly
heavily optioned.

Somebody should turn-around those Shield emblems.





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Posted 2010-04-23 11:21 PM (#219947 - in reply to #219746)
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I noticed that the current owner, who I think is a site member, is not asking for a profit. This is a spectacular car - but you are right Neil, not only not original (which doesn't bother me too much) but not fully correct either. I had an opportunity to switch those shields when I rode up on stage in the car at Barrett-Jackson in 2008, but alas - modesty forbid it! Ah, but for a pair of needle-nose pliers and a small tin snip - the job would have been done!

I really should call this the Hallaran / Alexander car, since they owned it when it appeared in Collectible Automobile (cover car, no less)
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Posted 2010-04-23 11:39 PM (#219953 - in reply to #219947)
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Is that OEM grass / pine needles in the carpet under the brake peddle ?
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Posted 2010-04-25 12:03 AM (#220124 - in reply to #219953)
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Yeah, I noticed that too Oh, well - we have seen a lot worse in these for sale photos - remember that Imperial convertible? Pop cans, dirty diapers, chewing gum wrapers, 1979 Sears catalog, cassette tapes... $150,000 to start. Just out of respect for how much money that is, I would have shampoo'd the carpets and armor-all'd all the interior surfaces! A few pine needles I can handle.
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Posted 2010-04-27 9:09 PM (#220615 - in reply to #144239)
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Posted 2010-04-27 9:12 PM (#220616 - in reply to #220615)
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1163---not many were station wagon Super D500's, however.



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Posted 2010-04-27 10:15 PM (#220634 - in reply to #220616)
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How many were convertible Super D-500 wagons ????
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Posted 2010-04-27 10:17 PM (#220636 - in reply to #220634)
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..only those that went under lo-bridges!
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Posted 2010-06-10 8:17 PM (#227346 - in reply to #144239)
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I found one of these, although I haven't actually seen it yet. Supposedly it has under 70k miles but some rust. What is a reasonable price to pay for a fixer-upper. It is running.
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Posted 2010-06-11 7:40 AM (#227407 - in reply to #227346)
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circlerounder - 2010-06-10 8:17 PM

I found one of these, although I haven't actually seen it yet. Supposedly it has under 70k miles but some rust. What is a reasonable price to pay for a fixer-upper. It is running.


I have no idea about what it could be worth, but I sure hope for you that this can work out. These Regal Lancer are extraordinary cars!
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Posted 2010-06-11 4:59 PM (#227474 - in reply to #144239)
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This Regal, Cupper/Black, regal, is my dream car, but I want a D500 also, Well, a dream,,,,,

well, I am close,,,

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Posted 2010-06-12 5:28 PM (#227577 - in reply to #144239)
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Mark, what you pay for the car, in addition to its physical condition, depends upon what the seller THINKS that he has.

"Some" rust means a LOT of rust, and Regals are not cheap to restore.

Also, what you pay for the car depends upon how well you want to restore it, and what you want to DO with the
car, once you're done with it.

If you intend to keep and enjoy its ownership over many years, its purchase price is almost irrelevant, because the
car's value will continue to appreciate over the years.

If you want to do a quickie, or a Hot Rod job and/or to turn the car, to try to realize a profit on your investment, that's
a business decision that only you can make.

Good luck on getting it, though!


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Posted 2010-06-13 2:41 PM (#227682 - in reply to #227577)
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Mark, what you pay for the car, in addition to its physical condition, depends upon what the seller THINKS that he has.

"Some" rust means a LOT of rust, and Regals are not cheap to restore.

Also, what you pay for the car depends upon how well you want to restore it, and what you want to DO with the
car, once you're done with it.

If you intend to keep and enjoy its ownership over many years, its purchase price is almost irrelevant, because the
car's value will continue to appreciate over the years.

If you want to do a quickie, or a Hot Rod job and/or to turn the car, to try to realize a profit on your investment, that's
a business decision that only you can make.

Good luck on getting it, though!




Neil, thanks for your help. I fell in love with the Ruffalo car and especially the colors. Unfortunately the one I've found has the other color scheme cream and copper. As for value, I agree and disagree. For years one could pick up a decent 67 chevelle for around $3500. Now the same car runs $15k and up. So in this scenario the price is dictated by the market. I am looking for information on what the market says it is worth, and especially what you-all think it is worth since there really isn't much information out there.... at least that I can find. Most likely I won't pick it up since I have too many projects already, however I wouldn't want to overpay should I decide to make the leap. Thanks! Mark
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Posted 2010-06-13 5:47 PM (#227710 - in reply to #144239)
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Well, Mark, the restoration-purchase market is soft, compared to the 90's, when there was a feeding frenzy
regarding a nice quick turn-around on a so-so condition resto job, that happened to look nice as it was pushed
across the auction block, where a lot of times there were eager foreign buyers for 50's Mopes.

Remember the Japanese buyers, who have completely disappeared, along with their commercial real estate
purchases, and, their country's economy?

Show, show us the car's condition, please.



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Posted 2010-06-15 2:58 PM (#227973 - in reply to #227710)
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Hi, Mark -

I would love to see pictures, if you can get them. I would guess that you would pay anywhere from $5,000 to $15,000 for a running, driving Regal in need of "restoration."
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Posted 2010-08-10 7:36 PM (#236409 - in reply to #227973)
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Ok we have it linked together now. Here is the thread from August 2010:

http://www.forwardlook.net/forums/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=32082&posts=9&start=1
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Posted 2010-08-10 7:40 PM (#236411 - in reply to #236409)
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Sure enough, Bengt! I even posted the car! How soon we forget...
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Posted 2010-08-11 12:57 AM (#236443 - in reply to #144239)
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Anyone ever hear what became of poor "frostbite"?
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Posted 2010-08-11 2:06 PM (#236496 - in reply to #236443)
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It is amazing all that has happened since the thread started with Frostbite: he started out asking $29,500 for that car and now you can get a very decent Super D-500 Regal for about the same price! How the mighty have fallen!

I thought the Frostbite might have sold - for less than that first asking price went. However, I never heard who bought it or what happened to it.

I even grew to like it the way it was.
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Posted 2010-08-12 4:28 AM (#236594 - in reply to #144239)
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Neil, I don't think whoever built this particular model was trying to build a Regal. It does appear that they were trying to build a car exactly like the "tribute" car. Yes, the red or coral shields are peculiar - otherwise it seems to be a match.

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Posted 2010-08-12 11:22 AM (#236618 - in reply to #236594)
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filerecovery - 2010-08-12 2:28 AM

Neil, I don't think whoever built this particular model was trying to build a Regal. It does appear that they were trying to build a car exactly like the "tribute" car. Yes, the red or coral shields are peculiar - otherwise it seems to be a match.

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? ?

What is this all about?
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Posted 2010-08-25 6:47 PM (#238351 - in reply to #144239)
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NOW, can someone (Sir Clive; Mike; anyone?) tie-in Jeremy Patton's Regal Lancer thread, over on the Member's Rides board,
to this thread???


ANOTHER Regal lancer is 'found'.....it was never missing!






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Posted 2010-08-26 12:21 AM (#238405 - in reply to #238351)
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Holy smokes!  That's a Regal alright!  Never would have known the thread was there!

http://www.forwardlook.net/forums/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=32274&posts=41&start=1

I haven't really examined all the photos yet, but the radio delete plate is very interesting as well as the lack of a shield and lance on the glove box door (same as Ruffalo's - heck, maybe they all came that way).  That is a signature element of the Custom Royal series - I wonder what the Regals didn't get them?  It is just the plain old Royal glove box door.  Maybe they drew the line at a lil' tiny black shield and silver lance. 

Interesting - standard wheelcovers on his too.  This is very interesting.  This example certainly looks "lived in".  I love it!



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Posted 2010-08-26 12:40 AM (#238409 - in reply to #238405)
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Posted 2010-08-26 12:44 AM (#238410 - in reply to #238409)
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Posted 2010-08-26 3:00 PM (#238459 - in reply to #144239)
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I should know this, but too lazy to look 'it' up, but shouldn't the dash bezels be 'copper' colored???

Mike, there's no evidence of a filled-in fender-antenna hole, but, this car is supposed to have a radio.

An eccentric original owner---didn't like the OEM 2-tone; that's eccentric, and he didn't care for having a radio
be installed in the car, either, in CA, where there were a lot of radio stations (I think).

This is not your 'typical' Regal...




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Posted 2010-08-29 6:08 PM (#238914 - in reply to #144239)
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So what is the red 60 Dart infront of the white Regal Super D500
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Posted 2010-09-02 12:29 AM (#239358 - in reply to #238914)
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very interesting Regal! Some of the sales literature said they were supposed to have bronze colored inserts where the textured aluminum inserts go around the dash and in the glove box door, but I don't think that ever made it into production. Aivar's does not have the bronze colored inserts and his is one of the earliest. I have not seen them on any car. The dash and glove box are just like the Royal.

Interesting new home over here.
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Posted 2010-09-13 4:02 PM (#241256 - in reply to #144239)
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Got a PM from a man who is contemplating buying a D500 (as confirmed from the P/T plate info he sent to me)
black/copper Regal; dunno if it's one that we've seen here, before, but, it might be a new addition to the 'family'!

Not too many black/copper D500's still known to exist.





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Posted 2010-09-13 10:50 PM (#241349 - in reply to #214618)
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Only the one that we knew of. It would be very interesting if there were another, but my guess it is the same we have seen.
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Posted 2010-09-14 2:35 PM (#241400 - in reply to #144239)
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Turns-out, it's the "Missouri" car, a real Single-4 D500; that the one you're recalling, Mike?




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Posted 2010-09-15 6:42 PM (#241573 - in reply to #241400)
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Right! Is the fella you talked to looking at a genuine Super D500 with the copper over black scheme? That would be different!
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Posted 2010-09-15 7:02 PM (#241579 - in reply to #241573)
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The car might, now, be sporting a pair of AFB's on it, but it was built as a Single-4.

I've never encountered a real Super D500 Regal Lancer, but, they (it!) must have been built, among the 1,163 of them.





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Posted 2010-09-15 11:17 PM (#241622 - in reply to #144239)
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I was considering purchasing the Missouri car for my wife, as her first car was a black/bronze single 4-bbl Regal Lancer that her dad bought for her about 1967.

We decided not to buy it because in my opinion it needed too many things to bring it back to stock. The car was built as a single 4-bbl, with A/C, but it's been converted to duals, and the A/C has been removed. The photos suggest that the paint job is not restoration quality, and a unique piece of stainless trim is missing.

Unless I did most of the work, the restoration bill would have put the investment too far beyond the value of the car, and most of my time is already committed to my '56 Belvedere project.
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Posted 2010-09-16 3:02 PM (#241664 - in reply to #241622)
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Aha! And if I would have made myself more conspicuous at the Colorado MoPar show, I could have got the inside scoop! Gary, do you mind me asking what the asking price for this car was?
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Posted 2010-09-16 7:55 PM (#241689 - in reply to #241664)
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Lancer Mike - 2010-09-16 2:02 PM

Aha! And if I would have made myself more conspicuous at the Colorado MoPar show, I could have got the inside scoop! Gary, do you mind me asking what the asking price for this car was?


$30,000
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Posted 2010-09-17 12:08 PM (#241744 - in reply to #241689)
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You will find another, Gary!
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Posted 2011-02-08 12:41 PM (#260160 - in reply to #144239)
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would a regal lancer come without any options, such as pw, ps, bumper teeth, exhaust tips, license plate insert,glovebox emblem, also does anyone know what is the rarest colour scheme? the one ive seen is copper over black,

would the data plate show any of this?

thanks paul.

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Posted 2011-02-15 7:04 PM (#261164 - in reply to #144239)
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on the front and rear seat there are rectangle pieces that look chrome, does anyone know if they are seperate to the seat cover or embossed on the cover?



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Lancer Mike
Posted 2011-02-15 7:57 PM (#261172 - in reply to #260160)
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Hi, Paul:

This thread has been going for awhile. I think we discussed some of the Regal options once. I think Regals may have had optional bumper spuds, rear guards, power seat, power windows, and license plate insert. Probably power steering, power brakes, radio, and heater were options too - but gosh, that would be rare. Exhaust tips should be standard and no glove box emblem (strange).

It seems the rarest surviving color scheme would be a black car with copper fins.

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Posted 2011-02-15 8:26 PM (#261174 - in reply to #144239)
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Yes, those rectangular seat 'buttons' are separate pieces; over on page-4 of this thread you'll see a good view of a seat
showing how those 'buttons' were attached to it.



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Posted 2011-02-16 3:00 PM (#261276 - in reply to #144239)
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ok thanks,bit reluctant to buy this one at first as not got correct headliner or seats, but neil checked out data tag for me and came back ok, looks like it has power steering and brakes, rear speaker and dual antennas, tinted glass including windsheild, will know more when i get it back to uk, gary goers replied back to me he can do the seat covers but not till later in year, door panels may tidy up yet with a bit of material? dont know about seat foam yet?

as for headliner need a 58 for pattern, it has a 57 in a moment with cream division bars

350 motor out of car at moment, looks like it needs a rebuild.





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Posted 2011-02-16 4:07 PM (#261281 - in reply to #261276)
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Paul, MoPar Mel sells the correct chrome-style headliner bows for your car ( I believe--not cheap, but the only correct like-new
ones that are available).

As I mentioned, you can approximate the "Accousta-Foam" headliner by having your local upholstery shop custom install
a large piece(s) of the seat vinyl material (available from SMS) into the 'roof'.

You can have your shop stitch together the sheet vinyl so that the seams are hidden by the headliner bows, and, there should be
some sort of thin padding, like fiberglass, installed between the roof and the headliner vinyl.

BTW, those 57-58 cream-colored headliner bows ARE valuable, so protect them.

Gary Goers may well be an excellent option for the creation of the Regal Lancer seats, as long as Gary knows precisely how they
should be constructed, and, I think that he has made-up those seats, before.

Otherwise, I am a firm believer in a local auto upholstery shop's ability to follow the existing patterns of a car's upholstery, so
that they can be allowed to custom-fit the(ir) upholstery to your seat frames and to the(ir) seat foam padding.

The Regals DO have a very slight raising-up of their seat bolsters (vinyl) so as to approximate the look and feel of bucket
seats.

I've personally known Gary since the early 80's and have a lot of respect for his work and his products, and, he is a no-
brainer about creating Chrysler 300 interiors, but, I'd sure feel better about having a local upholstery shop make up MY Regal
Lancer's seats, or, at least, would want to see some examples of Gary's Regal lancer seat work.

You'll need to contact SMS, at any rate, regarding obtaining the fluted upper door trim vinyl material, and, maybe-probably,
having SMS create the custom-fluted white door/trim panel material---which your upholstery shop can, then, stitch together for you,
along with the black tufted cut-pile carpeting.

Your upholstery shop can procure that 'rough' carpeting in the UK, and then custom stitch-it-together in their shop.

The carpeting is not 'molded', but, rather, is merely cut-and-stitched, and I have a complete carpet remnant at home, and can
show anyone what the carpeting looks like and how it is cut-and-sewn together, to fit over the transmission hump.






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Posted 2011-02-16 5:28 PM (#261292 - in reply to #144239)
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hi neil,

dont think there is anyone in the uk that is interested in upholstery work like this, if there was it would be around $4000 plus material, i had this problem with the last one i did and ended up selling without seats done even though i had bought all the material from sms, could not find anyone to do it without patterns,found a guy who said he would do it for $2000 from photos i had, then kept changing the date so gave up on him in end, i did try myself on the rear seat but was not happy with the outcome.

i bought the headliner from mel for that the bows were just covered in gold tape which i removed and painted same colour as headliner surround, dont know if they are any better now though?

gary said he had done 4 sets upto now?

heres the link to my last one said i would never do another

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Posted 2011-02-16 6:06 PM (#261298 - in reply to #261292)
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Unfortunately, that result is what can happen if a shop tries to install a pre-made upholstery set.

If Gary's done four previous sets, that's an excellent recommendation.

See if he can provide you with the foam padding, too, as well as the side trim panels(??).

You can send out your headliner bows for 'chrome'-flash plating, I think.

At any rate, the headliner bows are supposed to be in chrome finish.

Also, when you are done installing your new, very-expensive, interior you might think about having
your shop custom-install clear plastic covers over it.

It's very easy to say to yourself : "self, I'm gonna be real careful about letting anyone get into/outa
this car", but, once someone gets into it, with anything sticking out of his rear pocket, or having Levi's
rivets (been there; done that), gouging the plastic, only, you'll be real glad that that plastic is there!

And, then, there's the unavoidable wear-and-tear/soiling of the unprotected upholstery...






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Posted 2011-02-16 6:23 PM (#261300 - in reply to #261298)
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d500neil - 2011-02-16 11:06 PM

(Unfortunately, that result is what can happen if a shop tries to install a pre-made upholstery set.)


neil, Thats what i ended up doing myself with a sewing machine at home, from pictures, gave up after that attempt

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Posted 2011-05-20 8:09 PM (#273345 - in reply to #144239)
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finally arrived this morning



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Posted 2011-05-21 7:18 AM (#273387 - in reply to #144239)
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Congratulations to one of the coolest car ever made.

It looks like the engine is located in the trunk?

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Posted 2011-05-21 11:51 AM (#273398 - in reply to #144239)
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Flippin' sweet!

I like that!

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Posted 2011-05-27 5:15 PM (#274242 - in reply to #273345)
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Fantastic, Paul! Congratulations! In all the photographs of surviving Regals I have ever seen, your car's color pattern is unique. If I had a Regal to restore, this is the combination I would choose.

Kansas - Colorado - Massachusetts - Blackpool!

Now it appears that we will have to get the exhaust deflector project going. Of any suviving '58 Dodge out there, this one deserves a set! Did it come with the engine included?
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Posted 2011-05-27 5:31 PM (#274245 - in reply to #144239)
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I've decided; THIS is the rarest color combination for the Regal Lancers.

Mad dogs & Englishmen restore Regal Lancers X-000 miles from 'home' !

But, at least all of the hard-p