1957 Desoto Adventurer Convertible
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Posted 2009-12-22 4:17 PM (#201733)
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Hello Guys , this is my 1957 Desoto Adventurer Convertible , I finally publish photos....I bought this car from a dear friend collectorman, I started the restoration about 4 months ago, really difficult restoration.... if anyone has info of this car, I am pleased

Raffaele

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Posted 2009-12-22 4:44 PM (#201737 - in reply to #201733)
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You're getting right to it it seems!
Congrats and good luck with the cool project.
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MoparLasse
Posted 2009-12-22 4:48 PM (#201740 - in reply to #201733)
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Geez, you got a lot of work ahead of you...
I´m sure it will come out as good-looking as your E.
What´s the story behind the car?


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Posted 2009-12-22 5:02 PM (#201746 - in reply to #201733)
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This Adventurer was sold the first time in Long Island, then other owners in Iowa, found more than twenty years ago in a farming area without engine .....grew a tree in the engine compartment !!! , no joke !

purchased by an Italian collector, but had never been initiated work...now I'm rebuilding the body ... but the poor condition...I miss several parts, windshield molding ... convertible frame is very rust,if anyone know other information of the history of this car.....
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Posted 2009-12-22 5:08 PM (#201747 - in reply to #201733)
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 picture of the car in the United States about 15 years ago

 

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Posted 2009-12-22 5:52 PM (#201767 - in reply to #201733)
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Is this the car that "roadkillontheweb" sold a couple of years ago?


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d500neil
Posted 2009-12-22 5:56 PM (#201768 - in reply to #201733)
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Looks like the car might have been white, that someone re-painted in black.

It would certainly be interesting if your car could speak, to relate its working life history.

Looks like it lead a real working-man's existence, and may have been parked outside for much
of its lifetime, too.

Now, wouldn't it be great to sit around a roaring fireplace, with suitable anti-freeze in hand,
and listen to the stories it could tell??





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Posted 2009-12-22 6:12 PM (#201769 - in reply to #201733)
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That is a Cool Project raffaele,, Please post Updated Pics of the Progress as and when you do it....
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Posted 2009-12-22 8:01 PM (#201782 - in reply to #201769)
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How is the frame ? With so much floor rust, the upsweep on the frame must be in pretty poor condition. I'm sure that the X-piece is reusable, due to its thickness.

Ron

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Posted 2009-12-22 8:48 PM (#201796 - in reply to #201733)
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Brave of you to undertake such a project, in a place where parts are unobtainium no less... one small comment - I'd have rolled the factory beads in the trunk floor for rigidity and correctness, but that's just me.
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Posted 2009-12-22 10:29 PM (#201815 - in reply to #201733)
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Wow looks like i'm in good company. you have a head start on me there. where did you get your lower quater panels? i'm going to have to replace my interior floors and trunk also.
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raffaplymouth
Posted 2009-12-23 1:42 AM (#201831 - in reply to #201733)
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what is " factory beads on the floor " ???? ...frame is in very good condition, although the car has been abandoned for many years , only little rust on the rear rail , thanks for your comment
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Posted 2009-12-23 1:43 AM (#201832 - in reply to #201733)
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rear quarter panel can be purchased on ebay
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Posted 2009-12-23 1:45 AM (#201833 - in reply to #201733)
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yes this is Desoto from Roadkillontheweb !!
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Posted 2009-12-23 2:12 AM (#201837 - in reply to #201733)
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Hey Raffaele great start on you conv. also if anybody would need an X brace I have one it came from a 59 d-500 conv. not much was saveable in the rear but it helped repair the front of my 59 4 dr sed. and would sell the left over X member. Best of luck with your restoration.


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Posted 2009-12-23 2:23 AM (#201839 - in reply to #201733)
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Thank´s for sharing Ralf! you are in my opinion a the great mopar restorer ! Now you have a chance to prove you are one of The Best! Merry christmas!

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Posted 2009-12-23 3:24 PM (#201916 - in reply to #201733)
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Your Adventurer was assembled on 3-20-1957, and Neil, you're very observant. The car was originally a PLP paint code, and so should have a gold roof and lower color sweep, with a white body.
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Posted 2009-12-23 3:46 PM (#201920 - in reply to #201733)
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Ma cazzo di Buddha, che macchina!

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Posted 2009-12-23 5:21 PM (#201943 - in reply to #201831)
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raffaplymouth - 2009-12-23 1:42 AM
what is " factory beads on the floor " ????


He means; why didn't you make 'grooves' in the sheetmetal?
Just like the factory did to make the metal stronger and not have it make an "oil can"-noise when you put some weight on it and the metal bends.
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Posted 2009-12-23 6:29 PM (#201953 - in reply to #201733)
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Every time I look at this forum I am amazed at how many knowledgeable people there are in here.
this desoto project looks like quite a job , looks like a dedicated person is up for the task WOW I am sure it will be awesome when done.
Thanks for the entertainment.
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Posted 2009-12-24 4:04 PM (#202096 - in reply to #201733)
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Thanks to everyone for the comments! , Here is the frame ...Merry Christmas !!!

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Posted 2009-12-24 5:30 PM (#202110 - in reply to #202096)
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Raffaele, how many leafsprings does your car have, 6 1/2 ???

What are the part numbers for the torsion bars (seen on the extreme-end of them)?




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Posted 2009-12-25 2:36 AM (#202178 - in reply to #201733)
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I have not disassembled the chassis, Monday i check
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Posted 2009-12-25 4:19 PM (#202221 - in reply to #201733)
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How is the Convertible top roof rails on your Convert? I looks like a few were bent the wrong way. I have a couple spare parts of the rear side top assembly if you are in need of any.
I bought a replacement floor pan panel off of ebay from a guy in Detroit that had the stress supporting groves hand-machined rolled in and it was perfect panel to splice into the floor of my 59 Plymouth Convert. These grooves do indeed keep the floor pan from "oil canning" and actually give the floor additional strength by these stamped-in grooves. My father, and old Chrysler Stamping Engineer, says it has to do with twisting and torsional vectoring by putting in these grooves in different directions. All I know is it works for flat pans like trunks and floors. Even inner door structures have designed in strengthening contours to provide extra strength.
Good luck with the restoration on this Convert!

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Posted 2009-12-25 8:28 PM (#202248 - in reply to #201837)
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moparjimmy - 2009-12-23 11:12 PM

Hey Raffaele great start on you conv. also if anybody would need an X brace I have one it came from a 59 d-500 conv. not much was saveable in the rear but it helped repair the front of my 59 4 dr sed. and would sell the left over X member. Best of luck with your restoration.


Jimmy


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The Dodge X-member, while it will fit the DeSoto-Chrysler frame, is not the same as the factory DeSoto-Chrysler X-member. The Dodge-Plymouth unit is notably smaller in the I-beam dimensions. I am not sure how these differences would affect the driveline, but clearances are pretty tight and consideration would have to be given to whether the driveshaft might not clear.
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Posted 2009-12-26 9:01 AM (#202296 - in reply to #201733)
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I love threads like this showing "not-for the faint-of heart" restorations...this one is truly being brought back from the dead! Helps a lot of us realize that our own heaps might eventually see the light of day!

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Posted 2009-12-31 3:40 PM (#203075 - in reply to #201733)
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 Hello Guys !! , Other pics of 57 ADV , Left door had a shock , i have divided in half , i have sandblast , and change the cover with repro parts

 

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Posted 2009-12-31 4:10 PM (#203078 - in reply to #201733)
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shes really starting to take shape
where did you find repro door skins?


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Posted 2009-12-31 4:28 PM (#203080 - in reply to #203078)
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Raffaele, if you and Sven-the-Wizard were ever to get together, I think that the world would fall off of its axis!





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Posted 2009-12-31 4:34 PM (#203082 - in reply to #201733)
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raffaplymouth - 2009-12-31 10:30 PM I think from  Bob and Gary in San Bernardino CA, was with the car, the car was disassembled 20 years ago ...when I purchased were together many new and repro parts .....no one has started working
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Posted 2009-12-31 4:48 PM (#203085 - in reply to #203080)
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 d500  you're right !!!!
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Posted 2009-12-31 10:17 PM (#203129 - in reply to #201733)
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just amazing... i think people that are technically minded and can do this kind of work are very very fortunate and talented... keep up the good work... adriana
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Posted 2009-12-31 10:31 PM (#203133 - in reply to #203129)
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just amazing... i think people that are technically minded and can do this kind of work are very very fortunate and talented... keep up the good work... adriana :)



Not fortunate, just Driven....I didn't know how to paint, do bodywork, engines/trans', etc., but i knew I wanted the car and I had to learn....Where there's a will, there's a way...
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Posted 2009-12-31 11:01 PM (#203139 - in reply to #203133)
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Dukie's right. I bought my first oldie long before I had a clue. Anything beyond putting gas in it was a black hole of total mystery. But starting with an oil change and just taking things apart to clean them up, one thing after another became clear. You start buying some tools and making some like minded friends and pretty soon you are all sharing information and learning.

Doing this level of bodywork is one of my favorite stages of restoration. I was scared as hell of it before someone walked me through it. I think this was the real turning point for me in tackling a car. Once I had it explained to me that even though it looks like a car to "us", it is really just a pile of metal to a welder / fabricator. just a bunch of cuts and bends and welds. Nothing to be intimidated by.
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Posted 2010-01-01 9:44 AM (#203175 - in reply to #203075)
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raffaplymouth - 2009-12-31 3:40 PM

 

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A quick word of adice, You may already know, but I am going to present it anyways. Fit the door shell on the car first, After you remove skins the shell will flex, exspecilly the ones without crash bars in them. Alos used a metal adhesive when you put it on. It is stronger then welding and creates a barrier for water so it will not penitrate the seams that you cleaned up. You have to let the door set a few hrs before handling it, meaning trying to twist or such.
Lord Fusor makes a great bonding adhesive
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Posted 2010-01-01 10:00 AM (#203178 - in reply to #201733)
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thanks for your advice Waine , you mean to put sealant before folding the edge ??
here in italy, Is possible find the body sealer ....
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Posted 2010-01-01 10:14 AM (#203179 - in reply to #203178)
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the frame is cleaned. intends to put the sealant into the edge where I indicated with the arrow ???

 

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Posted 2010-01-01 10:26 AM (#203181 - in reply to #201733)
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Sealant is ok, but the down side of it is, if you need to twist or or the door moves that bond/barrier will be broken allowing the possiblity of corrision to start. If you got a supplier that you get you body materials from such as 3M, LORD Fusor, SEM ask for metal bond adhesive with glass beads. You would put it all the way around that edge, after bothsides are rough up (50grit) to bare steel. Put the adhesive on both pieces with small brush coating both components so no bare steel is shown . Put your skin on, and roll the edge over. You will NOT have to do any welding after it cures clean it up and address the edges/prime/paint
Metal adheives have been used on aircraft for years. Its a common practice with cars today also
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Posted 2010-01-01 10:51 AM (#203182 - in reply to #201733)
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're right, but with this procedure you can not afford to fail the roll, if you have to reopen after... a tragedy ...... or not ??

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Posted 2010-01-01 2:14 PM (#203218 - in reply to #201733)
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If you roll the edge properly there should be no reason to open that seam. Thats why it important to fit the door to the car and if your flexable enough roll it while on the car. If you got one of the rollers used with a air ratchet, make sure you clean real good when done, even if you use a hammer/dolly clean them too. Rubber gloves might be a good idea also
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Posted 2010-01-01 6:19 PM (#203254 - in reply to #203218)
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You guys are either really brave or ..... !

So, how does one take the skin off a door ? Is the skin destroyed in the process ? Tell more about the tools used to do this operation. This is new territory for me.

Door skins, .... are they available as reproduction panels ?
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Posted 2010-01-01 7:13 PM (#203261 - in reply to #201733)
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Common practice for removing skins, is to grind the edge until the seam splits, or you see 3 layers of metal. On older cars such as these. you will not find adhesives, sealers or ahything, but rust inside them. Thats why older cars the doors began to "flap" they rotted away. Water got between the seams, no where to go and corrosion starts. This is real common in the area in which I live. You have salt on roads during winter and now some sort of chemical that they spray on the roads is worse.
If one wast oremove a skin, its border line foolish to me. The only reason to replace a skin is for the damage being more severe that its not worth straightening, or its rusted. So if you found a good door with a nice skin, you should just use that door. I don't know if this caused more confusion or helps. The way I see it, is if its made of wood steel plastic or alum you can do anything with it
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Posted 2010-01-01 7:32 PM (#203266 - in reply to #203261)
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I have no shortage of doors. We don't have that rust problem.

So, to walk through the process anyway ...

You grind the edge to peel the old skin, thereby destroying the skin by losing that bent over flange part that you would need to put the skin back on, right ?

So, with the skin removed, you could now blast and clean the door interior before painting.

With the door all pretty inside, you could now replace the skin, but with the original destroyed, you now need to find a replacement !

What is the point if no skin replacement is available ?
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Posted 2010-01-01 8:14 PM (#203277 - in reply to #203266)
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Thats the whole idea. If you got a good door there no need to remove the skin. Simply pointless to do so. BUT,.....if one is really bent on painting theinside of the door shell, you could drill the spot welds thru the first layer only. Spend painstaking time and turmoil and slowly unbend the flange and work the skin off the shell. By doing all this, you have created a new monster, warping the outer sheetmetal. So now when you go to put that skin back on you have more work for yourself. If you got a good door use it. If you got replacement skins use them. Or if you really like making things difficult on yourself take the skin off either way and spend about 20-30 extra hours of needless work in your project.
A little side note, I have in the past with car from the 30's when making consistant gaps, either ground awy some of the edge and weld it back together, or if there was more needed, weld to the existing edge
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Posted 2010-01-02 2:09 AM (#203319 - in reply to #201733)
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Guys , good consideration, replace these skins is for big impact irreparable or so rusty
it, although not easy to find door skin,..... I can not proceed because these days you can not find the sealant indicated by Wain, you can just put more pictures..... Waine ,I only have my doubts about how to fold the edge, I don't have machines for rolling, I thought to heat and hammering

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Posted 2010-01-02 7:24 AM (#203333 - in reply to #201733)
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Raffaelle,
The steel is soft enough that yopu need no heat. Put a good smooth flat dolly on the outside edge of the door. Hammer the edge over in slow increments about 6" at a time until its completely flat. Once you get it flat in a area make that path longer. IMPORTANT!! Do all 4 corners FIRST then bottom then front or rear of door
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Posted 2010-01-02 8:11 AM (#203334 - in reply to #201733)
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...Or, with the modern assembly adhesives in use today, you could reuse the doorskin...
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Posted 2010-01-04 2:37 PM (#203743 - in reply to #201733)
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 Sealant ( i have found only body sealant )

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Posted 2010-01-04 3:24 PM (#203751 - in reply to #203743)
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Hej Raffaele must say -You do a very serios jobb at your DeSoto conv. Fun to see a nice resultat.
And I read you Wayne you can also metall work.
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Posted 2010-01-04 3:41 PM (#203757 - in reply to #201733)
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thanks!! Windsor59!!
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Posted 2010-01-04 3:45 PM (#203758 - in reply to #203743)
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Raffaele, this is an impressive work - the concentration shows in your face (did you bite your tounge ) sei un cinghiale bianco - un lavoro di un artista!
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Posted 2010-01-04 8:20 PM (#203803 - in reply to #201733)
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Very nice work! This kind of craftmanship is a must when tackling such a Big project, keep up the good work Ralf and Happy new year!

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Posted 2010-01-04 11:07 PM (#203837 - in reply to #203803)
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Your a braver man than I Gunga Din. But what I can see your capable. A question about the quarters, are they
reasonably good and who sells them . thanx and good luck
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Posted 2010-01-10 12:50 PM (#204613 - in reply to #201733)
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Posted 2010-01-24 2:57 AM (#206481 - in reply to #201733)
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Rear quarter is for sale on ebay !! reproduced quite well, no big problems to mount
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Posted 2010-01-24 3:15 AM (#206482 - in reply to #201733)
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Hello ! other pics .. , hood was bent near the hinges, realigned and reinforced

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Posted 2010-01-24 6:50 AM (#206492 - in reply to #201733)
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As always, its very interesting to follow the work of a craftsman! I don't like the hood reinforcement thought ...

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Posted 2010-01-24 7:06 AM (#206495 - in reply to #201733)
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the 2 edges of the hood was very bent ... I could not do otherwise, the plate was unnerved
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Posted 2010-01-24 8:47 AM (#206503 - in reply to #201733)
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Posted 2010-03-07 6:40 AM (#212822 - in reply to #201733)
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hello Guys !! , if anyone have photos of the convertible folding, I would need to rebuild my... thanks
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Posted 2010-03-07 10:15 AM (#212834 - in reply to #201733)
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Raffaele, I emailed the picture of a Folding top on a 59 Chrysler to you that I had on file. (to help me put mine back together...) I will post it here for all. I believe I have one more to find, but have not located it yet , but I should find it shortly.





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Posted 2010-03-07 10:54 AM (#212836 - in reply to #201733)
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thhhanks !! is very important for me !!! if you have more pics of detail ....
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Posted 2010-03-07 10:57 AM (#212837 - in reply to #201733)
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i need also all windshield molding , in my Desoto is missing , very hard to find
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Posted 2010-03-07 11:16 AM (#212838 - in reply to #201733)
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I can take a picture of my 59 Plymouth moulding it is off the vehicle, well mostly off and somewhat on...

I have some pictures of Tom Fox's gorgeous 59 Belvedere when he was in Denver on his way to Carlisle. It is a 98/99 points car. These pictures coming up are of Tom's car.

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Posted 2010-03-07 11:29 AM (#212839 - in reply to #201733)
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Tom Fox's 59 Belvedere:

Shoot the file is to big, I will email them to you now and try to reduce the size so all can see these. I will also go out the garage and take some pictures of my A pillar and Windshield inner and outer convertible pieces.

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Posted 2010-03-07 12:27 PM (#212843 - in reply to #201733)
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Raffaele, I just sent you some pictures via email of the A pillar trim and convertible header inside an outside pieces.
Again the size of the file is to big to post.

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Posted 2010-03-07 1:22 PM (#212845 - in reply to #212822)
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hello Guys !! , if anyone have photos of the convertible folding, I would need to rebuild my... thanks


I will look after pics frome my top frame renovaiting and I have some ather pics from athers top frames.

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Posted 2010-03-12 2:24 AM (#213500 - in reply to #201733)
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Raffaele! Here is some pic,s on the header bow!



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Posted 2010-03-13 1:46 PM (#213659 - in reply to #201733)
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this photos are the most interesting !!!I have to completely rebuild this part... my is very rust !! thank you very much
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Posted 2010-05-04 12:14 AM (#221582 - in reply to #201733)
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I can not believe I have just found this thread.
Yes this was my old ragtop, I found it just North of Batavia Iowa in a little farm junkyard way off the beaten path. here are pictures of it as I found it.

Yes it was rough but I could not believe my eyes when I saw it. I had been a 57 Desoto fan for years and had a 57 Adventurer hardtop in the garage at home when I found it so I had to have it. As you can see with the engine missing the tree was free to grow in it's place. The car left the factory as a white and gold car but the first owner wanted and black and gold car and could not find one so he had it repainted. Since it was his high school graduation present the parents wanted to make sure it was just right. The car was delivered to Hollywood Perkins Desoto Dealership in Wilmington CT but came to Iowa from Long Island NY in 1959. The title showed it as being black and gold when it came to Iowa.

Now for the story of why the car came to Iowa. In Fairfeild Iowa there used to be Parsons College (known to the locals as flunker heaven) where they believed in giving kids a second chace if they were booted out of some other college. And according to the brother of the original owner he got booted out of the LI school for using drugs in 1959. He was accepted for enrollment in Parsons and came to Iowa with his car to continue his education and evidently his party attitude because by late 1960 he was at the local Chrysler dealership trying to sell the car to the dealer after his dad cut him off after getting tired of him getting in trouble with the law and the school all the time. While he was at the dealership a couple from the neighboring town of Ottumwa was there to look at the new 61 Chryslers and ended up buying the car from the kid. He went on to complete his education and graduated then returned to New York where he designed race cars for a living. He raced at Oswego and is credited with making one of the first offset racing frames? His name was Howard Bishop Conkey

The second owners from Ottumwa is where I got a lot of information on the car (besides title searches) She ran the floral shop in town and he was the city streets super. She had a led foot and he would often hear about it til one day he got tired of it and had the local junk yard switch the dual quads to a single 4-barrel after a near accident by the John Deer plant that he heard about. She 30 years later called it a public castration to slow her down. Once while visiting her at the flower shop her daughter walked in and the mother started laughing. After she calmed down some and proceeded to tell us that she had been married for sometime and had not gotten pregnant but shortly after they purchased the car she was pregnant and she stated the daughter may have been concieved in the car. They sold it to another person a few years later and it was neglected until it ended up in the junkyard. The third owners thought they had the original hubcaps in the garage but they never found them. But they did apply for a duplicate title since it was still in thier name so I could get it transfered over to me.

About a year after I bought the car I was talking to a gearhead at the Cillicothe power plant North of Ottumwa and mentioned the car I had purchased and mentioned it was missing the motor. he told me about a guy in town that had a bunch of old Hemis so I waited till he got off work and met him at the garage. I told him where I got the car and he said yeah there it is. He said he got the motor ten years before from the Chrysler Adventurer convertible in that yard. I said you mean Desoto and he said no it was a Chrysler! I stopped right there it was not worth arguing him about it besides with the S26A stamped block I knew it almost had to be it. Then he said it was black and gold and I knew I had found the needle in the haystack. The motor was disassembled on the shelf since it was smoking bad he decided to do a rebuild and the parts would not fit so he put it on the shelf and forgot about it. He had been trying to use Chrysler hemi parts instead of Desoto so they did not fit! so he rebuilt another motor to use in hid rail at the at the Eddyville dragstrip instead of the smoking old Desoto motor. I tried to remain calm when I asked him "how much?" He told me he had paid $100 for it ten years before if he got his money back he would be happy. So I gladly paid the guy and used to adreniline high I was on to load the engine by myself in the back of my van in my three piece suit. And I did not give a darn as the grease smeared the front of it. I now had my factory #s matching motor back where it belonged.

Parts gathering. Over the years that I owned it I would go around Iowa buying out old parts inventories from Chrysler dealerships and body shops. The parts that fit my car would go on the shelf in the garage and the others would be sold to support my addiction. I had ammassed a heck of a lot of NOS parts including the door skin to replace the damaged orignal. All the lenses and most of the trim. All of the windshield trim was there when I sold it raffy? I even had a NOS piece for the lower corner driver side where the original was bent. NOS handles, Exhaust Venturis, steering wheel clock, record player and all. Heck I even had an Adventurer coupe for a parts car! The only major things I was missing was one air cleaner and some nice hubcaps. I had four that needed refinished. So basically I had the parts, I had the car but I did not have the money to do the job and a heck of a job it would be. I had an opportunity to buy a (one) NOS hubcap and when it sold for $600 I came to the realization that I was out of my league. I had one of the rarest most desirable forward look cars and one that I always dreamed of owning but what I did not have is the 6 figure salary to support the restoration costs so I made the decision to let it go. I made a very handsome profit over what I had in it so I paid a lot of bills and imported my UTEs from Australia. Sold the Plymouth UTE for what both cost me and have another rare Desoto that needs restored. At least this time it will be a simpler restoration since the UTE is based off the 54 Plymouth body parts are much cheaper and the car has no options othe than tinted glass I will be treating it to turn signals that it did not get from the factory since it is hard to take a corner, do hand signals with my right hand and shift with my left at the same time.

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Posted 2010-05-04 3:40 PM (#221678 - in reply to #201733)
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Thank you very much for these photo and information ...for me is very important ... i don't have the windshield moldings ... i think is missing ...i have a question... the tree that you speak is not seen in the photos .... has been cut?thank you very much for allRaffaele
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Posted 2010-05-04 6:22 PM (#221703 - in reply to #201733)
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It's a small tree. look by the windshield on the passenger side by the hood.
When I send you the original copies it will be easier to see.

The car had all of the windshiled moldings when I shipped it. It even had a NOS one to replace the bent one by the hood drivers side at the corner

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Posted 2010-05-04 6:26 PM (#221704 - in reply to #201733)
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Good luck on your project.
There is plenty of work, but for sure you will finish soon and with nice result!!!
Greetings from Spain.
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Posted 2010-05-09 7:49 AM (#222383 - in reply to #201733)
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Posted 2010-05-09 8:04 AM (#222385 - in reply to #201733)
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Posted 2010-05-09 6:05 PM (#222462 - in reply to #201733)
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you are VERY good at repairing cars, that´s for sure! keep up the good work you will be rewarded in the end. i´m looking forward to see your next "movie" on youtube starring 1957 desoto convertible;)
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Posted 2010-05-18 12:14 AM (#223902 - in reply to #201733)
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Nice car bud! That IS my dream car, '57 Adventurer convertible black and gold. You are very fortunate my friend! Nice job.
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Posted 2010-05-18 10:22 AM (#223923 - in reply to #201733)
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Just something to keep the spirit glowing Raffaele;)

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Posted 2010-05-18 3:49 PM (#223991 - in reply to #222385)
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Just saw your thread again now Rafaele - Porco Juda, che lavoro complimenti amico
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Posted 2010-05-18 7:51 PM (#224027 - in reply to #201733)
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Posted 2010-05-19 4:34 AM (#224060 - in reply to #201733)
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thank you guys!! next week I put on rotisserie like a chicken, so I can work better !!!


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Posted 2010-05-19 4:36 AM (#224061 - in reply to #201733)
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thanks for these pictures of adventurer black, black is my favorite color, but mine was originally white, are undecided about what color do....
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Posted 2010-05-19 8:56 AM (#224073 - in reply to #201733)
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That is one hell of a story behind this car, as told by Roadkillontheweb. I don't think you would be remiss in painting this one black, as she was painted black immediately upon delivery to the original owner.

Either way, it's going to be a stunning automobile, and one of the finest expressions of the Forward Look!
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Posted 2010-05-19 2:53 PM (#224113 - in reply to #201733)
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Hey, Morgan, if you (or anyone) have any more pics of that (still-original/Survivor/white-wheeled) 57 CRL vert,
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The car was featured in Olde Cars Weakly, and I contacted its owner, but he didn't want to come 'here' and
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Posted 2010-05-19 10:54 PM (#224200 - in reply to #201733)
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Posted 2010-06-28 12:52 AM (#229958 - in reply to #201733)
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The story behind the car might have just got a little more interesting.
I hate to bring up anything political on this forum but I thought this was interesting.

I got an email from someone that had read that my old Desoto Aventurer convertible was sold new at the Hollywood Perkins Desoto dealership in Wilmington Deleware. Following is the email.

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Just saw your article about your Desoto. I was searching for info about my Grandfather who died 2 months after I was born. His name was Colonel James F Hollywood, co-owner of the dealership you spoke of. I am trying to find some old pictures of his dealership. It is now a beaten up motorcycle club in what is now the worst part of Wilmington. Let me know if I can help you with any information. My Grandfather employed Joe Bidens father and uncle there in the 50's."

I was sceptical so I did a Wiki search on Joe and this was in the information about him.

"Biden's father had been very well-off earlier in his life, but had suffered several business reverses by the time Biden was born, and for several years the family had to live with Biden's maternal grandparents, the Finnegans. When the Scranton area went into economic decline during the 1950s, Biden's father could not find enough work. In 1953, the Biden family moved to an apartment in Claymont, Delaware, where they lived for a few years before moving to a house in Wilmington, Delaware. Joe Biden Sr. then did better as a used car salesman, and the family's circumstances were middle class"

So I would say that the information is credible, and the VPs dad worked at the desoto dealership when joe was a teenager. in another article the Vice president stated "Joe Jr. learned a number of lessons during his father’s lean years that he regularly cites in speeches and interviews. In his autobiography, he tells the story of his father quitting a job as sales manager for an auto dealership because the owner, who liked to reward his employees and customers with silver dollars, decided to amuse himself at the dealership’s Christmas party by spilling out a bucket of silver dollars on the dance floor to watch his workers scramble to scoop up the coins. Joe Sr. gathered up his wife and walked out, never to return." So it appears from this he was a sales manager at Hollywood Perkins? It is possible that Joe SR was involved in the sale of this car.

Just some interesting information! No political flamewar please!
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Posted 2010-07-24 6:43 PM (#234065 - in reply to #201733)
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Posted 2010-07-25 1:07 PM (#234177 - in reply to #201733)
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Hello Guys!! I have not had time to continue, this time I have a lot of work, however, put more photos of the left side as soon as possible , thanks !!
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Posted 2010-07-25 2:36 PM (#234199 - in reply to #201733)
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The metalwork is amazing. Very talented. Can't wait to see more photos. She's coming along really nicely.
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Posted 2010-08-04 2:30 PM (#235656 - in reply to #201733)
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  hello guys ! Body metal work is very difficult in this car , everything is destroy by rust , in some points don't have reference for rebuild....Raffaele  

 

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Posted 2010-08-04 2:34 PM (#235659 - in reply to #201733)
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Tomorrow I leave for  California for 20 days and go to the junkyard  Ernie , in Colton CA , have only mopar 50' 60'
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Posted 2010-08-04 2:38 PM (#235660 - in reply to #201733)
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Posted 2010-08-04 2:45 PM (#235661 - in reply to #235659)
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Raffael,

If you have a chance take some pictures, please.

Have fun !!!

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Posted 2010-08-04 2:46 PM (#235662 - in reply to #201733)
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Raffael,

If you have a chance take some pictures, please.

Have fun !!!

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Posted 2010-08-04 5:14 PM (#235674 - in reply to #201733)
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Like everyone else, Raffaele, I'm awestruck at the incredible job you're doing on this car. Thank you for posting all the pics and the video.

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Posted 2010-08-05 7:10 AM (#235731 - in reply to #201733)
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AHHH......You're doing a great job restoring my "dream car"........you just may be my hero.....
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raffaele you area true craftsman.... whatcan i say! i look at what you did to that 59 300e

and watch the video i get chills.....

but this - was once the ultimate fwd lk cruiser owned by a cool careless teenager!

who in desperation sold it in 1960. selling drugs on /off campus in long island...

i do know harlem in the 50's was a drug empire.

so he sold it they kept it til it broke down and let it rot in a field.. the man bought it

too much for him to handle... theres nothing left to start from! - fabrication on top of

fabrication! itll take at least 2 years - if not longer - but itll be perfect! better than it

was when new!

good job man!
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Posted 2010-08-05 7:11 PM (#235802 - in reply to #201733)
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Looks like your restoring everyone's dream car:) Superb work to say the least. Enjoy the vacation to CA and good luck at the yards you encounter.
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Posted 2010-08-07 10:00 AM (#235984 - in reply to #201733)
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Raffa, that's some amazing work.

You'll probably never again be as challenged to restore some car, again.

I'll also bet that you dream about someday being able to assemble a complete car from its NOS individual parts---a "knocked
down" car being discovered somewhere---the ULTIMATE model car!




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Posted 2010-08-07 12:29 PM (#235994 - in reply to #235984)
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This is about the only type of restoration I have ever known. Few FL cars survived the NW rain
without a lot of rust. My DeSoto came from Syracuse, NY and had rust repair done as early as 1960 !
By 1968, when the car was finally removed from service, the floors and trunk were gone, the lower
had holes in it you could fit your fist through, and the headlight buckets stood free of gaping jagged
edges where the fenders were receding.

When it comes to certain types of cars, you take what you can find. I hunted for 15 years to find
my Fireflite, and this was in search of parts for a far worse Adventurer !

Heavy body work like this is fun, once you get your mind past the "OMG!" of it. It takes special tools
like any part of restoration, but cutting, heating, pounding, and bending metal into shapes and welding
it together to fill in the removed crusty stuff delivers a satisfaction I get like in no other part of the process.

Raffael, your photos are inspiring and make me impatient to finish my shop so that I can pick up on my
very similar project again.
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Posted 2010-11-14 11:15 AM (#249474 - in reply to #201733)
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Hello ! Guys !!unfortunately I had to stop this job for a few months, now it begins again, with the floor! , The rear sides are pretty ok, I have good news, the old owner after many years he found a box with all the missing pieces... all molding .... plus other parts that were missing, now I have problems with left rear floor, those I've purchased are completely different .... I do not understand, I think I rebuild it with my hands, if anyone has any photos published of DeSoto 57th floor .... Thanks to all

 

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Your body work is out of this world!!!! Bravo!!!
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Posted 2010-11-14 12:21 PM (#249487 - in reply to #201733)
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Great to hear the other parts were finally found. I know they were all there when the car left my house.
Some of the convertible specific parts would be very difficult to replace.

Not sure if this will help with the floor? http://kotisivu.dnainternet.net/mtl65/pics/Des57Adv4-91_2.jpg but I am sure some others will have pictures of the floors on a Chrysler or Desoto Convertible going through floor replacement.
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Posted 2010-11-14 1:34 PM (#249494 - in reply to #249474)
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 Doctor, I read your comment right now, you're right, this work is tiring but satisfying, to see the car reborn ....
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Posted 2010-11-16 8:44 PM (#249785 - in reply to #201733)
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Raffa, WE are seeing it, YOU are making-it be reborn!!!!

Your family is not related to Michael Angelo? No, wait; he's from New Jersey!



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 Doctor, I read your comment right now, you're right, this work is tiring but satisfying, to see the car reborn ....


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I break this kind of work down into small "steps" and set my mind to just taking each little task as an evening's
work. If I run long, then I finish it up the next night. Pretty soon, a whole area is done and I look back and think
"Well, that wasn't so bad!".

Building my shop has been the same kind of thing. Overwhelmingly huge, but I just keep picking away at it and
when I go back to the thread and see all the pictures, it is pretty amazing how far I have come.

I appreciate your photos because where you are is inspiring for me to finish the shop so I can do that same work
on my car ! Please keep them coming.
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Posted 2010-11-20 2:25 PM (#250288 - in reply to #201733)
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 This is a never ending story .... even frames are destroyed ... also tunnel....I'm reconstructing the inner rockers  and transverse frames, then put the rear floor

 

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Posted 2010-11-26 1:40 AM (#250860 - in reply to #201733)
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Hello Guys !! ,  anyone has any pictures of  front and rear floor  and inner rokers? I have no references .. is very difficult ...

now I'm thinking of placing the body on frame, or I might make some mistakes, what do you think?

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Posted 2010-11-26 3:37 AM (#250868 - in reply to #250860)
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Hi I can looking at my paper foto album from my renovaiting at this week end and scan it down to you. Maby I have some pics from the rear floor.
I think the body is same as 57-59 conv?

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Posted 2010-11-26 6:09 AM (#250872 - in reply to #201733)
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thank you very much !!! i wait

 

 

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Posted 2010-11-28 9:52 AM (#251120 - in reply to #201733)
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Posted 2010-11-28 6:23 PM (#251161 - in reply to #201733)
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Man, that's a TON of work! But your doing an excellent job of it. The only one I recall seeing with more rust was CallingDrLove's Plymouth.

What you're going to have is a great car once it's completed. AWESOME!!

Ripper
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Posted 2010-11-30 7:20 AM (#251327 - in reply to #251161)
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Hi
Here are some pictures on my floor at the Windsor 59 and the red 300C or D?. I have also mailed you a lot of pictures, hope you get no help from the photos.

Would like to ask if there is someone who has the black cover plate as you can see the red 300c or D? Also available as a brakets of the plate that holds power window motor, but if anyone has a typical plate (not for power) for sale ok. Look the same on the conv and 2ht. Have not any of my Windsor would like to buy 2 pcs. (All pw parts was lost when I bought the car in 1999)

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Posted 2010-11-30 1:13 PM (#251365 - in reply to #201733)
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Raffaele checkout this resto it might be of some help, they are doing a 58 chrysler convertible!
http://www.acar-inc.com/pages/gallery

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Posted 2010-11-30 4:17 PM (#251389 - in reply to #201733)
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i'm Very happy for this help , Mogge and Windsor , thanks !! this is a very professional restoring , this photos is very important for my floors
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Posted 2010-12-03 11:11 AM (#251750 - in reply to #201733)
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Hi.

Check out this link. There is few rust repair pics of my 57 Chrysler.
http://rides.webshots.com/album/570314657yvPLTF

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Posted 2010-12-03 3:19 PM (#251781 - in reply to #201733)
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Ary , you're making these body work? congratulations! is very nice job on your C , is good help for my work , i think my Adventurer was worse than your...

how long it takes for this job?

Now I'm working in the warehouse where it is too cold, I believe that suspending this work, so I'll work on the convertible frame, which is completely destroyed
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Posted 2010-12-03 4:13 PM (#251789 - in reply to #201733)
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when raffa the artistan, is finally done - what a beauty it'll be - i can hardly wait! if he comes to the states we have to give

him some kind of an award... the orig. owner who built motors for drag cars, if he were alive to see it!!!
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Posted 2010-12-06 4:12 AM (#252071 - in reply to #251781)
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Ary , you're making these body work? congratulations! is very nice job on your C , is good help for my work , i think my Adventurer was worse than your...

how long it takes for this job?

Now I'm working in the warehouse where it is too cold, I believe that suspending this work, so I'll work on the convertible frame, which is completely destroyed


No, my friend Kartsa make the body work. It takes approx. 400hrs. You can find his other works using search key "sledanette"
My whole C project took 4 and half years and it still need little work.



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Posted 2010-12-06 7:33 PM (#252180 - in reply to #201733)
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Posted 2010-12-07 12:15 AM (#252246 - in reply to #252180)
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Mogge.

He is not Kartsa on the upper picture. He is mr. Kurt McCormick in Kartsa's Sledanette.
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Posted 2010-12-07 12:16 PM (#252289 - in reply to #201733)
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oooops SORRY! Tell the "real" Kartsa he´s the best fu%#"ng welder, carbuilder i´ve seen in a long time! Awesome Resto on your car and supernice Buick customcar! Raffaele hope youre not mad beacause i hijacked your thread! keep up the great job on that Desoto!

Here is some compensation...................


345 bhp, 345 cu. in. Hemi V-8 with dual quads, automatic transmission with pushbutton shifter on dash, independent torsion bar front suspension, Hotchkiss style 8¾-inch rear axle with 3.54:1 differential gears, gold turbine look full wheel covers. Wheelbase: 126"

- One of the finest restored examples ever offered for sale
- The product of a cost-no-object, four-year restoration by Gilbert Probes
- The top-of-the-line example from the DeSoto lineup for 1957

“The perfect rust-free body if ever there was one,” is how Milton Robson describes this 1957 DeSoto Adventurer convertible. “When I bought it, the car had original paint. There was a little primer showing through the tops of the fenders.” He found this extremely rare DeSoto in a warehouse in California, where the climate had been very kind to the car after so many years.

Finding such a low-production, highly sought-after performance car from the 1950s was high excitement. For Robson, there was no more desirable DeSoto ever built than this model. One could go as far as to say that the DeSoto Adventurer is an American “exotic” from the 1950s.

With the division’s top Hemi V-8 under the hood, the Adventurer was an early muscle car with a set of the most aesthetically pleasing tail fins ever seen on virtually any car. Introduced in mid-model year 1956, the Adventurer was DeSoto’s top-of-the-line performance flagship. However, the ’56 Adventurer came out at the tail end of a generation of DeSotos with a more bulbous shape. The newly engineered 1957 ushered in a new “Forward Look” for all Chrysler Corporation models in a longer, lower and wider package. The 1957s have stood the test of time. In the 1950s, fins were de rigueur and echoed the public’s fascination with the possibility of space travel. The ’57 model Plymouth, Dodge, Chryslers and DeSotos had the appearance of a sleek rocket, ready to blast off.

DeSoto introduced their 1957 Adventurer in December of 1956, two months after debuting the other models. Traditional launch in those days was late September to early October. Obviously, DeSoto did not want their very special Adventurer to share the spotlight with the bread and butter sedans and coupes.

Based on the Fireflite, the Adventurer came with specified color combinations of white with black and a gold side sweep and roof or gold with a white or black side sweep and roof. DeSoto used ample doses on the car for more identification, such as the grille mesh being gold anodized. The “DESOTO” letters on the front of the hood are gold, as is the stylized DeSoto emblem on the middle of the hood. In past model years, this emblem had been a fairly accurate depiction of Hernando DeSoto’s coat of arms.

On the 1957 Adventurer, they diluted the lines for this famous logo. Recognized as the first European to cross the Mississippi River, DeSoto was the ultimate Adventurer in North America, and hence the Adventurer became the ultimate DeSoto. This logo also appears in gold on the black center of the full wheel covers. DeSoto called these covers “Turbine” style. Painted gold, they lend a real show car appearance, and no other car had them.

More gold “DESOTO” lettering appears on the rear decklid. Five stainless steel strips accent the top of the trunk. The most stylish identification comes on the sides of the tailfins where the Adventurer logo appears written in flowing style with letters joined together. Just ahead of this cursive script is a logo featuring crossed flags and a gold V accented by gold wings. Another Adventurer crest appears on each front fender, just ahead of the doors. In the center of this emblem is the highly diluted, but regal, Hernando DeSoto coat of arms. Uniquely, every Adventurer convertible top was gold.

Inside the ****pit, DeSoto inset the light gold seats (60/40 up front) with gold and white tweed in the seated portion of the benches, front and rear. They carried this theme into the door panels. The labor-intensive stitched pattern of the upper door panels reveals the workmanship of the American auto industry of the 1950s. DeSoto had a reputation for building interiors of early American parlor quality and ambience. The Adventurer bridged the gap between old American charm, the rocket age of tailfins and the impending horsepower race.

DeSoto gave special attention to the engine. The Hemi in the Fireflite was a 295-horsepower, 341-cubic inch V-8 with a single four-barrel carburetor. DeSoto engineers bored the 341 to 345 cubic inches and installed dual quads to produce 345 horsepower, or one horsepower per cubic inch. DeSoto showcased this achievement in their Adventurer, the same as Chrysler did with their “300.”

Essentially, the DeSoto was the division’s flagship, offered in coupe and convertible body styles. There were no four-door sedans. The Adventurer was to DeSoto what the “300” letter series was to Chrysler. Both were the top performance models and tested top speed on the sands at Daytona. No doubt, the new-for-1957 torsion bar front suspension (springs in the back) helped these two tons of gorgeous tailfins maneuver down the road. They were heavy duty on the Adventurer.

The Adventurer coupe retailed for $3,997 in base form. The Adventurer convertible was the highest priced DeSoto in the lineup at $4,272. Options such as a record player (called the Hi-Way Hi-Fi), electric windows and six-way power seat pushed the price up even further. Every Adventurer came with the famous push-button automatic transmission. Factory records show DeSoto built exactly 1,650 Adventurer coupes and 300 Adventurer convertibles in 1957. Milton sought out a convertible due to its rarity and more glamorous body style.

Starting with what might have been the very best combination of rust-free body and chassis in a 1957 Adventurer, Robson sent the car to Gilbert Probes for a four-year, ground-up restoration.

Milton is not prone to hyperbole, but of this 1957 DeSoto he said, “Gilbert Probes restored this car for me, took about four years. He is particular as hell. I believe this is without a doubt the finest one in the world.” The car has remained in absolutely perfect condition. It needs nothing and is show ready and road worthy in every respect. It is hard, if not impossible, to argue with Milton’s description of this particular example. This is without question the finest example RM Auctions has ever had the pleasure of offering for sale.



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Posted 2010-12-09 7:31 AM (#252552 - in reply to #201733)
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no problem Mogge !!

this very nice car, I know, has been sold to a very high price
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Posted 2010-12-09 12:42 PM (#252580 - in reply to #251327)
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As far as the missing plates go my convertible is also missing the left side one.
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Posted 2011-02-23 3:35 PM (#262119 - in reply to #201733)
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 Hello Guys  i had to change garages and move all the cars ... then it was too cold, now we start again !!! fender installed for rocker allignement

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Posted 2011-02-23 4:34 PM (#262131 - in reply to #201733)
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I wish ya all the best at the new place. Good luck with all your work ya'll do. Your current project Adventurer Convertibe looks good.

Happy motoring!

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Posted 2011-04-03 2:07 AM (#266939 - in reply to #201733)
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 Look Guys !!  , this is the center frame of the rear seats , completly rebuild

 

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Posted 2011-04-07 3:19 PM (#267481 - in reply to #201733)
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Posted 2011-04-08 2:38 AM (#267541 - in reply to #267481)
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from scratch, but this is like making your own jigsaw puzzle ! Ouch !
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Posted 2011-04-08 4:37 AM (#267545 - in reply to #201733)
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Posted 2011-05-29 10:57 AM (#274413 - in reply to #201733)
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 Hello Guys !! Body is on the frame !!  body exterior is finished .... need only fix the dent on the left side , and rebuild front pan floor and body mount floor , look photos ...

 

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Will you keep this car black/gold, or return it to original white/gold ?
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Posted 2011-05-29 11:44 AM (#274420 - in reply to #201733)
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Hello Raffy

It looks very good! Congratulatione! All the best wishes to Italy!

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Posted 2011-05-29 12:29 PM (#274428 - in reply to #201733)
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Amazing Work!

That's gonna be one beautiful convertible when you are finished.

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Posted 2011-05-29 4:47 PM (#274453 - in reply to #201733)
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Posted 2011-06-02 4:04 PM (#275110 - in reply to #201733)
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Hello !! I do not want to sell this car ... for color are undecided .. I do not know what to do ... but I think Black - gold
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Posted 2011-06-02 4:32 PM (#275114 - in reply to #275110)
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Must feels GOOD now. Great works. Funny to see all pics at your DeSoto renovaiting.
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Posted 2011-06-09 2:43 PM (#276154 - in reply to #201733)
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Posted 2011-06-09 3:38 PM (#276161 - in reply to #201733)
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Posted 2011-06-09 5:30 PM (#276180 - in reply to #276161)
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Looks like a 'nice' typical "OEM" fitment of the decklid, there, Raffa, but, you're gonna take care of THAT situation,
huh?



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Posted 2011-11-06 8:43 AM (#295158 - in reply to #201733)
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hello !!  excuse my absence, but I have not had much time ... in the meantime I have almost finished the floor and we also started the preparation and filling

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Posted 2011-11-06 11:50 AM (#295172 - in reply to #201733)
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Guys anyone know Wayne R Graefen ? I have a book on the restoration of ADV written by him
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Posted 2011-11-06 12:02 PM (#295174 - in reply to #201733)
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Wow!! Looking great!! When you are done, I'll ship over my Chrysler and you can get started on it!!
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Posted 2011-11-06 12:37 PM (#295178 - in reply to #201733)
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Thank you Brad !!
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Posted 2011-11-06 4:33 PM (#295203 - in reply to #201733)
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Wayne is a member here. He'll chime in I guess.

Good progress on the Desoto!
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Posted 2011-11-06 10:25 PM (#295242 - in reply to #201733)
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Looking GREAT!
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Posted 2011-11-10 11:41 AM (#295617 - in reply to #201733)
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Posted 2011-11-10 3:03 PM (#295641 - in reply to #201733)
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Now i'm working on convertible folding , is completly destroyed ... i dont know .. is very difficult rebuild this, also wood insert on the top of frame for install the top ..

i'm very undecide for the color ....Black and gold .....Gold and white ....or White and gold ???

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Posted 2011-11-12 11:11 PM (#295945 - in reply to #295172)
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Yes, I know him. Email me privately at: george@mckovich.com and I will provide contact info.

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Posted 2011-11-13 3:23 AM (#295965 - in reply to #295641)
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Now i'm working on convertible folding , is completly destroyed ... i dont know .. is very difficult rebuild this, also wood insert on the top of frame for install the top ..

i'm very undecide for the color ....Black and gold .....Gold and white ....or White and gold ???



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When you figure out a good way to restore rust-destroyed top bows, you will have an attentive
audience with me and many others !

Black with gold is the only way to go, in my opinion, .... especially with your car's history. But
that said, how about gold with black ? I know of at least ONE surviving 56 in this color combo.
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Posted 2011-11-13 5:47 AM (#295969 - in reply to #201733)
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Hello Raffa

It depends on what color you plan to color your Adventure Convertible. I would prefer black - gold like Doctor DeSoto wrote.

Good luck with your wonderful project car. I'm a follower and like the progress and the state of the Adventure you achieved actually.

Happy Motoring!

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Posted 2011-11-13 7:56 AM (#295973 - in reply to #201733)
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Guys , original color is not Black-Gold !! from factory is white and gold , before one or two year this car was repainted black and gold ... but original is white and gold ...., i like black and gold , and gold and white , i dont like my original white and gold .....
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Posted 2011-11-13 10:39 AM (#295983 - in reply to #295973)
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95% or more of the 56-58 Adventurers were white with gold. At the time, the white paint
stuck out dramatically on the street and denoted high performance. By the 60's, it meant
nothing more than any other color.
But your car has a great story about how it came to be black and gold. If the car were mine,
I'd need no more excuse to paint it black and gold. But that is just me.
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Posted 2011-11-14 2:56 PM (#296115 - in reply to #201733)
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<p> </p><p>some photos of convertible folding </p><p> </p><p>http://img444.imageshack.us/slideshow/webplayer.php?id=1957desotoadventurercon.jpg</p>

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Posted 2011-11-14 4:25 PM (#296124 - in reply to #296115)
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Hi!
I see at your pics the broken bow. A guy in sweden make new bows only the two in middle. (not the front top header and the rear)

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Posted 2011-11-14 4:38 PM (#296126 - in reply to #296124)
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Hi!
I see at your pics the broken bow. A guy in sweden make new bows only the two in middle. (not the front top header and the rear)


Yes! Very good quality, I might add!

---John
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Posted 2011-11-14 7:43 PM (#296165 - in reply to #296126)
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Raffa, you have to ask yourself: Self, am I restoring this car, or am I glamming it up (Black/Gold) to maximize
its re-sale WOW-factor?




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Posted 2011-11-17 7:49 PM (#296478 - in reply to #201733)
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Amazing work going on there! The last 57 Adventurer I saw in person was my father-in laws coupe. It was white with gold sweep. Not sure exactly where it ended up going when sold but could be local. I'll start asking around.

Wayne's known as "stilloutthere" if you want to contact him Raffy.

Good luck and great work!!!
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Posted 2011-11-18 1:48 AM (#296501 - in reply to #296165)
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Raffa, you have to ask yourself: Self, am I restoring this car, or am I glamming it up (Black/Gold) to maximize
its re-sale WOW-factor?


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or a third option .... the car was painted this color very early on by a significant owner

or a fourth option .... you are doing the car the way YOU like it.


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Posted 2011-11-18 3:31 AM (#296510 - in reply to #201733)
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You right Guys , i don't think of resale this car .... i think paint in Black and Gold , i like
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Posted 2011-11-18 7:14 AM (#296516 - in reply to #201733)
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Black and Gold



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Posted 2011-11-18 8:28 AM (#296521 - in reply to #296516)
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Just remember, no matter how you paint it, you're still stuck with a yucky
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Posted 2011-11-18 9:13 AM (#296524 - in reply to #201733)
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Wow , Black and gold is incredible !! very impact !! , im decide for black and gold ! where you find this photos ?? is sweden car ??
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Posted 2011-11-18 3:10 PM (#296556 - in reply to #201733)
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Posted 2011-11-18 7:37 PM (#296583 - in reply to #296521)
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Doctor DeSoto - 2011-11-18 8:28 AM Just remember, no matter how you paint it, you're still stuck with a yucky old DeSoto !

 

Yeah, that's a yucky old Desoto.  That is if 'yucky' is the new slang for 'totally awesome'!!!

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Posted 2011-11-19 1:39 PM (#296651 - in reply to #296583)
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some photos of front floor ...front floor buy on ebay ...seats support is realized with handle ..

 

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Posted 2011-12-11 6:22 AM (#299348 - in reply to #201733)
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rebuilding of  the front frame , was very bad, thanks for your photos , was very important for this  ...need only wood lock on the front .. ,the side parts are aluminium , i welded ..someone told me that a guy for reproduce center folding ??  you have contact ? i dont know if fix my or change ... how much ?? wich folding ??  center ? rear ??

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Posted 2011-12-11 9:22 AM (#299358 - in reply to #201733)
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This is a Amazing restoration ! Keep up the great work it looks like it will be a FIN TASTIC ride when done! HAPPY MOTORING! Victor.
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Posted 2011-12-11 9:22 AM (#299359 - in reply to #201733)
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This is a Amazing restoration ! Keep up the great work it looks like it will be a FIN TASTIC ride when done! HAPPY MOTORING! Victor.
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Posted 2011-12-12 10:41 PM (#299515 - in reply to #299348)
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Raffaele
Contact me directly at: george@mckovich.com

I can provide the source of the TWO center bows. I have purchased a set and they work perfectly... Just like originals.

George
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Posted 2011-12-14 1:02 PM (#299672 - in reply to #201733)
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Gold/black is also nice Raffaele! it would be a nice contrast to your black 1959 E coupe!



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Posted 2012-02-03 4:55 PM (#306283 - in reply to #201733)
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 Hello Guys !! 1 month for rebuild the convertible folding ... very difficult ... and we have install front parts ..inner and outer fender for check allignement ...very difficult ...now look like a car ??

 

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Posted 2012-02-03 5:06 PM (#306286 - in reply to #299672)
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Mogge65 ..  Gold is very nice ,i see this car in a auction ... if i remember .. that car is incredible ...my preferred color is Gold ...but im very undecided ..The fateful moment approaches , now the car is at my Body paint man for make the preparation before paint  ...im not able to paint a car .. everything ..but no paint ...

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Posted 2012-02-03 5:12 PM (#306288 - in reply to #201733)
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wow , but i look now that car is Gold and Black !!! not Gold and white ... this is the first time that i see this color combo .. was available ??
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Posted 2012-02-03 5:17 PM (#306289 - in reply to #201733)
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guys , if you look im the last photos attacched of my ADV ...from front right fender and right door .. allignement is not good ,also from door to rear quarter .. i think depend from center body mount from body to frame will need shims ...now allignement is very important before paint preparation ...this need more time of job
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Posted 2012-02-03 5:17 PM (#306290 - in reply to #306286)
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The inner fenders are painted in dark gray, right?

Raffa, have you confirmed with one of the 57 DeSoto guys how your car was OEM painted?




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Posted 2012-02-03 5:21 PM (#306291 - in reply to #201733)
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Sorry , i dont confirmed ...I was talking about the pictures published by Mogge of Gold and Black ... my Desoto OEM color is White and gold , sorry for my english
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Posted 2012-02-03 5:24 PM (#306292 - in reply to #306290)
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i dont know if inner  fender is painted gray ... i dont think ,,,  i think black like my 300E ... all under the hood is like exterior paint , inner fender wheel side is like floor undercoating ....Black

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Posted 2012-02-03 5:57 PM (#306295 - in reply to #306292)
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I'll see what I can do, for you, on the painting of your car.



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Posted 2012-02-03 6:03 PM (#306296 - in reply to #201733)
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Inner fenders should be a medium-to-dark gray, both on the engine side AND on the wheel side, NOT black!!!

Raffaele, have you checked the link I sent you yet for the pictures I started to post of your car, to eventually hook up onto my 1957 DeSoto website? I was waiting for some feedback from you before going further...

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Posted 2012-02-03 8:20 PM (#306316 - in reply to #201733)
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Boungirno, Great work Raffaele, you are an inspiration to us all. I'm sure we are all waiting to see which colour scheme you finalize on.
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Posted 2012-02-04 1:29 AM (#306363 - in reply to #306316)
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Raffaele -

When aligning the doors to the quarter, it's a good idea to have power window assemblies already installed in doors, since they weigh the door down a bit. Also, if you are using the Gary Goers door rubber, it is too dense and will cause your doors to stick out. We had a lot of trouble with it after my body shop had aligned the doors perfectly without the rubber. I would like to find an alternative to the GG door rubber that has the same profile, but is softer.

Ron

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Posted 2012-02-05 7:32 AM (#306473 - in reply to #306296)
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57desoto - 2012-02-04 12:03 AM Inner fenders should be a medium-to-dark gray, both on the engine side AND on the wheel side, NOT black!!! Raffaele, have you checked the link I sent you yet for the pictures I started to post of your car, to eventually hook up onto my 1957 DeSoto website? I was waiting for some feedback from you before going further...

 WOW , FENDER COLOR  PAINT IS DIFFERENT FROM CHRYSLER ?? THEREFORE INNER AND OUTSIDE OF FENDER IS DARK GREY ?? BUT UNDERCOATING  OR ONLY PAINT ?? EDWARD , YOU ADD MY PHOTOS ?? THANKS !! BUT I DONT FIND IN YOUR WEBSITE .... LET ME KNOW

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Posted 2012-02-05 7:35 AM (#306474 - in reply to #306363)
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ronbo97 - 2012-02-04 7:29 AM

Raffaele -

When aligning the doors to the quarter, it's a good idea to have power window assemblies already installed in doors, since they weigh the door down a bit. Also, if you are using the Gary Goers door rubber, it is too dense and will cause your doors to stick out. We had a lot of trouble with it after my body shop had aligned the doors perfectly without the rubber. I would like to find an alternative to the GG door rubber that has the same profile, but is softer.

Ron

 

OK RON THANK FOR YOUR ADVICE  , I WOULD HAVE TAKING .150" HIGHER FOR ALL WEIGHT OF DOOR MECHANISM , GLASS AND PANEL

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Posted 2012-02-05 9:35 AM (#306482 - in reply to #201733)
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Posted 2012-02-05 9:58 AM (#306484 - in reply to #201733)
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Guys let me know if these color is ok

 Chassis frame                       black semigloss

sunspension                           black semigloss

firewall                                    body exterior paint

hood on the back                    body exterior paint

trunk lid on the back              body exterior paint

inner fender engine side           grey dark semigloss

 inner fender wheel side           grey dark undercoating ???

 hood crossbar ( latch and radiator support )  black

undercoating of the floor ( BACK )         ????????grey dark or black ??

undercoating of the floor INTERIOR SIDE ( UPPER)   ??????????

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Posted 2012-02-07 7:36 AM (#306729 - in reply to #201733)
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If you REALLY want to be absolutely correct, (and NOBODY really does this), the underside (engine side) of the hood should stay in primer. For 1957 DeSotos, it was NOT painted body color, although everyone does it, including me. Some cars had an underhood mat glued to the underside BUT NOT fiberglas like is available from several places. The inner fender wheel side should be the dark gray UNLESS your body tag code says your car was undercoated, in which car it still is that gray, but covered over with an undercoating spray.

I'll re-send you the email about your car pictures. I didn't post them directly onto my "regular" sites, as I told you, because I've used up most of the available space there. However, I started ANOTHER site, which I'll link from the original, to your restoration pictures, once I get feedback from you that it's OK.
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Posted 2012-02-09 4:12 PM (#307111 - in reply to #201733)
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thenk you very much Edward !! ....yes you can link from your  website ...

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Posted 2012-02-09 4:17 PM (#307114 - in reply to #201733)
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guys , if is possible i need a mesure ... if someone have ..... from left seat hole on the floor .. to right holes on the floor ... need for rebuild front seats support ....
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Posted 2012-02-09 5:10 PM (#307123 - in reply to #307114)
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And, when Ed says "primer", all that anyone needs to do is have some finish enamel be formulated, that LOOKS like "primer".

There can be any sort of actual primer/sealer applied underneath that 'finish' coat (which merely happens to look like it is OEM
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Posted 2012-02-09 5:57 PM (#307129 - in reply to #307123)
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What color was the primer that the factory used?
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Posted 2012-02-09 6:38 PM (#307136 - in reply to #307129)
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Finsinthemirror - 2012-02-09 5:57 PM

What color was the primer that the factory used?


It varied. The factories often mixed left over paint into the primer. Should be a greyish color.
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Posted 2012-02-10 12:22 PM (#307234 - in reply to #201733)
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Just instaled the 2 center bows on my 59 Dodge fitts perfect.The guy how makes them is Mikael Isacsson ph nr 46-70-6537506 great guy he also makes trunkpanels for Mopar 57-59 also the panel that goes around steering and brake padel.
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Posted 2012-02-11 2:33 PM (#307426 - in reply to #201733)
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Guys ... Need a help !! if someone have mesure from left to right seat hole bolt on the floor
And if someone have a photo of front crossmember under the hood with latch and vertical bar to frame ...i don't have this ...
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Posted 2012-02-11 3:49 PM (#307431 - in reply to #307426)
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raffaplymouth - 2012-02-11 2:33 PM

Guys ... Need a help !! if someone have mesure from left to right seat hole bolt on the floor
And if someone have a photo of front crossmember under the hood with latch and vertical bar to frame ...i don't have this ...



Hi
I have this from a NY 57--59
If you need it you only pay me the shipping price.




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Posted 2012-02-12 1:10 AM (#307489 - in reply to #201733)
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Thank you Joakim !!  but i have your part ( my is little damaged ) .....  i need this i have attacched in this photo , is vertical bar from upper to middle  and from middle  to lower , is someone have photos  !!!  thanks

 

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Posted 2012-02-12 1:15 AM (#307490 - in reply to #201733)
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if someone have i buy !!

if someone have photo i build !!
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Posted 2012-02-12 1:34 AM (#307492 - in reply to #201733)
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Posted 2012-02-14 3:09 PM (#307816 - in reply to #201733)
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Posted 2012-02-14 3:11 PM (#307817 - in reply to #201733)
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now look like a car ??
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Posted 2012-02-14 3:14 PM (#307819 - in reply to #307234)
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1958 Hepcat - 2012-02-10 6:22 PM Just instaled the 2 center bows on my 59 Dodge fitts perfect.The guy how makes them is Mikael Isacsson ph nr 46-70-6537506 great guy he also makes trunkpanels for Mopar 57-59 also the panel that goes around steering and brake padel. Lars Strandheim Sweden

 i have receveid the same info from George .. i think is the same guy ... is assembly with wood ??  you have the email adress  of this guy ?? i have lost this .....



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Posted 2012-02-14 3:21 PM (#307820 - in reply to #201733)
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Yep, it looks like a nice car now. Big congratulation to your stamina (power of endurance) and your big, big effort to restore this rare car!

Happy Motoring!

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Posted 2012-03-24 4:11 PM (#313667 - in reply to #307820)
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Posted 2012-03-24 4:15 PM (#313668 - in reply to #201733)
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Posted 2012-03-24 7:42 PM (#313700 - in reply to #307817)
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raffaplymouth - 2012-02-14 3:11 PM

now look like a car ??


...now looks like molto bello carro! (sorry about my bad Italian)

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Posted 2012-03-25 10:52 AM (#313756 - in reply to #201733)
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Very Nice.

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Posted 2012-03-25 11:16 AM (#313764 - in reply to #201733)
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Posted 2012-03-25 11:23 AM (#313766 - in reply to #313700)
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FIN ME - 2012-03-25 1:42 AM
raffaplymouth - 2012-02-14 3:11 PM now look like a car ??
...now looks like molto bello carro! (sorry about my bad Italian) :) :)
YES !! IN ITALIAN THEY SAY " BELLA MACCHINA " !!  THANK YOU ... NOW METAL SHEET IS ALMOST READY ... THE NEXT WEEK I WILL CHECK THE CONVERTIBLE FOLDING ...BETWEEN 2 OR 3 WEEK AND I REMOVE BODY FROM CHASSIS , AND BODY IS READY TO PAINT !!!  I DONT KNOW WICH COLOR!!  IN THE MEANTIME I WILL WORK ON FRAME ....
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Posted 2012-03-25 12:36 PM (#313771 - in reply to #201733)
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NOW FOR SALE ON HEMMING'S

http://www.hemmings.com/classifieds/dealer/desoto/adventurer/136981...
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Posted 2012-03-25 4:00 PM (#313792 - in reply to #201733)
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Yes,

The prise for Adventurer Conv Rise a lot.

Greetings to Turino

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Posted 2012-03-25 4:31 PM (#313796 - in reply to #313792)
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Here some ather FL at same firm.
Many nice cars and high prices
http://www.hernandos-hideaway.com/Inventory_Restored.aspx
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Posted 2012-03-25 6:55 PM (#313809 - in reply to #201733)
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Nice work Raffaele, your Desoto is coming along well. Any color would be nice. Keep it up.
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Posted 2012-03-26 7:36 AM (#313869 - in reply to #201733)
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The Hemmings car is nice, and again, I'D LOVE TO OWN IT, but GEEZ, for a half-million, I'd want the correct color top, the correct hood (no center ornament on Adventurers), the radiator support painted black, and a fuel filter, at least!!!
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Posted 2012-03-26 12:48 PM (#313898 - in reply to #313869)
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57desoto - 2012-03-26 7:36 AM

...no center ornament on Adventurers...


Whaddyaknow, Ed...I never noticed that before. I learn more about DeSotos every day.



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Posted 2012-03-26 12:53 PM (#313899 - in reply to #201733)
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Raffaele, I just went back and looked again at the first photo of your Adventurer that you posted on this thread.

You are a MIRACLE worker!

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Posted 2012-03-26 1:14 PM (#313900 - in reply to #201733)
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Nice Job, Raffaele, wish I had a extra 1/2 mill laying around. Going to buy a mega-millions ticket. If I win you will be hearing from me.
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Posted 2012-03-26 4:00 PM (#313920 - in reply to #201733)
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Ed, you want to take another look at this Adventurer's transmission?

The hood hinges (and springs) both look like they are painted, rather than cad-plated.

So for .5MIL would any rich owner ever care to drive this car (except off and onto an enclosed car carrier)?






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Posted 2012-03-26 9:25 PM (#313982 - in reply to #201733)
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I know, Neal, but I don't want to say anything more about that car, 'cause some folks think that honest, constructive comments about correctness are intended to rip apart a vehicle. I don't mean anything of the sort, of course, only that a half-million ought to buy a car right in every detail (which it's not). Frankly, I think anyone that spends $500K for ANY car is out of his gourd, but that's my opinion. And no, that car won't be driven.
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Posted 2012-03-27 2:50 AM (#313997 - in reply to #201733)
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I do not know which person buy cars at these prices ... Edward i see some Adventurer with center hood ornament and some without ... i don't have ... but i dont', know if my hood is original ... i don't think ... i have only front hood ornament ...... now i working on convertible folding .... very difficult rebuilting
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Posted 2012-03-27 7:24 AM (#314006 - in reply to #201733)
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Adventurers do NOT have the pointed hood ornament. At least they SHOULD not! If one DOES, it's because the restorer thought incorrectly that it should. Most likely, a hood from a different series was used in place of the original Adventurer hood, and of course, THAT hood would be drilled for the ornament. So what do you do? You put an ornament on (when you SHOULD have closed up the holes and left the ornament off...)

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Posted 2012-03-28 10:07 PM (#314284 - in reply to #201733)
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It is great to see it coming together and getting the restoration I could not provide!
I ran across a couple photos of it in my garage before I sold it along with my 57 Adventurer coupe parts car.
This shows very well that it was a factory white gold car that was painted black.

Keep up the great work! If I ever make it to Italy, will you take me for a spin?



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Posted 2012-03-29 1:09 PM (#314352 - in reply to #296524)
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raffaplymouth - 2011-11-18 8:13 AM Wow , Black and gold is incredible !! very impact !! , im decide for black and gold ! where you find this photos ?? is sweden car ??

I recognize the location. This car was photographed at the Iola Old Car Show which is held every second week of July in Iola, Wisconsin.  No clue as the when the picture was taken though.

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Posted 2012-03-29 1:44 PM (#314358 - in reply to #201733)
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Wow Lee !!! im very happy for these new photos !! in which
year you took these pictures? i see transmission in car ... you have more photos ??
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Posted 2012-03-29 2:59 PM (#314365 - in reply to #314358)
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Hey, Raffaele, et al, I posed a question, here, that nobody has responded to.

As you are certainly well versed in restorations, I wonder what your advise is, about when to install and to adjust a convertible
top mechanism, to a vert-body?

Thanks!

http://www.forwardlook.net/forums/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=40848&...


"Exhibit-A" to my argument is the way that the top and windows fit/align, on that black/gold Adventurer vert
on page 4 of this thread.

It appears to me that the top & windows may have been (attempted) to have ben installed/aligned after
the body was finished & painted.

What thinkest thou-all?








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Posted 2012-03-29 3:13 PM (#314367 - in reply to #314358)
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Posted 2012-03-29 4:13 PM (#314384 - in reply to #201733)
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Good example of why Ghia, Bertone, Pinin Farina etc in Italy were and are known as among the best body craftsmen in the world. Just an amazing job!
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Posted 2012-03-29 4:32 PM (#314387 - in reply to #314365)
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d500neil - 2012-03-29 8:59 PM Hey, Raffaele, et al, I posed a question, here, that nobody has responded to. As you are certainly well versed in restorations, I wonder what your advise is, about when to install and to adjust a convertible top mechanism, to a vert-body? Thanks! http://www.forwardlook.net/forums/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=40848&... "Exhibit-A" to my argument is the way that the top and windows fit/align, on that black/gold Adventurer vert on page 4 of this thread. It appears to me that the top & windows may have been (attempted) to have ben installed/aligned after the body was finished & painted. What thinkest thou-all?

this is the first time i work on this convertible forward , on my 300 coupè the glass allignement was difficult but with good result ... on convertible i think is right check before paint job ....but convertible folding have adjusting bolt on both side .... up and down ... front and rear ...

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Posted 2012-03-29 4:46 PM (#314390 - in reply to #314387)
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Yeah, and there's the window operation and alignment to be concerned about, fitting to a properly installed top.

I would want to know that the top and windows and doors all fit well before I would worry about how nice the paint looks.

Otherwise, you get a car that looks like that other Adventurer---not picking on it, other than to point out what many of us have
seen, on many other verts: the top and windows don't fit well together.




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Posted 2012-03-29 5:10 PM (#314392 - in reply to #314284)
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roadkillontheweb - 2012-03-29 4:07 AM It is great to see it coming together and getting the restoration I could not provide! I ran across a couple photos of it in my garage before I sold it along with my 57 Adventurer coupe parts car. This shows very well that it was a factory white gold car that was painted black. Keep up the great work! If I ever make it to Italy, will you take me for a spin?
LEE , YOU ARE WELCOME IN ITALY ... WHEN YOU WANT

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Posted 2012-03-29 5:13 PM (#314395 - in reply to #201733)
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GUYS ... EXACTLY COLOR OF CONVERTIBLE FOLDING ? BOLTS NEED PAINTED OR NICKEL ??
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Posted 2012-03-29 5:18 PM (#314397 - in reply to #314390)
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YOU ADVICE ME THAT CHECK NOW ? ... I DONT HAVE ALL GLASS .. MISSING LEFT SIDE .. NEED BUILD .. OR BUY
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Posted 2012-03-29 5:53 PM (#314402 - in reply to #314397)
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...only if you want to rule out any unpleasant surprises, after the body is all painted.

The down-side to getting the top and windows to all fit and WORK properly, before the painting is done, is that the top & windows
will need to be carefully masked off, to avoid over spray damage.

On 'my' thread, I also asked about the possibility of doing a minor-partial-spraying, around the top and sides of the body (kind of
like painting the firewall/cowl areas first, on a hardtop restoration), so that, AFTER the top and glass are all working/aligned properly,
the car's body can then be painted, with the paint-line, where the two paintings come together, being merely color-sanded to remove any evidence of the two painting operations.






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Posted 2012-03-29 6:17 PM (#314406 - in reply to #314358)
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raffaplymouth - 2012-03-29 12:44 PM

Wow Lee !!! im very happy for these new photos !! in which
year you took these pictures? i see transmission in car ... you have more photos ??

I am sure I have more photos but most are probably not digital. Those photos were taken in 1999 or 2000

I wish I would have taken some when it got loaded up to leave. It seems some of the interior trim that was specific to the Adventurer convertible was missing before it got to the guy who bought it from me. The transmission was in that place when it left here, is it not with the car now? Remember the box full of trim that was missing for a time? maybe the transmission is there also.

I should try and contact the family that bought it in 1961 and see if they have any photos. Just need to remember the name!
Don't know if I would ever make it to Italy but if I do you can bet you will see me!

This photo is a slightly different angle but not much different.


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Posted 2012-03-29 7:02 PM (#314418 - in reply to #201733)
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Since I am not sure I have shared this part of the story with you let me give you a little more information.
The car came to Iowa in 1959 from Long Island NY in the hands of Howard Bishop Conkey who is no longer alive. The next owners where from Ottumwa Iowa and the wife told me that Howard would often get in trouble with the law in Fairfield with the car so his dad cut him off prompting him to sell the car. I had heard that after he graduated from Parsons college in Fairfield he moved back to New York state and built race cars that ran at the famous Oswego speedway and was credited with designing the offset frame still used in racing?? As the years have gone by more information has become available about him on the web.
His business was called Show car speed shop and was located at 413 EAST MAIN ST WATERLOO, NY I have not been able to track any family or friends that knew him that may have photos or information about if he was the first owner.

I would say that the guy loved to go fast and the Adventurer may have been just a start. Here is a nice article from circle track magazine in 1985 about the frame he was building. http://www.michaelmarrer.com/pdf/SuperModified.pdf
A newspaper article http://www.fultonhistory.com/Process%20small/Newspapers/Oswego%20Pa...

There has got to be some old dirt track racers in the area that used to know him? Wonder if he ever talked about the Adventurer with his buddies?
http://forums.fingerlakes1.com/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=1... looks like justme1611 knew him?
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Posted 2012-03-29 7:12 PM (#314422 - in reply to #201733)
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Here is a photo of Howard Conkey (kneeling) with some of the race car frames he built
http://www.jakessite.com/10/conkey1000.jpg
It might be worth joining some of the dirt track forums and post the question for anyone that may have known him?
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Posted 2012-03-29 9:47 PM (#314449 - in reply to #314402)
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d500neil - 2012-03-29 5:53 PM ...only if you want to rule out any unpleasant surprises, after the body is all painted. The down-side to getting the top and windows to all fit and WORK properly, before the painting is done, is that the top & windows will need to be carefully masked off, to avoid over spray damage.

On 'my' thread, I also asked about the possibility of doing a minor-partial-spraying, around the top and sides of the body (kind of like painting the firewall/cowl areas first, on a hardtop restoration), so that, AFTER the top and glass are all working/aligned properly, the car's body can then be painted, with the paint-line, where the two paintings come together, being merely color-sanded to remove any evidence of the two painting operations.

The converts are designed with enough adjustment points in the doors, quarters and convertible top frame to allow everything to fit well. It's a good idea to do a dry run to see that the pins on the leading edge of the conv top frame land in the holes on the top of the windshield frame, which is what I did. When I get my car painted, the convertible top frame will be off to avoid overspray getting on the frame. Also, the masking that you suggest would be a PITA to accomplish.

Partial painting: Don't think it's a good idea. Too much chance for a variation, especially when spraying a metallic.

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Posted 2012-03-30 2:57 AM (#314481 - in reply to #201733)
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So, how would you describe the appearance of the top installation, and the window fitments on that black Adventurer?

Acceptable?

Typical?

The best alignments and installation work that can be done, after the car is painted?




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Posted 2012-03-30 7:37 AM (#314496 - in reply to #201733)
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Raffaele, I'm not an expert on the convertibles, but Wayne Graefen's book describes the convertible top FRAMEWORK as Sahara Tan (Ditzler #21279). I don' t know about the bolts. You are doing an INCREDIBLE job!!!

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Posted 2012-03-30 8:22 AM (#314501 - in reply to #201733)
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Really impressive job. One day I should pass to visit you with my 58 Plymouth, Torino is not that far from Nice ( France )
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Posted 2012-03-30 9:55 AM (#314516 - in reply to #314501)
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mangodart - 2012-03-30 8:22 AM

...One day I should pass to visit you with my 58 Plymouth, Torino is not that far from Nice ( France ) ;)



Ahhhh...cruising along in wonderful, classic cars between Torino and Nice; champagne on ice in the trunk...

How darned civilized can you get?! I am SOOOOOO jealous!


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Posted 2012-03-30 3:46 PM (#314571 - in reply to #314406)
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raffaplymouth - 2012-03-29 12:44 PM Wow Lee !!! im very happy for these new photos !! in which year you took these pictures? i see transmission in car ... you have more photos ??
I am sure I have more photos but most are probably not digital. Those photos were taken in 1999 or 2000 I wish I would have taken some when it got loaded up to leave. It seems some of the interior trim that was specific to the Adventurer convertible was missing before it got to the guy who bought it from me. The transmission was in that place when it left here, is it not with the car now? Remember the box full of trim that was missing for a time? maybe the transmission is there also. I should try and contact the family that bought it in 1961 and see if they have any photos. Just need to remember the name! Don't know if I would ever make it to Italy but if I do you can bet you will see me! This photo is a slightly different angle but not much different.

 Lee ..thank for these photos... i'm very happy ... fortunatley Antonello Jelitro Found  the box full of molding 1 years ago ....look like i have all moldings ..i have also the transmission ...

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Posted 2012-03-30 3:50 PM (#314572 - in reply to #314449)
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d500neil - 2012-03-29 5:53 PM ...only if you want to rule out any unpleasant surprises, after the body is all painted. The down-side to getting the top and windows to all fit and WORK properly, before the painting is done, is that the top & windows will need to be carefully masked off, to avoid over spray damage.

On 'my' thread, I also asked about the possibility of doing a minor-partial-spraying, around the top and sides of the body (kind of like painting the firewall/cowl areas first, on a hardtop restoration), so that, AFTER the top and glass are all working/aligned properly, the car's body can then be painted, with the paint-line, where the two paintings come together, being merely color-sanded to remove any evidence of the two painting operations.

The converts are designed with enough adjustment points in the doors, quarters and convertible top frame to allow everything to fit well. It's a good idea to do a dry run to see that the pins on the leading edge of the conv top frame land in the holes on the top of the windshield frame, which is what I did. When I get my car painted, the convertible top frame will be off to avoid overspray getting on the frame. Also, the masking that you suggest would be a PITA to accomplish.

Partial painting: Don't think it's a good idea. Too much chance for a variation, especially when spraying a metallic.

Ron

yes Ron ,i check , i have installed the folding , i have open and closed  .. work good , i have enganged also front pins.... partial painting ??? i dont understand

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Posted 2012-03-30 4:00 PM (#314574 - in reply to #314481)
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d500neil - 2012-03-30 8:57 AM So, how would you describe the appearance of the top installation, and the window fitments on that black Adventurer? Acceptable? Typical? The best alignments and installation work that can be done, after the car is painted?
i think is possible the allignement also after the car is painted ... all is adjustable ...you dont think ??
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Posted 2012-03-30 4:03 PM (#314576 - in reply to #314572)
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raffaplymouth - 2012-03-30 3:50 PM partial painting ??? i dont understand


Painting part of the door (or other panel) now. Then install glass,etc. Then paint the rest later. Not a good idea.

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Posted 2012-03-30 4:04 PM (#314577 - in reply to #314496)
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57desoto - 2012-03-30 1:37 PM Raffaele, I'm not an expert on the convertibles, but Wayne Graefen's book describes the convertible top FRAMEWORK as Sahara Tan (Ditzler #21279). I don' t know about the bolts. You are doing an INCREDIBLE job!!! Ed
Ok Ed ! monday i go to my local paint shop with this code ...
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Posted 2012-03-30 4:07 PM (#314580 - in reply to #314576)
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raffaplymouth - 2012-03-30 3:50 PM partial painting ??? i dont understand


Painting part of the door (or other panel) now. Then install glass,etc. Then paint the rest later. Not a good idea.

Ron
Yes ron ...is not a good idea ... i will paint the door naked ... no glass no  window regulators

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Posted 2012-03-30 4:09 PM (#314581 - in reply to #314501)
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mangodart - 2012-03-30 2:22 PM Really impressive job. One day I should pass to visit you with my 58 Plymouth, Torino is not that far from Nice ( France ) ;)
You are welcome !! you and your 58 ply !!
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Posted 2012-03-30 4:25 PM (#314586 - in reply to #201733)
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Guys , i like this color combo ...im very undecided ...in a month will be ready to paint ...i dont know wich color ...

http://www.flickr.com/photos/otro_mun2/5507587505/





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Posted 2012-03-30 9:29 PM (#314630 - in reply to #314580)
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raffaplymouth - 2012-03-30 3:50 PM partial painting ??? i dont understand


Painting part of the door (or other panel) now. Then install glass,etc. Then paint the rest later. Not a good idea.

Ron
Yes ron ...is not a good idea ... i will paint the door naked ... no glass no  window regulators



I know on my Plymouth, the regulators were installed before painting as was the door latch, remote and rod. Also the striker was installed in the jamb before paint. This was done on other cars, perhaps at all factories?
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Posted 2012-03-31 2:04 AM (#314670 - in reply to #314630)
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raffaplymouth - 2012-03-30 3:50 PM partial painting ??? i dont understand


Painting part of the door (or other panel) now. Then install glass,etc. Then paint the rest later. Not a good idea.

Ron
Yes ron ...is not a good idea ... i will paint the door naked ... no glass no  window regulators



I know on my Plymouth, the regulators were installed before painting as was the door latch, remote and rod. Also the striker was installed in the jamb before paint. This was done on other cars, perhaps at all factories?


I think the same is valid for my 56 Chrysler New Yorker. The outer side of the door latch is colored like the screw, while the part of the door latch inside the door remained uncolored.

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Posted 2012-03-31 12:43 PM (#314703 - in reply to #314586)
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Guys , i like this color combo ...im very undecided ...in a month will be ready to paint ...i dont know wich color ...

http://www.flickr.com/photos/otro_mun2/5507587505/


How about shell pink with a charcoal grey color sweep?


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Posted 2012-03-31 1:33 PM (#314712 - in reply to #314586)
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Guys , i like this color combo ...im very undecided ...in a month will be ready to paint ...i dont know wich color ...

http://www.flickr.com/photos/otro_mun2/5507587505/


Soooo many beautiful colour combinations from which to choose.

As you know, Raffael, in the case of the Adventurer, there exists the historically correct "Adventurer specific" colours and colour combinations based mainly on black, "Adventurer Gold", and white. And with such a VERY special and VERY rare car as your Adventurer, I'd be really tempted to paint it in one of those historically correct colour combinations.

There's nothing better than having the colour alone announce correctly from a distance, "Here comes a real Adventurer!"; a rare sight indeed.

That's just my humble opinion on the matter though. Most of us will say that it's your car; one in which you have invested so much of your time and resources, and you must do what you want.

Any of the "Adventurer specific" colour combinations look great. I have a black DeSoto, and I think that there is more work involved with a keeping a black car look spotless, if that might be of concern to you.

If you want to be brave, you could maybe have a poll at this site and see what the cognoscenti think about the matter.









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Posted 2012-03-31 1:55 PM (#314717 - in reply to #201733)
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Posted 2012-03-31 2:36 PM (#314722 - in reply to #314712)
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raffaplymouth - 2012-03-30 4:25 PM Guys , i like this color combo ...im very undecided ...in a month will be ready to paint ...i dont know wich color ... http://www.flickr.com/photos/otro_mun2/5507587505/
Soooo many beautiful colour combinations from which to choose. As you know, Raffael, in the case of the Adventurer, there exists the historically correct "Adventurer specific" colours and colour combinations based mainly on black, "Adventurer Gold", and white. And with such a VERY special and VERY rare car as your Adventurer, I'd be really tempted to paint it in one of those historically correct colour combinations. There's nothing better than having the colour alone announce correctly from a distance, "Here comes a real Adventurer!"; a rare sight indeed. That's just my humble opinion on the matter though. Most of us will say that it's your car; one in which you have invested so much of your time and resources, and you must do what you want. Any of the "Adventurer specific" colour combinations look great. I have a black DeSoto, and I think that there is more work involved with a keeping a black car look spotless, if that might be of concern to you. If you want to be brave, you could maybe have a poll at this site and see what the cognoscenti think about the matter. :)
I know !!! Original factory is white and gold !!! But i prefer gold and white  or gold and black ... Car is original white and gold  and 1 year later was paint black and gold !!! Im very undecide 
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Posted 2012-03-31 2:39 PM (#314723 - in reply to #314717)
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you forgot Gold with black on the back 
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Posted 2012-03-31 2:52 PM (#314726 - in reply to #201733)
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When this particular car left the factory white with gold sweep and went to Hollywood Perkins Desoto dealership in Wilmington Delaware between then and 1959 when it came to Iowa it was painted black over the white (without taking the trim off) because the 1959 Iowa title shows it as black. Even the second owner in Iowa insisted it was a black car when I told her it left the factory white. Raffy has the build sheet and the title records that I was able to get. Unfortunately I was not able to get any title information from New York. They had my check for a title search for 2 years without response when I mentioned it to a Desoto club member Robert Donatucci who was also a state senator from New York and after week or so I got my check back and a note that stated "no records found" So unfortunately I could not verify if the guy who brought it to Iowa (Howard Conkey) was indeed the first owner and if it was ever titled as a white car? Howard's brother stated he always knew it as black when I talked to him years ago and he thought his brother got it new. I believe he also stated that his brother wanted a black and gold version but could not find one so he had a white one painted black. It has been black and gold for a long time! But it left the factory white and gold.

Either one of the two color combinations look great but I was learning toward putting it back to white gold since that would be factory correct but darn do they look good in black!

About 20 years ago I found another 57 Adventurer convertible that was an original gold with white sweep version with factory air just outside of Rapid City SD and tried to buy it but messed up when I told the seller I wanted a title and asked him to get one from SD since Iowa is such a pain in the ass to get a title in. He sold it to someone in Minnesota that did not ask for a title and in my opinion the gold main body with white sweep and gold (tan) convertible top was just a bit much of one color and did not look as good as the cars with while and black main colors.

Either choice Raffy makes it will look great and 99.999% of the people that see it will have no clue what color it should be or shouldn't be. And since I did not win the mega millions jackpot last night i will not get a chance to buy it back. darn!
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Posted 2012-03-31 2:58 PM (#314727 - in reply to #201733)
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Hello Raffy
Shoot me a PM with the name of the second owner in Iowa from the titles I sent you by PM and I will try to contact the family again and see if they have any vintage photos of the car.
The wife was very proud of the car and loved it a lot so she should have photos? If the mother is not still with us I will contact the daughter that was potentially conceived in the car according to the mother and see if she can track something down? I am sure the mother would be glad to hear that it is being brought back to life.
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Posted 2012-03-31 3:08 PM (#314729 - in reply to #201733)
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I finally found the other pictures on my computer from when I sold the car.



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Posted 2012-03-31 3:13 PM (#314730 - in reply to #201733)
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A lot of NOS parts also went with the car including a NOS door skin to replace the damaged one on the drivers side. I also found the pictures of a bunch of the other parts I sold at the same time a set of NOS trunk strips, door handles and lots of other trim and parts. Here are a few

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Posted 2012-03-31 3:42 PM (#314737 - in reply to #314730)
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roadkillontheweb - 2012-03-31 9:13 PM A lot of NOS parts also went with the car including a NOS door skin to replace the damaged one on the drivers side. I also found the pictures of a bunch of the other parts I sold at the same time a set of NOS trunk strips, door handles and lots of other trim and parts. Here are a few

Lee !! where to dig to find these pictures ??? Thank you !! I have received  the door skin .. I dont received nos fender ornament and little quarter moldings

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Posted 2012-03-31 3:57 PM (#314744 - in reply to #314737)
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roadkillontheweb - 2012-03-31 9:13 PM A lot of NOS parts also went with the car including a NOS door skin to replace the damaged one on the drivers side. I also found the pictures of a bunch of the other parts I sold at the same time a set of NOS trunk strips, door handles and lots of other trim and parts. Here are a few

Lee !! where to dig to find these pictures ??? Thank you !! I have received  the door skin .. I dont received nos fender ornament and little quarter moldings



I had the pictures on my computer but I have thousands of photos on it so it took a while to dig them out.
I sold the other parts seperatly on Ebay, I had a hell of a lot of NOS for the car but the guy who bought it from me did not want to buy all the other parts at the time so I sold them on ebay.
The important parts like original engine, intake, carbs, air cleaners, door skin etc. went with the car.

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Posted 2012-03-31 4:04 PM (#314745 - in reply to #314727)
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roadkillontheweb - 2012-03-31 8:58 PM Hello Raffy Shoot me a PM with the name of the second owner in Iowa from the titles I sent you by PM and I will try to contact the family again and see if they have any vintage photos of the car. The wife was very proud of the car and loved it a lot so she should have photos? If the mother is not still with us I will contact the daughter that was potentially conceived in the car according to the mother and see if she can track something down? I am sure the mother would be glad to hear that it is being brought back to life.
Lee , let me know if you know something from this family , you are very kind ... 3 months ago I was in New York ... I could go visit them ...
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Posted 2012-03-31 4:07 PM (#314746 - in reply to #201733)
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LEE ....I understand that you would have made white .... but now also you are undecided.??.. like me ???

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Posted 2012-03-31 4:12 PM (#314750 - in reply to #314745)
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I do believe you have my notes in the yellow binder that gives the name and contact information of the brother in New york? Also in that folder are copies of the titles from Iowa. I can not remember the name of the people that bought the car from Howard Conkey. If you give me the name I will contact them and see if I can track down the family and see if they have any vintage photos of the car from the time they owned it (1961-65?) You might also have some luck joining the racing forums listed above and asking for people that knew Howard for information about his family. And maybe find who has the family photos??
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Posted 2012-03-31 4:17 PM (#314751 - in reply to #314746)
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LEE ....I understand that you would have made white .... but now also you are undecided.??.. like me ???

I love the look of the black car more than the white but I would have probably painted it white since it was indeed the correct original color.
I would not have changed it to a gold car with white or black sweep because I don't think the gold convertibles look good with the gold(tan) top
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Posted 2012-03-31 4:26 PM (#314757 - in reply to #314751)
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raffaplymouth - 2012-03-31 3:07 PM LEE ....I understand that you would have made white .... but now also you are undecided.??.. like me ???
I love the look of the black car more than the white but I would have probably painted it white since it was indeed the correct original color. I would not have changed it to a gold car with white or black sweep because I don't think the gold convertibles look good with the gold(tan) top
i know ...but you don't like also  GOLD with WHITE top ??

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Posted 2012-03-31 7:10 PM (#314780 - in reply to #314723)
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FIN ME - 2012-03-31 7:55 PM
you forgot Gold with black on the back 


Here you go.

Sorry that the photos are not that great. Thought it might be good to see them side by side.

They are all beautiful. I don't envy you having to make such a difficult choice, Raffael!





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Posted 2012-03-31 7:24 PM (#314781 - in reply to #201733)
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Were there 2 option on the Gold for Adventurers, Spanish code V and Adventurer gold code P,the adventure Gold looks darker in colour?
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Posted 2012-03-31 7:38 PM (#314784 - in reply to #314395)
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raffaplymouth - 2012-03-29 5:13 PM

GUYS ... EXACTLY COLOR OF CONVERTIBLE FOLDING ? BOLTS NEED PAINTED OR NICKEL ??


Raffaele, I have some detailed photos of my 58 Plymouth's top frame. It's original, I'll post some photos of it later when I get home. Some hardware is painted, some is natural.
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Posted 2012-03-31 9:28 PM (#314808 - in reply to #314757)
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roadkillontheweb - 2012-03-31 10:17 PM
raffaplymouth - 2012-03-31 3:07 PM LEE ....I understand that you would have made white .... but now also you are undecided.??.. like me ???
I love the look of the black car more than the white but I would have probably painted it white since it was indeed the correct original color. I would not have changed it to a gold car with white or black sweep because I don't think the gold convertibles look good with the gold(tan) top
i know ...but you don't like also  GOLD with WHITE top ??

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White top is not correct for the Adventurer so I would say no. And the hubcaps do not really "stand out" like they do with the black and white cars.
All of this is just my personal opinion! It's your car you can do what you want as long as it can be returned to original at some point. I would hate to see the car hot rodded!
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Posted 2012-04-01 7:16 AM (#314842 - in reply to #201733)
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I agree with Lee. White top is not correct. I'd do the authentic thing and paint it white with gold if it were me. You're going to such trouble to make things fit together and be correct, why not do that with the paint, too?
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^^^^ What he said. Then you'll never have to say, "It was originally white with gold but I did it like this because...." Sure to be a beautiful automobile whatever you decide.
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Posted 2012-04-01 12:13 PM (#314880 - in reply to #314781)
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springsweptwing - 2012-03-31 7:24 PM

Were there 2 option on the Gold for Adventurers, Spanish code V and Adventurer gold code P,the adventure Gold looks darker in colour?


Spanish Gold (colour code "V") was a spring colour for 1957 only, and so far, I'm not aware that the colour was available to any model other than the Firesweep.

The Adventurer Gold is darker, richer, and more "metallic" IMHO. A flashier colour, if there is such a word.
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Posted 2012-04-01 12:37 PM (#314886 - in reply to #201733)
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Ed, was tan the only colour choice for the 1957 DeSoto convertible top? Did the colours vary according to model?

Just curious.



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Posted 2012-04-01 3:56 PM (#314911 - in reply to #314780)
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FIN ME - 2012-04-01 1:10 AM
raffaplymouth - 2012-03-31 2:39 PM
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you forgot Gold with black on the back 
Here you go. Sorry that the photos are not that great. Thought it might be good to see them side by side. They are all beautiful. I don't envy you having to make such a difficult choice, Raffael!

 i like also Gold and black , but i think to return at white and gold , factory paint ..

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Posted 2012-04-01 3:57 PM (#314912 - in reply to #314784)
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raffaplymouth - 2012-03-29 5:13 PM GUYS ... EXACTLY COLOR OF CONVERTIBLE FOLDING ? BOLTS NEED PAINTED OR NICKEL ??
Raffaele, I have some detailed photos of my 58 Plymouth's top frame. It's original, I'll post some photos of it later when I get home. Some hardware is painted, some is natural.

ok !! i wait

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Posted 2012-04-01 4:00 PM (#314913 - in reply to #314842)
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57desoto - 2012-04-01 1:16 PM I agree with Lee. White top is not correct. I'd do the authentic thing and paint it white with gold if it were me. You're going to such trouble to make things fit together and be correct, why not do that with the paint, too?

 Ed , i'm almost decided for white ... if anyone have other photos of white Desoto ADV  ... i don't find more online ....

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Posted 2012-04-01 5:19 PM (#314920 - in reply to #314912)
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raffaplymouth - 2012-04-01 3:57 PM

christine-lover - 2012-04-01 1:38 AM
raffaplymouth - 2012-03-29 5:13 PM GUYS ... EXACTLY COLOR OF CONVERTIBLE FOLDING ? BOLTS NEED PAINTED OR NICKEL ??
Raffaele, I have some detailed photos of my 58 Plymouth's top frame. It's original, I'll post some photos of it later when I get home. Some hardware is painted, some is natural.

ok !! i wait



Raffaele-

It seems the screws and bolts are natural, and where ever there's a pin/washer/cotter pim, those should be painted top frame color. I have so many photos, but I don't want to hijack your thread. So I put them here on my cars thread:

http://forwardlook.net/forums/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=23555&star...

Let me know how they work.
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Posted 2012-04-01 6:16 PM (#314930 - in reply to #314920)
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Posted 2012-04-01 8:24 PM (#314940 - in reply to #201733)
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FIN ME, 1957 DeSoto convertible tops were available in colors, as you would expect, except for the Adventurer model. They called it "Adventurer gold" but all it really was was common tan. Same color tan top for all 4 combinations of Adventurer paint setups.
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Posted 2012-04-01 8:54 PM (#314943 - in reply to #201733)
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Raffaele, I'm glad you have decided to do the right thing (white paint)...back on 11/10/11 you were asking
for blessings on painting it black.

Honor the car and restore its appearance.

BTW, it may be a little early, but it is instructive to go back to 2009, and the inception of this thread, to see how far you've
come, to date, on your project.

I had no idea that wood was used in the convertible top construction.

If it was, that is the answer to a great trivia question!



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Posted 2012-04-01 9:04 PM (#314944 - in reply to #201733)
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I don't know if you've had any/all of the gold colored trim plated, yet, but, as opposed to the shiny 24K gold plated
trim on that white Adventurer, above, I understand that there is, now, at least one company that can replicate
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Posted 2012-04-02 10:45 AM (#314999 - in reply to #201733)
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Thanks, Ed!

Congratulations on deciding on the colours for your Adventurer, Raffael!

(Secretly I was hoping you would paint it in its original white and gold colours. )
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Posted 2012-04-02 10:45 AM (#315000 - in reply to #201733)
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Thanks, Ed!

Congratulations on deciding on the colours for your Adventurer, Raffael!

(Secretly I was hoping you would paint it in its original white and gold colours. )
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Posted 2012-04-02 10:46 AM (#315001 - in reply to #201733)
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Thanks, Ed!

Congratulations on deciding on the colours for your Adventurer, Raffael!

(Secretly I was hoping you would paint it in its original white and gold colours. )

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Posted 2012-04-02 1:37 PM (#315018 - in reply to #201733)
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It's not a Convertible, but it's PLP

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Posted 2012-04-02 1:50 PM (#315019 - in reply to #201733)
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Posted 2012-04-02 2:40 PM (#315023 - in reply to #315018)
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ToMopar - 2012-04-02 7:37 PM It's not a Convertible, but it's PLP maybe it help a bit. /ToM

 

Thank you Tom !!

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Posted 2012-04-02 3:06 PM (#315024 - in reply to #314930)
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Posted 2012-04-02 3:16 PM (#315025 - in reply to #314940)
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57desoto - 2012-04-02 2:24 AM FIN ME, 1957 DeSoto convertible tops were available in colors, as you would expect, except for the Adventurer model. They called it "Adventurer gold" but all it really was was common tan. Same color tan top for all 4 combinations of Adventurer paint setups.

 Therefore all Adventurer with top of other colors is not correct

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Posted 2012-04-02 3:21 PM (#315027 - in reply to #314920)
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christine-lover - 2012-04-01 11:19 PM
raffaplymouth - 2012-04-01 3:57 PM

christine-lover - 2012-04-01 1:38 AM
raffaplymouth - 2012-03-29 5:13 PM GUYS ... EXACTLY COLOR OF CONVERTIBLE FOLDING ? BOLTS NEED PAINTED OR NICKEL ??
Raffaele, I have some detailed photos of my 58 Plymouth's top frame. It's original, I'll post some photos of it later when I get home. Some hardware is painted, some is natural.

ok !! i wait

Raffaele- It seems the screws and bolts are natural, and where ever there's a pin/washer/cotter pim, those should be painted top frame color. I have so many photos, but I don't want to hijack your thread. So I put them here on my cars thread: http://forwardlook.net/forums/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=23555&... Let me know how they work.

Wow , i see your restoration .... very nice job ...you make a good work on the floor !!

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Posted 2012-04-02 3:28 PM (#315028 - in reply to #314943)
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d500neil - 2012-04-02 2:54 AM Raffaele, I'm glad you have decided to do the right thing (white paint)...back on 11/10/11 you were asking for blessings on painting it black. Honor the car and restore its appearance. BTW, it may be a little early, but it is instructive to go back to 2009, and the inception of this thread, to see how far you've come, to date, on your project. I had no idea that wood was used in the convertible top construction. If it was, that is the answer to a great trivia question!

 

You right ....I'm Decided at 99%  for white paint ... i think is the best thing , I believe that even for the value of the car, could decrease with no matching color ..although I do not want to sell this car

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Posted 2012-04-02 7:39 PM (#315066 - in reply to #315025)
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57desoto - 2012-04-02 2:24 AM FIN ME, 1957 DeSoto convertible tops were available in colors, as you would expect, except for the Adventurer model. They called it "Adventurer gold" but all it really was was common tan. Same color tan top for all 4 combinations of Adventurer paint setups.

 Therefore all Adventurer with top of other colors is not correct


No matter what color combination was used on an Adventurer convertible in 1957 the top was always tan.
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Posted 2012-04-03 4:07 PM (#315173 - in reply to #315066)
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Guys , i have removed body from frame ... i start now disassembly the frame .... all rust ,someone in recent years had begun the restoration of the frame by painting everything including rust .....without change bushing and ball joint .. now very difficult remove the torsion bars

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Posted 2012-04-03 4:51 PM (#315184 - in reply to #201733)
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The torsion bars are in there tight. Try taking the front suspension apart first. Don't heat them or use vice grips on them, because that can damage them. Once the front is apart, you can often drive them back and out.
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Posted 2012-04-03 7:13 PM (#315206 - in reply to #201733)
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I see someone added coil-over shocks, too...
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Posted 2012-04-03 7:50 PM (#315211 - in reply to #201733)
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Shouldn't the suspension be hanging freely while you're trying to remove the bar?
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Posted 2012-04-03 7:51 PM (#315212 - in reply to #201733)
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Ed, do you have FSB's, etc., that describe how the front suspension components are finished?

For Dodges, after about 3/57, the suspension parts are not painted, but are/were left in their natural-as-produced
appearance.

Of course, that 'natural' appearance can be reproduced with 'bare steel' powder coating.



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Posted 2012-04-04 7:30 AM (#315262 - in reply to #201733)
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All of that is well-detailed in the 1957 Adventurer restoration handbook written by none other than our own "Still Out There". I'm sure I recommended that Raffaele acquire one...
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Posted 2012-04-04 8:00 AM (#315263 - in reply to #315173)
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... now very difficult remove the torsion bars ...

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Looks like someone who doesn't have a clue how a Chrysler suspension works, is 'working' on your car.

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Posted 2012-04-04 9:43 AM (#315278 - in reply to #201733)
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..is for removing assembly ... I have disassembly chrysler sunspension many times but
that the rust has blocked the hexagons of the bars ... I removed with flame ... Very rust
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Posted 2012-04-04 10:41 AM (#315285 - in reply to #201733)
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There is another method to remove the lower arm without removing the torsion bars? I always removed the first bars from hexagons and then the lower control arm ...
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Posted 2012-04-04 11:00 AM (#315289 - in reply to #201733)
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Raffaele,

Is there enough room to get the torsion bars out with the anchor brackets attatched, looks tight where they go through frame, you can then press the torsion bars out of the brackets after otherwise you may have to cut through the bracket lengthways and split them open to free bars?

Paul.
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Posted 2012-04-04 11:47 AM (#315296 - in reply to #201733)
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Normally you start by removing the shocks and taking off the springload of the torsion bars by loosening the adjuster bolts. Then support the LCA, take out the UCA bumpers to remove all the tension on the parts if necessary, and then pop the balljoints loose.
Then remove the LCA-pivot nuts on the front of the frame, then you can rotate the LCA down and also use it to work/wiggle the torsionbars backwards, out through the anchors (after you've removed the retainer clips ofcourse in the adjuster-anchors).
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Posted 2012-04-04 1:57 PM (#315313 - in reply to #315296)
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BigBlockMopar - 2012-04-04 5:47 PM Normally you start by removing the shocks and taking off the springload of the torsion bars by loosening the adjuster bolts. Then support the LCA, take out the UCA bumpers to remove all the tension on the parts if necessary, and then pop the balljoints loose. Then remove the LCA-pivot nuts on the front of the frame, then you can rotate the LCA down and also use it to work/wiggle the torsionbars backwards, out through the anchors (after you've removed the retainer clips ofcourse in the adjuster-anchors).

 

I know this is normally sequence  ... i had  removed the rear bolt adjust ..., shock was broken ...., no tension ...  but the broblem was front and rear  exagon blocked from RUST !!  , I JUST REMOVED WITH FLAME AND HUMMER ....
torsion bar did not flow on exagon .... i dont know if i explaned ... now is removed


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You could use this method to remove the rust inside.
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Posted 2012-04-05 1:16 AM (#315420 - in reply to #315405)
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I swear by this method and have been using it for years to clean up rusty car parts. As a chemist I was interested in how it works and believe that the lactic acid bacteria feed on the residual sugar and it is the organic acid that reduces the oxide back to iron and cleans the surface.... and the smell - well it reminds me of licorice!!!
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Posted 2012-04-06 3:08 PM (#315627 - in reply to #315420)
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Posted 2012-04-06 3:16 PM (#315629 - in reply to #201733)
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Posted 2012-04-06 3:32 PM (#315634 - in reply to #201733)
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PM sent, Raffa...

John Fowlie can probably send you a 'new' set of springs, and/or maybe just the needed
long leaf(s).







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Posted 2012-04-06 3:47 PM (#315636 - in reply to #201733)
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Wow , i dont know John Fowlie ... you can send me the mail adress ??
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Posted 2012-04-06 5:10 PM (#315653 - in reply to #201733)
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Hello Raffaele

I sent a PM with the details.

Good luck!

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Posted 2012-04-07 2:14 PM (#315789 - in reply to #315653)
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di_ch_NY56 - 2012-04-06 11:10 PM Hello Raffaele I sent a PM with the details. Good luck! Dieter
thank you !
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Posted 2012-04-07 2:15 PM (#315790 - in reply to #201733)
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Posted 2012-04-07 2:43 PM (#315796 - in reply to #315790)
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Lee , this is the famous Box , Antonello have found around 1 years ago ...very important parts

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Posted 2012-04-07 4:42 PM (#315805 - in reply to #201733)
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raffalle - you are a true master with golden hands... big m is pretty close, too..(59 sport fury conv..) this adventurer which was a car - rusted in three pieces!

a pile of junk... and now this far.. a solid complete body, now off the frame... man... it'll be the nicest adv. in exsistence.. with a story to tell!!!! if the

orig. owner were alive to see this!
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Posted 2012-04-07 6:30 PM (#315821 - in reply to #315796)
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raffaplymouth - 2012-04-07 1:43 PM

 

Lee , this is the famous Box , Antonello have found around 1 years ago ...very important parts


I was as glad as you that you found the box! A lot of convertible specific parts in there.
I found a picture of the car when it was loaded on the trailer leaving my driveway I will scan and post it here.
I am very glad that you are able to give it the love it needed. As you can probably tell I really hated to let it go, it was my dream car but it would have only been a dream in my hands! I will be so glad when you get it done.

In the yellow folder (Wayne's Adventurer restoration book) I sent to you there were all the old titles that I found on the car. If you give me the name of the owner that bought it from Howard Conkey that lived in Ottumwa IA I will attempt to contact the family and see if they have any vintage photos of the car? If that owner is still alive she will be very glad to hear that it is being restored.

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Posted 2012-04-07 7:46 PM (#315825 - in reply to #315821)
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Lee , this is the famous Box , Antonello have found around 1 years ago ...very important parts


I was as glad as you that you found the box! A lot of convertible specific parts in there.
I found a picture of the car when it was loaded on the trailer leaving my driveway I will scan and post it here.
I am very glad that you are able to give it the love it needed. As you can probably tell I really hated to let it go, it was my dream car but it would have only been a dream in my hands! I will be so glad when you get it done.

In the yellow folder (Wayne's Adventurer restoration book) I sent to you there were all the old titles that I found on the car. If you give me the name of the owner that bought it from Howard Conkey that lived in Ottumwa IA I will attempt to contact the family and see if they have any vintage photos of the car? If that owner is still alive she will be very glad to hear that it is being restored.


Keep up the great work!


How did the adventurer go from the above to the rusting hulk that Raffe bought??




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Posted 2012-04-07 9:44 PM (#315848 - in reply to #315825)
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How did the adventurer go from the above to the rusting hulk that Raffe bought??

There was an owner between me and Raffe that started the restoration by stripping the body and taking all the parts off. It was rusty when I sold it but stripping the paint and parts made it look a lot worse.
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Posted 2012-04-08 2:15 AM (#315860 - in reply to #315848)
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earleebob1 - 2012-04-07 6:46 PM How did the adventurer go from the above to the rusting hulk that Raffe bought??
There was an owner between me and Raffe that started the restoration by stripping the body and taking all the parts off. It was rusty when I sold it but stripping the paint and parts made it look a lot worse.

I had never spoken about this,is what makes me nervous....perhaps even Lee does not know this period from 2003 to 2009 ...

1) Lee Exline Buy this car in Junk in 1994, keep the car stored in garage , buy a lot of parts ..and make great chronological research

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2) in 2003 Lee Exline sold the car to Antonello Jelitro , car was shipped in a container to Italy , this is arrived at Genoa ( Italy)

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3) Antonello , store in the garage until 2006, buy many parts , new,used and NOS parts , including a complete front ,hood, fenders and other parts in  Junkyard in California ( no rust parts )

4)Antonello in 2006 he decided to start the restoration, give into the hands of a sheet metal worker in Modena, far enough away to Milan where he lived, he in these years can not follow the work, this "Guy" decides to remove paint completely with the flap disc ..so consuming further body that was already weak, and then leave out the weather, this guy have  also painted the frame, but without changing anything ..

5) Antonello knew nothing of all this, when I sold the car,he is a honest guy ..he have a big collection of Mopar forward look cars ,maybe he has suspended the restoration because of these incompetent people, when i pick up the car at Modena  are in this condition

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 forgot, the sheet metal worker, so if 'we can call him, has managed to weld the tubes inside the body, without aligning the doors, so I had a lot of problem when I had to rebuild the rockers and align doors, they can see that the door is not aligned, the body was twisted, I do not think it was wrong when Lee bought the doors shut perfectly .. i have spend around 100 hours for this damage ...

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Raffe, thank you for going to the trouble of explaining the gap in the journey of this interesting restoration
Bob

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Lee , This is all title i received  from you  , and a photo of Howard Conkey , sorry but i don't success to make the right rotation ..


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earleebob1 - 2012-04-08 9:01 AM Raffe, thank you for going to the trouble of explaining the gap in the journey of this interesting restoration Bob
   Thank you for your interest Bob !!
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Posted 2012-04-08 6:46 AM (#315871 - in reply to #201733)
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No, I was not aware of the issues that Antonello had with the restoration.
A quick web search shows that Marilyn J. Schmidt is still alive and kicking and is 76 years old. I also appears she is still at the same house and has the same phone number. I will try to call her on Monday and give her the good news about the car and see if she might have some photos. She is the one that had the great stories about the car. The last time I talked to her she was still running the flower shop and did not have time to dig for the photos

Cloyd Hagedon had stated that he still had the hubcaps in his barn but could never locate them.

Roy Bennett helped me get it titled since the junkyard I bought it from did not transfer the title. I brought him the paperwork and he gladly signed it over to me but could remember very little about the car.

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Posted 2012-04-08 7:28 AM (#315874 - in reply to #315871)
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roadkillontheweb - 2012-04-08 12:46 PM No, I was not aware of the issues that Antonello had with the restoration. A quick web search shows that Marilyn J. Schmidt is still alive and kicking and is 76 years old. I also appears she is still at the same house and has the same phone number. I will try to call her on Monday and give her the good news about the car and see if she might have some photos. She is the one that had the great stories about the car. The last time I talked to her she was still running the flower shop and did not have time to dig for the photos Cloyd Hagedon had stated that he still had the hubcaps in his barn but could never locate them. Roy Bennett helped me get it titled since the junkyard I bought it from did not transfer the title. I brought him the paperwork and he gladly signed it over to me but could remember very little about the car.
Lee, I shudder to hear these things ... let me know if you can talk to her ... I wanted to ask you something, the last to drive the car was Roy Bennett? why he left? had broken the engine? I can see from the frame, a rear crash....who have removed the engine ??
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Posted 2012-04-08 7:33 AM (#315876 - in reply to #315874)
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I'd like to know what year it was abandoned, how did you find it and if it were stolen or sold some parts, the front where it went? In the first photo shows the front, then there is no more ....

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Posted 2012-04-08 12:18 PM (#315910 - in reply to #201733)
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Yes Roy Bennett probably would have been the last to drive it, from him it went to the salvage yard probably in the mid 60s but I am not sure.
When I found the car it was in a salvage yard that was more of a private collection that a salvage yard. The guy was notoriously hard to buy from according to the locals. He put up the money for his nephew to go into the salvage business and the uncle would get all of the vintage iron at the salvage price the nephew bought it for. The uncle recently passed away at 93 years old and the nephew is selling his collection on ebay under the user name classic.auto.parts the 58 Plymouth convertible that was recently discussed here was also from his collection.
At the time I bought it the engine was missing but I found the original engine shortly there after. I was at the power plant by Chillicothe Iowa and talked to one of the employees about the car I had bought and said it was missing the engine. The guy told me about another guy in Ottumwa that had a bunch of old engines so I contacted the that guy and met him at his house after he got off work. I told him what I was looking for and he said that he had an engine from a black and gold Chrysler Adventurer convertible that was in the yard where I got my car from. I told him it was a Desoto and he said no, it was a Chrysler so I just let him call it a Chrysler because it did not matter I knew it was my engine. He had purchased the engine in the 70s for $100 and had raced it in a drag race rail at Eddyville raceway just north of Ottumwa. It started smoking bad so he took it apart to rebuild it but the parts would not fit so he put it on the shelf and left it there. He had purchased Chrysler 392 parts to rebuild it since he thought it was a Chrysler. He said he wanted his money back that he originally paid for the engine so I gave him $100 and loaded the engine by hand in my van. It was taken apart and the crank was missing but I was so happy I found the original engine I did not care.

I think I already shared the story about the loss of the original dual quad intake?

I would imagine that the rear end crash happened while Howard Conkey had it since his brother stated that his brother often got in trouble with the car racing it around the area and would often get in trouble with the law. He was at the Chrysler dealer in F airfield trying to sell the car because his dad had cut him off when Marilynn schmidt and her Hisband were there to look a the new Chryslers and ended up buying the car from Howard.

The front end was very rusty and I had the coupe parts car so I tossed the front end after stripping it of the parts I needed. since the hood was folded in half it was not needed either.

If I am able to contact her and she is able to recall anything I will let you know.

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Posted 2012-04-08 12:40 PM (#315913 - in reply to #201733)
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The story about how I found it.
I was working as a salesman selling pumps, seals, and lot's of other industrial products. I was in a small town southeast of Ottumwa and I stopped in to an old repair garage to ask if they had any old car parts in the back room and where the local salvage yards were. A guy at the counter was telling where the yard was when another guy walked up and started laughing. He said that I was wasting my time to go out there the guy didn't sell anything. I went out anyway and visited the yard and the guy proudly showed me around the collection that was mostly GM lots of Cadillacs and tri five chevies including at least nine nomads. WhenI went around back I could not believe my eyes when I saw a 57 Adventurer Convertible. I already had the 57 Adventurer coupe at home. It was not easy, but I went into negotiation mode and worked a deal to buy the car. The coupe automatically became a parts car. As I traveled around doing my sales job I would track down old garages, body shops, salvage yards and dealerships I would clear out there old inventory of parts and sell parts to support my addiction to Desoto's and anything that would fit my car would go on the shelves. I had a hell of a lot of NOS for it.

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Posted 2012-04-08 1:06 PM (#315916 - in reply to #201733)
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I just sent the following email to the current chief of police in Fairfield.

"I know it is a long shot but nothing ventured nothing gained.

By any chance are there still records available from the early 60s? or someone around that worked on the force back then that would remember events from that time?
I used to own a 1957 Desoto Adventurer convertible that came to Iowa from Long island in 1959 in the hands of a Parsons college student Howard Conkey. by 1962 it was sold to Clark Schmidt that was a supervisor for city streets in Ottumwa. That car is very rare and is now being fully restored in Italy and we are trying to piece together history on the car.

According to Howard's brother his brother would often get in trouble with the police in Fairfield with numerous tickets. Since it is a limited edition 345 HP dual quad Hemi powered car and the brother had a lead foot. The car was black and gold and would have really stood out in the crowd.

Thanks in advance for your time and consideration!
Lee Exline
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I know the chances of getting any information is limited but if I didn't try the chance would be zero.
I also wonder if he was known by some of the old timers from from dirt track racing in Knoxville Iowa since he went on to do dirt track racing car design in Mew York after his graduation. Might be worth placing an ad in Craigslist looking for information.
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Posted 2012-04-08 1:38 PM (#315925 - in reply to #201733)
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Lee, I'm glad, thanks for the time you're spending, I'm printing and keeping everything you're telling is amazing .. I hope that someone from the police you can tell something ... I have another question, the field was exactly in Fairfield? I would like to know where to see google map ... next year I'll be in those places , I come to you and to visit this area ...still exists?
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Posted 2012-04-08 1:46 PM (#315927 - in reply to #315925)
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Lee, I'm glad, thanks for the time you're spending, I'm printing and keeping everything you're telling is amazing .. I hope that someone from the police you can tell something ... I have another question, the field was exactly in Fairfield? I would like to know where to see google map ... next year I'll be in those places , I come to you and to visit this area ...still exists?

I will let you know if I have any success. Over the years I have found it takes very little time to ask and sometimes you will be amazed at what you find.
The salvage yard or spot where I located the car is getting cleaned out now by the nephew since the Uncle died at age 93. It was located in the country north and east slightly of Batavia Iowa. I am trying to find the yard but the road I used to take has been replaced and rerouted so I have lost my reference points for my turns. If you come to the area I would be glad to spend some time and show you around!
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Posted 2012-04-08 2:00 PM (#315928 - in reply to #315927)
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roadkillontheweb - 2012-04-08 7:46 PM
raffaplymouth - 2012-04-08 12:38 PM Lee, I'm glad, thanks for the time you're spending, I'm printing and keeping everything you're telling is amazing .. I hope that someone from the police you can tell something ... I have another question, the field was exactly in Fairfield? I would like to know where to see google map ... next year I'll be in those places , I come to you and to visit this area ...still exists?
I will let you know if I have any success. Over the years I have found it takes very little time to ask and sometimes you will be amazed at what you find. The salvage yard or spot where I located the car is getting cleaned out now by the nephew since the Uncle died at age 93. It was located in the country north and east slightly of Batavia Iowa. I am trying to find the yard but the road I used to take has been replaced and rerouted so I have lost my reference points for my turns. If you come to the area I would be glad to spend some time and show you around!

Ok, Lee ... this year in august i go to Los Angeles , also in Mopar junkyard ( Arnie at San Bernardino )... is too far away, next year if all goes well I will go to Chicago ... surely I will come to you ... , another questions Lee ...

you know how many years without top ?? around  30 years ??

it rains a lot in your country ??

why not to sink into the ground?

how did you pull? with a tractor?

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Posted 2012-04-08 2:38 PM (#315931 - in reply to #201733)
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you know how many years without top ?? around 30 years ?? from the mid 60s till I bought it

it rains a lot in your country ?? Rain and snow! lots of it!

why not to sink into the ground? he used chunks of wood to keep them off the ground

how did you pull? with a tractor? He pulled it from the field with a tractor and I took it home on a trailer. I made sure to keep the correct original rims that are only for convertibles and station wagons

you know the double holes on the right tail fins ? That's a bullet hole! entrance and exit. Some one used it for target practice at some point.

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Posted 2012-04-08 2:59 PM (#315935 - in reply to #201733)
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if i think ... the history of this car , I would like to make it black-gold , because he was also remembered by its owners as the Desoto Black and Gold...this car live his life in black and gold....

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Posted 2012-04-08 3:06 PM (#315938 - in reply to #201733)
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Posted 2012-04-08 3:12 PM (#315940 - in reply to #315931)
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roadkillontheweb - 2012-04-08 8:38 PM you know how many years without top ?? around 30 years ?? from the mid 60s till I bought it it rains a lot in your country ?? Rain and snow! lots of it! why not to sink into the ground? he used chunks of wood to keep them off the ground how did you pull? with a tractor? He pulled it from the field with a tractor and I took it home on a trailer. I made sure to keep the correct original rims that are only for convertibles and station wagons you know the double holes on the right tail fins ? That's a bullet hole! entrance and exit. Some one used it for target practice at some point.

  imagined it was a bullet hole! think how much water and snow for 30 winters ...:(

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Posted 2012-04-08 3:31 PM (#315945 - in reply to #201733)
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Yes it was in sorry shape, but it was mostly complete and it is a real Documented Adventurer so it was well worth saving.

I have always enjoyed researching the history. I call it automotive archeology.
I wish I could track some history on my Desoto UTE but I have no success with the Australian government in tracking it's ownership
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Posted 2012-04-08 4:18 PM (#315949 - in reply to #315945)
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roadkillontheweb - 2012-04-08 9:31 PM Yes Yes this is archeology ... I see in the old photos ... The original bumper had guards ... I don't have this ... I have only the bumper without guard .. 

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The bumper guards were along with the bumper was trashed and I planned on using the bumper from the coupe for the convertible.
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Posted 2012-04-09 12:20 AM (#315998 - in reply to #201733)
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I contacted the nephew and he told me how to find it again.
He said everything is almost cleared out and the property will be sold soon.

Easiest way to see it from google maps is head straight north out of Batavia IA and take the 3rd gravel road to the left, then first gravel to the right for a half mile and your there. As you can see there were a lot of cars outside and every building was full also. The Adventurer was located about dead center on this photo just North of the barn.

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Posted 2012-04-09 2:34 AM (#316004 - in reply to #201733)
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Thank you Lee , look like not different from 1994 pictures ... i see a lot of old car and truck ... there are no major changes in 20 years ... , i put 2 red arrows , let me know if the right location where you find is the lower or the upper ??

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I success to scan and enlarge the photos ...when Lee was found in 1994

 

 

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It's been a long road, but the results that are showing now are definitely making this project worthwhile. I love before and after pics, especially after the kind of work like you've done here.

Keep up the good work.

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Posted 2012-04-09 7:55 AM (#316023 - in reply to #316004)
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Thank you Lee , look like not different from 1994 pictures ... i see a lot of old car and truck ... there are no major changes in 20 years ... , i put 2 red arrows , let me know if the right location where you find is the lower or the upper ??

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Upper red arrow maybe more towards the tail of it.
Yes it did not change much because the guy rarely sold anything.
I bet if you zoom in really tight on google maps you will be able to find some of the other cars in the picture still in place.

The red barn in the background of this shot is the barn between the two arrows in the overhead shot

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Wow, Raffael and Lee - those old photos are enough to make a person cry!

To tell you the truth, I also was curious about how this wonderful, old car got in such a sorry state, but was afraid to ask!

This thread is amazing in so many ways.

You guys should get together and write an article (or small book!) about this car, "from show room condition to ruin and back" - a very interesting history indeed.

High praise to all involved in saving this great car!



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I just got off the phone with Marilyn Schmidt and she is still very familiar with the car and loves to talk about it, She is also very happy to hear that it is getting restored. She was surprised that I called because just two weeks ago she was talking to the owner of the junkyard that took off the dual fours about when her husband castrated her by putting on a single four barrel manifold. She wonder what had happened to the car. I asked her about pictures and she told me that her house burned to the ground a few years back but just before it did she gave the old photo albums to her daughter so there should be at least one picture of it in the albums? She still really loves the car! I also asked her about doing a videotaped interview with her about her remembrances of the car and she said she would like to think about it. I would also like to interview the owner of the junkyard that took off the dual fours at the same time. She has my phone number and will get with her daughter to see about the picture and then call me back.

I will let you know what I hear!
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roadkillontheweb - 2012-04-09 7:23 PM I just got off the phone with Marilyn Schmidt and she is still very familiar with the car and loves to talk about it, She is also very happy to hear that it is getting restored. She was surprised that I called because just two weeks ago she was talking to the owner of the junkyard that took off the dual fours about when her husband castrated her by putting on a single four barrel manifold. She wonder what had happened to the car. I asked her about pictures and she told me that her house burned to the ground a few years back but just before it did she gave the old photo albums to her daughter so there should be at least one picture of it in the albums? She still really loves the car! I also asked her about doing a videotaped interview with her about her remembrances of the car and she said she would like to think about it. I would also like to interview the owner of the junkyard that took off the dual fours at the same time. She has my phone number and will get with her daughter to see about the picture and then call me back. I will let you know what I hear!

 

Amazing! , i'm very happy for this! If understand it.. she and her husband bought the car  from Conkey in 1962, and sold at Roy Bennet in 1964 , would be nice to find some photos ,

they live close to the junk ? i don't understand the Junkyard that remove the dual four ....

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Posted 2012-04-09 3:21 PM (#316090 - in reply to #201733)
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Raffa, I forget: do you have the IBM card-copy on this car?








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Posted 2012-04-09 3:33 PM (#316094 - in reply to #316090)
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d500neil - 2012-04-09 9:21 PM Raffa, I forget: do you have the IBM card-copy on this car?

 Ibm card ??  what is this ?? i don't know ..

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Posted 2012-04-09 3:43 PM (#316096 - in reply to #316094)
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Raffa, these is a whole-long discussion about the IBM build-card copies on the two 'Sticky' messages, at the top of
our "Fender Tag Decoding" message board, but, to cut-to-the-chase-scene, here is the direct link to the Historical
Society's request-information page on the Walter P. Chrysler Museum's website:


http://wpchryslermuseum.org/page.aspx?pid=400

Among other things, the IBM card will be your car's Pedigree and Birth Certificate, and which will document its construction
and options and paint/trim type/colors, etcetcetc...





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Posted 2012-04-09 3:50 PM (#316097 - in reply to #316089)
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Amazing! , i'm very happy for this! If understand it.. she and her husband bought the car  from Conkey in 1962, and sold at Roy Bennet in 1964 , would be nice to find some photos ,

they live close to the junk ? i don't understand the Junkyard that remove the dual four ....




Yes her and her husband bought the car from Conkey in 62 at the Chrysler Dealership in Fairfield IA. She remembers the car very well and is still very fond of it. The first time I called her about it years ago I asked her if she remembered the car. She said that if she met a man that she loved as much as she loved that car she would get married again. She even had more information about the day they went to get the car so I asked to do a video interview with her to document it. many more stories than I can type out.

Her husband that was the supervisor of city streets in Ottumwa Iowa where they lived. After she had the car for a little while he heard she was racing another car down by the John Deere plant and almost got in a wreck so he got mad. He took the car to a junkyard in town and had them take the dual fours off and put on a single four barrel carb to slow her down. She called it (and still does) public castration. She said for years she would drive by the shop and see the intake carbs and air cleaners sitting in the front window of his shop.

Jump forward to 2 weeks ago, she was talking to the guy that owned the shop that took her dual carbs off and they were discussing the day that her husband took the car to his shop to slow her down. This is a different yard than the one it spent almost 30 years in.

She also mentioned that shortly after they sold the car it was in a wreck.

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Posted 2012-04-09 3:54 PM (#316099 - in reply to #316090)
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Raffa, I forget: do you have the IBM card-copy on this car?



Yes he has the IBM card.
I did the research through Chrysler historical and I sent it to him with the restoration manual.

Raffy
The IBM card is the photocopy of the ticket with all the holes punched in it that tells about the car when it left the factory. It gives the serial number, paint and option codes build and ship dates and even has a dealer code that tells that the car shipped to Hollywood Perkins dealership in Wilmington Delaware from the facctory
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Posted 2012-04-09 4:39 PM (#316104 - in reply to #316097)
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Lee, now I understand, but i don't understand  the reason why 'he did remove the dual quad .. it was dangerous? too fast? therefore the other owners drive with  single quad ??

I realized that this car should not have many miles, traveled only 7-8 years, yesterday I removed the front lower control arm ,the ball joint and bushung and were in good condition, usually have much play , also rear ring and pinion look like good

i'm curious if Marylin will found some pictures

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Posted 2012-04-09 4:40 PM (#316105 - in reply to #316099)
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roadkillontheweb - 2012-04-09 9:54 PM
d500neil - 2012-04-09 2:21 PM Raffa, I forget: do you have the IBM card-copy on this car?
Yes he has the IBM card. I did the research through Chrysler historical and I sent it to him with the restoration manual. Raffy The IBM card is the photocopy of the ticket with all the holes punched in it that tells about the car when it left the factory. It gives the serial number, paint and option codes build and ship dates and even has a dealer code that tells that the car shipped to Hollywood Perkins dealership in Wilmington Delaware from the facctory

yes , i have this

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Posted 2012-04-09 4:49 PM (#316107 - in reply to #316062)
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FIN ME - 2012-04-09 7:06 PM Wow, Raffael and Lee - those old photos are enough to make a person cry! To tell you the truth, I also was curious about how this wonderful, old car got in such a sorry state, but was afraid to ask! This thread is amazing in so many ways. You guys should get together and write an article (or small book!) about this car, "from show room condition to ruin and back" - a very interesting history indeed. High praise to all involved in saving this great car! :)

i am moved by what Lee is doing, I wnt him to be  the first to drive this car when finished restoration

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Posted 2012-04-09 5:00 PM (#316110 - in reply to #201733)
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Posted 2012-04-09 6:22 PM (#316118 - in reply to #316107)
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FIN ME - 2012-04-09 7:06 PM Wow, Raffael and Lee - those old photos are enough to make a person cry! To tell you the truth, I also was curious about how this wonderful, old car got in such a sorry state, but was afraid to ask! This thread is amazing in so many ways. You guys should get together and write an article (or small book!) about this car, "from show room condition to ruin and back" - a very interesting history indeed. High praise to all involved in saving this great car! :)

i am moved by what Lee is doing, I wnt him to be  the first to drive this car when finished restoration



I would be very honored, not sure if I will be able to make it there in time but if I ever do make it to Italy I will definitely come take it for a spin.

When I got home this afternoon after work I found that my wife had been cleaning out under our bed and she found something in a box.
It is a NOS set of trunk hinges for the 57. If you have not restored yours yet they are yours for postage.

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Posted 2012-04-09 6:25 PM (#316120 - in reply to #316118)
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Posted 2012-04-09 6:33 PM (#316122 - in reply to #316120)
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I think if you sent a letter to Marilyn with a current picture of the car and a description of what you are doing and a thank you note for the information on the cars history that she has shared I think it would help convince her to share more stories and maybe on video? It sure would not hurt!

If you can do this I will send you her mailing address by PM. I think she would love to hear from you and know that her old car she loved so much is in such good hands and that you appreciate the stories of the cars history that she is sharing.

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Posted 2012-04-10 11:54 AM (#316220 - in reply to #316097)
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...After she had the car for a little while he heard she was racing another car down by the John Deere plant and almost got in a wreck so he got mad. He took the car to a junkyard in town and had them take the dual fours off and put on a single four barrel carb to slow her down. She called it (and still does) public castration. She said for years she would drive by the shop and see the intake carbs and air cleaners sitting in the front window of his shop...


Marilyn is a girl after my own heart...apparently her hubby was a party pooper... LOL






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Posted 2012-04-10 12:13 PM (#316222 - in reply to #201733)
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...i am moved by what Lee is doing...




Yes, Raffael, as we all know, there are guys out there that will sell a classic for what they can get and then forget all about the car as they take the money and run.

I agree with you...Lee exhibits the enthusiasm, inquisitive drive, and generous nature that is the heart of the old car hobby. A real class act.



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Posted 2012-04-10 4:15 PM (#316259 - in reply to #316122)
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roadkillontheweb - 2012-04-10 12:33 AM Raffy I think if you sent a letter to Marilyn with a current picture of the car and a description of what you are doing and a thank you note for the information on the cars history that she has shared I think it would help convince her to share more stories and maybe on video? It sure would not hurt! If you can do this I will send you her mailing address by PM. I think she would love to hear from you and know that her old car she loved so much is in such good hands and that you appreciate the stories of the cars history that she is sharing.
Sure , Lee , let me know the mailing adress of Marylin, i will sent a letters ..for trunk hinge i will check tomorrow , i think my hinge is good but i dont remember , for side bird i have 2 sets ... thanks for all
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Posted 2012-04-11 1:37 AM (#316341 - in reply to #201733)
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This is another box reveived from Antonello , i think is partial miscellaneus disassembly in Usa from Lee Exline ...could be his handwriting? Lee let us know

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Posted 2012-04-11 1:41 AM (#316343 - in reply to #201733)
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Posted 2012-04-11 6:42 AM (#316360 - in reply to #316341)
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This is another box reveived from Antonello , i think is partial miscellaneus disassembly in Usa from Lee Exline ...could be his handwriting? Lee let us know

Yes those are my baggies and hand written index cars from when I took off the front clip.

PM sent with contact info for Marilyn

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Posted 2012-04-11 10:08 AM (#316383 - in reply to #201733)
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On my wagon I remember the first time I work on the rear brakes, it takes 3 days wait to have that drum out, and one day for the other !!
Good to see the story of the car coming via the forum !!!
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Posted 2012-04-11 3:16 PM (#316433 - in reply to #316360)
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roadkillontheweb - 2012-04-11 12:42 PM
raffaplymouth - 2012-04-11 12:37 AM This is another box reveived from Antonello , i think is partial miscellaneus disassembly in Usa from Lee Exline ...could be his handwriting? Lee let us know
Yes those are my baggies and hand written index cars from when I took off the front clip. PM sent with contact info for Marilyn

 

Thank you , i have received , i will wrote ASAP

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Posted 2012-04-11 3:29 PM (#316434 - in reply to #316383)
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mangodart - 2012-04-11 4:08 PM On my wagon I remember the first time I work on the rear brakes, it takes 3 days wait to have that drum out, and one day for the other !! Good to see the story of the car coming via the forum !!! :cool:
also in my first car 1960 Plymouth, 10 years ago  for remove the rear drums without extractor , i have spend 2 days !!
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Posted 2012-04-12 3:30 PM (#316568 - in reply to #201733)
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Guys , this is the list of parts missing ( for now ) if someone have this parts for sale let me know

1) engine radiator

2) transmission cable

3) park brake cable

 4) hood ornament + plastic

 5) parking light lens

6) tail light lens

7) gas tank sending unit

8) steering wheel (i have but is broken)

 i know that lens and ornament is available from George Laurie , but if someone have ....



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Posted 2012-04-12 5:45 PM (#316595 - in reply to #201733)
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raffaele,

there is a hood ornament on ebay, dont know if the adventurer one is different though,

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/400221668493?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_tr...

there are a lot of parts available here but i cannot get a reply on email

http://www.kpusabil.se/indexeng.html

Paul.
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Posted 2012-04-12 6:18 PM (#316603 - in reply to #201733)
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That hood ornament is FireSWEEP only...

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Posted 2012-04-12 6:32 PM (#316606 - in reply to #201733)
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Ed,

whats the difference on the ornament?

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Posted 2012-04-13 5:04 AM (#316654 - in reply to #316568)
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5) parking light lens

6) tail light lens




Hi Raffaele

I know an adress in sweden for plastic lenses.
This are repros, but better than nothing.




http://www.kpusabil.se/

I could purcase a set for you during my holidays :-)
The George Laurie lens is from this swedish manufacturer (as I know)

/ToM

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Posted 2012-04-13 7:19 AM (#316659 - in reply to #201733)
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Springsweptwing, for the Firesweep, the unit is one piece, while for the other series, there is a center section with two outer wings. The Sweep version is also slightly smaller.
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Posted 2012-04-13 10:41 AM (#316675 - in reply to #201733)
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Raffael -

This fellow used to have a hood ornament - scott1990@cfl.rr.com - I think he could e-mail you a photo if he still has it, and to be sure that it is correct for an Adventurer. He lives in Florida, and is a nice guy.

I can't recall what it looked like exactly, but it wasn't like the one on my Firesweep. Ed might remember?

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Posted 2012-04-13 12:02 PM (#316684 - in reply to #201733)
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I do have a pair of NOS park lences for 57



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Posted 2012-04-13 3:14 PM (#316705 - in reply to #316595)
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springsweptwing - 2012-04-12 11:45 PM raffaele, there is a hood ornament on ebay, dont know if the adventurer one is different though, http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/400221668493?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&... there are a lot of parts available here but i cannot get a reply on email http://www.kpusabil.se/indexeng.html Paul.
Thanks , my hood ornament is in 3 piece , i think is correct , need only center plastic parts
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Posted 2012-04-13 3:17 PM (#316708 - in reply to #316654)
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raffaplymouth - 2012-04-12 3:30 PM

5) parking light lens

6) tail light lens

Hi Raffaele I know an adress in sweden for plastic lenses. This are repros, but better than nothing. http://www.kpusabil.se/ I could purcase a set for you during my holidays :-) The George Laurie lens is from this swedish manufacturer (as I know) /ToM
i had contact this KPusabil but i dont receveid answer .. also for winshield seal
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Posted 2012-04-13 3:19 PM (#316711 - in reply to #316684)
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Adventurer 60 - 2012-04-13 6:02 PM I do have a pair of NOS park lences for 57
yolu sell this ??
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Posted 2012-04-13 3:31 PM (#316713 - in reply to #201733)
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now i working on disassembly front sunspension ... very rust ... yesterday i have disassembly all power seats mechanism ,tomorrow i will remove the differential from the axle ...the next week i will check the engine , the block that Lee have found for 100 usd after buying the car
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Posted 2012-04-13 4:26 PM (#316720 - in reply to #316711)
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Adventurer 60 - 2012-04-13 6:02 PM I do have a pair of NOS park lences for 57
yolu sell this ??


Yes. Make me reasonable offer via PM
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Posted 2012-04-13 5:51 PM (#316735 - in reply to #316684)
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I do have a pair of NOS park lences for 57

It has been a while since I held a pair in my hand but isn't that two left hand lenses in the picture?
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Posted 2012-04-14 7:57 AM (#316811 - in reply to #201733)
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Both look like driver's side lenses to me.
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Posted 2012-04-14 3:33 PM (#316867 - in reply to #201733)
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Posted 2012-04-14 3:59 PM (#316870 - in reply to #316595)
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springsweptwing - 2012-04-12 11:45 PM raffaele, there is a hood ornament on ebay, dont know if the adventurer one is different though, http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/400221668493?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&... there are a lot of parts available here but i cannot get a reply on email http://www.kpusabil.se/indexeng.html Paul.

this is my hood ornament , i think is correct , need rechrome center , and need center lens , i have found also a good used parking lens ... but i would buy a new set ...

 

 

 

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this is the good used Parking light , i have found Today !!  , i  cleaned with soap .... i do not even know the parts that I have .. I should be doing inventory

 

 

 

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Posted 2012-04-14 4:18 PM (#316872 - in reply to #316871)
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Posted 2012-04-14 4:24 PM (#316874 - in reply to #201733)
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Posted 2012-04-14 4:45 PM (#316883 - in reply to #316872)
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d500neil - 2012-04-14 10:18 PM Raffie, what is the axle ratio that is stamped onto the 'flat' area on what would be the passenger's side of the carrier housing? You may have to scrape that area a bit, to reveal that ratio.
, ok tomorrow i will scrape  that area , i will know

 

 

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Posted 2012-04-14 4:47 PM (#316884 - in reply to #201733)
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Posted 2012-04-14 7:25 PM (#316900 - in reply to #316705)
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That is Kent and Peter Johansson... Kent is on this list. Contact him at: kpbensin@swipnet.se

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Posted 2012-04-14 7:26 PM (#316901 - in reply to #201733)
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My old baby is in good hands!
I am so glad to see it going back together but still a little sad that I could not do it myself.
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Posted 2012-04-14 8:57 PM (#316913 - in reply to #201733)
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I've lost track...is this what you still need, Raffael?

Plastic emblem insert. Number 8...

http://www.emblemagic.com/desoto.htm






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Posted 2012-04-15 12:40 PM (#316985 - in reply to #316913)
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FIN ME - 2012-04-15 2:57 AM I've lost track...is this what you still need, Raffael? Plastic emblem insert. Number 8... http://www.emblemagic.com/desoto.htm (O)
YES ! THIS IS CORRECT BUT IS NOT IN STOCK
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Posted 2012-04-15 12:52 PM (#316986 - in reply to #316872)
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d500neil - 2012-04-14 10:18 PM Raffie, what is the axle ratio that is stamped onto the 'flat' area on what would be the passenger's side of the carrier housing? You may have to scrape that area a bit, to reveal that ratio.

 

i think 3.54

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Posted 2012-04-15 7:28 PM (#317040 - in reply to #316985)
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raffaplymouth - 2012-04-15 12:40 PM

FIN ME - 2012-04-15 2:57 AM I've lost track...is this what you still need, Raffael? Plastic emblem insert. Number 8... http://www.emblemagic.com/desoto.htm (O)
YES ! THIS IS CORRECT BUT IS NOT IN STOCK


They will make you one if you can give them a bit of time.

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"•If the emblem is not in stock, we can back order the emblem for you. To see when the emblem will be ready, you can check our schedule here.
440-209-0792 EST., M-F
Be sure to copy and paste the part number for your order info from the number above."


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Posted 2012-04-17 3:22 PM (#317247 - in reply to #201733)
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Posted 2012-04-17 3:24 PM (#317248 - in reply to #201733)
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Posted 2012-04-17 3:27 PM (#317251 - in reply to #201733)
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Posted 2012-04-17 3:32 PM (#317256 - in reply to #201733)
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Posted 2012-04-17 3:34 PM (#317258 - in reply to #201733)
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Posted 2012-04-17 3:40 PM (#317261 - in reply to #201733)
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Posted 2012-04-17 3:43 PM (#317263 - in reply to #201733)
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Posted 2012-04-17 3:46 PM (#317265 - in reply to #201733)
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Posted 2012-04-17 3:59 PM (#317269 - in reply to #201733)
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Posted 2012-04-17 7:26 PM (#317315 - in reply to #317269)
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Raffa, as per our PM's....the torsion bars are painted in gloss black and the brake backing plates should be
in a sort of shiny-semi-gloss black paint.

Looking good, however!!


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Posted 2012-04-19 7:45 AM (#317483 - in reply to #201733)
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I am curious to see if Howard Conkey added positraction to the rear end in 1958 when it became available? As serious as he was about speed I would think that he would have added it to get the most out of the Hemi Power. Let us know what you find when you crack open the rear end.

Did you get the 5 NOS Adventurer stainless trunk strips? I am pretty sure they went with the car and were not sold seperatly.
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Posted 2012-04-19 12:39 PM (#317517 - in reply to #201733)
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Unbelievable how much you have collected, for the Adventurer
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Posted 2012-04-19 2:24 PM (#317529 - in reply to #317315)
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d500neil - 2012-04-18 1:26 AM Raffa, as per our PM's....the torsion bars are painted in gloss black and the brake backing plates should be in a sort of shiny-semi-gloss black paint. Looking good, however!!
i would need a complete list of frame detail paints ..... frame semigloss black , leaf springs naturally , lower and upper control arm naturally , all the rest in semigloss black
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Posted 2012-04-19 3:33 PM (#317546 - in reply to #317483)
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roadkillontheweb - 2012-04-19 1:45 PM I am curious to see if Howard Conkey added positraction to the rear end in 1958 when it became available? As serious as he was about speed I would think that he would have added it to get the most out of the Hemi Power. Let us know what you find when you crack open the rear end. Did you get the 5 NOS Adventurer stainless trunk strips? I am pretty sure they went with the car and were not sold seperatly.
Yes Lee !! , i have  the five moldings
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Posted 2012-04-19 3:49 PM (#317551 - in reply to #201733)
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Posted 2012-04-19 3:49 PM (#317552 - in reply to #201733)
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Posted 2012-04-19 4:01 PM (#317555 - in reply to #201733)
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Posted 2012-04-19 4:10 PM (#317560 - in reply to #201733)
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Posted 2012-04-19 4:11 PM (#317563 - in reply to #201733)
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 guys ,a lot of welding renforced ... frame is ready to paint !!

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Posted 2012-04-19 4:18 PM (#317566 - in reply to #317483)
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roadkillontheweb - 2012-04-19 1:45 PM I am curious to see if Howard Conkey added positraction to the rear end in 1958 when it became available? As serious as he was about speed I would think that he would have added it to get the most out of the Hemi Power. Let us know what you find when you crack open the rear end. Did you get the 5 NOS Adventurer stainless trunk strips? I am pretty sure they went with the car and were not sold seperatly.
No Lee !! no posi !! i have check now ...
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Posted 2012-04-19 4:19 PM (#317567 - in reply to #317315)
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d500neil - 2012-04-18 1:26 AM Raffa, as per our PM's....the torsion bars are painted in gloss black and the brake backing plates should be in a sort of shiny-semi-gloss black paint. Looking good, however!!
ah ok gloss black only torsion bar ??  the other in semigloss
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Posted 2012-04-19 4:21 PM (#317568 - in reply to #201733)
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Guys , someone know is the frame have VIN number ?? , i don't find
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Posted 2012-04-19 4:46 PM (#317572 - in reply to #201733)
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have a look for numbers in these places, i have only ever found them at the front near bumper.



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Posted 2012-04-19 6:50 PM (#317599 - in reply to #201733)
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I had a 1957 dodge D100 panel truck years ago that had the serial number on the outside of the frame just ahead of the rear axle on the passenger side.
Not sure that the passenger car would have it there but it is worth a look.
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Posted 2012-04-20 4:36 AM (#317664 - in reply to #201733)
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Again very nice job, very impressive !!! Is the 68 Chrysler 300 the one from Mauro ??? ( he is a friend of mine )
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Posted 2012-04-20 4:40 AM (#317665 - in reply to #317664)
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mangodart - 2012-04-20 10:36 AM Again very nice job, very impressive !!! Is the 68 Chrysler 300 the one from Mauro ??? ( he is a friend of mine )

 Yes is 68 300 from Mauro !!

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Posted 2012-04-20 5:34 AM (#317666 - in reply to #201733)
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Posted 2012-04-20 6:22 AM (#317669 - in reply to #201733)
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Posted 2012-04-21 3:56 PM (#317849 - in reply to #201733)
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Guys , in Usa is possible welding the Zamak ?? in italy is not possible ... is a big problem when need rechrome zamak parts with hole ...
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Posted 2012-04-21 4:20 PM (#317852 - in reply to #201733)
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here raffaele,

this is low temparature so wont melt the metal zemak (pot metal) first

http://www.muggyweld.com/?view=super1

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other products have a higher melting point risking damaging what you are trying to repair.
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Posted 2012-04-25 1:54 PM (#318344 - in reply to #201733)
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