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'61 Polara, which his parents bought new that year. It's shown below in Michigan's Upper Peninsula
on a trip we took quire a few years ago, taking many two-lane US highways from the Carolinas north.
It was his first car in high school (no dealer would take it for trade in '66),so he kept it, and still
has car # 2, a '70 Challenger convertible he bought in '71.
Glad to be here,
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Location: little rock, AR | I'm glad to see another '61 even if it isn't a wagon. Great looking car. |
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Location: Victoria, BC, on Vancouver Island, Canada | Good looking car ! |
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Location: Minneapolis, MN | That's hard to believe only 5 years old and no dealer wanted it. Well, your gain.
How many miles on that great looking car?
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Location: Parts Unknown | What do you mean it is hard to believe ? Just look at that thing !
Where were you in 1966 ? NOBODY wanted to be seen in a finned car, especially a weird one like a Dodge or
DeSoto. It is a wonder any survived at all.
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Another '61 Polara 2drht, need to see some pics of that one!
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Location: Bräcke,Sweden | What a great looking car,we don´t see many pics of these Dodges.
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Location: Fredrikstad, Norway. (Europe) | Loosing my breath and LOVE IT!!! 
I wasn't supposed to log on tonight after a couple of nights out to the islands with my boat celebriting midsummer eves, but when seeing this beautyful '61 Polara 2 door hard-top, I just had to sweep by and give some comments. NICE!!! Allways wanted the 2 door even tho' my 4 door sedan imported from Florida is pretty nice too.
And Hey Brent, if your brother dislikes the '61 Dodges as much as you (lol), perhaps it would be for sale for a fair price? I*m ready for one anytime. Even tho' there still is a chance of getting that '63 Chrysler 300 Pacesetter convertible if the owner could just get the title for it. Meanwhile..........................
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Location: bishop, ca | They do look good, in person!
I'll never forget my own breathless-moment, in 10/60, walking home for lunch, in grade school, when the
neighbor's brand new 61 Phoenix glided by, like a freshly landed UFO.
Suddenly...the preceding Forwardlookers were obsoleted.
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Location: Parts Unknown | I never said I dislike 61 Dodges ! I may have said they are "bizarre" and "ugly", but I like them ! So much so, that
if I stumbled on to a decent Seneca stripper sedan in a really bad color like beige, I might be forced to buy it !
Look, ... to the average American living between 1962 and 1982, being seen in a finned car was worse than being hosed
down with urine. Some more than others really make people roll their eyes and crinkle up their nose, even today. To
most people, they are all bizarre and ugly. If a guy wanted to have the ultimate bizarre and ugly FL car, could he do any
better than a 61 Dodge ? I think not ! And as a confident FL fan from way back, I would wear it as a badge of honor !!!
I'll try to have a camera with me some time when I am out with the Polara. It doesn't come out of the garage much
to get a decent picture though.
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Agree completely about the love/hate yin-yang of the '61 Dodges, but hey,
at least it ain't red!
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Location: little rock, AR | I guess I need to pull out my '61 S.W. and get to work on it. The least I could do is get it road worthy and drive it. There seems to be very few '61 Dodges running the streets compared to other FL cars. |
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Location: Poznan, Poland, Europe | what a charming car, love the shade on it. What was it called ? |
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Charming color names, too...
Glacier Blue and Snow.
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What a great looking car,we don´t see many pics of these Dodges.
Doc haven´t posted any pics of his brothers car yet,but maybe soon?
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Ask, and ye shall receive ! (well, kinda.... !)
My brother is a little reluctant to show his cars and I had to ask permission to take and post pix.
But, here it is, as it sits in his garage. This is an honest-to-God one-owner (little old lady school teacher from
Nebraska) low mileage Polara coupe. Car was originally a lighter blue and got a repaint at some point. Overall,
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Couldn't push the four-wheeler outa the way first ??? 
Cool lookin car (the half of the half I can see  )
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Location: Parts Unknown | This car *should* look like the one pictured at the top of this thread. If I happen to see the car out of the garage
(which doesn't happen very often), I'll try to be there with my camera ! As it is, I just wanted to get off a quick shot
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Location: Parts Unknown | Bleeve it or not, this car was picked up as a parts for a convertible I had found and turned him on to.
That car had been stripped down to the bodyshell and needed EVERYTHING. It was a white car with
blue interior and had the outline of the "star" on the rear left quarter. Widdo Bwudder decided he preferred
the coupe and sold the ragtop. Like me, he angles for the rarely seen amongst rarely seen. Of all the FL
cars he has owned, this is the one he kept.
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Location: bishop, ca | Doc, if you can count to "2", this would be :" ...an honest-to-Exner TWO-owner" car...
EVERY car is a one-owner car, sometime during its 'life'.
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Location: Parts Unknown | Neil, .... we all know the routine.
However, finding a car that is still in the original owner's possession like he did with this car is pretty
darned rare. Most people could not wait to dump these ugly tubs by 1964 and by 1980 when most of us
were beginning to notice them as being something worth saving, they had been through 37 owners and
left for dead in a field !
Therefore, I refer not to the present ownership status (which would OBVIOUSLY make him the 2nd owner),
but to the uniqueness of finding it still parked in the original owner's garage.
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Location: MN | Things were different here in rural MN finned sold well new & used even to the point when they were just aged transportation. It probably was because we had a strong Dodge dealer & some surrounding Mopar dealers were aggressive as well. No urine just dependability after 57 bugs were worked out, 55 & 56 always sold here as well until there demise. |
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I really enjoyed this thread until I saw all those "warmed over" 55 Chevys in red............they should have come in last in the sales race for 1957!!!!
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Location: Fleetwood, Pa | If I never see another one of those it would be too soon........Put a bowtie on a 57 Plymouth and a Mayflower on a 57 Chevy and they'd still be poking fun at it's "ho-hum "humpty dumpty" styling!!!! But, because it has a "Bowtie" on it well, now it's great!!! Give me a break!!! |
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Location: Fleetwood, Pa | Back to this threads initial purpose.......I never really thought too much of these 61 Dodges before, but I must admit, they're really growing on me lately, especially in Polara form.......very nice car!!!
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| And "Baby," (the wagon) makes three; sure hope we can drag some Polaras out of the woodworks,
or at least out of Dr. DeSoto's Bro's garage. Glacier Blue must have been the rage for '61 Polaras,
if these three are any indication.
Keep your eyes peeled for Bob Hope & Lana Turner in 1961's
"Bachelor in Paradise," discussed separately here.
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Location: Parts Unknown | My Bro's car takes a backburner to the 53 Commander coupe he is restoring. Maybe when I get back from Afghanistan
there will be time and space in my shop to polish that car up. It really is a nice, low miles original car.
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Location: Bräcke,Sweden | Pics of yet another 61 Polara, there must be atleast 20 of them out there.LOL. |
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Location: Midwest USA | Doctor DeSoto - 2010-09-17 6:54 PM
My Bro's car takes a backburner to the 53 Commander coupe he is restoring. Maybe when I get back from Afghanistan
there will be time and space in my shop to polish that car up. It really is a nice, low miles original car.
holy crap! somebody with a '53 LOEWY COUPE !!!
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Location: Parts Unknown | And not just any 53 Commander coupe. This one of the custom bodied cars with the extended quarters
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Location: Germany | Two 1961 Dodge Polara from Germany:
The black one is mine, since 10 years.
Very original. And wins this year best original 60s at a lokal meeting in my hometown.
Look here:
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Location: Southern Sweden - Sturkö island | Mertern, welcome to the gang - I hope that you enjoy it here! That's a cool ride you've got! |
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Location: Germany | ???? More pics ???
The blue Coupe needs new original door trim. And the seat cover are not original. But looks good.
The black one is not perfekt but its very original and show its age. But real cool.
We are in Sveden with the black one. And visits the Wheels and Wings Meeting in Varberg in 2008 and 2009.
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Location: Bräcke,Sweden | Hello and welcome Merten.I remember seeing pics of your car on another website some years ago.
Glad too see that you´ve found this terrific site.
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Location: Germany | Hello Nils-Erik,
I read here a long time. But now I register because I want to present this pictures of this two Polara.
I was in the last years sometimes in Sveden. In 2002 I was at the Big Meet. And 2005, 2007, 2008, 2009 at the Wheels and Wings and I never saw another 1961 Polara. I wish someday I saw your car in natura.
Sveden Car Meetings are the best. Super cars and cool Party, too.
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| Any background on this '61 Dart Phoenix convertible? A show car?
The photo looks period; I found it at Carlisle last year.
Thanks,
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Location: Victoria, BC, on Vancouver Island, Canada | Highball57 - 2011-01-18 3:37 PM
Any background on this '61 Polara convertible? A show car?
The photo looks period; I found it at Carlisle last year.
Thanks,
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| Thanks Ian, for correcting my error. On closer inspection, another clue is the
spear's location further back on the rear quarter, both details I should've noticed.
It still doesn't answer the car's what, where, when. Anybody know?
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Location: IL | Man those 61's ROCK. I have a factory pink 60 Phoenix convertible and can't wait to see it done! I LOVE both years and that wagon is awesome! Keep it up, post more 61's if you get em' |
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Location: Bräcke,Sweden | Well Scooter here is a pic of mine.
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Location: bishop, ca | And, for all-you '61 big-Dodge boys, Emblemagic company makes perfect cloisonne-plastic emblems, like the
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Location: Bräcke,Sweden | I´ve been thinking about restoring the spare I have.
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| Feeling it was better to give than to receive, I bought this NOS emblem for my buddy's '61 Polara
for Christmas. If anyone wants higher-res pics of it to replicate/restore their emblem, send me a PM.
Given its cost, it'll be interesting to see what Emblemagic can do; they do superb work.
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Location: Germany | A very interesting thing for the Coupe.
What is the price for one? Or for the restauration of one?
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Location: bishop, ca | I just checked emblemagic.com and was shocked, shocked to see that they do not show the 1961 Dodge plastic
grille emblem in their inventory.
They can restore an existing one, or, better yet, could use a good one in order to create their own reproduction
of that emblem.
Virtually every 61 Polara probably needs a NOS-looking plastic grille emblem.
Its pot metal backing-piece can be re-chromed and/or re-anodized, but the plastic front-section is either in great condition,
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Location: Germany | The Coupe have now the right whells and hupcaps on.
Oh it looks so nice....
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Location: Southern Sweden - Sturkö island | Very nice - the new tires and correct hubcaps really lifts the car. Cruising time is here again! |
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Location: Bräcke,Sweden | And with the spinner hubcaps, very nice.
What brand of radial tires is that?
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Location: Signal Mountain, TN | What a difference fresh rubber and the right caps make....
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Location: Germany | Last Weekend was the first meeting for the Coupe.
Many years this car was not at shows.
I think this was the first meeting after 16 years.
look here for all pictures:
https://picasaweb.google.com/mrpolara/Kaunitz2011#
Of course many pictures from the 61er Polara Coupe but many other interesting cars are to see.
4x 58er Buick LTD, 2x 60er Plymouth Fury, 57er Plymouth Coupe, 61er Desoto, many Cadillacs, Rods and old cars.
This meeting ist a 50s car meeting in germany. There are not so many cars on this meeting, but there are good cars. And most very high quality.
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That's Sid's ride, there, right?
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Location: bishop, ca | You're a generous guy....is that she, there, in the photo?
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Location: bishop, ca | Very nice presentation, but, the Master of Ceremonies didn't even bother to go Forward and to check out
the engines.
You two guys must have to get the Polara grille ornaments be made up, from Emblemagic or in Sweden/Finland,
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Location: Hillsborough NB Canada | Some great looking 61 Polora's guys! Thought I'd share a few pictures of my fathers 61 D500 4 door, It was purchased new at Dave Schenk Dodge in Whittier CA and now resides in New Brunswick Canada, some 3500 miles from its home. |
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Location: Hillsborough NB Canada | Hemifried - 2014-01-19 2:14 AM
Some great looking 61 Polora's guys! Thought I'd share a few pictures of my fathers 61 D500 4 door, It was purchased new at Dave Schenk Dodge in Whittier CA and now resides in New Brunswick Canada, some 3500 miles from its home.
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Hey, I would like to use this thread to introduce myself to this forum. I've read a lot in the past few month but never written anything so now i think it's time to say hello. My name is Nikolas, i'm a Phd Student in biochemistry and ever since i was allowed to drive something with an engine it had to be something sepcial and most times it had to be older than me. Now my newest ride is not really new to this forum. I bought Merten's black 61 Polara last year, the one which is mentioned earlier in this thread.
Now I'm using this winter (and all my money) to make some kind of restoration on this car. Unfortunately there is some rust, especially on the rear quarters, the trunk and the floor pans but sheet metal has already arrived and will be welded in soon. I've already done the engine (e.g. cleaned erverything, new gaskets, new paint). After all the metal work is done I'll focus on the all the fancy gadgets and I'll tr to bring everything back to work as was supposed back in 1961. From the technical point of view there are not really any questions from my side but there are some mysteries around this car that maybe some of you can help me to solve.
First of all, I was told my Dodge was an ex-sheriff car. The facts that speak for this hypothesis are: the D-500 383 4bbl, the black paint, somewhat "bigger as usual" brakes (I haven't took a closer look on them yet), spotlights on both fenders an a let's say really professional closed hole (piece of sheet metal glued to the roof with bondo) in the roof. On the other side there are a few points that do not look like a former official/police usage of this car: Full chrome trim, a dash mounted rear view mirror, a radio, the polara medaillon in the grille and noe sure grip diff. So what do you think?
And the next question is about the engine (which is in really good shape by the way): it is a 383 b-block with a 4 bbl Carter AFB, but there is no I.D. stamp on the block. is it possible that the block was milled an the stamp was removed during this process? Also the casting number is somehow strange, as i could only find two forum entries (one from this forum) stating that these blocks where built for the Facel Vega and possibly the Jensen Interceptor. the Casting number is : 1851829-5 L.L. what do you guys say, is this the original engine?
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Location: NE Ohio | Welcome............ I like your Polara, Nikolas..
You may want to start your own thread about the questions you have? |
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Location: NE Ohio | DIF-RNT - 2014-01-22 1:28 PM
Welcome............ I like your Polara, Nikolas..
You may want to start your own thread about the questions you have?
Just put it under the "General Discussions" listed above |
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Location: Ottawa, ON | ah, good point :-) |
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Location: little rock, AR | Since its your car now you could start under members rides. |
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Exner Expert 19,174 posts. Neil passed away 18 Sep 2015. You will be missed, Neil!
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Location: bishop, ca | Welcome aboard, Nikolas!
Where are you taking your doctoral research, and how long before we have to start calling you Herr Doktor????
Nice car!!
As you may know, the engine stamping number appears on that small 'flat' area, at the base of the distributor.
Let's see what that flat area looks like, bitte.
...Dorsey ("Oldwood") is right; you should start your own car's discussion on this "Member's Rides" message board!
Edited by d500neil 2014-01-22 5:57 PM
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Location: Ottawa, ON | I hope i'm allowed change my nickname to Dr.Polara61 in early 2015. :-) I'm working on lung cancer therapies at the hannover medical school.
Now to the stamping area: just smooth metal...
and i've already openend a new topic with my questions in the general technical discussion thread and i don't want to flood this board with like 5000 threads on my first day here ;-) |
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Exner Expert 19,174 posts. Neil passed away 18 Sep 2015. You will be missed, Neil!
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Location: bishop, ca | The only downside to changing your name, here, is losing your number of credited post-counts.
You know that, in 66-ish, Oldsmobuick had a "Dr. Oldsmobile" (or sumsuch) to advertise their performance car models.
Not trying to 'stroke' your motor, but, what is your research dissertation 'on'?
A PhD is a big deal, over here, involving years of research, after a Masters degree is awarded.
You plan to teach at University?
You can create your own Members Rides thread, on your car.
Edited by d500neil 2014-01-23 4:33 PM
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Location: Ottawa, ON | yes, i know the ads featurig dr.oldsmobile. and i was just joking when i said i would change my nickname, in germany it is common that in the field of natural science nobody really mentions their degree. usually you would call your professor just mr xyz not prof.dr.dr.dr. xyz e.g.
my diss is on the development of genetically modified viruses targeting lung cancer cells. i don't want to go to much in to detail because this topic is kinda "hot" and we're alos planning to get a patent on this.
usually a phd in germany takes 3-4 years and you also have to get a bachelor degree and a master degree (this is new for the whole EU). a few years go you had to have a "diplom" to make your "dr.".
and no, i'm not really planning to teach but to focus on the research and maybe later on get a job at a cool company and make tons of money ;-)
ok, i got it, i'll make my own thread asap :-) |
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Exner Expert 19,174 posts. Neil passed away 18 Sep 2015. You will be missed, Neil!
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Location: bishop, ca | Are you going to name your patent the Martinmetamorphosis?
Over here, a doctoral candidate usually does research that gets to be credited primarily to his Faculty Advisor.
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Location: Ottawa, ON | most pobably it'll be named something like EU-ABC2723839
and you are right, it's the same here but especially for patents and publications there is always a small part like 10-20% that is credited to the phd student. |
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