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Location: Georgia | After a lengthy search, I've finally found the impossible, a 1961 Plymouth Suburban 2 door!
Legend has it, that this particular wagon was one of 13 ordered by the US Air Force as camera equipment haulers, ordered without a backseat, a 3 passenger! This one spent the majority of her life in a hangar at Minot AFB, North Dakota, and when sold at auction some years ago, reportedly only had 9,000 original miles. However, the engine and transmission (slant 6/3 speed) was yanked out and white latex paint was applied with a brush, at some point. I don't have any real verification of any of this, save a "US Property" plate on the inner fender, and a few photos of her in white. If you have any ideas how to research her history, please let me know! I was also told, under the white latex was original olive green. I'm not sure when USAF vehicles switched to blue?
Then an 'old-school' hot rodder picked her up, and transformed her into what she is right now! 
He is a really nice guy, and didn't really wish to sell, but sometimes a little pestering pays off! He thought this was the ugliest car in the world, and he didn't mind a bit when I told him my plans for her.
She's got a 1964 225 slant 6, bored .030 and a small comp cam, plus alum intake and clifford headers, true duals with sawed off cherry bombs (LOUD!), 390 Holley 4 bbl, all mated up to a Chrysler 4 speed.
The interior has two buckets and console pieces from a Chrysler 300M.
The paint speaks for itself, and the tailgate lettering says it all! 
She had some aftermarket wheels, which the former owner kept.
I plan to restore her to a more original state, and the interior will be the bigger challenge it appears. The body is stock, save the funky mirrors and missing emblems, and I hope I don't discover surprises under that wild paint. I'll leave the drivetrain as is for now, it's kinda fun, except I'll raise the body back up, and I'm sure my Y will request some quieter mufflers! 
I'm undecided what the color will be, if anyone could help out with the data plate, that will be step 1 for the paint decision. I'm actually considering a USAF theme, but need alot more research first!
I couldn't get a good photo of the data plate, but it reads as follows:
SO NUMBER BDY TRM PNT
0501 7195 255 999 602
If anyone could direct me how decode, please.
Enjoy the photos (if you can look directly! )
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CONGRATS ! ! ! ! If you want to get rid of that valve cover I'd like to have first crack at it . . .
I'm looking forward to what you do with it - paint would be priority number one with me !!!!
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Location: little rock, AR | How does that /6 really run with the 4speed??? If my / wasn't so original, I would do those mtr. upgrades also. Congrats on your new purchase. That car desperately needs toneing down. |
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Location: bishop, ca | The engine is definitely Olde Skool!
You can have a lot of fun making an era correct rod out of that stick 2-dr Suburban!
You could go for a Surf-wagon look, too; there must be some vintage roof racks available, at the major national salvage
yards--it'd look bitchin with a vintage paint scheme, and with a 'rack' on it.
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Location: DFW, TX | I cannot fathom an uglier paint job than what is already on it. Fortunately, anything you do to it will be an upgrade! For some reason I think it would be really neat in olive drab with a big white star on the door, lol! I like the drivetrain too! Good score.
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I cannot fathom an uglier paint job than what is already on it. Fortunately, anything you do to it will be an upgrade! For some reason I think it would be really neat in olive drab with a big white star on the door, lol! I like the drivetrain too! Good score.
Wasn't someone here looking for a 2dr '61 Suburban...?
Danny, it was Pete here that has been looking for a 2-door '61 wagon for eons. The search is now over!!!
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Location: Central Kentucky | Wow. That's awesome! Congrats Pete. And, I like your plans for her. She'll look good. I'll take any unwanted bits from her motor that you don't want.  That's one sweet 225!
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Location: Michigan | Good Grief, charlie brown- it's the great pumpkin! As bad as that paint is ,the cars bodylines still look sleek. I look forward to seeing it restored, whatever color you choose. Glad to see you finally caught your white whale! |
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Location: little rock, AR | I see you have the dual master cyl. Was there any kind of brake upgrade? I also think Subs need the luggage rack. Were there any rust issues hidden? |
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Location: Australia | 0501 7195 255 999 602
0501= may the 1st delivery date
7195= production sequence
2552= dr wagon, 6 pass
999= (no trim code of 999 on my decoder)
602= (this should be 2 letters and then either a 1 or a 2)
as for the VIN 2511178055
2= plymouth 6 cyl
5= savoy station wagon
1= 1961
1= detroit MI assembly plant
178055= 78055 production number
hope this helps somewhat, strange about the paint and trim codes, and that was the main thing you wanted to get decoded to change back to original... maybe try chrysler historical, maybe they will have this info on their sheet...
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Location: bishop, ca | The TRM code "999" indicates that there was something unusual about the color and/or the fabric/vinyl of the OEM upholstery!
The sad-thing is that neither the behind-dash Broadcast sheet nor the IBM card copy will confirm precisely what was 'special' about the interior fitment--they'll only show the "999" code, but will not explain what it was--although the Broadcast Sheet, that MAY have been dropped onto the floor pan, before the carpeting and the upholstery was installed, probably stated in its "Instructions" box what the 'special' upholstery was to have been.
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Location: N. Georgia | Man, I'll bet I will be able to hear that paint job for 10 minutes after I shut down the 'puter tonight!! But, great find, paint or not! |
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The fact that it had no back seat would be enough for a '999' code.
As the car was built for the American government, Chrysler may have had special code numbers for the various paint schemes the US government specified. Chrysler of Canada used three numeric paint codes for special paint jobs when they went to letters for production vehicles.
Should definitely get the build record from Chrysler Historical.
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Location: STL, MO | A guy in MCG had 2 of those he was trying to sell in Washington state a few yrs back, I wonder if that is one of them? |
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Location: Some Island called Prince Edward | Glad you found your dream car. I look forward to seeing your restoration. I agree olive drab would be cool! |
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Location: northern germany | that gotta be the ugliest paint/color combination i've ever seen! great car though |
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Location: bishop, ca | At least 'they' didn't paint over the OEM P/T plate!
Your car may well have considerable value to a Military Vehicle collector, if/when properly restored to its
original condition.
The car's OEM color WILL appear beneath the brake master cylinder mounting plate, on the firewall (and probably
behind the perimeter of the heater housing).
You can see where 'they' merely masked off that M/C plate when they 'hit' it with the day-glow Orange.
This would also make a fantastic era-correct Surf Wagon; but the USAF-route will not be particularly difficult to 'follow', as this car is so much of a purely utilitarian (stripper-) model.
You also know the car's FSN 'number', for door-stenciling USAF identification painting.
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Location: Georgia | Thanks for the comments, fellas! And thanks for de-coding, Adrianna.
Dorsey, she's got disc setup on the front from a '79 Chrysler, the master cyl. is late '60s era. They work great, but will prevent me from going to original 14" wheels.
The 'old skool' slant 6 is terrific. I'll be leaving that as is for now, it is quite fun.
I've got a few minor issues to work out before tearing her apart for paint, but I've got to get those colors off soon!
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Location: Georgia | Just a quick update, I've raised her back to factory height and put some mufflers and tailpipes on her.
Now, I begin the disassembly for paint.
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Location: Maryland | Cool find and glad you finally got your 2 door! As for colors, here is a pic of a '63 Merc Air Force Wagon. It looks as if it is a "glossy" color, the caption says it's painted a "Bluish Gray"
http://www.flickr.com/photos/38949371@N04/3709796562/
Maybe this will give you some inspiration:
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Location: Georgia | It's time to update y'all on my progress with my sweetheart; below are a few 'in progress' photos of paint prep.
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Location: Georgia | And now here she is today, the exterior complete. (If they are ever complete! )
I chose the '61 Plymouth color mint green, and thought it turned out well.
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Location: Williams California | Excellent job, Pete!!
I sure do prefer the mint green over what the previous owner thought was 'cool'!
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Location: Victoria, BC, on Vancouver Island, Canada | WOW what a difference, looks great compared to the wild orange & purple!! Very nice job. |
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Location: bishop, ca | Whole-y Guacamole, Batman!
That color happens to be the color that JoHan selected for the molded-in color on its 1961 1/25 scale Plymouth model
cars.
The stock body, with the era-looking worked-engine is fantastic!
As D. Moore said, in "Arthur" : "You must have really hated that 'moose'.
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Location: Heaven Above (Formerly Oklahoma City,OK) | Congrats on ditching the "EEEEEWw"! factor it came with, Pete.!!! Sharp, sharp, sharp! ! ! ! |
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Location: Upper East Tennessee | Pete! That is one beautiful car! |
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Location: Signal Mountain, TN | WOW! That thing has made one incredible transformation. Nice Job.
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Location: Georgia | Thank you very much for all the positive comments, fellas.
There is much more work to be done on her interior, it is in pieces at the moment. Actually, in the second to bottom photo above, you can see the purple dash reflection in the windshield!
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Location: San Antonio Tx | Pete
Looking "O"utstanding
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Location: Brooklyn NY | It looks great! In the body work photos it looked like no bad surprises as well...which I would say is pretty lucky.
I like the dog dish hub caps. I think those are the correct ones for 61. What 15" wheels did you use to fit the big dog dishes on? Enjoy your ride...Ralph from Brooklyn |
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I mean this in the most complimentary way, but this is the ultimate expression of
"anti-flash", ... a vacuum of uncool so bad it makes it cool. I just laugh at the thought
of all those hotrod red car kind of guys getting all yucked out over it. How did Plymouth
go from the 58 cars to this ? I only hope my stripper Plaza can be this uncool. Love it !
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Location: Georgia | Mucho gracias for the compliments!
Ralph, those rims are standard Mopar '67 and earlier 15x5.5 wheels, which take the bigger (10-inch) dog-dish hubcaps that grace our FL cars. However, I had to use some 3/4" spacers on the front to allow for disc brake clearance. It was not my first choice to use spacers, but I did want to keep the original style hubcaps without re-doing the front brakes, as they were done with the Volare conversion, rather than an AAJ kit or other that would allow for the 14-inch rims.
Brent, I have always been a fan of the "plain Jane" cars, your comment is a fine compliment! Thank you!
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Location: The Bat Cave, Fairborn, OH | Very nice indeed! Mint green is an attractive color for a station wagon, and a lot easier on the orbs than that orange and purple coat. I'm sure you will enjoy driving that car in the coming days.
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Location: bishop, ca | Pete, what can you tell us about how your ride's engine may be built?
225 engine; bored/stroked/shaved/carbs/whose-headers/twice-pipes-huh/trannie ?
Any special rear gears in it; Sure Grip?
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Location: Georgia | Neil, she's bored .030, with a small comp cam, Clifford headers, aluminum intake, Holley 390 4bbl, with a Chrysler 4-speed from a '69 Charger. The rear end was swapped to a '72 Challenger 8 3/4 with 2.94 gears, so she maintains well on the freeway. I cannot take any credit, as this was all done by the previous owner.
I can report that the more I drive her, the more I really enjoy this setup.
Thanks for the interest! And here she is at my last outing:
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Location: bishop, ca | YUP; the high rear end ratios are our cars' salvation!
The engines still look mean and sound nasty, but they cruise along at 20 MPG!
Glasspacks (which it's probably already got, too) will add a nice note of authority to the engine.
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Location: Australia | Oh! You made her beautiful again! Well done... I am sure you still have some help to give the interior, but the outside is 100x better! Love the colour also! I will update the page on your suburban now, you wouldn't even know or think it was the same car! Adriana |
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Location: Georgia | Well, I'd better update this thread, as I've finally finished the interior after a lengthy wait for SMS to make the door panels.
I tried to make it appear stock, while keeping a few of the 'upgrades' such as aftermarket gauges and 4-on-the-floor.
The shifter handle is actually from a '61 Valiant, I had to bend it a little at the base to make that wonderful curve fit well.
Also, the previous owner had mounted little generic turn signal indicators beneath the speedometer, as he had replaced the
original locations with aftermarket gauges. I did not want to loose these, but didn't like the little orange buttons. I ended up
using the parking brake indicator as my turn signal indicator, it doesn't distinguish between left or right turns, but is bright
enough to let me know its on. Plus, it gives a more original look to the dash.
Also, I installed carpet (which was not original to the car), as the rubber matting is pretty much impossible to find.
Here are a few before and after photos, I hope y'all enjoy.
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Nice job! You have saved this car! You have every right to be proud of such a good job of preserving such a fab car!
Sorry if you've already mentioned this, but where did you get those floor mats? Gotta have.
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Location: Minor Hill, TN | I have a 1961 plymouth fury. Mine is a 318 auto . I had a AM/FM cd player installed in mine. the Fm converter was not picking up stations really well . the radio I have in it now does ( I have it mounted under the dash) I also got the windows tinted to help keep the interrior cooler
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Location: Georgia | That's a nice Fury, Steph! I like the black, it really makes the bright work stand out.
FIN ME, the FL floor mats were a recent purchase from Gary Goers in Montana, I'm really happy with them.
Here are a few photos from a recent cruise.
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Location: Georgia | Dorsey, I went with basic Cooper "AV 4" 235/75R15 from my local tire store, I am happy with the size and style, very plain.
Although I do prefer the look of bias-plys, I plan on doing a lot of driving and opted for the radials because of ride and cost.
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Location: little rock, AR | Thanks Pete. I need to save 400.00 right now since I just ordered cloth material from SMS to have my seats redone.
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Location: Australia | That is absolutely amazing! You have brought the car back from the dead, one that many would have just not bothered with! Congratulations to you! Adriana |
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Location: Blythewood, SC | ARGH!!!
Pete, put some rattle can black over that green overspray in those wheel wells. It amazes me how many people miss that one little touch that doesn't even require masking to make a huge difference. |
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I love the B & W....
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Location: bishop, ca | I bought my car sight unseen (not even any photo-illustrations included in the Old Cars Weekly ad) in 1980.
When I saw some photos of it (..." a rust free original") after buying him, I saw some major white over spray in the wheel wells.
Turns out that that new paint covered some shoddy rust out cover-up work all along his lower areas (he had lived in the Chi-Town area).
Rattle can gloss black restores the appearance of OE undercoating very nicely.
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Location: Las Vegas, Nevada | I love the color. I recall MANY '61s being this color when these cars were still rather plentiful. Fawn or beige was another common color back in the day.
Nice turn around!
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Location: Georgia | Thanks for the comments, fellas! Kenny, I went with the Mint Green from the '61 Plymouth paint charts, not the original color
to the car but a 1961 color anyway. I do look forward to seeing your '59 wagon's transformation!
And Mista Copper, I'll hop on that black out right away!
Actually, I did paint the springs and wheel wells, but looks like I missed the brake line there and a few other bits.
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Location: Georgia | Sorry for the late reply, Rosy! I bought those floor mats from Goers; I believe you can find them on eBay now also.
Rather than make a new thread, I thought I'd share some photos of a trip I took with my brother down to Cedar Key, Florida,
a few weeks ago. I logged 557 miles on the trip, and "Firedance" (the name my daughter gave this car when she was little)
did well with no problems, except the windshield wipers refused to work. Thus, our trip was cut a little short by an irritating
storm named Colin.
Anywho, We decided to travel the old ways, not setting a tire on any interstates. Our first stop was Ashburn, GA, to take a photo
in front of the huge peanut, a monument to the industry that has made South Georgia famous, um, if it is famous, that is.
Next stop was a cool vintage motel in downtown Tifton, GA.
Then we finally made it to the Florida State Line.
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Location: Georgia | Well, we finally started seeing water, bringing a smile to my face! We made it to the "poor man's keys", Cedar Key.
Attached also is a photo of our lodging, no Marriott or Holiday Inn here!
Thank goodness.
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Location: Georgia | In these last two photos, I tried to re-create an image I bought from the Florida Archives.
The black and white is on 2nd Street, downtown Cedar Key, taken in 1965.
I positioned my wagon in almost the same spot, 51 years later.
Hope you enjoy the photos.
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Location: Ocala, Florida | Neat photos Pete. Super cool comparison. Awesome wagon too! |
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Location: WA/USA | I had seen pictures at both stages but until now had no idea that these were the same car. Much better now! |
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| Looks good. Wish you were closer, it would be cool to get the wagons together for some pics. My interior is just about done. I need to get some updated pictures on here.
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Location: little rock, AR | I didn't realize that's a heater delete car. Also, since its a radio delete send me the speaker grill and I'll send you some Arkansaw Chicken wire to replace it with. LOL |
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| Oldwood, I got that Fury dash trim polished up and installed in the wagon. I'll have to post some pics. Really woke up the dash. |
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Location: Georgia | 61ply2drwgn - 2016-06-29 11:09 PM
Looks good. Wish you were closer, it would be cool to get the wagons together for some pics. My interior is just about done. I need to get some updated pictures on here.
Thanks Derek! Please update your thread when you finish your interior. I can't wait to see what she looks like.
Maybe one day I'll take a longer journey with the wagon and we can meet in person--since our cars are twin sisters from birth!
Dorsey, she actually had a heater new (being from North Dakota, I suppose the USAF didn't want their airmen to freeze!) but it is not connected and I've got the block off plate on the dash. I'm still holding out to find a real firewall blockoff plate.
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| I know this is a old thread,but if you still have this wagon,I have the perfect luggage accessory for you. I got these at a garage sale awhile back. They are US Air Force carry cases for 35mm cameras. It's probably what your wagon used to haul for the AF.
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Location: Georgia | Those boxes are cool, Rocco! And, yes, they would look good in the back of my wagon!
What size are they and how many?
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| There are 2 ,They measure 21x13x17 . They are fairly sizable and military qualiity. I believe these would held suvailance 35 mm film cameras for underwing aircraft. I also have (but have misplaced) 35 mm film from the Thunderbirds air show footage where the cameras were used. The films were dated 1959. I believe I paid $20 for the cases. There yours for $20 plus shipping. If your interested?
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