1958 regal lancer restoration
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Posted 2011-06-03 8:57 PM (#275315)
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Just imported this 1958 regal lancer into uk from kansas, original copper over black car, with help from neil data plate shows it has following:

built 2/1/58
torqueflite trans
power brakes
powers steering
air foam rear seat
variable speed wipers
o/s mirror
solex tinted glass
under hood mat
rear speaker with fader

also has the dual rear anntenas, has usual rust in rockers and lower quarters, interior mostly trash will need fully redoing, have found a company over here that could possible recreate the foam headliner in copper colour, the visors cleaned up like new so thats a bonus, somebody has replaced the seats and headliner out of a 57, door panels still there although need retrimming and padded dash has shunk and perished, not had car running has engine was removed to rebuild, its a 350 with single 4 barrel.





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Posted 2011-06-03 9:06 PM (#275318 - in reply to #275315)
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just looking at the dealer emblem on trunk lid looks like it was supplied new by Markley Motors in Colorado, just done some searching a looks to have been a dodge dealer in the 50`s,still around and now a honda dealer, possibly could have been around the Colorado Kansas area most of its life? does anyone recognise the car?



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Posted 2011-06-03 10:14 PM (#275333 - in reply to #275315)
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Congrats on the car - NICE colors - can't wait to see what you do with it . . .





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Posted 2011-06-03 11:50 PM (#275344 - in reply to #275315)
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I hope this will be a continuing thread, I am looking forward to seeing this car redone.
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Posted 2011-06-04 12:03 AM (#275347 - in reply to #275344)
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Wow! Congratulations again, Paul! You know most of what I do from the other thread. Have you received the IBM card from Chrysler Historical yet? I would be curious if Markley was the original seller or a used car seller. That dealer emblem looks like it might be of a later vintage to me - it will be interesting to find out more.

Now I am confused! I thought this car had the D-500 option and someone had put a dual four intake on the engine, but it was originally a plain D-500?

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Posted 2011-06-04 5:06 AM (#275358 - in reply to #275318)
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My DeSoto had this same dealer tag on the rear deck with a tiny FL emblem beside it.

Did Markley sell DeSotos too ?
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Posted 2011-06-04 10:00 AM (#275387 - in reply to #275347)
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Lancer Mike - 2011-06-04 5:03 AM

Wow! Congratulations again, Paul! You know most of what I do from the other thread. Have you received the IBM card from Chrysler Historical yet? I would be curious if Markley was the original seller or a used car seller. That dealer emblem looks like it might be of a later vintage to me - it will be interesting to find out more.

Now I am confused! I thought this car had the D-500 option and someone had put a dual four intake on the engine, but it was originally a plain D-500?


mike,none D-500 this is a different car to the one i think you know, looks like there are 2 same color in Kansas?pictures below are a different car.

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Posted 2011-06-04 12:01 PM (#275401 - in reply to #275315)
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Awesome car. This thing is gonna be really nice when you are done. Cool deal on the dealer tag, too.

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Posted 2011-06-04 2:40 PM (#275420 - in reply to #275401)
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Good thread, Paul.

Now that you are 'into' the doors, you should remove the door latches (my newest pet-peeve, for potentially unforseeable
disaster)....and closely examine the condition of the INNER gear teeth, which are not visible unless the latch is removed.

You can see what I'm talking about over on our most recent page of What-Did-You-Do-To-Your-Car-Today thread.

If the lower/inner gear teeth are not badly hammered, you can take a dremel-type tool and slightly grind down the wear
impressions on them.

As nobody but you-n-me knows about this potential FUBAR situation (FUBAR being much worse than SNAFU), you should be
able to buy a replacement door latch assembly(ies) fairly easily/cheaply, but, you are going to be looking for one(s) with GOOD
condition lower/inner gear teeth---you want the seller to show you the condition of those inner gear teeth before you commit to
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Posted 2011-06-04 7:38 PM (#275448 - in reply to #275420)
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Another thing, Paul: when you unscrew the bolt that connects the door handle's lifting-lever, to the latch's lifting-lever (via
that big hole that is covered by the rubber plug, in the side of the door)....take that shortish bolt to your hardware store
and buy two more (one for the passenger's side, too) of them, but in about 1.5"(+) length, and buy a couple (large-enuf
to get a good grip across the width of the two lifting levers) 'star-washers', and a couple small-ish lock-washers.

The long bolts will allow you to hold onto the bolts as you fish them thru the door access opening and into the lock-nut that
is welded onto the door handle's lifting-lever----without accidentally dropping that OEM-short-bolt into the bowels of
the door, when you might be attempting to adjust the door handle's action with the trim panel, et al, still attached to the intact
door.

The star washer and lock washer allow for a tight secure gripping of the two lifting-levers, and that long-bolt merely hangs in the
air, inside the door, touching nothing.

But, you'll find that you'll need to (keep-on) adjusting the positioning of those two lifting levers' attachment points so as to
coordinate the operation of the door key-lock with the door handle.

You'll probably find that when the door wants to open/close smoothly the door key will not want to operate the lock, and vice
versa....there IS a sweet spot in the two lifting levers' attachment where both the key system and the door operation will work
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Posted 2011-06-04 7:54 PM (#275450 - in reply to #275315)
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One final (next-) suggestion, since you are just beginning your restoration odyssey: go find a 2.93:1 or a
2.76:1 differential for your car; it has a 3.36:1 in it right now.

The high ratio will make your car operate quietly and your wallet will thank you for the increased MPG.

And (this part's easy): go find an XJ Jag's fan clutch; it'll bolt up to your engine with simple modification; the engine
will run a lot quieter (without the whang-whang-whang noise) and more efficiently, and the XJ-guy looks like its OEM.

You need that XJ as it is short enough, overall, to fit easily between the water pump and the radiator.





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Posted 2011-06-05 11:12 PM (#275607 - in reply to #275450)
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I'll be! That is the one I was thinking of Neil! Amazing to see two of these, although I don't know why. There should be more of them out there somewhere. Now we just need to find a picture of a restored one in this color combination!
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Posted 2011-06-06 7:36 PM (#275744 - in reply to #275315)
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So, Mike, do we need to increase our Regal Lancer Registry by one additional car?




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Posted 2011-06-07 11:58 AM (#275852 - in reply to #275744)
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We definitely do, Neil. All along, I had thought Paul bought the other bronze over black Regal - this is one I had never seen previously. It is amazing that they both have a Colorado connection, perhaps Kansas too!
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Joe Mac
Posted 2011-06-15 10:30 PM (#276863 - in reply to #275315)
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The two black/copper Regals on this thread are the only two I know of; by far the rarest color combo. I don't know if you guys are keeping a "registry" but my very unofficial one has 25 firm and as many as 32 Regal Lancers now known. The way they keep popping up, there are surely many more. Keep us updated on the resto Paul. I hope yours progresses faster than mine .
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Posted 2011-06-16 6:03 PM (#276927 - in reply to #276863)
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Hi, Joe -

Good to see your post! I don't think anyone here has a "Regal registry" on par with Ed Petrus' registry of 1957 De Sotos, but it sure would be fun to put one together! The only thing we have is a loose affiliation of pictures and owners/fans in that multi-page thread that originally started in the eBay/Craigslist forum.

If we were going to try to put together a registry, what type of information would we need? I like Ed's registry - he always trys to get VIN numbers and ownership information if he can.
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Posted 2011-06-16 9:37 PM (#276962 - in reply to #275315)
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Mike,
I have a spreadsheet with as much info about a car, the owner and its history as I can get. VIN, data plate, condition, everything. Some owners have agreed to send me info when I've asked, others don't respond. I respect people's right to privacy, whatever I can get is OK. I also have an archive of photos. I have an extensive photo collection of Regal Lancers. If any Regal owners read this post and want to PM me we can exchange info. My only intent is to track these rare Forward Look Dodges. I can also help with sourcing some parts based on my own searches.
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Posted 2011-06-16 9:57 PM (#276967 - in reply to #276962)
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Well, that settles it Joe! You now have The Official Regal Registry! I think that is great. Even though I don't own one of these, I am a big fan. That is important for all of us to know - if I ever sniff out another Regal, I will try my best to get the owner to get in touch with you.

It seems like a bunch of the folks around here know to send '57 De Soto owners to Ed Petrus.
Now we just need to make sure everyone knows to send '58 Regal owners to Joe Mac!

If you have any internet skills, it would be fun to create your own '58 Regal webpage. I think Ed did that for the '57 De Soto and that's how he gets a bunch of people to register. I wish I knew more about how to do it, but it seems like you could create a pretty basic web page with general information, pictures of brochures, bulletins, production data, etc from the big thread and then have photos of surviving cars and a link to your e-mail so folks can contact you to register. Unfortunately, I am big talk and no action over here!
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Posted 2011-06-17 4:47 PM (#277063 - in reply to #275315)
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And, of course, 'we' are only keeping track of a production run of 1,163 cars!

Few of which were convertibles and very few of which were convertible station wagons.




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Posted 2011-06-23 7:52 PM (#277697 - in reply to #275315)
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did a couple of hours on car tonight manage to strip most of front and right fender, only broke 2 bolts rest came undone no problem,

fenders in good shape right one a little rot at front where cross panel joins, left one a bit more over headlights most of the undeseal flakes off leaving black shiny paint.



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Posted 2011-06-23 7:55 PM (#277699 - in reply to #275315)
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never seen these before on a dodge, must be regal only they are aluminium, and cover the seam at bottom of screen pillar.

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Joe Mac
Posted 2011-06-28 9:53 PM (#278407 - in reply to #275315)
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Yes! I have them and it's been so long since I took them off that I forgot where they came from. Thanks for posting that pic. I'm sure you're taking lots of pictures, I didn't take enough, but then when I took my car apart the digital camera wasn't available. I can't see in the photos if the colors of your car are written in yellow crayon on the firewall below the right side hood hinge. You can only make them out when this much dis-assembly is done. The copper poly color will be referred to as bronze. It should read "Bronze Bronze Black" in descending order. Only Regals are marked this way. You're off to a good start. Keep the progress photos coming.
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Posted 2011-06-29 5:00 PM (#278520 - in reply to #278407)
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Hi, Paul -

I had a '58 Custom Royal Lancer sedan that had those stainless pieces. I thought they came on the Custom Royals and Regals. Definitely not on the Royals or Coronets.
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Posted 2011-08-10 4:04 PM (#284201 - in reply to #275315)
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been doin a bit more and nearly ready for body off, just need glass out and column takin off, all body bolts are already out, looking at the underseal on the car looks like it was done after body mounted, as the chassis is covered in it, unless its been redone over the years, the bits that are flaking off the underside the body is black underneath and also inside of the trunk, instead of the green/grey colour.



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Posted 2011-08-10 6:31 PM (#284225 - in reply to #275315)
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Thanks for the Update and PICs.. I enjoy watching Restores of Members Cars... Keep them coming Paul..


Clive..

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Hi, Paul -

I had a '58 Custom Royal Lancer sedan that had those stainless pieces. I thought they came on the Custom Royals and Regals. Definitely not on the Royals or Coronets.


Mike / Paul.. I meant to post this the other Week.. Whilst cleaning the 59 Dodge " Custom " Coronet , I noticed it Also has those Stainless Pieces fitted...

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Posted 2011-08-10 8:21 PM (#284242 - in reply to #284225)
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Paul, IIRC, your car was not factory undercoated.

You can look at the top-undersides of the front fenders (wings), as a good example, and if they do not have any
dimensionally thick undercoating on them (as appears on the insides of the doors and trunk --boot--) : just painted bare
metal, in other words, then, whatever undercoating that you do find on the undercarriage areas was applied in an after-market
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Posted 2011-08-10 9:23 PM (#284250 - in reply to #284242)
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Posted 2011-08-12 11:47 AM (#284409 - in reply to #284250)
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I would guess that it is a 5ASA?

Clive - I was thinking of the '58 Models, but maybe it was a early production, late production thing?

Paul - was there ever anyone else interested in reproducing the exhaust deflectors?
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Posted 2011-08-13 11:22 AM (#284526 - in reply to #275315)
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Hi Sprigsweptwing !

I love your "Regal", that is one of the FL cars i would realy love to own, I look'ed for one for years,
but I never had the luck, then I found my '58 Chrysler "Dartline" another small series spring FL car, but I didn't know that
untill long after I bourgth it, now I run a thread abouth Dartline's.

Gut luck with the resto. of your beautiful car, hope to see more.

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Posted 2011-08-13 3:39 PM (#284554 - in reply to #284526)
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Paul, do you intend to sand blast your car's undercarriage?

There were very specific suspension items that were not painted, on your car.

Those parts can be powder coated in 'Natural' finish; I wish that powder coating had been available to me, back in 1980!

Your car's exhaust pipes can be made up out of Aluminized steel---that finish looks like fresh steel; not real shiney.

There has been one "Sono 4-X" muffler listed on the evilpay, recently, by our own "Hemidenis", iirc.

I'll PM you that auction, if it is still going on, because you NEED (two of-) this muffler, for your car!

I envy you your proper restoration of this car.




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finally got the rear bumper bolts undone, and body removed from frame, will make a dolly up to put body on while i get on with the frame.



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Posted 2011-08-17 4:53 PM (#285083 - in reply to #277063)
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d500neil - 2011-06-17 4:47 PM

And, of course, 'we' are only keeping track of a production run of 1,163 cars!

Few of which were convertibles and very few of which were convertible station wagons.




CONVERTIBLE STATION WAGONS ?????. I never knew there was such a beast. Anyone got any pix?
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Posted 2011-08-17 5:56 PM (#285088 - in reply to #285083)
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Uh, no....joshing y'all; no convertible Regals built, neither.




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Posted 2011-08-29 9:33 AM (#286640 - in reply to #275315)
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Posted 2011-12-02 6:23 PM (#298265 - in reply to #275315)
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Paul; just PM'ed you...
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Posted 2011-12-09 7:56 AM (#299149 - in reply to #275315)
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Posted 2011-12-09 7:05 PM (#299214 - in reply to #299149)
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Will be 512ci twin turbo,viper diff, irs rear end, only original panels are 3/4 of floor and inner rear quarters and roof frame, will post some pics if you want.

thanks Paul.
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Posted 2012-05-20 4:09 PM (#322074 - in reply to #275315)
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Well its been a while but finally had chance to start on frame, just axle and springs to take off, a few dings to straighten out then ready for powder coat, most of the front end suspension was bare steel unpainted, will sort through it all



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Posted 2012-05-20 4:13 PM (#322077 - in reply to #275315)
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Engine block on stand ready to be stripped, notice the copper paint under the silver ( as mentioned before in other threads ) ?

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springsweptwing - 2012-05-20 4:13 PM Engine block on stand ready to be stripped, notice the copper paint under the silver ( as mentioned before in other threads ) ?

Yeah, my motor ('57 Dodge) was copper.  My car was otherwise totally original with original paint, interior, all clamps on motor...every detail you can imagine.  But a copper painted motor (including in places that could not have been painted unless the motor was removed.)

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Posted 2012-07-30 9:16 AM (#332294 - in reply to #275315)
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Frame back from blasters, unfortunately it would not fit in there over so not powder coated, searched all over the rails and eventually found the engine number stamped into the top of the frame very faint but you can just make out the L350 followed by the number.



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Posted 2012-08-04 10:40 PM (#333259 - in reply to #275315)
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Great find Paul. I've heard there was a freme number, possibly VIN, but this picture settles that question. Does this mean we can call our cars numbers-matching like the brand X guys?
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Posted 2012-08-06 8:57 AM (#333445 - in reply to #275315)
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Hi Joe,

yes numbers matching, will try to get a better picture showing the numbers,

have found a good match for the copper, will see what it comes back as with paint shop,

Paul.



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Posted 2012-08-06 8:44 PM (#333550 - in reply to #275315)
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Paul,
That chip looks great. Where did you get it? Custom mix or formula?

I'll be taking my body off the frame in a week or so. I'll check that spot for a number on mine. Is that the driver's side?
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Posted 2012-08-06 9:12 PM (#333551 - in reply to #333550)
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Joe, its from my selector cards, i dont have a mixing system anymore so will wait to hear from paint suppliers to find out what car its from,

the number is on the drivers side where the front seat mount would be, did i send you the info on the car for your register?

Paul.
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Posted 2012-10-17 9:59 AM (#343433 - in reply to #275315)
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Posted 2013-12-11 1:59 PM (#415664 - in reply to #275315)
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Ok, back on track with this, finally got some paint on the frame and some suspension parts painted, just waiting on bolts etc to come back from platers then i can get to putting the frame together, body has been sat now for over a year so has a layer of surface rust on will try to get some done on that over the next few months and hopefully get the body back on the frame



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Beautiful color combo and very nice work so far!
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Posted 2013-12-11 3:38 PM (#415688 - in reply to #275315)
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What Henric said...good thread btw
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Posted 2013-12-11 3:43 PM (#415689 - in reply to #275315)
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Hey Paul,

So you are keeping the Regal Lancer and carrying on with the Restore i guess..

Superb News if so, I was saddened to see it for sale the other month..

Clive
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Posted 2013-12-11 4:16 PM (#415690 - in reply to #415689)
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Wonderful thread, Paul, thanks for directing me here.
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Posted 2013-12-15 2:28 PM (#416448 - in reply to #275315)
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Clive, yes back on with it, sorted a few things around so i can concentrate on one thing at once,there was no real interest in the car when it was for sale?

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Posted 2013-12-15 2:31 PM (#416449 - in reply to #275315)
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Painted the bare metal parts on front suspension, also painted in the welds as would have been visible on the bare steel, the bump stops are T4 Volkswagen if any one is looking for some, they are a bit bigger diameter but will do for now till i can get some OEM ones.



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Posted 2013-12-15 3:03 PM (#416456 - in reply to #416449)
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Hi, Paul:

Great to see you are still moving forward on this wonderful car. I had thought maybe it sold at a ridiculously low price - so I'm glad to see you didn't let it go for a song. I hope your health is well and you enjoy the holidays!
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Posted 2013-12-16 12:36 AM (#416562 - in reply to #416449)
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Hi Paul,
I was a concours judge with the 300 club Int'n. for more than 20 years and I have NEVER seen anyone try to replicate the mig weld bluing/discolouration on raw steel like you have. You have taken restorative work to a whole new height. My hat is off to you!! Well done!
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Posted 2013-12-16 1:36 AM (#416564 - in reply to #416449)
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As restoration junkies we still have another replication to solve. ALL upper and lower control arms as well as all other brackets were stamped from "hot rolled pickeled and oiled" coiled steel. This steel had a very particular, sort of blotched, appearance. I worked in these steel stamping plants in late high school and university. All the bits that Paul has shown to be welded is correct. We still have to duplicate the original appearance of HR P&O steel!!
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Posted 2013-12-16 2:43 AM (#416570 - in reply to #416564)
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Things of beauty.


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Posted 2013-12-16 6:46 AM (#416581 - in reply to #275315)
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Paul,

nice work, but I thought, you've sold that car two month ago at ebay
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Posted 2013-12-16 9:43 AM (#416600 - in reply to #275315)
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Neat as a pin, springsweptwing!



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Posted 2013-12-16 12:02 PM (#416635 - in reply to #416600)
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Nice work and glad you were able to keep it... the market seems off, we're experiencing no real interest in our '58 Windsor/Dodge either so may proceed with a resto, willing and able or not, but it may not be an entirely bad thing in the end, if it can be pulled off... and we have no illusions of doing the kind of superb job seen here!
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Posted 2013-12-16 2:47 PM (#416675 - in reply to #416635)
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Roger, if you are going to be rebuilding the front suspension, it is not a big deal to 'sand-blast' the components.

The best thing to do with those pieces is to have them be powder coated in natural-bare metal (being sure to
protect any mating-surfaces).

Clear coat will wear off and or show surface corrosion, quickly, and natural 'paint' is OK, but needs touching up.

The powder coat will only require a wipe-off with mild solvent to restore their finish.

The driveline is in natural-shiny appearance; after removing the gunk from it, it can be polished and heavily clear-coated.

The differential carrier assembly is in natural bare-metal/cast iron.

After you strip/brush-grind it as well as possible, you can apply natural finish bare-steel paint to it.

None of this is very difficult to do.


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Posted 2013-12-19 4:18 PM (#417355 - in reply to #275315)
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FYI - Do not wipe off powder coatings with Lacquer Thinner!!! It will dissolve the coating........
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Posted 2013-12-19 5:03 PM (#417368 - in reply to #417355)
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Didn't know that; thanks.

How fast does the lacquer thinner attack the PC?

Sandblasting doesn't work very well/easily against PC (coarse material required).

Acetone will really attack some plastics; how does it affect PC?



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Posted 2013-12-19 9:06 PM (#417428 - in reply to #417368)
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d500neil - 2013-12-19 10:03 PM

Didn't know that; thanks.

How fast does the lacquer thinner attack the PC?

Sandblasting doesn't work very well/easily against PC (coarse material required).

Acetone will really attack some plastics; how does it affect PC?





that is what PC is, a plastic coating, plus if you do get any chips on your parts that are subjected to the weather, rust will work its way under,



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Posted 2013-12-19 9:30 PM (#417435 - in reply to #417428)
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Powder coating SUCKS for use on ANY surface that will sustain joint cracks, surface chips, etc. It WILL
peel off like a #@! potato chip and cannot be repaired like paint. It requires the TOTAL (and PITA) sand
blast cleanup and redo of the powder coating (if you are so inclined to repeat the mistake) !!!

Powder coating may be great for non-exposed apps, but honestly, once damaged and exposed to moisture,
can go to hell in a hurry. The big hassle is that desired "hard surface" material is a major fight to UN-coat
off your part/s, and touch up is not a possible option.

Paint is a far better surface coater in most auto apps.
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Posted 2013-12-19 9:32 PM (#417437 - in reply to #417428)
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Exactly, think of powder coating as a ziplock bag, it keeps everything out but when you get a pinhole or a chip in it, it also then hold moisture in under the surface. Draw Tite hitches are a good example if you have seen one in this area, Michigan, they rust from under the p.c. Also paint can be touched up P.C. has to be reprocessed. Very Nice Work.


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Posted 2014-01-31 9:51 AM (#425069 - in reply to #275315)
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Got my plating back just after new year, sorted out most of the Dodge bits, and started on putting the frame back together, with the info that Greg had in his pictures and other pictures i could find, i have done what i think the markings would look like, any other info on marking etc would be welcome,

Paul.



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Posted 2014-01-31 9:53 AM (#425070 - in reply to #275315)
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Frame pictures, backing plates for brakes on loose as waiting fr cylinders, Paul.



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Posted 2014-01-31 4:44 PM (#425143 - in reply to #275315)
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Very, very nice!!!

The Swedes should take lessons from you; they tend to paint everything in/on the chassis in gloss black.

The T/bars' paint daubs WILL be visible, from underneath the car, when the car is assembled and the
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Posted 2014-03-10 10:08 AM (#430603 - in reply to #275315)
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getting there slowly, had a break from bodywork and decided to try out the copper paint i had matched to the original, it looks darker than it is under the lights, but the column is the colour it looks in daylight, the rear speaker surround is the same colour as dash, non of the die-cast pieces were originally primered and the paint just chips away,

thanks Paul.



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Posted 2014-03-10 10:12 AM (#430604 - in reply to #275315)
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Original parts before painting, colour matched to a hyundai copper, will post the code if anyone struggling with a colour match, thanks Paul.



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Posted 2014-03-10 10:16 AM (#430605 - in reply to #275315)
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Going to have a play around with the dash inserts next, just deciding best way to mask off all those dots? bronze colour is different to dash colour, steering horn ring will have to wait until i can find a better one or have this one plated, Paul.



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Posted 2014-03-10 1:08 PM (#430624 - in reply to #430605)
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Wow! Great work, Paul! Thanks for the updates. If you could just drop a bead of wax or a sticky bb into each of those dimples and then spray without upsetting the whole thing...
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Posted 2014-03-10 2:58 PM (#430632 - in reply to #275315)
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Way to go Paul, that looks really good and it sure is the fun part of it; assemble all the clean and treated parts.
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Posted 2014-03-11 11:17 AM (#430740 - in reply to #275315)
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Wonderful thread, love the colour.
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Posted 2014-03-11 12:38 PM (#430756 - in reply to #275315)
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Very impressive! You are one patient and hard working guy!

It's all looking great!

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Posted 2014-03-11 1:56 PM (#430766 - in reply to #430756)
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Wow! You do a very Great work
I like what i see at pics.
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Posted 2014-03-13 9:54 AM (#431019 - in reply to #275315)
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Thanks for the positive replies guys, Mike i had a idea of dropping some mould release agent in each of the holes, but after painting the pattern was not consistent



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Posted 2014-03-13 9:59 AM (#431021 - in reply to #275315)
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In the end i just painted then went over every hole with a 1/8 drill bit by hand to clean out the dimples, looks as original and every dimple is the same size, next gauge surround to do, thanks Paul.



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Posted 2014-03-13 10:26 AM (#431023 - in reply to #431021)
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Wish I had the time and patience to do a rebuild like this, I admire your dedication to it


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Posted 2014-03-13 12:04 PM (#431033 - in reply to #275315)
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Would the frame have had the part numbers stenciled on it like that? I thought only replacment parts had part number identifications marked on them???? Just asking, not criticizing.......very nice work indeed...
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Posted 2014-03-13 9:02 PM (#431114 - in reply to #275315)
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Bob, there was some kind of White markings there under what was left of the underseal, so i thought it may have been a number on the frame? The 183 was there and is also chalked on the cowl near the data plate, every other marking is just from information i have gathered from other pictures, Paul.



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Posted 2014-03-13 9:04 PM (#431115 - in reply to #275315)
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Finished up the guage surround tonight



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Posted 2014-03-13 9:35 PM (#431130 - in reply to #431115)
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Paul, that looks fantastic. Trying to mess around with those dimples is probably just too much unless there is some very simple solution - the painted dimples look excellent to me. That's an area that many Regal restorers seem to miss.
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Posted 2014-03-13 10:08 PM (#431138 - in reply to #431130)
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Truly MoPar Madness.

I had thought that most-all of the production Regals had/have chrome-shiny facias, and not the regal-copper color(ed)
toned ones.

Thoughts?






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Posted 2014-03-22 4:13 PM (#432489 - in reply to #431138)
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Great work, Paul. I'm glad you kept the car!!

The dash inserts on my Regal were originally bronze.
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Posted 2014-03-22 6:27 PM (#432505 - in reply to #275315)
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Awesome work Paul!

And Greg...great to see you back on here again!
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Posted 2014-04-08 2:01 AM (#435033 - in reply to #432505)
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Paul, just a note for the future. When you get to the interior vinyl etc. get in touch with me. While I don't have any of the copper threaded cloth I do have vinyl left over that SMS had and embossed for me.
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Posted 2014-04-08 3:27 PM (#435098 - in reply to #275315)
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SMS should already have (a lot of) the Regal Lancer upholstery cloth loomed up, ready to sell.

There's another Regal Mystery (in addition to the others, shown/discussed on earlier thread pages): how and why were
there different colors of the dash-insert panels, and how many were built in either color?

At least, we know the production total of the RL models.

My SWAG is that (only-) the earlier models got the bronze inserts...but, never-say-always.



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Posted 2014-04-08 3:44 PM (#435104 - in reply to #275315)
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Just as a measure of Paul's O.C.D. (attention to detail!), he could have had his car's dash inserts
look like these, on A. Lejins' Regal; standard 58 Dodge pieces.

BTW, this car was built o.o.a. 3/6/58, so, it was not one of the 'early' built exemplars.



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Posted 2014-04-08 4:26 PM (#435109 - in reply to #275315)
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I've never saw stenciled numbers like that on assembly line parts.....very interesting. Keep up the excellent work!!!
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Posted 2014-04-08 11:33 PM (#435147 - in reply to #435104)
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Neil, the dash inserts in my Regal looked exactly like a regular 58 Dodge. No hint of any copper at all. I left them that way-- just like Aivar did. BUT, when you take them apart the copper colouring shows under all the edges covered by gauge and surround bezels. This is why I said that the copper colouring was definitely NOT paint. It was a fragile anodizing that faded to nothing in daylight.

Unless one was there when these inserts were actually disassembled for any particular car one could never know whether they were copper coloured or not.
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Posted 2014-06-29 12:12 AM (#447082 - in reply to #275315)
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Paul, why is the frame factory-OEM painted 1-9-57A, upside-down, and you painted 2-1-58A, right-side up, on a frame rail?




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Posted 2014-06-29 7:08 AM (#447103 - in reply to #275315)
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Isn't the 1-9-57 one from a red and white 57 Desoto convertible in Sweden?
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Posted 2014-11-23 11:21 PM (#462628 - in reply to #275315)
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Bit more done, will post more pictures when i get them off camera, in mean time steering box rebuilt and painted, found some white paint marks on which would have been done before fitting as it had run down length off steering box.



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Posted 2014-11-24 11:55 PM (#462729 - in reply to #275315)
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Great to see you posting again, Paul. Wonderful thread, keep up the good work! Look forward to seeing more!
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Posted 2014-11-25 12:07 AM (#462730 - in reply to #462729)
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Glad to see that you reproduced that paint daub as it was done---- with runs!! I have always thought of these as being inspection marks. You know, made by an inspector who was just paid to watch a particular, or series of procedures being done and completed. When completed, he simply painted his "Mark"! There were no points for neatness!
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Posted 2014-11-25 1:40 AM (#462734 - in reply to #462730)
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Going back to Greg's comment/posting, of 4/18/14, above, the Regal Lancer literature does show 'bronze' colored/lacquered glove box and dash inserts on the car.

Chrome finish inserts look 'wrong' on a Regal Lancer's dash board.
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Posted 2014-11-25 11:27 AM (#462749 - in reply to #462734)
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Great work, Paul! Very few restorers would take the time to recreate these details! Your Regal is going to be outstanding.
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Been on with rear axle today, axle casing a bit rusty so not to easy to see the original markings but it looks as though there is a Yellow X on the front and a Green paint daub on the rear, the differential housing as far as i can tell was originally Black and has Blue and Green paint daubs on the side, there are also some Yellow marks on the yoke near the UJ and pinion nut?



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Posted 2014-12-08 1:48 AM (#463953 - in reply to #275315)
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I'd like to share a few drinks with Paul & Greg....talking about restoration details; but they'd probably have me under the table quickly.



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Posted 2014-12-08 12:48 PM (#463984 - in reply to #463953)
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Restorative details and drinks should go well together!! Paul is taking anything I had to new levels. Great work and thanks for sharing!

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Posted 2014-12-10 8:38 PM (#464272 - in reply to #275315)
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Differential, cleaned, new oil seal and painted ready to install.



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Posted 2014-12-10 10:15 PM (#464283 - in reply to #464272)
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Paul, if it is not too late, our cars' differential carriers are NOT painted, but should appear in unpainted, bare-metal finish.

If I were near my computer files, I could send you several pictures, of correctly finished/appearing restored carrier assemblies.

But Greg has good images that he can send to you of properly-appearing carrier assemblies.

A real "bare-cast iron" carrier will naturally corrode(duh).

A fully-stripped/blasted (good luck) carrier, with a very heavy clear coat application will also [eventually] corrode.

Your best bet is to clean/sand-blast the carrier's surface, back to bare OEM rough-finish and then brush-on/apply "bare-steel" paint over the
now-roughened cast iron surface, because 'nobody' will get up-close-and-personal with the carrier, once its installed
in the chassis, to detect (easily) that the carrier unit is painted----you can clear-coat over the carrier's securing-nuts, to keep them shiny.


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Posted 2014-12-11 12:09 AM (#464293 - in reply to #464283)
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I guess the difficult question here is whether to restore to what we believe to be "how these items left the factory" OR how it actually did leave the factory?!! The majority of research would support what Neil said.

Obviously, this carrier was black painted BEFORE it got any inspection or ID paint daubs applied to it. A good strong argument that that is how it left the factory!!

In order to support the decision, Paul should pop a few of his pics in the glovebox. Should make for some fun discussions down the road!

In any case, I'm looking forward to viewing Paul's project when it is done. Good job!!

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Posted 2014-12-11 12:28 AM (#464295 - in reply to #275315)
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Well, the 'first' question would be: IS that Paul's car's OEM carrier/AXLE housing assembly.... and is it (presently) finished in its OEM paint scheme: "gloss black" (OK; that's two questions).

What do the paint daubs specifically identify, for Paul's axle assembly?

Next question is: why does it (Paul's car) have a black painted carrier assembly on it?

Wish I had access to my file records, now, but no....

All evidence, to date, on the OEM carriers, is that they were NOT painted...and, this is supported by a particular Technical Service Bulletin, from 3/57 (IIRC, now).

Finally, the axle assemblies happen to look GOOD....having non-painted carrier assemblies on them.

The axle prop shafts are shiny bare steel, OEM.





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Posted 2014-12-11 6:33 AM (#464315 - in reply to #275315)
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I like original cars, but if you pull it apart and rebuild it, is it original still?

I have a saying, Paint it black, and put it back!

By the way, looks like you are doing a superb job on that car, well done.

Steve.

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Posted 2014-12-11 7:03 AM (#464316 - in reply to #275315)
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Hi Paul,

I've seen on picture "diff paint4.JPG" a Mini 90 onwards at background.....
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Posted 2014-12-12 1:46 AM (#464422 - in reply to #275315)
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Yeah..Paul is doing a superb job, to date!

The OEM differential carrier housing is supposed to appear in un-painted natural-factory-preparation/assembly appearance.


There is a Technical Service Bulletin that was specifically issued to address/confirm the chassis/suspension components that were not painted...
including the carrier assemblies.


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Posted 2014-12-12 2:05 AM (#464425 - in reply to #464422)
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Here you-all go:

http://www.forwardlook.net/forums/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=34786&... chassis&highlightmode=1#M415703



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Posted 2014-12-12 9:21 PM (#464481 - in reply to #464316)
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ToMopar - 2014-12-11 12:03 PM

Hi Paul,

I've seen on picture "diff paint4.JPG" a Mini 90 onwards at background.....


Hi Tom,

yes 1990 Mini, ongoing project lad`s first car.
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Posted 2014-12-12 9:35 PM (#464483 - in reply to #464295)
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d500neil - 2014-12-11 5:28 AM

Well, the 'first' question would be: IS that Paul's car's OEM carrier/AXLE housing assembly.... and is it (presently) finished in its OEM paint scheme: "gloss black" (OK; that's two questions).

What do the paint daubs specifically identify, for Paul's axle assembly?

Next question is: why does it (Paul's car) have a black painted carrier assembly on it?

Wish I had access to my file records, now, but no....

All evidence, to date, on the OEM carriers, is that they were NOT painted...and, this is supported by a particular Technical Service Bulletin, from 3/57 (IIRC, now).

Finally, the axle assemblies happen to look GOOD....having non-painted carrier assemblies on them.

The axle prop shafts are shiny bare steel, OEM.






Hi Neil,

i know the carriers are usually bare steel, but this one appeared to be Black as pictured, maybe they had a supplier that painted a run of them, or they changed suppliers for a while, only way to tell for sure is to have been there when they were building the car`s, so i ended up going with the original color of the housing, it looks to be original and has the 58 stamping on the lower face near the ratio,

the green mark i think is that the diff has been checked, the Blue is the ratio 3:15, there is also Green spray on rear of axle which is a checked mark, the Yellow X is a final inspection mark, and the 2 Yellow marks on flange are probably to say joint has been tightened?

there`s more info from greg and others on the 300 club site,

http://www.chrysler300club.com/jhstuff/rear/hams.html


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Posted 2014-12-12 9:36 PM (#464484 - in reply to #275315)
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Here`s axle at moment, just waiting on back plates so i can get brakes together,



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Posted 2014-12-12 9:42 PM (#464486 - in reply to #275315)
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Whilst going through my pictures i found some of the under body, which is in Red oxide, and over painted with Black, the whole car looks to have been painted Black first inside and out, then masked for the Bronze after,

also note the front body mounts have a plastic washer between them and the frame, with a bit of sealing compound on the stud probably to stop the washer falling off before the body was mounted,



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Posted 2014-12-13 2:28 AM (#464499 - in reply to #464486)
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Paul, you should check out your car's IBM Build card and/or its Broadcast sheet (right....).

Its axle ratio WILL be encoded on those documents.

I'm not at my home during DEC, so I can't confirm the OEM axle ratio coding on your car....but, the 'answer' to
the OEM ratio...and, maybe to the reason why the carrier may (presently) be painted in black.....should be
determinable....from several sources, including the AMA Specification sheets; it is possible that your car's carrier
housing may have flunked an assembly inspection, and that it may have been replaced with a 'factory' sub-assembly repair/replacement
part....which was pre-painted black, to preserve the part from shelf-corrosion.

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Posted 2014-12-13 11:45 AM (#464531 - in reply to #464499)
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Paul,
If you have the punch card or the broadcast sheet, please see if it has code: 553 or 55- B in the " axle" area.
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Posted 2014-12-18 12:07 AM (#465038 - in reply to #275315)
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No broadcast sheet or IBM card for car yet, housing looks to have been Black before bearing caps were installed or any machining done to housing?
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Posted 2015-04-08 11:20 PM (#474801 - in reply to #275315)
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Axle differential been bugging me, and decided in end to paint as others would have been from factory,



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Posted 2015-04-09 6:43 PM (#474878 - in reply to #275315)
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GOOD on ya, Paul, for that decision!


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Posted 2015-04-09 7:46 PM (#474885 - in reply to #474801)
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Looks good, Paul. Did you get the rear springs sorted out yet?

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Posted 2015-04-12 9:38 PM (#475280 - in reply to #474885)
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LD3 Greg - 2015-04-10 12:46 AM

Looks good, Paul. Did you get the rear springs sorted out yet?

Greg


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Posted 2015-04-12 9:43 PM (#475281 - in reply to #275315)
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which are the correct wheel rims for Dodge? I have some with a offset rim



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Posted 2015-04-12 9:45 PM (#475282 - in reply to #275315)
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or these with rim further in?



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Posted 2015-04-12 10:14 PM (#475285 - in reply to #475282)
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I think the first one. I don't recognize the second rim.

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Posted 2015-04-13 12:41 PM (#475323 - in reply to #475281)
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I thought the Dodge rims had hubcap nubs like the second image set. I thought only the long-wheel base Chryslers and De Sotos (probably Imperials too) had no nubs like the first image set and thus would only be fitted with wheel covers?
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Posted 2015-04-13 2:05 PM (#475332 - in reply to #475323)
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It's just the offset (inset in this case) I don't think is right. They would be great with fender skirts!

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Posted 2015-05-15 12:29 PM (#478356 - in reply to #275315)
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Let's see if I can attach this excerpt from the Motor Wheel catalog. They list the offset and the lack of hubcap clips for the 5.5" wide rim that is probably what your LD3 came with. Budd also provided OEM wheels and these may or may not have had the hubcap clips but otherwise dimensionally the same.



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Posted 2016-12-10 8:02 PM (#528379 - in reply to #478356)
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Not been upto much lately on the car, finished the underside and cleaned off all the old loose undercoating, couple of coats of etch primer and the underrated, will give this a few more coats before body goes back on frame.



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Posted 2016-12-11 9:56 AM (#528407 - in reply to #528379)
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1st coat underseal.



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Posted 2016-12-11 10:03 AM (#528408 - in reply to #528407)
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Rear springs finally sorted out, fitted with new interliners and bushes



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Posted 2016-12-11 10:08 AM (#528409 - in reply to #528408)
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Engine fully rebuilt, just needs valve covers painting Gold, trans bolting on then ready to go in.



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Posted 2016-12-11 12:18 PM (#528420 - in reply to #528379)
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outstanding, Paul! A tremendous restoration by any standard!
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Posted 2016-12-11 3:37 PM (#528425 - in reply to #275315)
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well with attn to detail and shiny chassis and nice painted engine you can imagine how its gonna look when done!!!!!
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Posted 2016-12-11 4:16 PM (#528426 - in reply to #528408)
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All looking very good. Keep up the good work.

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1. What is a "Regal"? I know what a Lancer is and what a Royal is but not a Regal. I might have fallen asleep that day in Forward Look 101.

2. I have a 5 leaf rear spring system. True D-500s have 6 springs. Question: Where does the 6th spring go? Bottom? Top? Middle?

Your six leaf system:



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springsweptwing
Posted 2016-12-11 4:29 PM (#528427 - in reply to #528426)
Subject: Re: 1958 regal lancer restoration



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56D500boy - 2016-12-11 9:16 PM

All looking very good. Keep up the good work.

Questions

1. What is a "Regal"? I know what a Lancer is and what a Royal is but not a Regal. I might have fallen asleep that day in Forward Look 101.

:)


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1958_Dodge
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springsweptwing
Posted 2016-12-11 4:33 PM (#528428 - in reply to #528426)
Subject: Re: 1958 regal lancer restoration



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56D500boy - 2016-12-11 9:16 PM

All looking very good. Keep up the good work.

Questions

2. I have a 5 leaf rear spring system. True D-500s have 6 springs. Question: Where does the 6th spring go? Bottom? Top? Middle?

Your six leaf system:



:)


I don't think it's as easy as just adding another leaf in there, you will need to make sure there is enough overlap between leafs, but I would have thought it to be the bottom 2 leafs to be different?





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56D500boy
Posted 2016-12-11 5:00 PM (#528431 - in reply to #528427)
Subject: Re: 1958 regal lancer restoration



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springsweptwing - 2016-12-11 4:29 PM

56D500boy - 2016-12-11 9:16 PM

Question:
1. What is a "Regal"? I know what a Lancer is and what a Royal is but not a Regal. I might have fallen asleep that day in Forward Look 101.

:)


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1958_Dodge


Thanks very much. I just learned something - usually do coming here. Never heard of a Regal other than Buick. Now I know.

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springsweptwing
Posted 2017-06-07 7:15 AM (#541679 - in reply to #528431)
Subject: Re: 1958 regal lancer restoration



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Build card from FCA, but they are to busy to decode it?



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Lancer Mike
Posted 2017-06-07 12:52 PM (#541704 - in reply to #541679)
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Hi, Paul -

If you can post a better image, I am sure Greg Leggatt can decode it! (sorry to put you on the spot, Greg)
It is strange that Fiat didn't send you a decode! Maybe the closure of the museum and ensuing shuffle has something to do with it.
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springsweptwing
Posted 2017-06-07 2:37 PM (#541714 - in reply to #275315)
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Yes will put through scanner and try to clean it up a bit, I had 3 cars done and they only gave me copies of build cards and a letter with the original dealers and to say that with other commitments and limited staff were unable to decode the cards?
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Posted 2017-06-07 11:50 PM (#541755 - in reply to #541704)
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Lancer Mike - 2017-06-07 12:52 PM

Hi, Paul -

If you can post a better image, I am sure Greg Leggatt can decode it! (sorry to put you on the spot, Greg)


No problem, Mike.
Paul and I have been corresponding for some time!

Greg
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MoparMej
Posted 2017-06-22 11:44 PM (#542693 - in reply to #275315)
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So I am hoping you all can help. What is the average going price for a Regal Lancer?
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Lancer Mike
Posted 2017-06-23 2:56 PM (#542728 - in reply to #542693)
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Tough to say, Mary. It all depends on condition. Are you looking at the one that was recently on eBay in California?
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MoparMej
Posted 2017-06-24 8:52 PM (#542808 - in reply to #542728)
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No I am trying to sell one for my father. But since there aren't many out there it is hard to gauge the value. It is in good condition. Not prefect, but good. I am new to this whole forum thing. How do you post pictures?


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Lancer Mike
Posted 2017-06-25 8:42 AM (#542825 - in reply to #542808)
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The pictures have to be 250KB or less. Typically, when you take a picture with a digital camera, it may be several MB. You can open it with the Paint program and resize it and then post it here. I think there are some threads about how to post pictures in the FAQ section. There is also a Regal Lancer thread you can post it to:

http://www.forwardlook.net/forums/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=22359&posts=645&start=1

 

This thread is about Paul's restoration project, so it might be more appropriate in the above thread.  You may have to copy and paste that link.  Sometimes my computer does not make the link automatically.



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springsweptwing
Posted 2017-06-25 10:34 AM (#542833 - in reply to #275315)
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Hi Mary,

I have put some of you're pictures in the Regal lancer thread, you will get more coverage and replies there, also try a ad in the for sale section,


http://www.forwardlook.net/forums/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=22359

Paul.
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MoparMej
Posted 2017-08-04 6:36 PM (#545594 - in reply to #275315)
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Ok so I am familiar with the fender tags etc on the 60s dodges, but not the '58s. Where is the build sheets usually located on a 1958 Regal Lancer?
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Lancer Mike
Posted 2017-08-06 6:48 PM (#545714 - in reply to #545594)
Subject: Re: 1958 regal lancer restoration



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Hi, Mary:

You have the VIN tag on the inside door jam, driver's side. There is a cowl data tag near the passenger side hood spring on the cowl.
On some cars, you can still find the paper broadcast sheet taped to the top side of the glove compartment.

You can contact Chrysler Historical (see the VIN tag decode section of the forums) and they can send you a copy of the production punch card for your vehicle.
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