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Location: NY & VT | OK, while being one to like stuff mostly stock, I'm not above a little tweaking here and there, color, brakes and suspension being one area. But my wheelcovers that came standard on a '58 Windsor are somewhat lacking in flash & appeal, downright boring really, so what 14" FL wheel covers do ya'll like?
I'd cast a vote for those gold Adventurer jobs from a '57, but a good set of those is waaaay outta my budget... so what else is out there that's sharp, as we said back then? Prefer to stay Mopar if possible. Might consider 15" Mopar wheels as well, that opens up more possibilities.
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Location: DFW, TX | The '57 and '58 Dodge Lancer spinner hubcaps are basically the same wheelcover. The '58s are painted black in the center while the '57s were left natural.
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Location: The Mile High City | I like the 1957 Plymouth "Coolie Hats"
The 1957 - 1959 Dodge spinners are neat on Dodges, but may not work as well on other makes.
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Location: Central Alberta | my preferences:
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Plymouth is where it`s at for FL hubcaps!
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Location: Sept. 1958 | 57burb - 2013-05-29 6:30 PM
The '57 and '58 Dodge Lancer spinner hubcaps are basically the same wheelcover. The '58s are painted black in the center while the '57s were left natural.
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Location: central Illinois | First choice is the 57 Plymouth. Second is one I'm partial to, just like everyone else, because it's on my car! The 60 Desoto cover is the only Mopar cover of the era that I'm aware of that completely covers the wheel. |
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Dodge fratzog, but there are simmilar Plymouth ones as well
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Location: newton north carolina | If you're going to allow 15 inch units, then I'll go for Chrysler 300G wheel covers
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Location: Parts Unknown | A lot of the FL wheelcovers are rather flat and unadorned. I am surprised so many here
rate the 57-9 Plymouth caps so highly. They are OK, but to receive top marks ?
What about:
55-56 Dodge spinners ?
57-58 Dodge spinners ?
58 DeSoto spinners ?
61 Dodge spinners ?
57-58 NY'er ?
57-59 300 ?
57-59 Imperial ?
I like wheelcovers with some depth and a smaller center protrusion. I find the ones with a
big flat disc in the center to be totally unattractive. If there is some "busy-ness" it the center
(like a fine spinner), all the better. Too much, like 59-60 Dodge, is just obnoxious.
Some use the word "hubcap" above, but these are different, covering only the hub, or as I
affectionately call them "dog dishies". Some look better than others, but all have a more
collectively great look when installed on a stripper looking car.
All-in-all, I'd give the 57-58 Dodge spinner the top mark for best looking Forward Look wheelcover.
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Location: Central Alberta | b5rt - 2013-05-29 7:14 PM
First choice is the 57 Plymouth. Second is one I'm partial to, just like everyone else, because it's on my car! The 60 Desoto cover is the only Mopar cover of the era that I'm aware of that completely covers the wheel.
another one that completely covers the wheels is the 60 Dodge Polara hubcap, a pretty one as well!
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Location: Arizona | I like the 60 polara wheel covers also and my Matador has them. But I also like all the other wheel covers in this thread. Truth be told there are many cars I see with "mag" wheels on them where I think they just look out of place and the car would be a lot nicer looking with the factory wheel covers. |
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I'm also a fan of the Lancer '57-'58 wheel covers, and I've always been fond of the cone-shaped types as seen on the '57 Plymouth.
The '61 DeSoto also had what I think were rather nifty wheel covers - very "space-age fifties":
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Location: ALABAMA, HEART OF DIXIE | what 14" FL wheel covers do ya'll like? One thing for sure..... It's NOT the 61 Plymouth covers...! I'm in tune with keeping the look original so will be using them on my 61, but giving the choice I would choose the 57 Plymouth cones first and then any year Dodge "spinner" type cover. |
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Location: Northern New Jersey | My Buddies 56 CRL Spinners are very cool.
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Location: Auburndale Florida | 58 Plymouth, especially the gold center Fury hubcaps. The 56-59 gold Desoto hubcaps too. |
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Location: Hickory, NC | I just like the good ol dog dishes. Look good on any car! And they don't fly off on a hard turn either! |
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Location: atlanta | rockerarm - 2013-05-30 9:45 AM
what 14" FL wheel covers do ya'll like? One thing for sure..... It's NOTÂ the 61 Plymouth covers...! I'm in tune with keeping the look original so will be using them on my 61, but giving the choice I would choose the 57 Plymouth cones first and then any year Dodge "spinner" type cover.
I don't know about that Will, they kinda grow on ya, in fact i was cleaning and polishing (and damm near cut a finger off) the 61 Fury covers and was thinking, "did they have a special department that just design's the wheel covers for the new cars coming out?" Some are really works of art in themselves, By the way, I'm trying to figure out how to touch up the black half circles on the 61 Plymouth covers. |
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Location: Victoria, BC, on Vancouver Island, Canada | b5rt - 2013-05-29 6:14 PM
First choice is the 57 Plymouth. Second is one I'm partial to, just like everyone else, because it's on my car! The 60 Desoto cover is the only Mopar cover of the era that I'm aware of that completely covers the wheel.
The 1960 Dodge 4-bar spinners completely cover the wheel as well, they're awesome lookin too.
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Imperial hubcaps are great !!!!
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Location: Arizona | fenix - 2013-05-30 12:03 PM rockerarm - 2013-05-30 9:45 AM what 14" FL wheel covers do ya'll like? One thing for sure..... It's NOT the 61 Plymouth covers...! I'm in tune with keeping the look original so will be using them on my 61, but giving the choice I would choose the 57 Plymouth cones first and then any year Dodge "spinner" type cover. I don't know about that Will, they kinda grow on ya, in fact i was cleaning and polishing (and damm near cut a finger off ) the 61 Fury covers and was thinking, "did they have a special department that just design's the wheel covers for the new cars coming out?" Some are really works of art in themselves, By the way, I'm trying to figure out how to touch up the black half circles on the 61 Plymouth covers. I don't know if they still do, and kind of doubt it, but I recall reading in a car history book about some junior engineer at one of the big three who's first assignment was to design wheel covers. |
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1957 Dodge Spinners; end of story.
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Location: Ocala, Florida | kmccabe56 - 2013-05-30 4:37 PM
d500neil - 2013-05-29 5:04 PM
1957 Dodge Spinners; end of story.
Absolutely, flat down, no question.
Yep. Although there are lots of good looking ones already mentioned. I too don't understand why so many favor the '57 Plymouth cover. It's the most plain cover there was for FL cars...........and our cars certainly are not plain. I use the stock '58 Plymouth covers on my 58 Belvie, but my '61 Belvie has stock '61 Plymouth caps on the back, and '57 Dodge spinners on the front. I guess if you really like two different caps, you could run two alike on one side and two alike on the other. Can't see both sides of the car at the same time! |
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Location: The Mile High City | realgone58 - 2013-05-30 4:12 PM
I too don't understand why so many favor the '57 Plymouth cover. It's the most plain cover there was for FL cars...........and our cars certainly are not plain.
For my part, the 1957 cover is a classic design. Plain? Maybe, but very well done - also, it think it transfers well to any of the 14" forwardlook cars. In addition, they are inexpensive and readily available - that's a big bonus. The 1957 -1958 Dodge spinners are great, but expensive for a good set because of the pot-metal spinners. Then, you get the knight's head - great if you have a Lancer, but hard to pair up with all the lions on Roger's car.
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Location: Jamaica Plain, MA | Those fake KH wire wheel covers from JC Whitney look hot. J/K. It depends on the car, no? The dog dish looks badass on a 2 door sedan. |
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Location: ALABAMA, HEART OF DIXIE | 1957 cover is a classic design. Plain? Maybe, but very well done - also, it think it transfers well to any of the 14" forwardlook cars. I agree, The 57 wheel covers are understated and very elegant. They will enhanse not only the FW cars but most any car with 14" wheels. My dad bought a 1957 Plymouth custom suburban new...... I remember he had to replace the hubcaps at least three times in the time he owned it. And they wern't FALLING off. I have a set that I will use on my 61 unless showing it.... Then back to the "flying saucer" wheel covers. |
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Location: Williams California | rockerarm - 2013-05-31 11:53 AM
 1957 cover is a classic design. Plain? Maybe, but very well done - also, it think it transfers well to any of the 14" forwardlook cars. I agree, The 57 wheel covers are understated and very elegant. They will enhanse not only the FW cars but most any car with 14" wheels. My dad bought a 1957 Plymouth custom suburban new...... I remember he had to replace the hubcaps at least three times in the time he owned it. And they wern't FALLING off. I have a set that I will use on my 61 unless showing it.... Then back to the "flying saucer" wheel covers.
I agree also, Will.
I have sold quite a few sets to guys building vintage hot rods.
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Location: Lewisville, TX. | The 57 Plymouth cones are the best in my opinion as many have mentioned. I hope I dont make any enemies, but I have never liked the dog dish hubcap. |
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Location: Parts Unknown | reed.bradzsavoytoy57 - 2013-06-01 3:00 PM
The 57 Plymouth cones are the best in my opinion as many have mentioned.
I hope I dont make any enemies, but I have never liked the dog dish hubcap.
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Remember, the question was about BEST LOOKING. The dog dishies are purposely ugly,
and by association, cool for being so utilitarian and unattractive. It is exactly why I hunted
down a dog dish stripper, I wanted the opposite of bling and glam and good looking. And I
am openminded enough to acknowledge that they ARE ugly !
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Location: Twin Falls, Idaho | I agree... the top one in the above post is the greatest. I had a set of these.... THree were very rusty and one was pristine. I foolishly sold the one good one. I really regret it.
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Location: bishop, ca | And, based upon the most popular, among the five-fingered-discount-delinquents, the 57 Dodge Spinners won "hands" down.
A distant second place went to the Oldsmobuick 'flipper' wheel covers.
Third place went to the 55-56 Dodge spinners.
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Location: new york | 57 Plymouths!!! Look great on anything!... |
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Location: Parts Unknown | Maybe it's just my personal fetish of import, but mixing wheel covers to the wrong cars just
doesn't look right to me. My brother runs 60-61 DeSoto caps on his 61 Polara and I think they
look like crap. Actually, to be accurate, it reminds me of the dark days when these cars were
largely beaters and many ran whatever they could find on them because they couldn't find the
right ones or they did not care. I'd rank 61 Dodge spinners way up there on the "best of" list,
and they are made even better because you NEVER SEE THEM ! Yet he hangs those on the wall
and runs the DeSoto caps.
I don't get it, but it's his car. I can understand it more if your car's OEM wheelcovers are just
plain ugly, but for 61 Dodge, they are better looking than the car !!!!
I guess it's all fair in love and war. He groans over me running wires on my cars, so ....
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Location: atlanta | rockerarm - 2013-05-31 2:53 PM
 1957 cover is a classic design. Plain? Maybe, but very well done - also, it think it transfers well to any of the 14" forwardlook cars. I agree, The 57 wheel covers are understated and very elegant. They will enhanse not only the FW cars but most any car with 14" wheels. My dad bought a 1957 Plymouth custom suburban new...... I remember he had to replace the hubcaps at least three times in the time he owned it. And they wern't FALLING off. I have a set that I will use on my 61 unless showing it.... Then back to the "flying saucer" wheel covers.
"Flying Saucer" LOL, Your right they do look like something out of a 50's el cheapo science fiction flick dangling on a thin wire in the background. Gotta admit there are some good looking covers I never thought about, those 61 Imperial's look good, the spinners from the 65/66 Satellite (I believe) are nice also. I think my top two would have to be the 60 Dodge 4 bar flippers and the 61 Dodge 3 bar flippers, I seem to recollect the 57 Plymouth style was kinda copied by an aftermarket company and sold at stores like Western Auto, we had a name for them "pointed moons" I believe.
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Location: Sept. 1958 | These were on eBay. They had a price of $5,000.00 on them.
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Location: Sept. 1958 | This was the ad from the auction:
"You're looking at a 1 of a kind prototype, or special order hubcap set, for the mid to late 50's Chrysler 300. Here's the story. I got these from a guy who said that his friends father had worked for a hubcap company in Michigan. Both father and son have passed, and the friend acquired these caps. That is all the information I have on these. The quality of these caps, tells me they were made in a factory, with all the equipment needed to do the job right. They were either made special for a client, or somebody in the plant. All caps and emblems are Chrysler parts, the spinner has a part # on it along with a symbol. These caps are used and have some sign of usage. But, they were definitely early takeoffs. I've never seen a crossbar molded with a hole in the center for a plastic center. The red metal brace was machine punched to fit this cap perfectly. The correct silver paint, as on the outside squares of the 1957 300, makes me believe that this was for a '57 C. The center was used in '55 and '56, and the cap and crossbars were used on the '57 Dodge. Also, the caps are 14 inch, and were 14's starting in '57. More pictures are available at request. These are simply the only ones in existence. I can only imagine what these looked like on the car they were made for. This is your chance to own a piece of automotive history that you just can't copy today. The original tape under the red brace proves its real age. The man that made these caps, should've been working for Chrysler. These caps are truly stunning. And I'm honored to have even held these personally. I'm offering them now to anybody who just has to have these. They would be an awesome conversation piece hanging on a wall in a showroom, or museum. These are someones creation, and are forms of art. It might still be possible to trace the origins of these caps." |
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Who knows, ... maybe Joe Bortz has the D-300 car these were made for ?
I feel honored just to have had the seller tell me how honored he was to hold them.
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Location: Las Vegas, NV | I am partial to 59 Plymouth wheel covers myself. To me, they just scream classic Mopar. I also like the 61 Imperial wheel covers pictured above, and have thought about using them on my 61 Newport. |
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Location: Houston | I find those 4-point spinners to be unattractive. I find any 4 spoke or even worse 3 spoke wheel to be unattractive. Five is the magic number, and let it be known that the number is 5. Not 2 or 3 or 4, unless on the way to 5, and definitely not 6 or 7. |
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"The number of the counting shall be THREE. Count thou shalt not four.
Neither count thou two, but proceeding directly to THREE ! Five is right out !"
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Location: South central Idaho. | BOTTOM LINE PERIOD! I grew up in the Forward Look era and I assure you all that 57-58 Dodge 4 bar caps was the premier cap to steal. Period! The Olds caps were a long second. The Dodge cap was the role model for all other wanabes. |
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I grew up in the Forward Look era and I assure you all that 57-58 Dodge 4 bar caps was the premier cap to steal. Period!
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Deaner,
I think you meant to post to the "most likely to induce criminal behavior" thread.
I gotta agree that these are arguably the best looking spinner ever. I also think they look
so unmistakably DODGE that they look wrong on anything but a 57-58 Dodge. I sure wish the
other makes dabbled more in this vein.
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Location: NY & VT | Either '70 Newport, or '71 Fury, I had 2 '71 F3s with those... in consideration if I go 15", but not all that flashy really.
I wouldn't mind putting the '57 spinners on my '64 Dodge 440, or the Adventurer jobs on the Windsor, being they have no identifying logos on them, but I'd need to win Powerball to get a nice set of either of those... however I may also consider 15" Mopar steel wheels for the Windsor, 14"ers seem kind of small to me for a car of that size & weight, since they're mainly on there to make the car look low, not for function, so Mopar 15" wheel covers could possibly qualify as well, if there's any cool looking ones...hard to decide what to do... extreme heresy? 15" tires are a lot easier to find also, originality not being paramount at that point.
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dishies easily work on either 14's or 15's, but for the big car (my DeSoto / your Windsor) I find
the 14's just look too small under that big body. I am passively thinking how I'll make my 58
Adventurer spinners work on a 15" wheel. I will probably have to custom make the wheels to
fit them. Right now I have plenty of other things to work on before I get to that !
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Location: bountiful, Utah | 1957 1958 Dodge spinners were so popular that even AMT/SMT included them in their model kits for several years. They were most definitely the ones to steal back in the day. My vote is obviously for these with my second place vote going to the elegant 60 Dodge spinners which look sooo good on my Matador wagon.
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Location: NY & VT | Mike... wow! Hub Cap City! Brent I also think that 14s look wrong on these cars.. tho' I have to say the cars do look good set low... but I'd keep those Adventurer jobs, think it'd be easier to adapt the wheel covers via some kind of custom made adapter than to make an actual custom wheel? Move the clips outboard somehow? |
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wheel probably won't be necessary, although I've had them done before. Not that far of a reach
in terms of expense. Several vendors do it all the time.
My concern is the amount of wheel left showing and any other visual details. I like the wheel
cover, and I like wheels that have depth. Flat surfaces that stick way out - 60 Dodge and Plymouth
come to mind as examples - I do not like. Like any of this, it will take some experimenting. All
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yours ? Certainly make it stand out in a field of 58 Chryslers (should you ever find yourself parked
amongst a large grouping of them !). Being a Windsor, it WOULD be the most likely model to wear
them. What color paint are you going to go with on this car ?
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I bought these to put on my '57 Windsor. I like them because you can use any size wheel you like 14, 15, 17 etc. I plan to use them on 15x7 inch wheels with a small trim ring on the outside and 2nd (darker) tone colored wheels.
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of many years used and zero demand probably makes them a little easier to find than solid
unobtainium.
Nice find !
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Location: NY & VT | Those are cool, almost have an art deco look to them, though I haven't seen them for sale very often, I have seen them. One more to consider. In my memory iirc a fair number of Windsors, 'Sweeps etc would be wearing blackwalls too, due to the economy mindset of those who'd buy these cars... a lot more cars had bw's back then than you ever see at shows now.
As to color, I'm the world's worst at picking colors out... though I def want a '50s color, not something bland. Pink, turquoise, lavender, salmon are the kind of colors that I envision to look right on a FL car. I don't want to change the gold/beige interior, but it'll go with a lot of colors. Frankly I',m kind of stumped at the moment, but not limiting it to just what came on 58 Windsors, I have color chip sheets for most 57-62 makes and it'll no doubt be something from that range. The original Sandalwood Metallic on the car was tasteful, but too boring to my eye. I'm leaning to '57 Chrysler Desert Beige (pinky beige) OR '60 Chrysler Iris Iridescent (lavender metallic), both with Ermine White tops and insert sweeps, at the moment, that's about guaranteed to change by next week. Good thing paint is a long way off... the rear 1/4 + fender from Gary Grossich in CA is still not here yet.
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Location: Parts Unknown | I am thinking the same in terms of color/s for the DeSoto. Something "classic" late 50's.
The Iris Iridescent is stunning ! But I want to mitigate the feminine "pink" with charcoal to
have a more contrasting two-tone. But there are so many great colors ... from the pinks
and corals to the turquoise colors. My Plaza kills two birds with one stone, mating the dog
dishies and blackwalls with another "classic" 50's color, Mist Green. Those two will look
breathtaking parked side-by-side.
While the Dodge eyebrows don't work for me on the 58 Windsor, the emblem lettering
style and that darted side sweep are SO cool. I am sure your car will be a real looker
when finished.
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Location: bishop, ca | Nathan, you may be disappointed to discover that your dog dishes, if they are strictly of 1957 14" model year production,
will not fit onto a 15" wheel.
Dodge used its 1956 15" Dog Dishes on all of its 57-61 (police and 57 D501's) cars that had the 15" wheels on them.
Lee Smith made up special mounting brackets/trim, so that he could attach 57 Dog Dishes onto his 1957 D501's wheels.
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Location: Newark, Texas (Fort Worth) | mstrug - 2013-06-04 4:29 PM
Can you guess what mine are?
Yes. With 1958 Plymouth centers! 15" in diameter and vented for disc brakes.
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Location: NY & VT | As I said above, they're for '71 Furys, I had 2 of them... and both had drum brakes., but their design may well have been to facilitate cooling of the optional discs.
I had 7 of those wheel covers for my '71 F3 that I sold 2 yrs ago, and the feckin' eedjit threw them out and put cop dog dishes on, so while I like doggies a lot, why dispose of the originals? I wanted them backl...sheesh!!
"I'm sure you car will be a real looker when finished"... thanks Brent, at my age I just hope that happens before I croak.
That green Windsor coupe is so amazing in it's cleanness (is that even a word?), it shows the Exner look to it's best advantage, no chrome or other superfluous excreascences or ornamentation, plain dog dishes, and sleek hardtop styling! A distilled expression of the Forward Look. ... I'd forgotten that a 2 dr hardtop was even available in Windsor models... it's wonderfully unique! I've never seen one in person... plain Jane sedans I love, but that '57 is stupendous, a weirdly wonderful mix of sporty and economy! I absolutely love it!
I'd take a nice set of those Windsor doggies if I could find 'em.
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Location: Parts Unknown | Well, the good news is those doggies remained the same from 57 through 61. Maybe even a
holdover from 55-56 ??? They weren't a common install on the higher marque cars like DeSoto
and Chrysler, but a few nutjobs wanted them, and spread out over a bunch of years, AND considering
that most people hate them, you should be able to find a set if you make your desire known.
Mother Mopar made 15 wheels that will hold these. I think it was a wagon application ? John
Fowlie could square you away on what was what. I opted to stay with 14 because the Super
Cushion vendors would not give me a straight answer on profile differences between the 14 and
15 inch tires, and I think the 14's convey a little more of the lo-bux "stripper" look anyway.
Like 99.9% of the rest of fin car fans in the early days, I saw the strippers as lesser beings, not
worthy of the effort to fix up. I too was wowed by the flash and bling. My Plaza "dream" was
hatched while struggling to pull the interior out of a 60 Buick that sat in the stack next to a Mist
Green Plaza sedan at Ray's Auto Wrecking. Something about that light yellow-green paint on those
wheels and those spartan dog dishies stuck a dagger into my paradigm that more chrome was
always better. It only took decades for the idea to bloom into action, but as this #@! car nears
30K in restoration costs, it is the embodiment of the extreme other end of the spectrum for what
most people find "cool" in fin era cars. The bare and basic presentation of Exner's idea looks
completely different from the typical over-adorned examples we all know so well. It is a charm
unlike that of the jazzed up models, but it is a charm nonetheless. I am pretty excited to see this
one finished, not only for see a 30 year dream come to fruition, but it also puts the DeSoto on the
front burner, and the two will be the extreme bookcase ends of the spectrum one could drive off
the lot of one's friendly DeSoto-Plymouth dealer in 1958. Something I find deeply amusing and
"connecting" to those days of overwhelming optimism.
I suddenly hear Tommy Dorsey's "Tea For Two Cha-Cha" playing in my head.
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Location: USA - KY | Powerflite - 2013-06-05 10:05 PM
You mean Windsor dog dishes like these?...
Those wheel covers are great, Powerflite! I've never seen that type before.
Thumbs up!
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Location: NY & VT | The full Windsor wheel covers have a similar "bullet" in the center, but with more elaboration in the outer part, with rings and a series of black lines radial to the center and a concentric black ring... not bad, but lacking a certain je ne c'est quois flash quotient... will try to get a pic of one of mine, the paint is faded quite a bit.
That green Windsor stripper 2 dr hardtop above shows off the lines of what I consider the zenith, the apotheosis of all FL designs, namely the gently tapered swooping fins of the '57/8 Chrysler/DeSoto body, better than any FL model I've ever seen, with its total lack of chrome and all emphasis strictly on the amazing dart shape... that car is a revelation, the purest embodiment of the FL possible! A weird mix of big Chrysler design & luxury, and absolute minimalist ornamentation. Wow! It's enough to make me want to take all the trim off the side of my car and paint the lower body one solid color!
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Location: the Great Northeast | I love these opinions. The dog dishes are only appreciate by nutjobs. I have a low opinion of intolerant people. Get a grip. You are not right very often and you know this is one of those times!
My car was sold with the dog dishes. Don't feel bad for me. I'm proud of my lowly '61 Newport. It was a very affordable Chrysler in the day. Check out the ad.
Dog dishes rule. It really shows off my new powder coated rims.
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Location: Parts Unknown | 61ChryslerMan - 2013-06-10 12:35 PM
I love these opinions. The dog dishes are only appreciate by nutjobs. I have a low opinion of intolerant people.
Get a grip. You are not right very often and you know this is one of those times!
My car was sold with the dog dishes. Don't feel bad for me. I'm proud of my lowly '61 Newport. It was a very
affordable Chrysler in the day. Check out the ad.
Dog dishes rule. It really shows off my new powder coated rims.
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Damm, Dude ! You ever let that bunged-up bung hole relax ?
You must be fairly young yet, as I see a major stroke in your future.
Look, if you think ANYONE on this list is "normal", you better think again. It takes
a fairly serious eccentric streak to go so far as to own and drive an odd car. It takes
an over-the-top fruitcake streak to be so dedicated as most here are.
"Normal" is based on "average", and in the mean average of worldwide car usage
and consumption, the number of zippies driving finned cars today probably doesn't
break .00001%, putting every last one of us in the Crazy Dept. Kapische ?
And of that micro-teeny number of people who have finned cars, 80% of them do
Chevys. You see where this is going ? And of those who DO NOT do Chevys, how
many do Mopars ? And of the Forward Lookers, how many DON'T pitch those dog
dishies (or even standard full face wheelcovers) and slap on the most bling they can
find ????
You, Sir, are a full blown nutter, just like I am, and a select few others who not only
are nutters, but go out of our way to NOT be "normal", because we consider it:
a. dull
b. a sellout
c. too much like the boring people of the world
d. excessively like the Barrett-Jackson crowd
e. all of the above
Have some #@! pride in who and what you are, dammit ! I mean, ANYONE can own a
lowly Plymouth with dog dishies .... they sold LOTS of those ! Until someone comes up
with an Imperial on factory doggies, you Sir, drive the pinnacle of weird apps, a stripper
luxury car. Lose the defensive "growlies" and join the party. If you don't learn to laugh
at yourself, someone is going to be buying that ugly-ass car at your estate sale and more
likely than not, slapping some full face wheelcovers on it !
Now, get out of my way. I am going to go ride my horsey tricycle ridum-thingie !
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Location: bishop, ca | In honor (or, in Re:) of that green Windsor, above, and Brent's musical acumen, also above....
Do ya'll know the difference between the Cha Cha, and Pea Green paint?
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I'd say about 7/64's (?)
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Location: So. Cal | d500neil - 2013-06-08 10:30 AM
Nathan, you may be disappointed to discover that your dog dishes, if they are strictly of 1957 14" model year production,
will not fit onto a 15" wheel.
Dodge used its 1956 15" Dog Dishes on all of its 57-61 (police and 57 D501's) cars that had the 15" wheels on them.
Lee Smith made up special mounting brackets/trim, so that he could attach 57 Dog Dishes onto his 1957 D501's wheels.
Neil, I put them on a stock 15" wheel and they fit great. They also fit the Dodge trucks with 16" wheels, A100 vans with 15" wheels and aftermarket 17" wheels. I'm sure they would fit 14" too. So those are all options. |
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Location: So. Cal | firedome - 2013-06-08 8:32 AM
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As to color, I'm the world's worst at picking colors out... though I def want a '50s color, not something bland. Pink, turquoise, lavender, salmon are the kind of colors that I envision to look right on a FL car. I don't want to change the gold/beige interior, but it'll go with a lot of colors. Frankly I',m kind of stumped at the moment, but not limiting it to just what came on 58 Windsors, I have color chip sheets for most 57-62 makes and it'll no doubt be something from that range. The original Sandalwood Metallic on the car was tasteful, but too boring to my eye. I'm leaning to '57 Chrysler Desert Beige (pinky beige) OR '60 Chrysler Iris Iridescent (lavender metallic), both with Ermine White tops and insert sweeps, at the moment, that's about guaranteed to change by next week. Good thing paint is a long way off... the rear 1/4 + fender from Gary Grossich in CA is still not here yet.
My '57 Windsor 2dr hardtop was originally that desert beige color with copper brown poly top & fins. My wife calls that beige color silly putty beige and she hates it. Women can be so emphatic about colors....So....it looks like mine will be changed to copper glow poly with copper brown poly 2tone. A little dark for a forward look, but I don't want to change all the interior scheme around. |
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even if they are old and tired. Thanks.
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Location: NY & VT | On the chip Desert Beige looks kinda pinkish-beige, but I've learned the hard way not to trust chips... I want more pink than beige, but not Pepto Bismol pink... yuk! |
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Location: So. Cal | Doc,
Since you asked to see the car-nage, this is a picture of mine as purchased 3 weeks ago. It's been sitting in a field since 1980. A bunch of nice kids filled the tank with debri and the cowl with pebbles & dirt, but amazingly, after replacing the water pump, fuel pump, gas tank & sender, intake & carb, generator, and distributor (electronic upgrade); I was able to drive it around the block. The motor has a surprising amount of power for something that has been sitting that long and doesn't leak even a little bit.
The colors on the car don't make a lot of sense to me because I see a lot of what looks like copper glow all over the back end of the car and hidden places - even in the beige areas. And according to the tag, NLN should be copper brown, not copper glow so I don't understand.
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Location: So. Cal | This Saratoga has what I thought it should look like - except, that brown may be copper glow, I'm not sure. And under my cowl and windshield area, the beige color does show up correctly.
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Location: So. Cal | It's strange also because the desert beige looks more like shell pink and the shell pink looks more like desert beige. But I know it is correct because it is very consistent, but just weird.
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Location: Parts Unknown | Those car pix sure scream "Pepto-Pink" to me. Is that "Desert Beige" ?
Note the Saratoga has BOTH the rarely seen fender ornaments AND the even
more rarely seen hood ornaments.
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Location: NY & VT | That's "Desert Beige" all right, and as pinks go, it'[s pretty restrained really... Pepto Bismol Pink is REALLY REVOLTINGLY (nausea inducing, ironically) pink, 1958 Olds "Desert Glow" comes to mind, but there were some far worse ones... might have been Studebaker or AMC. Too over the top for me...
Nathan that car is too cool! I'd throw a windshield in, satin clear coat the body for protection, and drive it as-is with that fabulous patina!
As to wheel covers, I'm thinking the '58 needs 15", so maybe the big Dodge 880 knock off spinners or whatever you call them from around '63-64... are those 15?? Those Fratzog spinners are the bees knees, even if mine is a Chrysler, it's a great look!
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Location: Parts Unknown | We had a 57 Lincoln in the shop one time that was quite a pink. I thought it looked good on the
car though. I find those washed out pinkish-beiges to be the least attractive. A lot of office and
school furniture got made in that color in the 60's. Matched the vomit colored floor tiles and
curtains !
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Location: bishop, ca | This thread has run its course, & we're talking about car colors, now.
(BTW, the answer to the trivia question, above is: you can LEARN to Cha Cha ).
Back on subject, for the moment; what they say about "imitation": it's the
highest and sincerest form of compliment.
In this regard, there is NO dispute about the popularity of the 1957 (OK; 1958,
too, but that 'plate' is derivative) wheel covers, based upon the after-market
for the many and varied clones/tributes/fakes/replicas/versions of them.
Here's one that you don't see very often, as was advertised in the FEB 1960 MT,
which came out over three YEARS after the 57's introduction.
There was, at least, one re-pop of the 1959 spinner, and one for the 1960 (iirc),
but there had to have been 5-6 iterations of the beloved 57 Dodge Spinner
wheel cover that were made; note that this version, as were others, was made available
in BOTH the 14" and 15" sizes.
And, presently, isn't some company currently making a new 15" version of the
Dodge spinners?
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Location: So. Cal | firedome - 2013-06-11 7:01 AM
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Nathan that car is too cool! I'd throw a windshield in, satin clear coat the body for protection, and drive it as-is with that fabulous patina!
As to wheel covers, I'm thinking the '58 needs 15", so maybe the big Dodge 880 knock off spinners or whatever you call them from around '63-64... are those 15?? Those Fratzog spinners are the bees knees, even if mine is a Chrysler, it's a great look!
Thanks. Since it runs & drives now, I can't resist driving it. But it will get painted when I get tired of the patina... For now, windshields are overrated
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Location: NY & VT | Neil, who makes the new 15" version... I may use those if I go 15" wheels on the Windsor.
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My favorite!
I love them too. I really like the unique Canadian '58 cap too:
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Location: Branson, MO | What? No one has mentioned the poverty caps that are all the rage now!
Yeah, I'm not crazy about 'em myself but I do like all the ones shown above. In addition, since I'm a DeSoto guy, I like the '57 DeSoto wheel covers too.
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