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Location: McComb, Mississippi | Thanks my car is still in California at Big M's. it should be here in a couple of weeks. I am going to leave my car bone stock. I am very excited. |
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Location: McComb, Mississippi | Her car has had the interior redone. It runs and drives. Slant 6 with torqueflite. we plan on bringing both to cruisin the coast..
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Location: McComb, Mississippi | Yes the air conditioning does work. It blows cool after a few minutes of driving. I am not sure about the tail lights. I do plan on adding an under dash unit to mine as well. |
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Loving that Polara, plymouth!
Congrats!!!
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Location: Victoria, BC, on Vancouver Island, Canada | Well you certainly got yourself a good, solid sedan there! Congrats. You might want to add power brakes to it! Funny - a top line model Dodge with out Power brakes.
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Location: cornpatch county, Southwest IOA | Nice score there Christian. I bet you got a good deal on it and what you save in repair costs will be much more than what you have to pay for shipping. A little clean up and get the body in some Urathane or Epoxy primer and you will be cruis'in.......................MO |
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Location: bishop, ca | Nice score, CB!
One of the things that your car needs (esp. in MS), is A/C.
Finding & installing a complete OEM unit would be a challenge, but that's what this hobby is all about, and, your car is
'rough' enuf that changing-over its dashboard, etcetcetc...to A/C would not mean hurting the car's "already-nice" appearance.
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Location: McComb, Mississippi | I think what I am going to do is find an old dealer installed AC unit and converted over to R134a. I have a friend that does really good body work. we are going to paint this car together. I am sticking to the original color. |
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Location: McComb, Mississippi | The polara should be arriving in a week or less. I have kept myself occupied rebuilding the brakes on my girlfriends 1964 dart. her dad and I are replacing the trunk pan and it should be finished up by this weekend. when I get my car I am going to rebuild the brakes tune up the engine, clean the car really well, rustproof the undercarriage floors and trunk , and get my friend to paint it.
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Location: McComb, Mississippi | So far I have cleaned the interior and primed and undercoated the trunk. Car has a lot of options. Im going to hook up the fuel tank tomorrow and start rebuilding the brakes and replace all power steering, fuel hoses, and radiator hoses. Im going to drive the hell outta it! Nah.. But im gonna enjoy it. I got a buddy who is a professional painter and he is going to help me paint it. I am going to replace the foam under the seat covers and get the upholstery shop to restitch all the seams and repair the few minor tears. Did I mention that this car is rust free???
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And rear wheel rock guards as well!
Also cool!
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Location: McComb, Mississippi | it is official I may be the luckiest person on earth. I have gotten in touch with the previous owner of the car and he has some great news for me. he told me that the engine and transmission were rebuilt and they only have about 5000 miles on them. he is also going to give me the car's life long history. he attached a few pictures of the car in an email.
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Congrats regarding the info from the previous owner...that sort of information is golden!
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Location: McComb, Mississippi | change the oil , fixed the turn signals, and installed a new water pump as the old one had play in the bearing. The fuel pump and wheel cylinder will be in tomorrow. The rest of the wheel cylinders can be honed. The radio even works in this car.. |
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Location: cornpatch county, Southwest IOA | C.B.---do you realize that is a California black licence plate car? That is valuable to some people. That plate was issued when the car was brand new and stayed with the car when it was sold or traded. IIRC. That is kinda neat as it shows people that the plate was issued to the car when brand new. I got Calif. black plates with my 64 Dodge that was never sold out of the state till I got it. You may be able to register and licence your car and use the black plates you have..I didn't notice, do those plates have a year stamped in them?...........................MO |
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Location: McComb, Mississippi | hey I did not realize that about the tag. I did make some progress today. I started rebuilding the brakes and got her running.. I'm going to have to rebuild a carburetor but that is a must. Lol |
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Location: McComb, Mississippi | Drove it for the first time today..well not far , maybe 30 feet. I need to redo the back brakes still. I have the front brakes all buttoned up. More to come. |
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Location: McComb, Mississippi | I pulled the rear brake drums off today. the lining material on the brake shoes came off. so I took the shoes to a local brake shop and I am getting the rear shoes relIned. is it a necessity to get the front shoes relined now? |
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Location: Arizona | Not necessarily. The ideal brake system is balanced front and rear and maintains that balance under all conditions. The balance is the result of a lot more then whether the front and rear shoes are "the same". In a simple system there is no way to actually have it balanced in "normal stops" and also balanced in "HARD stops. That's because of weight shifting during a HARD stop. To make the system seem "good" or "powerful" especially when it's not power brakes, the manufacturer "balances" things so that the rear brakes do about half the work. That's fine for "normal" stops. But in a hard stop, where 70% of the weight winds up on the front wheels, that causes the rear brakes (which now only have 30% of the weight) to lock up way before the fronts do. The rear usually goes sideways, possibly spinning the car. So until you have driven the car and get a feel for how well balanced the brakes are in HARD stops I wouldn't worry about redoing the fronts. ANother option is to install a proportioning valve in the rear brake line so you can dial in the split between the front and rear. I had to do that years ago with my 76 4X4 Blazer to keep it from going sideways every time I stopped in the rain. But it made it so the fronts did most of the work in normal stops and consequently the pedal effort went up for normal driving. |
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Location: McComb, Mississippi | okay thank you very much for the advice. |
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Location: bishop, ca | The rear (any-) brake shoes will need to be bedded to the linings before you'll really know how they perform.
Casually (and concernedly) ask your shop what the linings' ratings are.
The best lining material is rated FF/FF (Wet/Dry)....but don't volunteer any knowledge to them.
Just say that a friend asked you to find out the stopping-rating of their linings.
That shop had better know, and tell you, the quality of those new linings.
The ratings may well (should) be printed onto the linings, and you could also ask them where the linings were/who
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You shouldn't try to slam-on the brakes, initially, but, several 3/4 efforts, from 50 MPH, slowing down to 30-ish, should give
you some indication of how the rears and fronts will work out, together.
After that, you can stop from 30-40 MPH a few times, over several days, but I would not suggest over-heating the new linings
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Location: bishop, ca | Check out this discussion/photos:
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Location: McComb, Mississippi | not only does this car have a rebuilt engine and transmission , it also has a rebuilt power steering gear box in the trunk. looks like I will be installing that one in a few weeks. |
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Location: McComb, Mississippi | Well, I have got the relined shoes back. It will be a few days before I can work on the car again. I will finish up the rear brakes soon and rebuild the carberator. I will wait until my friend has a free day so he can help me install the rebuilt poiwer steering gear box. Not much longer and this car will be road ready. |
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Location: bishop, ca | Pics of them, as delivered?
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Location: McComb, Mississippi | yes I will post some pictures and a couple of days. |
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Location: McComb, Mississippi | trying to finish up these rear brakes and fix a bad off idle stumble. Replaced the spark plug wires , cleaned the spark plugs , and rebuilt the carburetor which was already rebuilt. I still need to adjust the points a little bit. Hopefully this will cure the stumble. |
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Not sure why but I missed the original post on your car........
I might be in a minority group because I like 4 door sedans but too bad....
Not sure why but I really like the look of '61 Dodge's, they kinda have a "sad" looking front which is the opposite to my '59 Dodge's "angry "looking front.
I really dig the original "as found "condition of your Dodge I'd be proud to own that one !!
Good find there, and doubly good getting hold of it's past history too.
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Location: McComb, Mississippi | no, I do not think I will be converting the car to electronic ignition. more progress will come in the next few days. |
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Location: McComb, Mississippi | thank you very much.. I have come to the conclusion that the problem with the stumbling is the vacuum advance unit. I plugged off that port and the engine does not stumble. looks like I will be buying a new vacuum advance. |
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Location: McComb, Mississippi | I will be picking up the vacuum advance Monday. today, I replaced the headlight bulbs and took out the radio and gave it a thorough cleaning. I found a local upholstery shop that will reupholster the front seat for $150. all they will be doing is replacing the old rubber underneath the cover and fixing some of the seams of poped loose. I should have the brake system finished up by mid next week. then shortly thereafter, the car will be painted.
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Location: McComb, Mississippi | Here's the history...
The car came from Berkeley, CA. The Lowell family lived there, and the father Mr. Lowell (whom I met as a very elderly man when I bought the car) worked at the local Dodge dealership I believe as a mechanic. They had previously had a 1959 Dodge and traded it in for a new factory built-to-order 1961 Dodge Polara. I am told that when Mrs. Lowell took a test drive in a similar car, she stepped on the brakes (power) and came screeching to a halt - and insisted the new family car being ordered not have power brakes. Not sure why the heavy duty - extra leaf - rear springs were ordered. Maybe because Mr. Lowell was familiar with the large Chrysler Corp. cars of that era and knew they could develop sagging leaf springs (even though the 61 had a much lighter Unibody).
So this was the family car for many years. They went on to purchase other cars but this stayed in the family. They had a son named Rich, who was about 12 when the Polara was ordered (I saw a b&w pic of the car and him at that age). Rich really loved the car. Fast forward to many years later, the car had put on over 100K miles, and Rich was now away in college in No. Cal near Redding. He took over ownership of the old family car, brought it to college (his brother lived nearby). Over the next few years, Rich took auto shop courses and brought the car there as his student shop project. In one course he completely rebuilt the engine. In another course he completely rebuilt the transmission. And in an auto body course the car got its first paint job (pre-urethane enamel, still the old school enamels which didn't hold up well). All of this was under the guidance of expert instructors - with good results. I have seen pics of when Rich had the car really stripped out at his brother's ranch and was in the middle of the restorations.
Now fast forward to the late 1980's. I saw an ad for this and went to look at it. Rich was selling it, it was now being stored at his parent's family house in Berkeley, and they were now in failing elderly health. Rich was living in the high desert near Nevada and did not have much contact with the car, he wanted to give it a new home.
Enter me. My history with 1961 Dodge Polara's was strong. I spent the summer of 1961 at my sister's house near the beach on Long Island NY, and parked right alongside her front yard in the driveway of the summer rental house next door was a gorgeous new Marline Blue Polara 4 dr hardtop with the giant bubble back window. Everyday I saw that side profile and I just loved that car, it was so new too. After the summer the renters were gone, the car was gone - new car styles replaced the Forward Look era cars - - -
So I bought Rich's car and I really liked it, it drove like new. But many different turns of events in my life made it so that the car ended up in long term storage situations - first in a bard on a ranch in No. Cal. (where the paint job and upholstery stayed nice) then stored for several years outside in Riverside CA where the car really went downhill in the sun and smog (which I think ate the paint away, very common problem in smoggy L.A. area). The car hadn't been started or driven in many years, so I had it towed back here to S.F., CA. It stayed outside for several more years, but I always kept layers of water & sun proof car covers on it. But the heavy fog of S.F. started taking it's toll.
I never got the car started, because when the car was in storage in Riverside someone took the gas tank cap off and the gas in the tank evaporated and turned to a kerosene like varnish. I did get the engine running with the rubber fuel line dropped into a spare-gas can. But other events -including loss of that outdoor storage and the prohibitive cost of garage rent here in SF - so I came to some trading arrangements with John at Big M with the promise that the car not be parted out but sold to someone who would bring it back to life.
thanx so much for what you are doing to the car -what I never was able to get to -
Paul
p.s I have been in touch with Rich all these years. He has since gone back to motorcycle riding and travels all over the world now with friends. I get a Christmas card from every year detailing his world travels. He will be very heartened that the Polara has a new life, we shall send him some pics ! |
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Location: McComb, Mississippi | the dealer radio adjustment instructions. Still in the glovebox
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That is the Astrophonic radio, there, but that is the instructions for all radios' tuning adjustments.
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Location: McComb, Mississippi | it was not on top of the glove box. where else could it be? I am pretty sure it was not on the back seat.
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Location: McComb, Mississippi | I did not find the build sheet underneath the rear seat. I did however, find some panties underneath the rear seat. if only this car could talk....... |
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Location: McComb, Mississippi | ttotired - 2013-08-28 6:30 PM
Depending on the size. you might want to be carefull what you wish for
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Location: McComb, Mississippi | progress. I painted the engine today and ran new windshield washer hoses. one of the Jets was clogged so I blew out with compressed air. now I get two good squirts of water on the windshield when the pedal is depressed.
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Location: bishop, ca | Another restoration trick is to remove the OEM cover from the voltage regulator and to install it over the guts of a modern/
new V.R. .....assuming that OEM style V.R.'s are not 'currently' being re-popped.
This winter, or as soon as possible, whichever comes first, you should get the master cylinder properly
overhauled...in the meanwhile you can easily and regularly check on its (fresh-) fluid level.
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Location: bishop, ca | "Bare Steel" or "Bare Cast Iron" looks perfect.
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Location: McComb, Mississippi | Thanks Neil. Today I bit the bullet and bought some tires. They all radials with a thin white wall. I will be mounting the tires tomorrow.
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Location: McComb, Mississippi | Comparison. CLR treatment vs. untreated paint...
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Location: somerville mass | cool polara and your girls dart you both i bet get alot of attention driving around the area incl mccomb mississippi!
amazing how it was haned down all these years... you might
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Location: McComb, Mississippi | thank you very much. the car does not have AC. I have to get the rear passenger shoes relined and I will be road ready. I still have to get the car registered and get the vacuum advance back from rebuilding. here is a picture of the passenger side rear brake assembly all torn apart. By the way, the Fairbanks brake drum removal tool works wonders.
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Location: McComb, Mississippi | today, I finished up the brakes. I took the car on its first on road journey in years. I did not take the car too far from home, but the car does ride very smooth and quiet. There is no pull when I apply the brakes. The car stop straight as an arrow. The speedometer was making a lot of noise though. I just lubed up the cable and the speedometer head and the noise is gone.
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Location: McComb, Mississippi | The speedometer is no longer making noise. I drove it again and there is a squeak on the right side coming from the front suspension. Other than that, the car handles wonderfully. Anyone have an idea what can cause the suspension squeak when turning to the right? |
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Location: cornpatch county, Southwest IOA | plymouth - 2013-09-06 6:23 PM
The speedometer is no longer making noise. I drove it again and there is a squeak on the right side coming from the front suspension. Other than that, the car handles wonderfully. Anyone have an idea what can cause the suspension squeak when turning to the right? If it squeeks when the front end is moving up and down, I would think it is a rubber bushing in your A frame, or possibly sway bar if so equipped.................MO |
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Location: McComb, Mississippi | had a minor setback today , but I'm going to be positive about this. I realized that my master cylinder fluid level was lower than it was yesterday. so I started looking for leaks. the front driver side upper cylinder was leaking. I will take this as an opportunity to make sure all the bolts and hoses are tight. |
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Location: McComb, Mississippi | freshly primered upper control arm.
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Location: McComb, Mississippi | No thank you on the electronic ignition. with a set of ignition points, they may need periodic adjustment , but they will never leave you stranded on the side of the road. you can adjust points. you cannot adjust electronic ignition.. |
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Location: McComb, Mississippi | Well, it's decided that the Polara will be receiving a front end rebuild to accompany the rebuilt brakes, engine, transmission, and power steering gear box. I'm using Moog parts. This will be my first front end overhaul on a forward look.
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Location: McComb, Mississippi | Thanks. Looks like I may have to put off painting her for a few months while I pay for front end rebuild parts. |
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Location: McComb, Mississippi | I found the engine code and cleaned off the timing marks today. waiting for the vacuum advance to return as well as the cam plate for the driver side front brake assembly.
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Location: McComb, Mississippi | polished lower front fender with CLR.
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Location: McComb, Mississippi | I have been polishing up a few pieces of chrome on the car. I am using 0000 steel wool and chrome polish with a very surprising results. The windshield wipers and chrome around the windshield really turned out nice.
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Location: McComb, Mississippi | I pretty much have nothing to do today, I thought I would share my plans for this car. I want the car to be a dependable daily driver. The engine and transmission have been rebuilt so I do not foresee any problems there. since the back seat is in such nice shape, I am going to leave it alone. I am going to get the padding underneath the seat cover on the front seat replaced. I am going to get the front seat cover repaired using fabric from SMS. I'm going to get the headliner replaced. I'm going to paint the car the original color using acrylic enamel. I am going to use this car like it was meant to be used, as a CAR.
also waxed the dashboard today.
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Location: Arizona | Not sure exactly what you mean by "padding" on the front seat but if you are talking about just some of the "Stuffing and other stuff" rather then ALL the stuffing and other soft materials I would reccommend that as long as you are going to have the seat worked on you replace ALL the stuffing, foam, whatever. That old stuff is part of what makes that stinky old car smell and it won't cost much more to get rid of it all then to just replace the top layer. ANother word of advice I would offer is tell the upholsterer that you don't want to make the seat cushion wind up thicker. The guy who did mine really stuff the foam in it and now I practically hit the ceiling. |
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Location: McComb, Mississippi | thank you for the advice. I meant all the padding and stuffing. |
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Location: McComb, Mississippi | today was semi productive. There are only two dents on the whole car. I started trying to pop out the dent on the passenger side quarter panel using a propane torch. It pulled most of the dent out, but not all. I am awaiting further advice from group members as to what action I should take next. I do not want to glob down body filler on the car. I do understand that It may require a skim coat over the affected area. I just want the job to be as professional as possible.
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Location: McComb, Mississippi | Took the back seat out for a good cleaning. I used GOOP hand cleaner to clean the vinyl. I must admit that it cleaned up really well. It softened up the vinyl a lot. The back seat looks brand new. I also found a dime from 1954 and the jack handle which looks like it was never used.
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Location: bishop, ca | Pro's are not afraid to apply El Bondo.
Saw a Porch, a few decades ago, that was stripped for a re-paint; it was 'covered' by skim coats, to correct the OEM defects
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Once it's painted, and unless it is a 'flaky' Bondo Sculpture, ain't nobody gonna know what lies under all that pretty color (...which
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Location: McComb, Mississippi | Thanks Neil, im gonna have to use a little filler to get her just right. I got the seat reinstalled.. Looks good.
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Location: Victoria, BC, on Vancouver Island, Canada | Your back seat looks fantastic! This exact same upholstery was used on Canadian built 1961 Chrysler Windsors, FL member Ray Bohn has this same color in his 1961 Windsor.
A little skim coat of bondo is quite normal in body work, to repair minor imperfections and as Neil mentioned stripping original paint of a car can reveal factory applications of skim coat bondo. When it's been built up thick to cover major areas of bad body work or rust, then it becomes an issue. |
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Location: McComb, Mississippi | thank you for the compliments. I I am blown away on how well this car was preserved. |
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Location: bishop, ca | Chris, altho the seat looks great, a commercial mobile carpet cleaning company should be able to deep clean the residual staining.
LOL...this is NOT my car's interior, but another guy's (from the 90's) CRL, where my local shop
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Location: McComb, Mississippi | Neil, is there anywhere else on the car that I could possibly find the broadcast sheet? I have looked on both parts of the back seat and on top of the glove box. |
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There was no gaurantee that it happened, but good luck
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Location: McComb, Mississippi | Started taking all of the chrome off today for the repaint. Absolutely no rust under any of the window trim. I believe I made a very smart decision getting a California car.
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Location: McComb, Mississippi | I have spent the entire day sending down the car. I have been using a DA sander with 320 grit paper. I will be using primer on the areas that are bare . Then, the whole car will be shot with sealer. then it will be top coated with blue acrylic enamel.
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Location: McComb, Mississippi | More sanding today. All rough spots I have completely sanded down with 80 grit. The rest I have hit with
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Location: McComb, Mississippi | Received the rebuilt vacuum advance today. I will install it tomorrow and get the engine tuned up. Still filling minor dings. Getting really close to paint.. |
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Location: McComb, Mississippi | Got everything back togethet but discovered I have an off idle stumble. after a little investigating, I discovered that it was a clogged carburetor jet. looks like I will be cleaning out the carburetor tomorrow. |
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Location: McComb, Mississippi | well I got the carburetor jet unclogged. Now the car performs like new. |
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Location: McComb, Mississippi | Got my girlfriends car painted today. Still need to wetsand and buff.. I will be painting mine tomorrow.
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Location: bishop, ca | How about a close up view of the grille emblem?
Is it as good as it appears, or are you going to start saving your dollar-bills, for an Emblemagic 'perfect' one?
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Location: cornpatch county, Southwest IOA | plymouth - 2013-10-27 5:22 PM
from what I gather, you cannot wet sand or polish metallic paint. I am not sure about that, but if you really wanted more shine and smooth-ness, you could give a couple of clear coats and wet sand - polish that. Looks real good to me as is.......................................MO |
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Location: McComb, Mississippi | thank you. I like the way it looks too. |
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Location: somerville mass | excellent work! you probably learned like mee thru trial and error mostly
error! from a 58 plymouth that forum friends helped you buy and that
that your mom didnt want you to have (she changed her mind ) to this -
wow! eventually you may or may not want to have prof painted....
new front end bushings ok.... it does and still will run like a brand new
car. the post you put up with orig owner sons comment.. did he see
this? he may want to buy it back! exc job! next - a imperial or a letter
car. time to trade up!!!! |
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Location: bossier city, louisiana | I must say you've done a very good job.I have known "professional" automotive painters that couldn't have done it better! very nice car. |
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Location: McComb, Mississippi | thanks guys for all the kind words. there will be much more progress to come. the next half of this restoration will be more about the interior and rear axle. |
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Location: Los Angeles, California | MOPAR-TO-YA - 2013-10-29 12:37 AM
plymouth - 2013-10-27 5:22 PM
from what I gather, you cannot wet sand or polish metallic paint. I am not sure about that, but if you really wanted more shine and smooth-ness, you could give a couple of clear coats and wet sand - polish that. Looks real good to me as is.......................................MO
It's metallic? Looks like normal paint from this distance...  Looking at the pictures it seems to have more of a gloss appearance to the paint... http://oldcarbrochures.com/static/NA/Dodge/1961_Dodge/1961_Dodge_Da... not sure why I just have a feeling that it looks kinda "murky" maybe I'm just used to seeing a near mirror reflection in higher quality paint? |
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Location: McComb, Mississippi | Yes it is metallic. I used single stage enamel which is what the factory used. also it is not murky... You have a way with rubbing folks the wrong way. |
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Very impressive work, plymouth!
The bright work really sets off that pretty blue paint!
Can't wait to see what else you have in store for your great Polara.
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Location: McComb, Mississippi | 57Kelii - 2013-10-29 11:32 PM
MOPAR-TO-YA - 2013-10-29 12:37 AM
plymouth - 2013-10-27 5:22 PM
from what I gather, you cannot wet sand or polish metallic paint. I am not sure about that, but if you really wanted more shine and smooth-ness, you could give a couple of clear coats and wet sand - polish that. Looks real good to me as is.......................................MO
It's metallic? Looks like normal paint from this distance... Looking at the pictures it seems to have more of a gloss appearance to the paint... http://oldcarbrochures.com/static/NA/Dodge/1961_Dodge/1961_Dodge_Da... not sure why I just have a feeling that it looks kinda "murky" maybe I'm just used to seeing a near mirror reflection in higher quality paint?
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Location: McComb, Mississippi | FIN ME - 2013-10-30 9:34 AM
Very impressive work, plymouth!
The bright work really sets off that pretty blue paint!
Can't wait to see what else you have in store for your great Polara.
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Thanks. I'm really excited about getting her finished. |
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Location: Los Angeles, California | plymouth - 2013-10-30 6:32 AM
Yes it is metallic. I used single stage enamel which is what the factory used. also it is not murky... You have a way with rubbing folks the wrong way.
Yeah I seem to do that a lot...  I mean no offense...I'm still learning a lot about cars and I've not exactly seen this style of paint before.. |
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Location: Los Angeles, California | plymouth - 2013-10-30 3:02 PM
57Kelii - 2013-10-29 11:32 PM
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plymouth - 2013-10-27 5:22 PM
from what I gather, you cannot wet sand or polish metallic paint. I am not sure about that, but if you really wanted more shine and smooth-ness, you could give a couple of clear coats and wet sand - polish that. Looks real good to me as is.......................................MO
It's metallic? Looks like normal paint from this distance... Looking at the pictures it seems to have more of a gloss appearance to the paint... http://oldcarbrochures.com/static/NA/Dodge/1961_Dodge/1961_Dodge_Da... not sure why I just have a feeling that it looks kinda "murky" maybe I'm just used to seeing a near mirror reflection in higher quality paint?
Hey Kelli. Lets see your car with that mirror shine.
I wouldn't call mine "mirror like" but here http://fc05.deviantart.net/fs70/i/2012/274/f/2/grey_by_scraftylark-... |
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Location: cornpatch county, Southwest IOA | plymouth - 2013-10-30 2:02 PM
57Kelii - 2013-10-29 11:32 PM
MOPAR-TO-YA - 2013-10-29 12:37 AM
plymouth - 2013-10-27 5:22 PM
from what I gather, you cannot wet sand or polish metallic paint. I am not sure about that, but if you really wanted more shine and smooth-ness, you could give a couple of clear coats and wet sand - polish that. Looks real good to me as is.......................................MO
It's metallic? Looks like normal paint from this distance... Looking at the pictures it seems to have more of a gloss appearance to the paint... http://oldcarbrochures.com/static/NA/Dodge/1961_Dodge/1961_Dodge_Da... not sure why I just have a feeling that it looks kinda "murky" maybe I'm just used to seeing a near mirror reflection in higher quality paint?
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Location: Bräcke,Sweden | Looking good CB. Somethings wrong with your camera now? I think the pics are not as sharp as they were before you painted her.
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I can't help but think of how the average schmuck thinks when they see something so bizarre as
a 1961 Polara. They really are Mother Mopar's pinnacle "WTF ?" icon.
My brother keeps a photo of his Polara on the service counter where he works. In ten years, not
a single customer has guessed what it is ! When they ask, he says "I was hoping you could tell ME !"
One more reason I love these unusual old dogs.
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Location: McComb, Mississippi | Replaced the radiator hoses yesterday. I am awaiting a new heater core and fuel gauge from big m. I have a new Job at the local Nissan dealership. im working around 44 hours a week so I am getting the front end rebuilt and rear axle bearings replaced by my former auto instructor. I still need to get the seats redone and new headliner and dash pad. Any sources on dash pads?? |
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Location: So. Cal | Way to go. Getting a job in the auto services is the best way to get a good handle on things. It can make a good career too. If you learn everything you need to about working on new cars, you can eventually open your own shop.
The car looks great too. Good for you for getting 'er done with whatever resources are available to you. Many people on here don't understand the concept of restoring a car just enough to drive and use it on a daily basis. They have their mind so set on museum quality restorations that they don't understand the value of making a car fun to drive. Enjoy the satisfaction as you drive by their 20yr long projects sitting in their garages. |
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Location: McComb, Mississippi | Doctor DeSoto - 2013-11-17 11:20 AM
Have you looked into Just Dashes ?
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Location: McComb, Mississippi | Powerflite - 2013-11-17 11:55 AM
Way to go. Getting a job in the auto services is the best way to get a good handle on things. It can make a good career too. If you learn everything you need to about working on new cars, you can eventually open your own shop.
The car looks great too. Good for you for getting 'er done with whatever resources are available to you. Many people on here don't understand the concept of restoring a car just enough to drive and use it on a daily basis. They have their mind so set on museum quality restorations that they don't understand the value of making a car fun to drive. Enjoy the satisfaction as you drive by their 20yr long projects sitting in their garages.
I completely agree. Im sure driving around in a work in progress is much more fun than waiting years and years for something you are scared to look at the wrong way. |
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Location: McComb, Mississippi | firedome - 2013-11-17 3:01 PM
Just be sitting down when you get Just Dashes price!
That bad huh?? |
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Location: Upper Hunter NSW Australia | plymouth - 2013-11-18 7:56 AM
Powerflite - 2013-11-17 11:55 AM
Way to go. Getting a job in the auto services is the best way to get a good handle on things. It can make a good career too. If you learn everything you need to about working on new cars, you can eventually open your own shop.
The car looks great too. Good for you for getting 'er done with whatever resources are available to you. Many people on here don't understand the concept of restoring a car just enough to drive and use it on a daily basis. They have their mind so set on museum quality restorations that they don't understand the value of making a car fun to drive. Enjoy the satisfaction as you drive by their 20yr long projects sitting in their garages.
I completely agree. Im sure driving around in a work in progress is much more fun than waiting years and years for something you are scared to look at the wrong way.
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Agree also,
I love seeing people work on their own cars themselves as much as possible and like has already been said, using whatever resources you can find. I have great respect for those working with whatever knowledge they have at the time.
Getting in and learning how to do something that had previously been outside of someones comfort zone is something to be admired in my eyes.
Nice car too, I like the 61 Dodge fronts especially, kinda look sad .....................
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Location: McComb, Mississippi | as of today, the front suspension has been completely overhauled including a rebuilt power steering gearbox. The car handles wonderfully. I still need to get a front end alignment though. I have a few rattles in the interior that I need to take care , mainly the push buttons. the next thing to do, is replaced the rear axle bearings and oil seals.
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Location: Victoria, BC, on Vancouver Island, Canada | plymouth - 2013-11-27 4:47 PM
as of today, the front suspension has been completely overhauled including a rebuilt power steering gearbox. The car handles wonderfully. I still need to get a front end alignment though. I have a few rattles in the interior that I need to take care , mainly the push buttons. the next thing to do, is replaced the rear axle bearings and oil seals.
The push buttons have felt inserts between the buttons and where they come through the holes in the dash to keep them from rattling Yours are probably rotted out. Gary Goers has replacements. |
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Location: McComb, Mississippi | the car had a problem with all of the gauges reading incorrectly. I discovered it was the built in voltage regulator in the fuel gauge. I replaced the gauge and I now have correct gauges, except for the temperature gauge. The temperature sending unit is bad so I have one on order. The next good weather weekend, I will be replacing the rear axle bearings and seals. Then comes the new headliner. |
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Location: Heaven Above (Formerly Oklahoma City,OK) | Christian, if you do want the paint to have more "shine", and if it is an enamel base paint, give it 4-5 months to "cure" and then it can be wet sanded with 800 or 1000 grit, and it can then be polished with a very fine rubbing compound. Of course that presumes that you put enough paint on it. Other wise, your looking at wet sanding it with320 to 400 grit and throwing 4 or 5 coats of clear on it. Then do the 1000 grit and rubbing compound tricks. Make it shine like a baby's butt. |
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Location: McComb, Mississippi | Have been having some heater problems that have been boggling me for Weeks. my vacuum switch was broken beyond repair so I found a really nice used one. Installed the switch and the defroster still wasnt working right. I checked all the vacuum actuators and they all worked fine. I finally realized that someone had reversed the vacuum hoses for the defroster door and the shut off door. Swapped them back and now the heater works great on all settings. |
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Thanks for the pic's and the update, plymouth!
It's always GREAT to see someone who is so obviously enthusiastic about their old FL car!
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I am not trying to be mean at all here especially if its your first time painting a car, but you could see the orange peel on this car from google earth. Id get fired for that.
And if you painted it a metallic single stage enamel FORGET about trying to buff it out. It will be a waste of time. Blue metallic single stage will turn blotchy if you wet sand and buff it. Even just buffing it will make it worse you will tip all the metal flake over.
I am not trying to be a dick but sand her down and spary her in base clear or at the very least urethane.
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Location: McComb, Mississippi | calvatron - 2014-01-07 7:21 PM
WOW!!!
I am not trying to be mean at all here especially if its your first time painting a car, but you could see the orange peel on this car from google earth. Id get fired for that.
And if you painted it a metallic single stage enamel FORGET about trying to buff it out. It will be a waste of time. Blue metallic single stage will turn blotchy if you wet sand and buff it. Even just buffing it will make it worse you will tip all the metal flake over.
I am not trying to be a dick but sand her down and spary her in base clear or at the very least urethane.
Im not trying to be a Dick either, but if you have nothing positive to say, dont f####ng comment on my thread. |
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Location: McComb, Mississippi | oldwood - 2014-01-08 9:40 PM
Someones THONG may be a little tight.
Just pisses me off that I put so much effort into MY Car and someone has nothing better to do than point out flaws. |
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Location: bishop, ca | Hey, CB; you know I'm on your side.
Calvin supplied some valuable information, about not trying to buff out single-stage metallic enamel paint.
Didn't know about that, but it makes sense.
If you have not, yet, got your wheels aligned, here's a screen shot from my ride's radial tire alignment specs,
from 2005.
My shop's computer parameters referenced OEM bias ply tires specifications, and not radial tire specs..
Old time wheel alignments used to reflect an abundance of considerably-humped roadways, and stiff bias ply sidewalls, which tend
to allow tread corners to lift, upon cornering, instead of having the treads lie flat against the pavement, like radial tires do permit.
The OEM bias ply specs on Camber adjustments is interesting, which call for positive on the left and negative on
the right, so that the tires would lean into the (now, non-existent) humped/swaled roadways.
Radial tires do not need negative caster to maintain a flat tread against (flat) pavement cornering.
However, most cars are driven around-town, and studies have shown that most turns are toward the
left (go ask your shop), which tends to wear the INSIDE edge of the (left) 'inside' tire.
My shop installed a tad more positive Camber on the left tire, so as to preserve some of the inside edge of the left tire.
(most-) All tires need some Toe-in, because, at highway speeds the suspension dynamics tends to pull the wheel
apart, so, if they start out slightly pigeon-toed, they will straighten out and fly right (an old expression) at speed.
My shop said that the subject .02 Toe-in on the right side should have been .04, but that the difference between the two sides
was not critical to the car's performance..
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As someone who does this sort of work for a living I am just trying to help you make your car look its very best.
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Location: McComb, Mississippi | Well, this was a surprise! Had no idea there was a chance of snow. Thought I'd share a couple of pictures.
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Location: McComb, Mississippi | First long trip in the Polara. We covered a little over 200 miles running at freeway speeds. I am averaging around 19.5mpg. Had a great time. |
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Location: Georgia | Where did y'all go? Take any road trip photos?
Glad you are enjoying the Polara!
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Location: Williams California | Road trips is what it's all about!!
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Location: McComb, Mississippi | More progress done today.
the car has had a really low pitched hum coming from the rear end ever since I purchased the car. it is extremely noticeable at speeds above 60 miles an hour. Today, I replaced the rear axle bearings, races, and seals. I found the problem on the drivers side race. I had to use a good bit of heat to free the eroded race. Check out how bad this race is. I replaced all of the parts and now the car goes down the road quiet at all speeds.
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Location: So. Cal | Having a quiet ride after driving it with a howl is a sweet feeling. I put a new 8" Ford axle that Currie shortened for me into my '69 Corona. They must have used really cheap crap Chinese bearings in the thing. It always made noise. I thought it was because of the pinion angle, driveshaft or something else; but no matter how I played with it, I couldn't get rid of the noise. So I just lived with it until 30k miles later I start dropping balls out on the freeway.  I replaced the bearings with good American stuff and suddenly it is quiet like it should be. |
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Location: Perth Australia | So many comments about "dropping balls" , but none of them belong here
Good find on the bearind CB
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Location: bishop, ca | For anyone wondering about CB's having got 19.5 MPG on the road, that's what the 361/2-bbl, with the 2.93:1 gearset
will do for you.
This is about what a 61 Windsor sedan got, to/from Tulsa, back in 2007, as well.
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Location: McComb, Mississippi | Since the car has sat for so many years, I thought it would be wise to replace the valve stem seals and since I'll be in that far, I am going to replace the valve springs just to be safe. |
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Location: McComb, Mississippi | Finally got around to the valve spring and seal replacement. First thing I noticed was the lack of sludge, which confirms the rebuild. Second, the wrong springs were installed! The old springs were nearly half an inch too short and were slightly too big in diameter. All is put back together and I will fire her up first thing in the morning.
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Location: Arizona | I'm no engine builder so this is just a thought, but maybe the shorter 2 piece spring is equivalent to the longer single spring?? |
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Location: McComb, Mississippi | No, the small springs are just to keep the Valve from dropping if the valve spring should break. The car is back together now. I disassembled and lubed the hood hinges and latch, installed a new engine to body ground wire and reset the points using a diagnostic analyzer from the mid seventies. I set the timing and carb and all is well now. It runs so much stronger with new springs. Next week I will adjust the transmission linkage and the backlash on the power steering gearbox. |
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Location: McComb, Mississippi | Hello from Alaska! It'll be around a year before I can get back to my polara. Since installing new valve springs, the cars acceleration power has easily doubled. When I get back, im going to repaint it, new interior with all new weatherstripping.. I will also be adding air conditioning to deal with that Mississippi heat. |
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Location: Bräcke,Sweden | Hello Christian, stay safe up in the cold north. I assume work made you move. Watch out for Icebears.
Good to read that youve sorted out various problems with your Polara. You have come a long way from the first
time I read one of your threads regarding your Plymouth.
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Location: Williams California | CB,
Hope things are going well for you in Alaska!!
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Location: cornpatch county, Southwest IOA | Hi CB...I was just catching up on the last 3 or so pages of your thread. I gotta tell you, even tho I don't know you, I am proud of you and all you have accomplished. There are still a few of us old FL veterens that have seen you grow since first joining the group here. You have a very unique story, and Bart can feel good about being a part of it.
If anyone ever says to me-" I would like to have a Mopar, but i can't afford it" I would think BS !!! If you really mean it, do like Christian did!!
Why are you in Alaska?...............Best wishes.........................MO |
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Location: Alaska | The flat springs are dampeners to help reduce or "dampen" the vibrations in the main springs but old ones are wrong or worn out. Who are you working for in Ak? |
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Location: Arizona | Are the inner damper springs supposed to be interferences sized to just rub on the outer spring? Looks like they might be. |
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Location: McComb, Mississippi | Hey guys, im doing well in Alaska. I am working for a small auto shop on weekends and as a greaser for the city of Bethels police and taxi cars. Just saving up money for a house and restoration funds for when I return. |
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Location: Alaska | Bethel Ak. you get to see the "real" Alaska! Make sure you don't bring one of those Eskimo girls home with you. All of the spring dampeners I have seen are a close fit to the I.D. of the outer spring and tend to rub some on the them but are not supposed to be an interference fit.
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Location: McComb, Mississippi | While I'm in Alaska, im collecting Parts for the AC conversion and restoration of the Polara so I can start immediately when I get home. Here is the Hayden 2765 fan clutch. Need to find a good 6 or 7 blade fan to go with the clutch.
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Location: McComb, Mississippi | Received a few parts so far. The compressor, which I will rebuild, brackets,alternator, and crank pulley. When I finish the car, I'm planning a trip down Route 66. I can't wait! |
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Location: bishop, ca | What does that Hayden cost?
One nice feature on it, is that the water pump flange is already notched out; on the JAG XJ clutch, you've got to cut your own
notches into its bolt-holes.
No big deal, but labor saved is labor saved.
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Location: McComb, Mississippi | About $35 was the cost |
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Location: little rock, AR | Guess who is going to claim he is from Mississippi??? Ole Miss beats # 1 Alabama. |
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Location: cornpatch county, Southwest IOA | plymouth - 2014-09-22 12:05 AM
About $35 was the cost My Hayden fan clutch came with a bushing to make it fit the smaller water pump hub nub ..............................MO |
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Location: McComb, Mississippi | The clock for my Polara has arrived! A guy I work with repairs antique clocks and watches and he says he will help me restore my clock . More to come..
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That clock is COOL...and beyond!
Soooooo FL, and soooooo of its time - no pun intended.
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Location: McComb, Mississippi | Thank you. I think this clock looks cool as well. After removing the movement from its case, it appears it just needs a good cleaning, lubricating , and filing the points and it'll be good to go. |
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Location: Victoria, BC, on Vancouver Island, Canada | The 61 Dodge clock is a slightly different take on the 60 Dodge "Satellite" clock. |
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Location: McComb, Mississippi | Just got a stock spec muffler and a resonator from waldrons exhaust ordered. It is a custom order so it will take 8 weeks, but it's fine since I won't be home for nine months. They were highly knowledgable and the price was great. I highly recommend them. As for the clock, it has been disassembled and the internals look great. We are going to file the points and lubricate the mechanism. It should be ticking away in no time. |
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Location: Victoria, BC, on Vancouver Island, Canada | Christian asked me to upload a few photos of the all vinyl interior on the 61 Polara, so here they are:
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Location: McComb, Mississippi | Thank you so much for the photos! |
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Location: Victoria, BC, on Vancouver Island, Canada | I thought I had more but that's it. |
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Location: McComb, Mississippi | Well got the carpet shipped to Mississippi and here is a photo. Can't wait to get home and finish the car.
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Location: Parts Unknown | Finish the car ? Isn't that a rather illogical statement ? Are we ever REALLY finished ?
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Location: McComb, Mississippi | Got the muffler and resonator delivered to MS. Waldrons exhaust built these for me and they look great.
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| <p>very cool! u so remind me of that kid in the 'the steven king movie" Christine , he was also always fixing his 58 and look what all his hard work turned out keep at it , id wait on the body and paint and focus on pulling that engine and replace all the gaskets and and detail it and also that engine bay , best part of any old car is a clean and painted engine/bay good luck</p>
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