1957 Plymouth Plaza business coupe
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Posted 2014-02-28 10:35 PM (#429375)
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Finally got one and I just found out tonight. My father surprised me got my dream car. I am still in shock. It's a no back seat car! I'm still in shock so I don't have much to say right now! Full restoration is the plan. Also Joe if your reading this thank you for making my dream come true and coming all the way from Ohio! I also want to thing my father of course.

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The Chrysler Kid
Posted 2014-02-28 11:08 PM (#429376 - in reply to #429375)
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Posted 2014-02-28 11:28 PM (#429380 - in reply to #429375)
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This is SO cool. Way to go ! I was searching around for that thread last week, wondering
whatever became of this car ...

So, what was the status of the rear cargo/no-seat area ?

Looking forward to seeing this hideous thing come back to life.
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The Chrysler Kid
Posted 2014-02-28 11:34 PM (#429382 - in reply to #429380)
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She is 100% complete the pedestal type thing is in one of the boxes. It is completely disassembled so tomorrow will be like christmas getting in all those boxes.
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Posted 2014-02-28 11:38 PM (#429383 - in reply to #429382)
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This is terrific. Photos ! Photos !
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The Chrysler Kid
Posted 2014-02-28 11:45 PM (#429384 - in reply to #429383)
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I'll be getting tons of photos tomorrow I'll be laying out all the parts to see what is there..
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Posted 2014-03-01 12:57 AM (#429390 - in reply to #429384)
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Whaddya mean, "tomorrow" ?

Break out the lights and work the grave shift !
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Posted 2014-03-01 1:22 AM (#429393 - in reply to #429390)
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Is the "no back seat" area finished at all, in any manner, or, does it appear that a rear seat was just
removed from the car/

Gotta believe that the factory did SOMETHING to 'finish' the appearance of a 'missing' back seat.



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Posted 2014-03-01 7:07 AM (#429403 - in reply to #429375)
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Wow, nice score there, I really like these " no frills " bare bones cars

Thumbs up from me

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Posted 2014-03-01 7:20 AM (#429404 - in reply to #429375)
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Mucho de Goodo! Happy for you!

Keep us updated with your progress here with lots of photos.

Terrific, glad that car went to a good home.
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The Chrysler Kid
Posted 2014-03-01 9:31 AM (#429408 - in reply to #429375)
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Dash was already redone!



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Posted 2014-03-01 12:13 PM (#429421 - in reply to #429375)
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Congratulations, Waay Cool deal... hope to see come to life...
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The Chrysler Kid
Posted 2014-03-01 12:48 PM (#429426 - in reply to #429375)
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I hung the fenders to see how it all fit. Can't wait to get started on the restoration I will document it on here.



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The Chrysler Kid
Posted 2014-03-01 5:06 PM (#429442 - in reply to #429375)
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Back seat area of Lucy at the moment.



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Posted 2014-03-01 8:11 PM (#429474 - in reply to #429375)
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The Chrysler Kid
Posted 2014-03-01 9:23 PM (#429489 - in reply to #429375)
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That is the plan! I have everything to make it a two four barrel car.
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Posted 2014-03-01 10:18 PM (#429492 - in reply to #429375)
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How can you be sure its a Business Coupe????

I can take the rear seat out of my Savoy and call it a Business Coupe. I mean how do you know??????????
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Posted 2014-03-01 10:47 PM (#429499 - in reply to #429375)
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Wasn't the none roll down rear windows business coupe only? Also the guys word he was a very honest guy.
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Posted 2014-03-02 5:22 AM (#429535 - in reply to #429375)
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Congratulations on making your dream come true!
I'm curious about that factory stock BC backseat area.
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Posted 2014-03-02 7:20 AM (#429543 - in reply to #429375)
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Yes, the non-rolling down rear windows are business coupe only.

Congratulations on the rare find. I have never seen one before. And I look forward to seeing that hemi in it.
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Posted 2014-03-02 10:53 AM (#429552 - in reply to #429543)
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Thanks. I want to do a disc brake conversion has anyone been down this road before? What would be the best way to go?
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Posted 2014-03-02 9:16 PM (#429634 - in reply to #429375)
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Just to keep these two threads connected, here's the other Business Coupe discussion:

http://www.forwardlook.net/forums/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=20946&...



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Posted 2014-03-03 1:07 PM (#429694 - in reply to #429375)
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Looks like a decent car indeed.

We'll be looking forward to your progress on it!

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Posted 2014-03-03 3:35 PM (#429710 - in reply to #429375)
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I put her up on blocks to be able to work under her easier. Still waiting to get the vin decoded.



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Posted 2014-03-04 3:33 PM (#429861 - in reply to #429710)
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Neat car! Glad to see it getting built up here on the FL site.

Any pictures yet of that backseat area and cover? I think everyone is anxious to see that.

I'm sure you saw the Photoshop I did of a "hot" version of a business coupe in the other thread. If you want it, I can send the original Photoshop file with the various layers that you can play around with.

Very nice to see it here. Keep us posted!

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Posted 2014-03-04 7:10 PM (#429887 - in reply to #429861)
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Even though people ask me to fix there computers I have no idea how to use them so photoshop is very foreign to me haha! I posted the photo of the rear seat area early up. That car you shopped is very cool what did you use as the "base"?
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Posted 2014-03-05 9:22 AM (#429955 - in reply to #429887)
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Actually, I used two cars plus a bunch of time "fixing" the front end to get there.

http://car-from-uk.com/sale.php?id=8508

http://jalopyjournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=834610



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Posted 2014-03-05 4:55 PM (#430005 - in reply to #429382)
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I saw the photo of the rear seat area, but...

The Chrysler Kid - 2014-02-28 10:34 PM

She is 100% complete the pedestal type thing is in one of the boxes.


^^... this is the part I'm a little anxious to see.
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Posted 2014-03-05 7:12 PM (#430019 - in reply to #429375)
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The Chrysler Kid - 2014-02-28 10:35 PM

Finally got one and I just found out tonight. My father surprised me got my dream car. I am still in shock. It's a no back seat car! I'm still in shock so I don't have much to say right now! Full restoration is the plan. Also Joe if your reading this thank you for making my dream come true and coming all the way from Ohio! I also want to thing my father of course.
Congratulations Rick, sounds like you have a great dad. You have a great looking car, looks like you will be having a great time doing the restoration. Good luck with it, & keep us posted. -Garry.
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Posted 2014-03-05 7:55 PM (#430022 - in reply to #429375)
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Congrats! Very nice choice.
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Posted 2014-03-05 9:11 PM (#430031 - in reply to #430022)
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Ah I see! Thanks for the nice comments!
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Posted 2014-03-05 9:47 PM (#430045 - in reply to #430005)
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I saw the photo of the rear seat area, but...

The Chrysler Kid - 2014-02-28 10:34 PM

She is 100% complete the pedestal type thing is in one of the boxes.


^^... this is the part I'm a little anxious to see. :cool:


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I think we all are. A stripped out back seat area looks like any other car. It was how they
constructed the seat replacement that made a business coupe special.
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The Chrysler Kid
Posted 2014-03-06 6:50 PM (#430150 - in reply to #429375)
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I got the gas tank out today. The trunk is in very good shape as well as the tank. Also my service manual came today. Does anyone know of a good source to get a rear passenger side front quarter?



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The Chrysler Kid
Posted 2014-03-08 4:07 PM (#430412 - in reply to #429375)
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Lucy now has a transmission! She will be a 4 speed on the floor. Very nice knowledgable guy had it for sale. Now I am just waiting on the inner and outer rockers to arrive.



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Posted 2014-03-08 4:29 PM (#430414 - in reply to #430412)
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So, are we to assume that this car, like all the rest, had the business coupe special rear seat
area "equipment" tossed ?

Here, I was getting all excited to finally see what that stuff looked like.
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Posted 2014-03-08 4:58 PM (#430417 - in reply to #430414)
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As it turns out I assumed it had special equipment. The car just has no rear seat and fixed rear windows.
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Posted 2014-03-09 1:31 PM (#430499 - in reply to #430414)
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Doctor DeSoto - 2014-03-08 3:29 PM

Here, I was getting all excited to finally see what that stuff looked like.


It seems like a scan of a '57-59 Plymouth parts book would show how this area was finished out in a business coupe, along with part numbers. No?
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Posted 2014-03-09 1:52 PM (#430501 - in reply to #430499)
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In spite of my 58 Plaza ownership, I have yet to buy the associated books and lit. I may
already have some of it from earlier 58 Plymouth ownership or dealer stock ? But that stuff
is all boxed up and put away, so I have not looked.

A long time ago I thought owning/restoring one of these would be really neat, but the idea
of a stripper 4 door won out. The thing that makes a business coupe neat is the extreme
stripper nature of it, and that special rear seat area trim out. Without that, it's just another
two-door sedan. The fixed rear glass is not that big of a deal to me. It's ALL the details
together.

Were I to do one of these, it would be done to represent what a unique car it was with all
those quirky stripper details proudly shown off in all their underwhelming anti-glory !

What was the last year a Mopar business coupe was offered, 58 ?
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Posted 2014-03-09 5:03 PM (#430525 - in reply to #430501)
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Not exactly comfortable with all these "drag" modifications being done to a business coupe. They are nearly non existent, more so than Furies. Rare cars don't have the luxury to be modified in such a way.
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Posted 2014-03-09 11:29 PM (#430566 - in reply to #429375)
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57Kelii, I have to disagree with you. My 58 business coupe came with no engine or trans. and no interior so I will be using interior parts from another parts car I have. Also, I plan on installing a 440 and 4 speed in it. Are you one of those "purists" that demand a car be restored to original condition? Maybe you have a spare 318 and 3 speed manual just laying around you will give me.
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Posted 2014-03-10 7:55 AM (#430585 - in reply to #430566)
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Hi Rolland

Are you looking for a 3 speed gearbox ?
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The Chrysler Kid
Posted 2014-03-10 4:14 PM (#430642 - in reply to #429375)
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I plan on building the car how I have dreamed of having it. So it will have a hemi with 2 four barrels, a four speed on the floor, and I may even put a rear seat in the car.
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Posted 2014-03-10 5:21 PM (#430650 - in reply to #429375)
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Posted 2014-03-10 11:17 PM (#430689 - in reply to #429375)
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metalshop16, thanks for the offer but I plan on running a mopar 4 speed in my car. I let myself get a little irritated at 57 Kelii's comment that a business coupe should only be restored to original condition. My car was built with a 318 and manual 3 speed but that was missing when I bought the car. I actually have a 57 3 speed and 301 I could put in it if I wanted to.
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Posted 2014-03-10 11:55 PM (#430693 - in reply to #430689)
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Many years ago I stumbled on a guy who had 3-4 59 Chevy sedan deliverys and a business coupe.
Back then, I was all about hardtops, convertibles, and bling, but was aware enough to realize how
special these professional stripper cars were. His business coupe remained in rough, but original
condition and I remember thinking what a clusterschtuppe that back seat area was for any use but
a traveling salesman with the type of commodity that could be hauled that way. And even so, why
not get a 4 door so you could get at the goods ??? Still, it was really cool for being such a stripper
POS and contributed to my developing appreciation for these bottom-of-the-barrel cars.

I would hope anyone with one of these very special cars would appreciate them that way, but
realize that everyone has their own tastes. I know if I saw one at a car show, I'd walk past all the
300's and Furys to drool on the truly RARE car. As far as I know, there is not a single example of
a 57-58 Plymouth business coupe anywhere that is restored as a business coupe.
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Posted 2014-03-11 7:57 AM (#430715 - in reply to #429375)
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Just saying that some of these rare cars should be kept stock. I agree with doc. Not all cars have to be pure, but they made 49, 000 Plaza and 55, 000 Savoy post coupes. 2, 800 Business coupes were made, and none are known to survive in original condition. Think about that.


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Posted 2014-03-11 11:34 AM (#430744 - in reply to #430715)
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Given the trade-in culture that was very strong through the fin era, few people kept their cars
more than 3-5 years before the car went to the secondary market.

Now you have a stripper mobile with no back seat ! Who would want THAT ? I would bet good
money that most of those 2,800 business coupes got a back seat stuffed in them from a wrecking
yard car at this point just to market them. From that point forward, it was just another two-door
sedan (with the package shelf equipment removed). So, the chances of an original surviving had
strong odds against it from early on. Strippers did not survive well for similar reasons (not appealing
to used car buyers), but professional, special use cars enjoyed an acute onset of non-desirability
in the original-use condition.

If memory serves, 58 Plazas like mine were built to a number of some 54,000 and change. Hard
to believe, considering how few we see today compared to the sexier models, but it tells a definite
story of how that secondary market worked before fin cars gained acceptance in the collector market.

It took a queer kind of personality to love a stripper. That frugal, almost Rainman kind of Great
Depression survivor kind of person who thought "frill" was ostentatious and embarrassing, yet was
not the type of old car beater that drove them into the ground like most people were. They took an
odd pride is BEING a bare bones kind of person that we rarely see in U.S. society anymore, going to
great lengths to make that spartan mobile last forever as a matter of personal pride. The more out
of style it was the better. It made more of a statement about the frugality of the owner. We don't
grow those kind of people here anymore. Everyone wants sexy and debt, the worst nightmare of
the frugalitarian.
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Posted 2014-03-11 12:13 PM (#430752 - in reply to #429474)
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mstrug - 2014-03-01 5:11 PM

Wow! are you going to put in that 392 Hemi? Marc.


I could be wrong, but that looks like a 1956 354 to me. What is the block number?

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Posted 2014-03-11 4:11 PM (#430776 - in reply to #429375)
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That is a 331 not a 392 sorry for confusion.
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Posted 2014-03-11 4:14 PM (#430777 - in reply to #429375)
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Nothing would be done to this car that couldn't be undone. This cars engine and transmission are long gone anyways. I'm not building it for the people at the car shows just trying to achieve the car I want to drive myself.
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Posted 2014-03-11 4:31 PM (#430779 - in reply to #429375)
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As I mentioned previously, my business coupe was already stripped when I got it. BTW, where is the picture of the backseat area that was posted, I couldn't find it? Without even a picture, I don't even know what to restore it to.
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Posted 2014-03-11 4:55 PM (#430782 - in reply to #429375)
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I don't have a photo myself! It looks just like a car that's seat was removed in mine. Without the fixed windows I would guess it was a sedan!
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Posted 2014-03-11 5:56 PM (#430786 - in reply to #429375)
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My business coupe had no seats or door panels at all!
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Posted 2014-03-11 8:23 PM (#430808 - in reply to #430786)
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How was the back seat separated from the trunk?

Just by that large piece of cardboard that gets attached to the hook-clips, below the parcel shelf (and by the trunk's cross-
bracing support, obviously)?



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Posted 2014-03-12 5:26 AM (#430872 - in reply to #429375)
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Maybe i missed it in the post, but what is the original color?
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Posted 2014-03-12 9:32 AM (#430886 - in reply to #429375)
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Not sure which one of us you are asking, my 58 business coupe is all white (original color) with an old repaint. It does not have the cardboard divider between the trunk and back seat, you can see pics. of mine in members rides under my car.
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Posted 2014-03-12 11:53 AM (#430904 - in reply to #429375)
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I was asking about the OP's car. The pictures look like it is in very faded red paint or maybe it is red oxide primer. I wouldn't associate a business coupe with red, but who knows. I see white inside the left fender headlight bucket though.
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Posted 2014-03-12 2:28 PM (#430914 - in reply to #430904)
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The original color is carnival red the fenders on it came from two different cars at Big M.
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Posted 2014-03-13 8:47 AM (#431016 - in reply to #429375)
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Carnival red is one of the few shades of red I really like. Do you plan to keep the original color?
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Posted 2014-03-13 3:30 PM (#431065 - in reply to #429375)
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Yes I do!
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Posted 2014-03-16 3:51 PM (#431476 - in reply to #429375)
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Posted 2014-03-16 4:04 PM (#431480 - in reply to #429375)
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Here is a pic of a pretty slick 58 Business Coupe.

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Posted 2014-03-16 5:45 PM (#431503 - in reply to #429375)
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Wow that color pops! I love it I think I just did a 180 on the paint!
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Posted 2014-03-17 10:42 AM (#431625 - in reply to #429375)
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Yeah, not too many bright red 58 Plymouths out there... Please, go with the original color.
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Please keep it a '57. Single head lights look way better, IMO.
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Posted 2014-03-17 3:03 PM (#431652 - in reply to #429375)
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Yes it is definitely staying 57. I mounted the engine just to make sure it all fit ok.
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Posted 2014-03-17 9:22 PM (#431719 - in reply to #429375)
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I dropped the engine and tranny in to see how it fit (after torching off some V-8 motor mounts from one of my dad's parts cars) I put it in. Lets just say I need a shoe horn from the shoe salesman who owned the thing!



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Posted 2014-03-18 4:52 AM (#431773 - in reply to #429375)
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That makes my 318 seem very tiny.
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Posted 2014-03-18 8:39 AM (#431784 - in reply to #431773)
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Oh no, not another original Non documented Hemi in a Plymouth thread. LOL Looking like it belongs there.
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Posted 2014-03-18 7:12 PM (#431888 - in reply to #429375)
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She is running! I'll see if I can attach the video.
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Posted 2014-03-18 8:17 PM (#431901 - in reply to #431888)
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http://youtu.be/GdK4e2P0e5g

I put it on youtube.
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Posted 2014-04-12 1:52 PM (#435707 - in reply to #429375)
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Finally got my rockers, doglegs, and the upper quarters for my car! Will be working on that all weekend. Took so long to get here as they sent me 56 pieces the first time around! They are from rocker king I do recommend! Th dog legs are for a four door but I just need to cut out the piece I need.



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Posted 2014-04-20 1:16 PM (#436989 - in reply to #429375)
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The new doglegs and rockers are welded in I think it went okay..

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Posted 2014-04-22 11:49 PM (#437341 - in reply to #429375)
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Other side done. I'm thinking of doing a white top on the car. If this was factory would it be above the drip rails only or the post and all also?



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I think the monotone paint only enhances the coolness of the business coupe. I love
my monotone Plaza for being so NOT two-toned when 99% of late 50's cars got 2 or
more colors. Why be typical ?
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Posted 2014-04-23 11:41 AM (#437405 - in reply to #429375)
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I have time to think about it, but I am not sure about red anymore I really am liking that burgundy and that marine blue! Will be hard to decide! Decisions decisions!



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Posted 2014-04-23 3:50 PM (#437437 - in reply to #429375)
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Posted 2014-04-23 4:01 PM (#437441 - in reply to #429375)
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I mailed my letter to the Chrysler historical yesterday for decoding on the car. Alls i know is that its a detroit car and monotone carnival red from factory. I will attach photos of the body number and vin tag if that helps?



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Posted 2014-04-24 12:11 AM (#437521 - in reply to #429375)
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Working on the driver side rockers an doglegs again today. Coming out good. Now for the part I hate floorplans! Luckily my father is building a rotisserie one man operate so that may help.



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Posted 2014-04-29 7:17 PM (#438515 - in reply to #429375)
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You can see it was never cut for the rear windows to roll down. Not much to report other than I got new motor mounts and tested the engine again.



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Posted 2014-04-29 8:03 PM (#438528 - in reply to #429375)
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Posted 2014-04-29 9:48 PM (#438555 - in reply to #438528)
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I know the doglegs are from a four door. But not sure about the rockers... It would make sense as it does not have the two door seams under the door. It's a bit late now but I can make the seams.

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Posted 2014-04-30 11:44 AM (#438620 - in reply to #437405)
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I have time to think about it, but I am not sure about red anymore I really am liking that burgundy and that marine blue! Will be hard to decide! Decisions decisions!


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Why not Carnival red ? Too much like the Christine clones ?

If it were mine, I'd go with as crazy of a unique, late 50's color as possible (if bailing on
the OEM color), like the coral or the turquoise. For some reason, "cooler" colors seem more
appropriate to me for a professional car than warmer ones like red or coral. Not sure why.

Regardless, if you run doggies and blackwalls, this thing will look awesome and really stand
out as the el Cheapo poster child that it is.
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Posted 2014-04-30 3:10 PM (#438642 - in reply to #429375)
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I plan on running dog dishes with body color wheels and bias ply blackwalls. There are a few local Christine clones.. red never really has appealed to me.
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Posted 2014-04-30 4:22 PM (#438664 - in reply to #429375)
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My 58 business coupe is an original all white car. It appears someone painted it black at one time and then back to all white. I have the same dilemma, what color to paint it. BTW, after an 8,200 mile trip I finally have my car home.
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Posted 2014-05-11 2:18 PM (#440313 - in reply to #429375)
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Not much to report. Removed the rear bumper which came off fairly easy removed the steering column. Waiting on some parts. I think I decided on the color either sky blue or meadow green. Anyone have photos of an original Plaza sedans seats and door panels? I assume the front seat would be the same and I want it to look OEM. Thanks!

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Posted 2014-05-11 2:52 PM (#440316 - in reply to #440313)
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Have you followed along on this thread ?

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Posted 2014-05-11 3:24 PM (#440321 - in reply to #429375)
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I have! I'm waiting to see what your car looks painted to help me decide! I wish my car was full of diseased fun! I still have the crappy Dodge but alls I found was a rotting tampon box.
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Posted 2014-05-12 1:53 AM (#440405 - in reply to #429375)
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Waiting to be got surprised by looking at your car.
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Posted 2014-05-12 2:18 AM (#440407 - in reply to #429375)
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Looks good Please post more photos. I was also wondering have you thought about getting a 1957 Florida licence plate and having it issued to the car?

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Posted 2014-05-12 2:32 AM (#440414 - in reply to #440407)
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Posted 2014-05-12 3:20 PM (#440480 - in reply to #429375)
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Thanks! I haven't really thought much about the plate as I am quite a ways from that.
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Posted 2014-05-13 4:06 PM (#440665 - in reply to #429375)
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I finally got the engine where it needs to be. I never realized it was off center! As for the wheels. Should they be painted body color or factory would they be simply jet black? Thanks

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Posted 2014-05-13 11:21 PM (#440694 - in reply to #440665)
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Not sure about 57, but some 58's had body color, while others had the "new thing for 58" Argent
silver paint. I like the look of body color, so that is how I went. I will check my photos for 57's.
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Posted 2014-05-14 9:35 AM (#440748 - in reply to #440694)
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A lot of '57s I've seen with the small hub caps have argent wheels. I've also seen examples that are body color, and others that are black - though I suppose most of the 'black' wheels I've seen were cars that lost their full wheel covers.

I'm sure an expert will chime in here, but "I think" that the '57 Plymouths built with hub caps had their wheels painted body color at the factory. My wagon had evidence of the original Marina Blue on its wheels. Here are some examples from the 'old pictures' thread.



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Posted 2014-05-14 10:06 AM (#440753 - in reply to #429375)
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And, I believe nearly all V8-powered Mopars had the engine mounted offset around an inch for steering clearance.
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Posted 2014-05-14 3:06 PM (#440773 - in reply to #429375)
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Thanks! I have seen them both ways! I will likely paint them body color. But I wanted to know what was correct.
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Posted 2014-05-14 5:57 PM (#440797 - in reply to #429375)
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Today I got my floorpans and truck pan. I got them off eBay. They don't fit right and were ridiculously overpriced. It's my own fault for rushing into buying them though. I will make them work though.
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Posted 2014-05-18 8:58 PM (#441405 - in reply to #429375)
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Before and after of the trunk pan. Thanks to the little metal working station. 69 year old shear works good. Body hopefully off this week.



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Posted 2014-05-19 1:36 AM (#441428 - in reply to #429375)
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Looks like you got some heat distortion happen there

Try to be patiant when doing the welds (which is hard), just little welds (I do 3/8 at a time) and weld differnt sides, not just one edge.

Before returning to where you were, you should be able to place your hand on the area where you welded and leave it there without burning yourself.

Its a bit of an art (one I am still trying to master), but its possible to do it without hardly any distortion.

A lot of the time is actually due to the metal shrinking when it cools, thets where you have to hammer the welds to stretch the metal back out, which can also be a pain as you need a dolly behind it so you have someting to hit against.

It looks like you have to much metal there though, which, if you want to (its in the boot, I wouldnt bother) you could probably shrink it by spot heating and rapid cooling the metal around the creases and a bit of hammer and dolly work.

This is more for once you start on the exterior panels, getting warpage out on a big slab quarter panel and not have it "oil canning" is a big pain (I am going to have to do the right rear on my plymouth again because I got to excited and warped it to much)

I hope this un asked for advice helps, sorry if you didnt want it

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Posted 2014-05-19 2:42 PM (#441494 - in reply to #429375)
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No, thanks I appreciate the advice. I am learning a lot doing this car. Which is why I started in places cover by carpet so you can't see it!
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Posted 2014-05-19 5:34 PM (#441506 - in reply to #429375)
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Managed to pull these off the "leg" of the door without much damage they were all on top of each other. Two of these have another two still stuck to there bottom. Trying to get one off as I can see that on the bottom is from 58!

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Posted 2014-05-19 8:16 PM (#441532 - in reply to #441506)
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Jones Shell's address doesn't even have a Postal Zone number (which preceded the Zip Codes, from 1964-ish).




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Posted 2014-05-30 12:15 PM (#443015 - in reply to #429375)
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Lucys body is coming off the frame this weekend. Finishing assembly of the rotisserie.
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Posted 2014-05-30 12:38 PM (#443019 - in reply to #429375)
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This just came. Im so glad I could get a heater delete plate! Thanks Mark.



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Posted 2014-05-30 12:44 PM (#443020 - in reply to #429375)
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Posted 2014-06-07 6:20 PM (#444133 - in reply to #429375)
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Body is off. Spins easy.



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Posted 2014-06-07 6:39 PM (#444137 - in reply to #444133)
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Tilt a Whirl and we aren't even at the fair.
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Posted 2014-06-07 6:42 PM (#444139 - in reply to #429375)
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Something kinda scary! I opened the door and when the car jolted onto the rotisserie the vin tag just fell off!
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Posted 2014-06-08 8:58 AM (#444199 - in reply to #429375)
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Neil warned us that the VIN tags some off "scary easy" - guess he was right!

(Now he'll be impossible to live with! )

I really like your rotisserie set up! Now tell, the truth...have you ever got into a car when it was on the rotisserie and gone for a "roll" down the lane?

It's great reading about your car's progress!

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Posted 2014-06-08 9:50 AM (#444204 - in reply to #444199)
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Nice progress Randy!
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Posted 2014-06-08 5:51 PM (#444245 - in reply to #429375)
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Thanks for the nice comments! No Fin Me! But our shop cat, Dodge, Was inside when we tipped it over! Didnt see him! At least now at this point I can say my car turns over!

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Posted 2014-06-08 10:52 PM (#444293 - in reply to #429375)
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Posted 2014-06-10 12:18 AM (#444421 - in reply to #429375)
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Ill do an even trade for that old nasty Desoto of yours! I'll even haul it away no extra charge! haha

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Posted 2014-06-12 2:46 PM (#444844 - in reply to #429375)
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Posted 2014-06-19 7:26 PM (#445788 - in reply to #429375)
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Some progress pics. We handmade the seat supports shown. Inner rockers are in the process now. I also pressure washed the frame. I have been tied up in my little side project (a Philco Predicta).. The parts pile is getting huge. I just hope I labeled good.

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Posted 2014-06-19 7:47 PM (#445791 - in reply to #429375)
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Now is the time to put in a Electric Swivel Seat. You are going to redo your original seat, so now is the time for a COOL upgrade.
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Posted 2014-06-19 8:40 PM (#445800 - in reply to #445791)
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oldwood - 2014-06-19 7:47 PM

Now is the time to put in a Electric Swivel Seat. You are going to redo your original seat, so now is the time for a COOL upgrade.


A swivel seat!? I will trade you a broken 57 Plymouth Tail light and a half eaten snickers..

Seriously would be cool but it seems I would haft to remove the doors anyways to install one.
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Posted 2014-06-19 8:43 PM (#445801 - in reply to #445800)
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Posted 2014-06-19 9:44 PM (#445811 - in reply to #444133)
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Body is off. Spins easy.



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I'm making a hoop rotisserie for my 59 Dodge , could I ask the diameter of your hoops Randy ? I was thinking about 10 foot for mine, would give me about a foot clearance each side on the Dodge's maximum width.

Any pro's / con 's on the hoop rotisserie, anything you would do different ?

I'm thinking about putting the hoops on some rollers so it'll also spin on the spot as well .

Cheers,

Terry.

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Posted 2014-06-19 9:53 PM (#445812 - in reply to #445811)
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Body is off. Spins easy.



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I'm making a hoop rotisserie for my 59 Dodge , could I ask the diameter of your hoops Randy ? I was thinking about 10 foot for mine, would give me about a foot clearance each side on the Dodge's maximum width.

Any pro's / con 's on the hoop rotisserie, anything you would do different ?

I'm thinking about putting the hoops on some rollers so it'll also spin on the spot as well .

Cheers,

Terry.

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Its 90 inches. Its easier as one man by themselves can turn it. I highly recommend it. D-500 Neil I am not on this one. We have a local station the antennae picks up that plays all the 1950s sitcoms. So I just think its cool to have all original. Its a princess model. I inquired on the color reproductions to have as a regular television but they discontinued them.
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Posted 2014-06-20 12:19 PM (#445866 - in reply to #429375)
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I don't believe there is a problem installing a swivel in any of our FL cars, but I'm sure others would know for sure. It was just a thought since your doing a major restoration.

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Posted 2014-06-20 1:22 PM (#445869 - in reply to #445866)
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Thank you. But the plan for this car is the ultimate restored stripper. Heater delete, radio delete, blackwalls and body color wheels, it wont even have a rear seat.
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Posted 2014-06-20 2:20 PM (#445872 - in reply to #429375)
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Posted 2014-06-20 2:36 PM (#445874 - in reply to #429375)
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Just Swedish ancestry here... but Volvo means "I roll" supposedly. Great cars up to 1993. After that, not so much imho, had a bunch of pre-93s, 122, 140, 240.

Great job on the rotisserie!
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Posted 2014-06-20 5:49 PM (#445901 - in reply to #429375)
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Posted 2014-06-21 12:17 PM (#445971 - in reply to #445869)
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Thank you. But the plan for this car is the ultimate restored stripper. Heater delete, radio delete, blackwalls and body color wheels, it wont even have a rear seat. :)


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I am glad to hear you say this. Will you go with an original engine, or is the 331 still the plan ?

I recently stumbled on this car in a parking lot, and although a TOTALLY different type of car, it
is SO refreshing to see one that IS NOT painted brilliant yellow, green, or red, with a big hood scoop,
stupid wheels and oversized tires, and runs on a 502 crate engine. Just a quietly modest original
car that screams louder than any of that ridiculous overdosed bling to anyone with a little taste.





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Posted 2014-06-21 12:57 PM (#445982 - in reply to #445971)
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Doctor DeSoto - 2014-06-21 12:17 PM

The Chrysler Kid - 2014-06-21 10:22 AM

Thank you. But the plan for this car is the ultimate restored stripper. Heater delete, radio delete, blackwalls and body color wheels, it wont even have a rear seat. :)


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I am glad to hear you say this. Will you go with an original engine, or is the 331 still the plan ?

I recently stumbled on this car in a parking lot, and although a TOTALLY different type of car, it
is SO refreshing to see one that IS NOT painted brilliant yellow, green, or red, with a big hood scoop,
stupid wheels and oversized tires, and runs on a 502 crate engine. Just a quietly modest original
car that screams louder than any of that ridiculous overdosed bling to anyone with a little taste.




That is this first photo of a Camero I have ever seen with its factory wheels and colors. At this time it will either be the 331 or a 57 Dodge 325. The original engine in this car was removed by the previous owner. However when the good is closed it will look 100% factory. Even found factory correct seat material. Still thinking how to do the rear seat area without it looking odd so to say. I guess I'll make some type of floor shelf. All that came with the car when I got it regarding to the no rear seat is a curtain that covered the hole.

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Posted 2014-06-21 4:31 PM (#445997 - in reply to #445982)
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And so far, you've seen, what .... 9,152 Cameros, right ? Pretty amazing, isn't it ? !!!

What was your OEM engine type ?

The one and only, never disturbed, original business coupe I ever saw was a 59 Chevy and it
had a flat "shelf" thing built just high enough to clear the hump. I *think* it was steel construction,
but stuff like this was often plywood from the factory. It had a rubber mat material over it, if
memory serves, but I am getting a little fuzzy on that. I am pretty sure the "curtain" back was
the same typical non-corrugated cardboard Detroit used a lot at the time for rear glass package
shelf liners and painted to match.

SMS has your seat material, as well as door panels. I got mine from them and they are beautiful.

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Posted 2014-06-21 5:58 PM (#445998 - in reply to #445997)
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Doctor DeSoto - 2014-06-21 4:31 PM

And so far, you've seen, what .... 9,152 Cameros, right ? Pretty amazing, isn't it ? !!!

What was your OEM engine type ?

The one and only, never disturbed, original business coupe I ever saw was a 59 Chevy and it
had a flat "shelf" thing built just high enough to clear the hump. I *think* it was steel construction,
but stuff like this was often plywood from the factory. It had a rubber mat material over it, if
memory serves, but I am getting a little fuzzy on that. I am pretty sure the "curtain" back was
the same typical non-corrugated cardboard Detroit used a lot at the time for rear glass package
shelf liners and painted to match.

SMS has your seat material, as well as door panels. I got mine from them and they are beautiful.



Originally this was a 6 cylinder car with three speed manual. Thank you for that description. I figure I can make up something that looks factory. Ill look into them!
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Posted 2014-06-21 6:35 PM (#446003 - in reply to #445998)
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The car that inspired me to ultimately hunt down and restore a Plaza was a same color, monotone
Misty Green sixer with a 3-speed manual than had been modified with an early 60's aftermarket floor
shifter. My head was in a very different space back then, and rather than try to buy the car or save
all the stripper detail parts, the only thing I picked off it (wrecking yard car) was the shifter.

I would prefer to not drive a stock 3-speed tranny, as it has no synchro to first, making any sort
of heavy traffic driving a pain, but I would nix the idea completely if I were stuck with a column
shift. Just do not like driving them !

But some here have expressed that the little six banger can do alright and be fun to drive. I have
no experience with them though. Part of that "head in a very different place" thing ....


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Posted 2014-06-21 9:47 PM (#446015 - in reply to #429375)
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I bought a 55 Plymouth 6 cyl. 3 speed from my sister and drove the wheels off it and it did very well, of course I wanted a V-8. My 58 business coupe had no interior at all in it so I don't know what was original.
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Posted 2014-06-21 9:52 PM (#446016 - in reply to #429375)
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This is getting a "period" 4 speed on the floor. I want it to look almost all like a business mans car but still be fun to drive. Hopefully there will be two biz coupes without backseats still around than.
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Posted 2014-06-22 2:13 AM (#446034 - in reply to #446016)
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I will use the 1960 floor shifter, coupled to a modern 5-speed (to create a 4-speed w/ OD)
to get that period appearance in the cab on the DeSoto. I own an A-833 shifted 66 Coronet
and it is no smooth operator, even being as "modern" as it is.

I want that manual tranny, but will have to sacrifice a little authenticity to make it what I want,
... so I "get" what you are saying. The Plaza, being SO unmolested and original, will only have
a couple minor mods done to it. O/W, it will be bone stock.
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Posted 2014-06-22 10:02 AM (#446059 - in reply to #429375)
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Mine will also have a 4 speed in it but I am using the overdrive version of the 833. I cannot verify but I believe my car was used for racing, the interior was stripped, holes in the floor for a shifter, aftermarket steering wheel.
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Posted 2014-06-22 1:39 PM (#446083 - in reply to #446059)
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The 833 is a very "mechanical" shifter with lots of bumping around in the pattern to find
your gears. I am unfamiliar with current offerings, such as Richmond Gears and Tremec,
but it is my hope that they shift more smoothly like a modern car. For the kind of money
they are asking, they should !
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Posted 2014-06-22 1:51 PM (#446086 - in reply to #446083)
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Seems it would make since to by the cheapest two door available for a race car. Very cool Doc Desoto! Can't wait to see a Fireflite convertible with that! Did Desotos have a delete plate for the push buttons? I just realized I have never seen a 57-58 Desoto that was three speed on the column.
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Posted 2014-06-22 1:52 PM (#446087 - in reply to #429375)
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Posted 2014-06-22 2:41 PM (#446098 - in reply to #446086)
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The Chrysler Kid - 2014-06-23 10:51 AM

Seems it would make since to by the cheapest two door available for a race car. Very cool Doc Desoto! Can't wait to see a Fireflite convertible with that! Did Desotos have a delete plate for the push buttons? I just realized I have never seen a 57-58 Desoto that was three speed on the column.


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Most race cars fell into such a life by default as 10-year-old beaters. I would not read
much into the race car bit without someone actually saying "This car was bought new to
be specifically used as a racer".

Yes, DeSoto had a block off plate, done in a matching material to the instrument cluster
background.

Even when new, VERY few DeSotos were ordered up with a manual .... even the Dodge/
Firesweep el cheapos. One of my "regret" cars was passing on a rustbucket 57 Firedome
ragtop with stick. What a weirdo that was ! I have prolly only seen 3-4 stick DeSotos in my
life (57-58, that is) and I have not seen one in at least 20 years. I imagine they all got crushed
or parted. No one wanted el cheapo / strippers until 5 years ago.
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Posted 2014-06-22 3:13 PM (#446102 - in reply to #446098)
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Now I have seen a 59 Firedome four door sedan with a three on the tree. Makes you wonder why someone would by an option less big body Desoto convertible. I guess they just had to have one..
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Posted 2014-06-22 3:55 PM (#446110 - in reply to #446102)
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If memory serves, it was a monotone aqua car with white top, body colored wheels and dog dishies.
It had no sweep, just the straight bar of side trim, with a base 341 2bbl and the stick. It was truly FUBAR
in every regard. The body was collapsing over the frame, the interior had been open to the elements
for decades in PA. It was a mess !

But there it was ! Ready for some overzealous fool to fling themselves headlong into a money pit. But
boy, was it cool. Wish I had realized how cool at the time. Asking price was $1000.
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Posted 2014-06-22 4:01 PM (#446112 - in reply to #446110)
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$1000?!?!??! Oh why couldn't I have been born earlier!:)
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Posted 2014-06-22 7:29 PM (#446140 - in reply to #446112)
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In the late 80's and early 90's, rustbucket ragtop Forward Looks were coming out of the woodwork for
about 1 - 1.5K. Before that, it was difficult to find them because the entire "hobby" was "Chevy-centric"
and they just weren't being passed over by everyone as not worth the time to haul out and offer for sale.

I paid $500 for my 58 Adventurer ragtop. $1500 each for a pair of 58 Firesweeps. Passed on twice that
many that were too far gone or missing key parts.

We all know what happened by the mid-90's, and it's only gotten worse since.

Guys on this site used to bellyache about how "unappreciated" Forward Looks were, joyfully praising the
work of Barrett-Jackson in "bringing values up". Well, that sword cuts both ways, and now many guys who
are only into these for their love of the cars are priced right out of the game. On the upside, it caused an
unintended backlash of interest in sedans, wagons, and stripper models that before were only considered
parts cars for the sexier models.
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Posted 2014-06-22 10:13 PM (#446188 - in reply to #429375)
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I sold my 58 Fury in 1973 for $400. It was a nice looking and driving car but not the original engine at that time, 383 and 3 speed on the floor.
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Posted 2014-06-23 7:05 PM (#446299 - in reply to #429375)
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Randy, dunno if you saw a thread-message, elsewhere, recently, but the 3-dimensional OEM-looking undercoating effect
on both sides of the floor pans can be very nicely replicated by applying Herculiner bed-liner material:

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Posted 2014-06-23 7:28 PM (#446305 - in reply to #429375)
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That's exactly what I was gonna do! Thanks!


Today I learned two things about my car..

1. It was parked in 1963 for the broken leaf spring. They never did anything with it because it was just a used car when they put it in the barn.
2. This wasn't the original owners main car. He bought for the "sole" purpose of use for his business. He was a shoe salesman.
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Posted 2014-06-23 7:57 PM (#446308 - in reply to #446305)
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And, what did he do without a back seat in the car?

Bright-shiny (gloss-black painted) Herculiner should look like the above, and, even if the rear of your car's interior is left "unfinished/as-built",
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Posted 2014-06-23 8:23 PM (#446315 - in reply to #429375)
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I assume it was just used as storage. Maybe it was just cheaper. Maybe there were more than one for his business? I dont know. Im going to try and replicate what Doctor Desoto described with the "shelf" if I can manage. If not it will be left as it came with just no back seat. Thanks. I appreciate the tips.
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Posted 2014-06-24 9:53 AM (#446396 - in reply to #429375)
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Doc, you are right, I don't think my business coupe was "ordered" as a racer even though it came with a V-8 3 speed and everything else deleted. I think it "became" a racer because someone even torched the front motor mounts off the cross member when they were done with it. Who does that? It also has 2 holes cut in the trans. tunnel as if for 2 different types of shifters. Hey Kid, I don't remember, did yours have a back seat or not?
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Posted 2014-06-24 10:25 AM (#446406 - in reply to #446396)
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No back seat in mine. If had one its long gone now.
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Posted 2014-06-24 3:32 PM (#446434 - in reply to #429375)
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And, you thought that Plymouth had the most luxurious Business Coupe, huh?






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Posted 2014-06-24 3:36 PM (#446435 - in reply to #429375)
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Randy, you still don't have a copy of your ride's IBM build card?


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Posted 2014-06-24 3:39 PM (#446437 - in reply to #429375)
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Not yet. That thing is wild! Does it have a back seat bar for rest stops too?
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Posted 2014-06-24 4:59 PM (#446447 - in reply to #429375)
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Wow; got out The Packard Story (haven't looked at it in a while), and learned that the 24th Series car/body was introduced in March
1951.

Nothing was said in it about the availability of a Business Coupe (model 200), but, an intraweb search for 1951 Packard Business Coupe
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Posted 2014-06-25 6:44 PM (#446653 - in reply to #429375)
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Little things done tonight. The new seat supports are in. Welded up a hole in the trunk. We also made the seam, where the trunk metal was replaced.



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Posted 2014-06-25 8:35 PM (#446672 - in reply to #429375)
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Randy, what are you welding with?

It looks like gasless mig?

If your welder can take it, see if you can get a bottle of gas and a regulator and have a try with gas.

I started off using gasless wire, but after trying gas, its like chalk and cheese, much nicer and easier

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Posted 2014-06-27 5:11 PM (#446916 - in reply to #429375)
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Congrats on your Dream car. I know the feeling well of what it takes to make an old car new again. My car (like yours) was a dream project that has taken years to complete. Hopefully, I can get the car finished in time for the 4th of July. I let my car sit for close to 8yrs while I was playing overseas and after a hard year of work the car is almost back in driving shape. Right now, I am on the hunt to find a power steering gearbox for my 58 Plymouth so if you run into anyone who has one give me a shout on email. Have fun and hope to see some photos of the car when its fully restored. Greg



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Posted 2014-06-27 5:51 PM (#446923 - in reply to #446916)
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Ttotired: Yes. I'll give it a try thanks for the tip.



Derest: That's a nice Plaza and thanks! Have you done a thread yet would love to see more pics! What do you call that color?

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Posted 2014-06-27 9:39 PM (#446964 - in reply to #429375)
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Mathew Keij is visiting, and while perusing 40 Years of Stock Car Racing (Vol1), noticed this car,
driven by Johhny Allen, and owned by Spook Crawford.

And, ever seen TWO Business Coupes, at Work...business was OK.

In the second photo (at 1957 Daytona Beach race) car #90 was driven by Don Oldenberg (owned
by Osiecki racing)...

#505, driven by Charlie Cregar, was owned by himself.

At Daytona 57, Cregar finished 10th, Oldenberg finished 14th, and Allen ended up 17th....out of
57 starters.

There were NINE 1957 Plymouths, at work, at Daytona that day (2/17/57).

Worst result was #54, driven by Al Tasnady, who crashed-out at/on some unconfirmed-lap, but
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Posted 2014-06-28 2:54 PM (#447018 - in reply to #446964)
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Wow! Thanks for those pics that is very cool! I love having photos of them! I wish they were still here!
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Posted 2014-07-22 6:29 PM (#450085 - in reply to #429375)
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My rust free quarters arrived today. One passenger and one drivers side. If anyone is interested I will be selling the rust free drivers side which is the last two pics. I need to get some photos as the front floorpans are now in.



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Posted 2014-07-22 7:40 PM (#450097 - in reply to #429375)
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Even though it's a Ford! I have never seen a business coupe this late. So here's another late biz coupe.

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Posted 2014-07-23 10:22 AM (#450180 - in reply to #429375)
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Posted 2014-07-23 7:30 PM (#450249 - in reply to #429375)
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Looks like it's going to be a good fit.



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Posted 2014-07-27 12:39 PM (#450608 - in reply to #429375)
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More metal work. I also went to take some photos of my friends Savoy so I can see how the complete panels look when they are correct.



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Posted 2014-07-27 12:41 PM (#450609 - in reply to #429375)
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Anyone know if these mats are original? They came with the car.



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Posted 2014-07-27 12:49 PM (#450610 - in reply to #450609)
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Here is a mat that I just pulled out of my '59 Dodge. I don't know how old it is. I'm not sure of yours.



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Posted 2014-07-27 1:15 PM (#450612 - in reply to #429375)
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The mat you have is vinyl, the originals were rubber with Forward Look logos.

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Posted 2014-07-27 2:09 PM (#450616 - in reply to #450612)
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Big M probably has a closet full of the originals. LOL So my "Mopar Mat" is not original but it looks old,sorta like me!!!
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Posted 2014-07-27 2:24 PM (#450619 - in reply to #429375)
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I like it. It's very neat with its starbursts. Wonder where it can from. Here is my "rust free" quarter I got. From nothing there to complete.



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Posted 2014-07-27 2:34 PM (#450620 - in reply to #450619)
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If a hurricane comes your way Come on up to Arkansas and I'll let you show me how to use my new Millermatic 211 Auto.
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Posted 2014-07-28 7:31 PM (#450798 - in reply to #429375)
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All new metal. Coming a long great. I am pretty sure it's getting painted silver charcoal. I think the quarter came out great. Almost ready to work on the floors.



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Posted 2014-07-31 1:09 AM (#451065 - in reply to #429375)
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"The Chrysler Kid"- would you be willing to sell your floor mat if you're not going to re use it?
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Posted 2014-07-31 3:20 PM (#451135 - in reply to #429375)
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No, I am definitely going to use it. I like it too much!
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Posted 2014-07-31 7:15 PM (#451160 - in reply to #429375)
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Alls that's left now are the floorpans!



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Posted 2014-07-31 9:47 PM (#451182 - in reply to #429375)
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Randy, here's a 1950(?) Plymouth Business Coupe that was 4-sale at Hot August nites...

Notice its full complement of gauges, and wood-grained dashboard!!

Dunno if its interior is OEM, though; probably fabric, like the door panels.







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Posted 2014-08-01 12:20 PM (#451252 - in reply to #451182)
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d500neil - 2014-07-31 9:47 PM

Randy, here's a 1950(?) Plymouth Business Coupe that was 4-sale at Hot August nites...

Notice its full complement of gauges, and wood-grained dashboard!!

Dunno if its interior is OEM, though; probably fabric, like the door panels.







Gorgeous. I got another vivid description of a late model business coupe. A guy who had a 59 Plymouth in the late 60s as his work car described an upholstered cardboard piece that matched the interior, covering the hole into the trunk, with a low metal shelf screwed to the floor. Again, no one has any photos.

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Posted 2014-08-01 6:59 PM (#451317 - in reply to #429375)
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That sounds like a version of the wimpy station wagon rear wheelhouse cover panels, or the ditto tail gate "Masonite"
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Posted 2014-08-09 4:03 PM (#452247 - in reply to #429375)
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No longer have a passenger side floor vent. I also found a book of matches in the door. Odd place.



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Posted 2014-08-23 4:32 PM (#454011 - in reply to #429375)
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Metal work is practically done! She goes to the body shop for prep and paint the first week of September!



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Posted 2014-10-13 9:07 AM (#459016 - in reply to #429375)
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The question of what the rear seat should look like has been answered! This all original Plymouth Business coupe shows the original rear seat area. I'm going to post some update photos tomorrow. Just neat to see this car has surfaced.

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Posted 2014-10-13 11:46 AM (#459030 - in reply to #429375)
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Posted 2014-10-13 6:20 PM (#459082 - in reply to #429375)
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The new trunk gutter.



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Posted 2014-10-13 11:38 PM (#459146 - in reply to #459016)
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The Chrysler Kid - 2014-10-13 9:07 AM

The question of what the rear seat should look like has been answered! This all original Plymouth Business coupe shows the original rear seat area. I'm going to post some update photos tomorrow. Just neat to see this car has surfaced.
Nice metal work, any more information on the business coupe that surfaced ?
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Posted 2014-10-17 6:46 AM (#459501 - in reply to #429375)
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Randy, I don't mean to infect your thread with other makes, but Neil already did with that Packard.

There is a 1959 Chebby Biscayne business coupe on eBay right now, with some very good photos of the rear-seat 'delete'.
Apparently, Chebby used some sort of shelf with a rubber mat, as seen in the last photo.
It's a very cool car, if you're into the Chebby scene!

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Chevrolet-Other-2-door-Utility-sedan-1959-c...

Pete



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Posted 2014-10-17 4:18 PM (#459546 - in reply to #429375)
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I appreciate you posting it, as I don't look at Chevys in my searches. I'm looking for ideas like this for the rear seat area. As soon as I can get photos onto an actual computer I will post paint updates!
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Posted 2014-10-23 6:46 PM (#460052 - in reply to #429375)
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So. I was digging around and found this back panel. Didn't know we had it! Along with the original door panels!



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Posted 2014-10-23 11:22 PM (#460075 - in reply to #446435)
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That 59 is exactly how I remember the 59 that I saw looking like. The sides were pretty unremarkable ...
... like bare door panels and a fiberboard back piece. What stood out was that raised shelf that brought the
floor up above the driveline hump to create a large, flat area for storage/hauling.

The Plymouth photo without this bottom look reworked. Those buttons don't look factory to my eyes.
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Posted 2014-11-04 8:15 PM (#461037 - in reply to #429375)
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Now the fun starts! One gas stop on the way to paint and it already got called a '57 Chevy!



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Posted 2014-11-04 8:42 PM (#461038 - in reply to #461037)
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LOL; they screwed up the "OK Paint" stamping!

('Unfortunately', that 57 Business Coupe has aftermarket---apparently---upholstery installed in it. Is the rear
seat area OEM, or is it re-upholstered, too?)




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Posted 2014-11-04 8:49 PM (#461039 - in reply to #461038)
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That's Chyslers in '57 for you. I flipped the photo it is upside down. The interior is completely new incorrect fabric. Not sure if we will re-do it or not.

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Posted 2014-11-04 8:56 PM (#461040 - in reply to #429375)
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Those fasteners look like pop-rivets, which were not available, or not used, in 1957?


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Posted 2014-11-04 9:07 PM (#461041 - in reply to #461040)
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That looks like a NEW state/county fair ride.
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Posted 2014-12-03 5:38 PM (#463502 - in reply to #429375)
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So the carbs and manifold came. Just waiting on the air cleaners! I think this will make a lovely table centerpiece until it comes time for the engine work?



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Posted 2014-12-03 8:53 PM (#463520 - in reply to #429375)
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Sweet!
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Posted 2014-12-03 9:25 PM (#463526 - in reply to #463520)
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JT, didn't you have a '61 Dodge that you had built
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Posted 2014-12-21 12:28 PM (#465424 - in reply to #429375)
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Frame painted!



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Posted 2015-01-12 9:28 PM (#467413 - in reply to #429375)
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New leaf springs! We came in with two sets and they made one good one. Tampa springs, highly recommend them. Also a teaser pic of the body.



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Posted 2015-01-12 9:32 PM (#467416 - in reply to #467413)
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Also everything is at the upholstery shop. We are doing black and white interior. The top white 'bar' that is on the door panels will carry all the way around.
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Posted 2015-01-12 9:37 PM (#467422 - in reply to #429375)
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Great work! Car is going to look good! Its nice to see step by step all the work put into a car.
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Posted 2015-01-18 7:18 PM (#467990 - in reply to #429375)
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Complete new front suspension. Installing 3" rear brake drums with emergency brakes. The new Bermbaum rubbers fit well.



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Posted 2015-01-29 6:34 PM (#468917 - in reply to #429375)
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Front discs! If you need anything for a disc conversion on a forward look e-mail Charlie at olddaddy@rustyhope.com!




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Posted 2015-02-14 4:58 PM (#470074 - in reply to #429375)
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The power steering we got from Johnny G. Now rebuilt. Note the factory high tech adjustment system.



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Posted 2015-02-28 8:19 PM (#471256 - in reply to #429375)
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All new interior. Dash redone, all new door panels, and front and back seat. Wheels coming soon. Going up to a 15".



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Posted 2015-02-28 8:30 PM (#471258 - in reply to #471256)
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Oh, and thanks to the member RichBo for the power steering pump! One year ago today this thread was started!!!

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Posted 2015-03-10 6:31 PM (#472166 - in reply to #429375)
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Finally getting some paint on next week! Body work almost complete and it is laser straight! Engine goodies coming this week. We now have a rolling chassis. All that we need to do now is finish up the engine. Can anyone put me on a good business that reproduces the oval air cleaners? In steel..



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Posted 2015-03-19 3:39 PM (#472890 - in reply to #429375)
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Undercoating before and after. We are finally going to get some paint on this car TONIGHT.



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Posted 2015-03-19 5:00 PM (#472895 - in reply to #429375)
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Its very satisfying when you can finally start putting stuff (like paint) back on

Who kicked the paint tin over

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Posted 2015-03-23 5:25 PM (#473239 - in reply to #429375)
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I know what you mean! Here are the new brake and fuel lines. From inline tube! Highly reccomend. pictures of the body coming soon.



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Posted 2015-03-30 9:03 PM (#473910 - in reply to #429375)
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Posted 2015-03-30 11:22 PM (#473921 - in reply to #429375)
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WOW!!!!! that's ganna be mint,
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Posted 2015-03-31 1:18 AM (#473933 - in reply to #473910)
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HOUSTON WE HAVE PAINT! What do y'all think?


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I think it will look great if you go with blackwalls and dog dishies. If you go for bling wheels
or ?, it will look like every other modified hotrod.
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Posted 2015-03-31 7:45 AM (#473944 - in reply to #429375)
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Oh Yeah! that is looking great. Cant wait to see your finished product.

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Posted 2015-03-31 10:27 AM (#473954 - in reply to #473944)
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Thanks guys! Doctor DeSoto, as my friend said yesterday "Start saving your pennies now, as you will need two sets of wheels...

Both will be painted black with dog dishes, but one will be blackwall bias plys, while the other will be the skinny white wall Coker radials that are meant to look like bias tires. For driving, and changing up the look..."
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Posted 2015-03-31 11:37 AM (#473962 - in reply to #429375)
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Looks great, Randy!!
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Posted 2015-03-31 12:20 PM (#473970 - in reply to #429375)
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Thanks Big M! Thanks again to mstrug too.



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Posted 2015-03-31 12:51 PM (#473974 - in reply to #429375)
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You Welcome! Love the Paint. Great fix on that Heater delete panel! Marc. P.S. Did you ever get a heater delete dash trim? Might have something you could use...Marc S.
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Posted 2015-03-31 12:54 PM (#473975 - in reply to #473974)
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No, shoot me a PM. Anything you have I'm sure we can make a deal. Thanks.
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Posted 2015-03-31 1:20 PM (#473979 - in reply to #429375)
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Is that the color you are painting it ?
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Posted 2015-03-31 1:35 PM (#473980 - in reply to #473979)
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Yes ma'am. Monotone black.
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Posted 2015-03-31 7:37 PM (#474019 - in reply to #429375)
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randy whats the brand name on that paint, iv got a 60 savoy, almost a business coupe, iv been thinking hard about changing to all black, thanks



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Posted 2015-03-31 10:31 PM (#474052 - in reply to #429375)
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Gonna be nasty cool all black. Just say no to the coker tires though. They are junk
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Posted 2015-03-31 11:14 PM (#474055 - in reply to #474019)
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randy whats the brand name on that paint, iv got a 60 savoy, almost a business coupe, iv been thinking hard about changing to all black, thanks


It's onyx black. I can get you an exact brand and code tomorrow.
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Posted 2015-04-01 7:43 PM (#474116 - in reply to #429375)
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Back home. I have a nice 1957 Chevrolet/1959 Cadillac according to the guys at the gas station.

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Posted 2015-04-01 8:20 PM (#474119 - in reply to #429375)
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Love it

Have you thought about A/C yet, thats going to get hot in there

My plymouth might end up black yet, dunno

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Posted 2015-04-01 8:25 PM (#474120 - in reply to #474119)
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Yes! We are doing the vintage air unit. Hidden under the dash. Could you imagine a Florida summer in an all black car with fixed rear windows and those tiny vent windows? Any car can look good in black but your curvaceous '60 would look great!

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Posted 2015-04-02 4:30 AM (#474141 - in reply to #429375)
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You should get your self a 1957 Florida License plate and have it issued to the car. All you need to go is get a copy of the registration proof of insurance the 1957 Florida tag and send it to DMV to Tallahassee and within 30 days it will come back with a sticker but it needs to be sent certified return receipt
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Window tint will solve that problem after my current '61 fury is restored its going to the tint shop and mine has added on AC
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Posted 2015-04-05 4:26 PM (#474449 - in reply to #429375)
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Happy Easter! And thank Jesus this isn't one of those fancy smancy Belvederes. Back from the chrome shop. With the three pieces of chrome this car has!



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Yes, I have similarly large chrome cost problems with my low life Plaza. Are you putting the
lower rub strip stainless on the car (can't remember if it had that trim or not) ? Without,it will
be awesomely bare and so NOT a typical fancy model that everyone else clamors for. Love it !
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Posted 2015-04-05 6:04 PM (#474457 - in reply to #429375)
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No, it didn't have it originally. We are converting it to a heater delete too. (Thanks mstrug.) It will also have rubber floors, no carpet. I believe that would be considered bare bones! With the true Plaza spirit! (When the hoods closed.) Thanks!
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I got an NOS rubber floor mat set for my Plaza too. My car had the rub strip,
but I removed it. The grille V will give away that it has a V-8, but otherwise it
will look very bare bones until the hood is lifted or they see the deluxe steering
wheel. But all that is how the car was built, so I am good with that. What matters
is monotone green paint, no side trim, body color wheels, dog dishies, and blackwalls.
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Posted 2015-04-12 4:34 PM (#475233 - in reply to #429375)
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Plaza on the outside, New Yorker under the hood.



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Posted 2015-04-16 1:27 PM (#475682 - in reply to #429375)
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looks more like Chrysler 300 to me. Nice work, keep it coming.
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Posted 2015-04-18 11:32 PM (#475928 - in reply to #429375)
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I can't believe it but we both painted our sedans black on the same day. There has to be something to that. Yours is going to look great!
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Posted 2015-04-19 9:20 AM (#475956 - in reply to #429375)
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You can't go wrong with a 1957 Black Hemi 2dr. Looooookin Gooood!!!
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Posted 2015-04-19 10:59 AM (#475966 - in reply to #429375)
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Than for the nice comments you guys! Now she sits.



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Posted 2015-04-23 12:41 PM (#476425 - in reply to #429375)
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Amazing!!!
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Posted 2015-04-23 12:47 PM (#476427 - in reply to #429375)
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Oh man, I have nos plaza emblems... Cant find a buyer! Those are to shiny
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Posted 2015-04-24 2:15 PM (#476515 - in reply to #476427)
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Even though this motor is obviously a transplant, I think it would look better if you dress it up as if it had been transplanted in 1957. That means ditching the chrome covers, aftermarket timing cover, chevy water pump and painting the motor silver. If you plan to run 300 air cleaners, you could go with gold covers and cleaners or just do silver/black. Just my opinion. I initially went full throttle aftermarket with the 392 transplant for my '56 Plymouth, but I have since come to realize that it ruins the nostalgic aspect of it all. So I am re-doing the whole scheme to make it all look late 50's as much as possible.

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Posted 2015-04-27 1:57 AM (#476748 - in reply to #429375)
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Posted 2015-04-27 8:07 PM (#476796 - in reply to #476748)
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Powerflite - 2015-04-24 2:15 PM

Even though this motor is obviously a transplant, I think it would look better if you dress it up as if it had been transplanted in 1957. That means ditching the chrome covers, aftermarket timing cover, chevy water pump and painting the motor silver. If you plan to run 300 air cleaners, you could go with gold covers and cleaners or just do silver/black. Just my opinion. I initially went full throttle aftermarket with the 392 transplant for my '56 Plymouth, but I have since come to realize that it ruins the nostalgic aspect of it all. So I am re-doing the whole scheme to make it all look late 50's as much as possible.


I understand what you mean, but I like the chrome covers and black engine much better. It will have chrome oval air cleaners as well.

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That (above...), but, also: how did you create or configure the driver's side exhaust manifold's plumbing, to avoid its contacting
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We transplanted the motor mounts as well with the engine. It just fit. We never ran into the problem.
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Randy(s): did you have to make any modifications to the engine (manifolds, etc.) to fit the
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Maybe the 'trick' is to assemble and mount the engine to the frame, before assembling and mounting
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Posted 2015-05-10 7:16 AM (#477885 - in reply to #429375)
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Wonderful Thread this is, keep up the good work! Your taste in cars are exeptionally good !
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Posted 2015-05-10 10:53 AM (#477902 - in reply to #476817)
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d500neil - 2015-04-28 1:54 AM

Randy(s): did you have to make any modifications to the engine (manifolds, etc.) to fit the
engine to the car's frame?

Maybe the 'trick' is to assemble and mount the engine to the frame, before assembling and mounting
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Or, is the engine, now, slightly re-positioned onto the car's frame?





No, no modifications were made.



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Posted 2015-05-31 6:55 PM (#479983 - in reply to #429375)
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She is running! Won't be long until the body goes on now..

Video of her running: http://youtu.be/eyf45jFTNTE
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Posted 2015-05-31 10:55 PM (#480010 - in reply to #429375)
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good job, looks good, I see your selling the 57 monster , good idea , 4 doors are for the old farts, he he what is the other car u bought instead
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Posted 2015-06-07 7:43 PM (#480731 - in reply to #429375)
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Trans back together. Body will be going back on next weekend!



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Posted 2015-06-08 11:27 AM (#480797 - in reply to #480731)
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That looks like fun. How much of the original clutch linkage are you able to use?
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Posted 2015-06-08 8:46 PM (#480868 - in reply to #480797)
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Looks awesome! I plan on painting my 57 Belvedere sedan black with white sport tone. I love red but there are so many red FL Plymouths that I think black is the next best think. Very formal.
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Posted 2015-06-11 8:48 PM (#481178 - in reply to #429375)
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Good for you. As long as you're paying the bill, doing the work, and living with the result, you should have the sovereignty to do as you please. The whole idea of resurrecting an old derelict of a car is to enhance your own personal happiness. I tried the route of "keeping it all original just because" with a 41 Chrysler Windsor Limo and ended up selling it unfinished.
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Posted 2015-06-14 3:02 PM (#481476 - in reply to #429375)
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Body is back on the frame!!!



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Posted 2015-06-14 5:55 PM (#481499 - in reply to #429375)
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Posted 2015-06-15 10:51 AM (#481573 - in reply to #429375)
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nice, that's not base clear correct? enamel? looks great
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Posted 2015-06-15 10:54 AM (#481574 - in reply to #481499)
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You'll be driving it next week



On milk crates yes! Can't wait to go see the neighbors with it!

196061Savoy, correct it still needs sanded and cleared. We wanted to get the body on first to avoid any damage to the paint.

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Posted 2015-06-16 3:32 PM (#481700 - in reply to #429375)
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Mucho de Goodo, Randy! Lookin' sweet!

Wish you could bring her up to Carlisle! Hopefully I'll see you there, anyways!
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Posted 2015-06-16 3:34 PM (#481702 - in reply to #481700)
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SavoyPlaza - 2015-06-16 3:32 PM

Mucho de Goodo, Randy! Lookin' sweet!

Wish you could bring her up to Carlisle! Hopefully I'll see you there, anyways!
Pete


Thanks! She will be there in 2016! Hope to see you there too..
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Posted 2015-07-14 3:01 PM (#484470 - in reply to #429375)
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Posted 2015-07-14 8:06 PM (#484500 - in reply to #429375)
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Thanks.

She'll be wearing these beauties we found at Carisle.



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Posted 2015-07-14 8:58 PM (#484506 - in reply to #429375)
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Great find, Randy! That car will look fantastic!
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Nice! You beat me to them then.

Can't wait to see pics of the car finished
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Didn't realized that the black color was that nice since I saw it for real at Carlisle!
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And when i saw your pic of those air filter box, i knew i saw it before, then i realized
that is was you Randy! Lol

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Posted 2015-07-20 8:33 PM (#484985 - in reply to #484724)
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And when i saw your pic of those air filter box, i knew i saw it before, then i realized
that is was you Randy! Lol



Haha, is that you Remi?


Brake booster is now in and the body is all bolted down. Also got some original key blanks and had them cut for the car.
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Posted 2015-08-03 6:35 PM (#486168 - in reply to #429375)
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Clutch linkage is hooked up. Ordered weatherstripping and a wiring harness. Not much to report lately but it's getting there..

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Posted 2015-09-22 5:28 PM (#490351 - in reply to #429375)
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Front drive system is all together, finally. A little complex, but it works.

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Posted 2015-10-07 7:56 PM (#491679 - in reply to #429375)
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Really starting to come together. Black air cleaners or chrome?



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Posted 2015-10-08 6:06 AM (#491712 - in reply to #429375)
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Black is my vote.

Wow, Randy, she's looking fantastic!!
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Posted 2015-10-19 7:02 PM (#492676 - in reply to #429375)
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Thanks Pete!

Shes running!

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Posted 2015-10-19 7:28 PM (#492678 - in reply to #429375)
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It's a little hard to tell in the photo but it looks like there is just one belt for the water pump and it has hardly any wrap at all. Is that going to have enough bite to drive the pump above idle?
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Posted 2015-10-26 9:14 PM (#493300 - in reply to #429375)
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Some slight progress. A lot of other stuff going on lately, but back on track. We bled the brakes, cleared the hood hinges, got a pair of correct Carters (!!!!!), oh and here are her shiny shoes..



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Posted 2016-02-21 6:54 PM (#504796 - in reply to #429375)
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Some more progress. Wiring is about to begin. Vintage air fits great..



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Posted 2016-03-20 4:22 PM (#507405 - in reply to #429375)
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Thanks guys! Progress continues... dash looking good assembled and wiring continues..Slowly but surely!



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150mph speedo??? YOU know it can't do that!!! lol Greeeeaaaat job
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Thanks everyone. I forgot the model number of the unit but I believe it was the medium sized unit I'll get back with you. No issue1s going in. Dash is now in and wrapping up the wiring. We've ordered the weather stripping....



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Posted 2016-04-17 3:06 PM (#509617 - in reply to #429375)
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Wow!!! This car's going to be like something from another world, this engine, air conditioning, disc brakes!!!!! God, i'd love my one just to be half as good as your one is, and it would be also great!!

You're doing an excellent work here!! Thanks for sharing it!!

Greetings from Catalonia!

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Posted 2016-05-11 5:45 PM (#511301 - in reply to #429375)
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Closer every day.. Thank you Paul!

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Posted 2016-06-11 3:51 PM (#513902 - in reply to #429375)
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Dad's custom ductwork. Using the original section mated with some new pieces so we can use the original defrost knob and still hook it to the vintage air unit. Next step is finishing up the weatherstripping and installing the glass. Thanks, Dana57!

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Looks great Randy! Your ganna have a priceless show car when your done!!!!
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Posted 2016-08-17 9:41 PM (#519265 - in reply to #429375)
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Some progress. Window and vent assemblies in and air cleaners painted. We used the usual recommended PlastiKote 452 gold and it turned out very nice. A bit shiny but after cleared they should be a bit darker.



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Very cool ride ! Your doing a super nice job on it. Here is my 57 Granny Plaza from Idaho with only 47k miles on it. I want to turn her into a fast sleeper. Same color. No trim just like she has now.



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I think the only two options are V8 & heater. The Sky Blue paint (code CCC) is pretty cool looking and fits the era perfectly.
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Posted 2016-08-19 11:26 PM (#519417 - in reply to #429375)
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Posted 2016-08-20 12:02 AM (#519425 - in reply to #429375)
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Looks cool 60, I like sky blue, it also looks really solid.

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Posted 2016-08-21 3:24 PM (#519500 - in reply to #429375)
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Dad and I popped in the back glass and drivers quarter window in today. Finally got that Bernbaum rubber right after enough tries. Looking more like a car daily.



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Posted 2017-01-22 6:30 PM (#532060 - in reply to #429375)
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Finally progressing once more. Nothing to hold us up now. Exhaust completed as of today and finally got around to painting everything else. Front clip assembly this week. Then on to interior.

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Posted 2017-01-22 10:09 PM (#532073 - in reply to #429375)
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What did you use to seal your quarter windows? I think I may be able to reuse my rubber seals for my business coupe but was wondering if you found something new.
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58coupe - 2017-01-22 10:09 PM

What did you use to seal your quarter windows? I think I may be able to reuse my rubber seals for my business coupe but was wondering if you found something new.


No nothing new, was fortunate enough to have really good rubbers. But if you find anything please let me know. Need some custom rubbers for our two door wagon when this is through.

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Fenders/splash pans mounted! Also just got the tires on the wheels today! Looks like a car! A long way since we pushed her in the barn three years ago.

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Posted 2017-01-24 10:24 PM (#532263 - in reply to #429375)
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Car is really looking great, Randy! Is the hood going to shut?!

I've actually forgotten the drivetrain. 354 / 3 speed / 8.75 rear?
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Posted 2017-01-24 11:19 PM (#532266 - in reply to #429375)
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The car is coming along great! Want to do one mine next? …….just kidding. There's nothing like Hands On Experience with these cars our appreciation only gets better and the car grows on you.I was also interested in the drive train question 57burb had as I've started to work on my 354 sort of [gathering some Old School Parts] I'm trying to track down a set of matching WCFB dual carbs primary# 2444s and secondary 2445s originals I think,what numbers are yours? One more question the air horn rings,what you tell me about them?

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Posted 2017-01-25 11:59 AM (#532301 - in reply to #532266)
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I took some time to re-read the whole thread and got some of the details I was asking about:

The Chrysler Kid - 2014-03-11 3:11 PM

That is a 331 not a 392 sorry for confusion.


The Chrysler Kid - 2014-03-08 3:07 PM

Lucy now has a transmission! She will be a 4 speed on the floor.


So there it is, a 331 and a 4-speed with dual quads. Killer! I didn't see any details about the rear end. I assume it's an 8 3/4?

My '57 Plymouth wagon was originally a six cylinder / Powerflite car. It has a rear end that looks just like an 8 3/4, but smaller. I am sure it is smaller, because when I swapped my '57 New Yorker 8 3/4 into it, the brake line did not fit around the center section. Any idea what that rear end would be? I'm only asking because I hope your 6-cylinder business coupe doesn't also have a small and wimpy rear axle in it.

The Chrysler Kid - 2015-02-28 7:19 PM

All new interior. Dash redone, all new door panels, and front and back seat.


I might be a little disappointed that it's getting a back seat. The missing back seat in a business coupe is a huge part of why it's so cool! Not knocking your choice, it's easy to swap out, just sayin...

Thanks for keeping us posted on your progress.
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Posted 2017-01-25 2:22 PM (#532311 - in reply to #429375)
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What headers are these? Who made them? Im going to be doing a very similar style of build with my stripper Firesweep and i need headers for my 392 so my cam is happy.

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Posted 2017-01-25 7:44 PM (#532338 - in reply to #532301)
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57burb - 2017-01-25 11:59 AM

I took some time to re-read the whole thread and got some of the details I was asking about:

The Chrysler Kid - 2014-03-11 3:11 PM

That is a 331 not a 392 sorry for confusion.


The Chrysler Kid - 2014-03-08 3:07 PM

Lucy now has a transmission! She will be a 4 speed on the floor.


So there it is, a 331 and a 4-speed with dual quads. Killer! I didn't see any details about the rear end. I assume it's an 8 3/4?

My '57 Plymouth wagon was originally a six cylinder / Powerflite car. It has a rear end that looks just like an 8 3/4, but smaller. I am sure it is smaller, because when I swapped my '57 New Yorker 8 3/4 into it, the brake line did not fit around the center section. Any idea what that rear end would be? I'm only asking because I hope your 6-cylinder business coupe doesn't also have a small and wimpy rear axle in it.

The Chrysler Kid - 2015-02-28 7:19 PM

All new interior. Dash redone, all new door panels, and front and back seat.


I might be a little disappointed that it's getting a back seat. The missing back seat in a business coupe is a huge part of why it's so cool! Not knocking your choice, it's easy to swap out, just sayin...

Thanks for keeping us posted on your progress.


First off I will say this car will NOT have a back seat. Was going that way but decided against. Already figured out how to put the rear compartment together. Trying to look as factory as possible and apparently have the only '57 business coupe restored to no back seat specs. Yes the hood will close, was worried about that too, but it is very close. Yes 8 3/4. I've seen your wagon in a magazine and just want to say super cool car by the way!
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Posted 2017-01-25 7:48 PM (#532339 - in reply to #532266)
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RUSTORICHES - 2017-01-24 11:19 PM

The car is coming along great! Want to do one mine next? …….just kidding. There's nothing like Hands On Experience with these cars our appreciation only gets better and the car grows on you.I was also interested in the drive train question 57burb had as I've started to work on my 354 sort of [gathering some Old School Parts] I'm trying to track down a set of matching WCFB dual carbs primary# 2444s and secondary 2445s originals I think,what numbers are yours? One more question the air horn rings,what you tell me about them?


Thanks! They're actually early sixties 450CFMs off a Pontiac. They work well on the 331, the air cleaners fit, and they are relatively affordable! Air horn rings? Just the stock originals, not sure of the diameter.

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Posted 2017-01-25 7:52 PM (#532340 - in reply to #429375)
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Lower grille and valences together. The rear seat board getting vinyl covered to blend in for the rear comparment. Probably will look similiar to the back seat delete max wedge cars. No evidence of a tray ever being there.



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My 58 business coupe came to me with no interior. What was interesting was all the brackets for the rear seat had been torched off from the factory. I could tell this because of the original paint so my car must have been sold with no rear seat.
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Can you take a picture of the clearance between your headers and the steering box? and post who made the headers?


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Posted 2017-01-31 7:12 PM (#532837 - in reply to #429375)
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Pop and I's weekend progress. Headlamps wired, bumpers, and decklid.



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Posted 2017-02-01 6:30 AM (#532862 - in reply to #429375)
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Posted 2017-02-03 8:30 PM (#533125 - in reply to #429375)
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For the first time since 1964 she has propelled herself out of the barn under her own power. A great moment! Three years since this thread was first started the night she rolled in. A lot has changed. Still a ways to go but can finally see some light at the end of the tunnel.

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Posted 2017-02-06 7:39 PM (#533376 - in reply to #429375)
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Thanks Pete!.


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Great video and what an accomplishment. I noticed the FORD sign in the shop, do you think it's time to take that down now? Just kidding.Pop looks pretty happy and my hats off to you guys.

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Great video and what an accomplishment. I noticed the FORD sign in the shop, do you think it's time to take that down now? Just kidding.Pop looks pretty happy and my hats off to you guys.


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So finally got some time together tonight to tinker a little. Getting close now. Interior trim came back from powder coating. Headliner almost finished, got one door all complete, and finished out the dash trim. Also got the pattern off the original back seat delete panel. A bit thicker and larger than the usual cardboard that goes behind the seat. So lets see what we can do tomorrow!



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I've been sayin it all along...FIRST CLASS. I love it!
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56D500boy
Posted 2017-04-07 11:11 PM (#537601 - in reply to #537585)
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Looking good.

So what are you going to use to make a new behind the seat panel? I can get panels of 11 ply 1/2" thick baltic birch (very stable, non-warping) plywood up here in 5 ft x 5ft pieces. Might work for you.

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The Chrysler Kid
Posted 2017-04-16 4:19 PM (#538203 - in reply to #429375)
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Carpet in along with all door panels and front seat. Waiting on some custom fabbed pieces for the rear compartment.



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Posted 2017-04-26 6:39 PM (#538953 - in reply to #537601)
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56D500boy - 2017-04-07 11:11 PM

Looking good.

So what are you going to use to make a new behind the seat panel? I can get panels of 11 ply 1/2" thick baltic birch (very stable, non-warping) plywood up here in 5 ft x 5ft pieces. Might work for you.




Thank you! Very similiar to what we used.
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The Chrysler Kid
Posted 2017-04-26 6:41 PM (#538954 - in reply to #429375)
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So here is the rear compartment. Just about buttoned up. I believe it is similiar to how it looked on day one. Vinyl over panel and wheel arches. The glue residue was there originally. So I assume it was something similiar to the material used on the wagons. Almost done anyways. I need to find some props to put back there.



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RUSTORICHES
Posted 2017-04-26 9:36 PM (#538962 - in reply to #429375)
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Is that a top loader 4spd. you have behind that Hemi?
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The Chrysler Kid
Posted 2017-10-08 7:22 PM (#549993 - in reply to #429375)
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The final cut and buff was a few days ago, All the little stuff back on yesterday. So do the first time since she was parked 53 years ago Lucille turned into the open road. 3 years after we started this project. Certainly a long time coming. So I guess I can call her finished for now, though they never really are. A great father son project I will never forget, just before I leave to college. If anyone is going to Garlits on November 4th Lucille will be making her show debut. Stop by and say hi! This project would have been impossible without the great help of many people on this forum!



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1961plymouthfury
Posted 2017-10-09 2:34 AM (#550013 - in reply to #429375)
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Looks good
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Posted 2017-10-09 3:39 PM (#550041 - in reply to #429375)
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magnificent! for a fl plaza that hadant run under its own power since 1964! that is a street / drag car... take it to

the strip! back in 57 Plymouths they raced had to deal w a 3 on the tree or push buttons on the torqueflite. the shifter

is a nice touch! take it to shows!
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Posted 2017-10-09 3:56 PM (#550042 - in reply to #429375)
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Nice job! I really like the dog dish, all black sedan look. It's like a government issue unmarked car like something an FBI agent would drive. Looks like you need to angle your rear bumper downward a bit though.
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Posted 2017-10-09 4:15 PM (#550044 - in reply to #429375)
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That car is one of my favorite car's on the planet! WELL DONE! Those tires show well on there.
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mikes2nd
Posted 2017-10-09 4:58 PM (#550051 - in reply to #429375)
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what torsion bars did you use? stock ones?
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Mike P
Posted 2017-10-30 8:46 AM (#551321 - in reply to #429375)
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Been a while since I’ve been on here.

Randy your car is beautiful. I don’t think you could have picked a better color or drivetrain for the car. The Business Coupe was a rare car and I really like that you kept the features that made it unique.


I’ve got a 57 Plaza I built to drive to Tulsa in 07 and am currently revisiting the car and making a few changes. I came across your video on you tube yesterday and found your build thread this morning. The similarities between our cars surprised me.


Mine started life as a Club Sedan with a 6 Cyl and powerflight. Fortunately it was virtually rust free so I didn’t have near the work you did on the body. I ended up doing 1 piece stationary rear windows (mostly because to me it makes the roof line visually less boxy looking).

I’m running a 56 354 Hemi and an A833 Overdrive 4 speed with a 9 ¼” rear end with 4.10 gears. Mine currently runs a Tri-Power (the reason I had to add the hood scoop). I have a 57 Dual Quad intake sitting on the bench right now that I need to build a couple carbs for. I mostly just want to see if there is going to be any difference in performance with it.


The best I’ve got for a build thread on mine is an old video I did about 10 years ….. the qualities not great but it pretty much shows what I did.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eVwm8FDXitA


Like I said Randy yours is a GREAT car, you did nice work.

Here's a picture of mine


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Viper Guy
Posted 2017-10-30 10:14 PM (#551369 - in reply to #429375)
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Sweeeeeeet! Love the '58 lower grille adapted to the '57 - nice touch! I bet it's a joy to drive!
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Posted 2017-10-31 2:35 AM (#551377 - in reply to #429375)
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Great to see you back here Mike!!...
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Posted 2017-11-02 12:28 PM (#551501 - in reply to #549993)
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The Chrysler Kid - 2017-10-08 7:22 PM

The final cut and buff was a few days ago, All the little stuff back on yesterday. So do the first time since she was parked 53 years ago Lucille turned into the open road. 3 years after we started this project. Certainly a long time coming. So I guess I can call her finished for now, though they never really are. A great father son project I will never forget, just before I leave to college. If anyone is going to Garlits on November 4th Lucille will be making her show debut. Stop by and say hi! This project would have been impossible without the great help of many people on this forum!


Very pretty car! Looks really good in black.
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The Chrysler Kid
Posted 2018-05-23 11:15 PM (#563944 - in reply to #429375)
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My father and I just appeared on Discovery channels "Sticker Shock". It was a really fun experience. They shipped the car to L.A. and arranged for us flights to appear with it. Really was a fun journey...and a pretty good appraisal for what I believe to be rarest/cleanest Plaza on the road.



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57burb
Posted 2018-05-24 10:01 AM (#563963 - in reply to #563944)
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Your Plaza turned out really slick man! It obviously impressed those guys on close inspection, so I know it's a knockout. Great job!

I cut the cable about five years ago, so I won't get a chance to see it on Discovery. I'll watch for it on youtube
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mikes2nd
Posted 2018-05-24 1:15 PM (#563970 - in reply to #429375)
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when is the episode being shown? Next year? awesome car.

 

whoops my bad, it just aired



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1961plymouthfury
Posted 2018-05-25 11:08 AM (#564012 - in reply to #429375)
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I looked in the pure gas web site and there are 5 fuel stations that have non ethanol fuel the highest octane is 90 in your area
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