1960 Plymouth Belvedere
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Posted 2015-08-14 10:05 PM (#487183)
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Many of you know that I have a '56 Imperial that I've been working on for 10 years and that I hope to have it done by summer of 2016. Well, I now have another project, a 1960 Plymouth Belvedere 2 door sedan. I purchased it from Larry Wilken, the owner of the Mopar Farm in Billings, Montana. Larry is retiring and selling off his left over inventory. He purchased this car back in 1982 in non-running, non-driving condition and it has sat since. It is a Montana car and is very solid. The driver side does need a new rocker and lower rear quarter, but NOS chrysler panels were included in the sale.

There is some damage to the driver fender and door and various other small dents. I don't plan on restoring the car, exactly, but I do hope to get it running and driving. It's a 318 poly, 2 speed auto. Everything is there other than the radiator, fan and brake master cylinder. The engine turns over by hand and it feels like it's smooth with decent compression. First step is to clean it out, it's pretty gross inside!




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jboymechanic
Posted 2015-08-14 10:09 PM (#487184 - in reply to #487183)
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Sorry, I cannot get it right side up.
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Posted 2015-08-14 10:38 PM (#487188 - in reply to #487183)
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Posted 2015-08-15 5:21 AM (#487202 - in reply to #487183)
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Looks like a good score

Someone else looking for headlight rings

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Posted 2015-08-15 9:31 AM (#487210 - in reply to #487183)
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I had a car just about like yours, bought it in 1968. 2 dr sedan, all white with red interior but it had the GC 361 and factory 3 speed. It got totaled in an accident.
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Posted 2015-08-15 7:54 PM (#487241 - in reply to #487183)
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Looks great! She should make a unique driver. Keep us updated with your progress.
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Posted 2015-08-16 11:51 AM (#487278 - in reply to #487183)
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Congratulations, jboy! GREAT car.

Ya just gotta love those '60 Belvies and Fury's with their "going so fast that I tore the sheet metal back from the front fender"-look. Very cool IMHO.

Can't wait to see what you're going to do to it...doesn't seem to need much before it's back on the road, grabbing attention from everyone around.




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Posted 2015-08-21 11:36 AM (#487690 - in reply to #487183)
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Someone stole my front end!!! lol



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Posted 2015-08-24 10:01 PM (#487900 - in reply to #487690)
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Neato! Same color as my wagon.
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jboymechanic
Posted 2015-08-30 2:31 PM (#488344 - in reply to #487183)
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Well, it's a runner! New fuel pump, plugs, wires, coil, and rebuilt distributor. The starter solenoid was missing so I just touched the starter cable to the power cable off the battery and attached a hot wire from the battery to the ballast resistor. I could tell it had too much timing advance initially as it was cranking, but I slowly turned the distributor and it fired right up! I couldn't run it long as it doesn't have radiator, but no smoke or knocks, very encouraging. I had a clear PVC line connecting the ends of the trans cooler lines and it appears to be pumping as well.

Next step is to properly wire it up. I need to purchase a new ignition switch with keys as I didn't get any keys with the car, or can a lock smith make me new keys if they have the VIN code? Also, what is the part number for the correct starter solenoid? Would any one be willing to post any pictures of the driver inner fender wiring?
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Posted 2015-09-14 1:08 PM (#489609 - in reply to #487183)
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New ignition switch and starter solenoid are in. Added new cables under the hood as well, turns over much faster now. Made some linkage to replace the piece between the firewall and carb. Can now be started from inside the car. New water pump and thermostat as well, radiator coming next.
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jboymechanic
Posted 2015-10-26 10:39 PM (#493305 - in reply to #487183)
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Radiator, water pump pulley, fan and belt are in and I was able to run it for the first extended period of time. Idles nice, but it is burning some oil but at 146,000 miles and having sat for 30 years I'm not surprised. I still plan (hope) to get it driving for the spring. Half way through the brakes now, still need to figure out some small things. Long term plans include an A833 4 speed swap, but not until the Imperial is finished.
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Posted 2015-12-22 4:38 PM (#498787 - in reply to #487183)
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I need to update with some pictures. I have 4 tires that hold air on the car now, which is nice to not see it sagging so badly in my garage. Added the missing hood spring so the hood stays up on its own, which is really nice. Gas tank has been dropped, cleaned and refilled and the car now runs from gas in the tank. Found a headlight switch and most of the lights are working (need to track down the brake and turn signals). Getting very close to taking a (very slow) test drive down the street.
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Posted 2015-12-22 5:43 PM (#498797 - in reply to #487183)
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The oil burning might go away with a little time, but who cares as long as its not an actual smoke screen

You could drive up to a Prius or similar and say that "If I didnt get this car going, it could have made 2 of those" then leave them in a cloud of oil smoke while waving

Do you think that would go over well?

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jboymechanic
Posted 2016-03-11 10:53 AM (#506551 - in reply to #487183)
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Not a very exciting update, but I was able to obtain a title for the vehicle so it is now officially mine!
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Posted 2016-05-19 9:17 PM (#511989 - in reply to #487183)
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Here are a few updated under hood pics. Had a leaking freeze plug, waiting to replace it so but was able to flush a lot of crap out of the block. New fan was in the Imperial but I went electric fan in that car. Lots of left over bits from the Imperial are being used, including some of my left over linkage parts. Been collecting parts too, I have a manual peddle assembly and an 833 4 speed overdrive, 4 barrel intake and the box contains NOS lower rear quarter panels.

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jboymechanic
Posted 2016-06-29 10:41 PM (#515495 - in reply to #487183)
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Well, I've made a little more progress. I didn't have working shift or parking brake cables. I removed the shift cable, which was leaking fluid, and replaced the o-ring and lubed it up along with the buttons. I cut the ripped portion of the rubber cable sheath off by the trans and cut the sheath near the fire wall. I then pulled the sheath down and re-clamped it onto the trans end of the cable. Hopefully these steps will prevent or at least greatly slow the trans leak. I completely disassembled the rear parking brake, the shoes were bare metal. I had spare parking brake shoes left over from a parts tran for the Imperial, so I used those. I cleaned everything up and soaked the cable in a bucket of PB Blaster. Everything is clean, free, adjusted and working properly. At this point, I just need to finish bleeding my brakes and I can take this thing for a test drive!
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Posted 2016-07-01 1:22 PM (#515665 - in reply to #487183)
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Hope you can take her on that test run real soon, Jon. Post some photos when you do!
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Posted 2016-07-05 1:20 PM (#515947 - in reply to #487183)
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First drive in over 30 years!

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Posted 2016-07-05 1:51 PM (#515951 - in reply to #487183)
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Posted 2016-07-05 10:53 PM (#515992 - in reply to #487183)
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2 door post- ultimate sleeper? This will always make others wonder when you line up at an intersection. I wil look forward to seeing the completed project.

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Posted 2016-07-05 11:44 PM (#515994 - in reply to #515992)
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Some people would not have saved the arse end of the car that I saved from the tree. There are not many 2dr's that have survived from 1960. Great video of you bringing down property values. Great minds think alike. Screw the neighbors and their Prius!!!
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Posted 2016-07-07 10:52 PM (#516193 - in reply to #487183)
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Thanks for the encouragement, but there is still much to do. I only have one working brake light and the turn signals aren't working. One tail light is on all the time and it needs exhaust. Speaking of exhaust, it isn't smoky at idle but it gets smoky real fast at 1500 RPM an up! I'm guessing the piston rings are stuck from sitting, hoping to add some sea foam to the engine oil (which is already filthy). I'll just keep running it and changing oil and monitor consumption. Gas gauge doesn't work, nor does the speedo. The front seat is really bad, and it's leaning half way into the back seat and it needs floor boards. Piece of cake, right?
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Posted 2016-07-12 11:51 PM (#516562 - in reply to #516193)
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Well, I found and bought a 1966 Poly 318 locally on craigslist. It came out of a 1966 Dodge Coronet, in good running condition and complete air cleaner to oil pan. The only part missing is the alternator, he kept that but threw in the starter. My next step is to find a small block bellhousing for a 4 speed manual with overdrive (A-833 transmission) so I can mock up my future drivetrain.



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Posted 2016-07-18 10:51 PM (#517037 - in reply to #516562)
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Found a bell housing, it uses a 10.5" clutch and 130 tooth flywheel. Originally used behind small blocks in 1975-6 A-bodies/1975-80 F-bodies/1976-80 trucks. Also found a factory pilot bearing, this bearing was used in the early to mid 1990s for stick shift trucks, fit into the end of the crank (original car was automatic) without modification.



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Posted 2016-07-19 9:13 AM (#517060 - in reply to #487183)
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When you use that style of pilot bearing most of the time the input shaft from the trans. has to be shortened by cutting off some of the end. The crank is not drilled for a manual so not enough room for the long input shaft.
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Posted 2016-07-26 3:35 PM (#517652 - in reply to #517060)
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Here is everything mocked up, the input shaft length into the crank pilot was not an issue.



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Posted 2016-10-20 4:16 PM (#523924 - in reply to #517652)
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The Imperial is off being painted, so I've been working on the Plymouth here and there. Tomorrow should be a big day, hope to install my A833 overdrive that I've had rebuilt.
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Posted 2016-10-20 4:18 PM (#523925 - in reply to #517652)
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The Imperial is off being painted, so I've been working on the Plymouth here and there. Tomorrow should be a big day, hope to install my A833 overdrive that I've had rebuilt. I was able to install a factory clutch pedal, but it is now hooked up to a compact Wilwood hydraulic clutch master cylinder. I had to grin my brake master cylinder firewall support plate, punch a hole in the firewall, and add a solid, flat surface to mount the clutch MC. It's crude and ugly, but it works and I can get that little MC in and out of there without disturbing the brake MC or lines.

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Posted 2016-10-20 4:23 PM (#523929 - in reply to #523925)
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I had also installed my 1966 318 Poly and I upgraded to a Mopar square back alternator and electronic voltage regulator while I was at it.



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Posted 2016-10-20 4:25 PM (#523930 - in reply to #523929)
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I modified my stock transmission cross member to accept the mounting location of the late production A833 OD, my rubber mount is a left over body mount from my 1956 Imperial.
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Posted 2016-10-20 4:27 PM (#523931 - in reply to #523929)
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I modified my stock transmission cross member to accept the mounting location of the late production A833 OD, my rubber mount is a left over body mount from my 1956 Imperial. My welds aren't pretty, but I'm sure they will hold well enough.



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Posted 2016-10-20 4:35 PM (#523932 - in reply to #523931)
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Here is the rebuilt trans. I cleaned up the shifter and made new linkage with aluminum tubing and heim joints, I didn't even have to bend any of the rods. Can't wait to really try it out!



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Posted 2016-10-20 7:08 PM (#523949 - in reply to #487183)
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Have fun with the lower 1/4 patch panels, I have been having that kind of fun as well

They don't fit well, I sectioned mine





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Posted 2016-11-10 10:37 PM (#525826 - in reply to #523949)
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Transmission is in the car and clutch hydraulics have been figured out. Bought the hydraulic mount and slave from Brewers Performance and had to add a new notch to the clutch fork to add a second return spring. Shifter was re-bent to clear the dash and bench seat. Car starts, clutch releases and I can shift through the gears with the engine running. Next step is a drive shaft and throttle linkage.



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Posted 2016-11-23 12:25 PM (#526955 - in reply to #487183)
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Well, I have a new drive shaft installed and my factory 4 barrel intake is on the engine. Hoping to mount my Quick Fuel 4 barrel on the car over the holiday weekend and see what happens.
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Posted 2016-12-30 9:05 PM (#530076 - in reply to #487183)
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A lot has happened in the last month. I mounted my 680 CFM Quick Fuel carb and it was too much for the motor, I Just couldn't lean it out enough to keep the 318 running. Tried to start it so many times that I wore the clutch out in the starter. So, new starter in car and I had to change the oil as I had flooded the car so badly it was about a quart high diluted with gas. Yikes! So after doing a lot of reading, I purchased a 500 CFM Edelbrock (#1403) and got it mounted up. It would fire and run roughly for about 15 seconds and quit over and over again. Long story short, I ended up having weak spark and I corrected the situation with a Pertronix II ignitor kit. Starts and runs beautifully now. I never suspected ignition issues as the engine ran so well with it's original 2 barrel, but it made all the difference in the world.

Today, I finally buttoned up (some what) the throttle linkage and took the car down to the end of the street and back, its first drive as a 4 speed car. I will say that a 318 poly sounds absolutely nasty straight out of the exhaust manifolds at WOT! I still have some work to do on fine tuning the clutch hydraulics, I wasn't 100% disengaging when pressing the pedal to the floor and the car shifted hard (with a slight grind) into 1st and Reverse as a result. Overall, I'm happy with my progress and hope to continue to fine tune the setup here and there. My next immediate step is to get some exhaust so I can run this thing without my neighbors calling the cops.
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Posted 2017-01-22 11:58 AM (#532024 - in reply to #530076)
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An unfortunate update, yesterday I went to fine tune my hydraulic clutch fork arrangement. I had a friend pump the clutch pedal while I was under the car and realized that the slave cylinder was indeed delivering the full 1.125" stroke to the clutch fork. Even with the release bearing only about 1/16" away from the clutch levers, there was still enough slop in the clutch fork pivot that the clutch won't fully disengage.

So I ripped it all apart; pulled the drive shaft, clutch fork and hydraulics and the transmission and cross member. Only took about 1.5 hours by myself with the car on jack stands, so not a terrible job really. I plan to go the hydraulic release bearing route now as it is now my only remaining reasonable option. Didn't want to go this route given the cost of the release bearing and the fact that the trans has to be pulled to change it, but here I am anyway. I would have saved a lot of time and money had I just done this in the first place. At least now it will be a cleaner installation and allow more room for the exhaust.

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Posted 2017-03-27 10:54 PM (#536785 - in reply to #487183)
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It's been a long time, but the conversion to the HydraMax hydraulic release bearing is complete. Kind of a pain to do by yourself with the car on jack stands, but it's done and the car drives and shifts like it should. Need to do the following before I'm willing to register and insure this thing and really drive a somewhere:
1. Exhaust
2. Floor pans
3. Get brake lights and turn signals working
4. Get gas gauge working
5. Fix the seat so I'm not falling into the back seat

Hope to order factory dual exhaust and have the driver side pipe modified to fit the 1966 manifold. Then I'll farm out the floor pan work.
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Posted 2017-05-22 11:36 PM (#540673 - in reply to #487183)
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Exhaust is almost complete, bought duals from classic exhaust. Fit the car really well right out of the box. Just need to clamp things up and get my hangers in place. I'll take some pictures when it's all done. Gas gauge is working and the front seat has been sort of fixed so it doesn't flop into the back seat area any more. I have new floor pans, just need to have them installed.
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Posted 2017-07-01 2:17 PM (#543308 - in reply to #487183)
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The exhaust is done and all of my lights (brake and turn signals) are working. Need to test my speedometer yet, but I used a spare cable from my Imperial. Still needs new floor pans installed, but I have registered the vehicle to drive. Hope to do a test drive this weekend yet.
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Nice job Jon. Keen to see the car in road trim!

Also very keen to see that Imperial. How did the paint job go?

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Posted 2017-07-08 11:30 PM (#543791 - in reply to #543340)
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Here are the latest pics of the Plymouth. Speedo still isn't functioning, I'll have to check the drive gear in the trans. Car needs tires, some front suspension/steering work and an alignment. Setting up an appointment for floors first.





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Posted 2017-07-08 11:33 PM (#543792 - in reply to #543791)
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Car still looks the same, just peeled off some duct tape. I have not washed it.



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Posted 2017-07-11 12:53 AM (#543930 - in reply to #487183)
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I would not use that plastic fuel filter. Too many horror stories. You can buy a metal filter cheap. Glad its coming together for ya. I know your ready!!!


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Posted 2017-07-11 1:30 PM (#543955 - in reply to #543930)
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oldwood - 2017-07-10 11:53 PM

I would not use that plastic fuel filter. Too many horror stories. You can buy a metal filter cheap. Glad its coming together for ya. I know your ready!!!


You're absolutely right about the plastic fuel filter, but I like running them for a while after I'm revived an old car or engine so I can see how much crap it's filtering out of the fuel tank and lines. Once the fuel is more consistently clean, I'll switch to the tried and true Mopar filter.

Last night I went to check and change the rear axle oil, what a nightmare! I spent about an hour with a putty knife scraping crap off the axle housing and diff, enough caked on oil and dirt to fill a 5 gallon pail about half way! All clean and oil changed, now to watch for the leak!

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I would not use that plastic fuel filter. Too many horror stories.

What horror stories ????
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Posted 2017-08-08 11:08 AM (#545838 - in reply to #487183)
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The Plymouth is now at a body shop having new floor pans installed and the trans tunnel is being filled in around my 4 speed shifter. Car made the 9 mile voyage without issue, it also drove very well at 55 MPH. I was pretty nervous as I had no idea how the car would do, but no cooling issues or vibrations at any speed (so I'm feeling pretty good about my trans swap and cross member mods at this point).

The night before the trip I checked the steering gear oil level, it was totally dry! Filled it up, but there was a big puddle of oil under it the next morning. Guess I know what my next project is on this car.
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Posted 2017-10-28 11:13 PM (#551247 - in reply to #545838)
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Car is in storage for the winter. Floors did get replaced, but I won't be touching the car until spring. I plan on really focusing on the Imperial this winter.



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Posted 2018-05-20 8:38 PM (#563719 - in reply to #487183)
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Dug the Plymouth out of storage today. Ran great, but it was a white knuckle ride for the 15 miles from my dad’s shop to my house. Alternator is no longer charging, and the alignment is so bad you could hear the front tires squealing all the way home. It was hard to get the car in second gear, not sure what is going on there. Plenty to do, but at least now it’s home so I can work on it here and there.
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Posted 2018-05-20 9:39 PM (#563724 - in reply to #487183)
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Posted 2018-05-21 11:23 PM (#563800 - in reply to #487183)
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I believe I have the charging issue solved; bad alternator. This is disappointing, as the alternator is brand new. I have a square back mopar alternator with mopar electronic voltage regulator setup in this car. With the ignition switch turned to "Run", I have 12 volts at the regulator "I" terminal and at one of the field terminals on the alternator (this is the blue wire). There is no voltage "through" the alternator to the other field terminal (where the green wire connects the alternator to the voltage regulator). This indicates a bad alternator field winding.

My next goals are to fine tune the accelerator linkage (i don't think I can actually get the carb to WOT when the pedal is to the floor) and bleed my hydraulic throughout bearing. I had to pump the clutch pedal at stops to get the clutch to release properly. I also need to adjust my clutch pedal linkage so I don't over-actuate the release bearing and blow it out.
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Posted 2018-05-25 12:50 PM (#564014 - in reply to #487183)
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New alternator solved the charging issue, back up to about 14 to 14.5 volts when the engine is running. Working on putting in a new brake master cylinder next. Larger bore for firmer pedal and to feed the volume to 4 wheel disc brakes. Also lighter (aluminum) with easy open plastic reservoir screw caps.
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Posted 2018-06-22 1:44 PM (#565455 - in reply to #487183)
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I'm now driving this car on short trips until I build up some confidence, I've put about 50 miles on the car this week. Up shifts through all the gears easily, but it is still difficult to down shift from 3rd to 2nd (probably a synchronizer issue in the trans). Alignment was adjusted as best I could with a tape measure, actually goes down the road pretty well. Speedo doesn't work but odometer is rolling. Will need suspension and steering rebuild before any serious miles are put on. Tires and proper alignment too. This car is officially back on the road though!
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Posted 2018-06-23 12:22 AM (#565478 - in reply to #487183)
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Posted 2018-07-05 10:59 PM (#566092 - in reply to #487183)
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Changed the trans fluid to Valvoline MTF Synchromesh oil. Car shifts up even better and downshifts are much better. Downshift from 3 to 2 is still a bit sluggish, but manageable and much improved. I'm not sure what the viscosity of this oil is as it's not stated on the bottle, but it seemed pretty thin when pouring it in. If I'm still not happy long term I may go to the factory recommended (for warn climates) GL-4 SAE 140 oil as this will be a summer & fall only car.

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Posted 2018-07-08 10:17 PM (#566318 - in reply to #487183)
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Congrats. Its nice to see another '60 on the road. Someday maybe you'll put a seat and windshield in it.
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Posted 2018-07-08 11:24 PM (#566325 - in reply to #487183)
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I drove the car another 50 miles this weekend. I picked up my dad and we went to a local drive in that hosts a cruise night every Saturday. People got a kick out of seeing such a shabby car being able to make it out.

Car runs great, but it does badly need a new windshield and seat that I hope to figure out how to get from you Dorsey. I have a three corrugated boxed sitting on top of the springs and two sheets over that on the seat, but it sits darn low. The windshield is almost impossible to see through at night it's so hazy, had to be home before it got dark. Luckily in the summertime that's not until 9:00 PM. Lots of work to do, but at least I can drive it as I work on it now.
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Posted 2019-01-08 8:58 AM (#576485 - in reply to #487183)
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I haven't updated this in a while, but there has been some progress. Late this fall I completed the rebuild of an AX15 5 speed manual transmission from a 1998 Dodge Dakota. The bell housing is a direct bolt on to the 318 Poly (Jeep fans using this bell housing for straight 6 to V8 conversions). I finally finished cleaning and rebuilding the shifter, i also have the external factory slave cylinder with an adapter fitting so I can use a standard -3AN hydraulic hose from the master to the slave. I hope to complete the swap in the spring, I will have to rework my transmission mount and floor to complete the job.

I also plan to re-gear the car with 2.94 gears, I have a good set that I just removed from a rear end last night. Gear set is in excellent condition, should only need a new pinion seal.

Finally, I removed and repaired the front seat before putting the car away for the winter. I cut off all the rotten fabric and foam and found that the seat frame was cracked and bent. I heated the frame up and bent it back and welded back together. No more lean into the back seat, now I need padding and upholstery. I also finally shipped my windshield purchased from oldwood, hope to get that into the car this year as well.
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Posted 2019-01-08 10:24 AM (#576489 - in reply to #487183)
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hah are you watching Cold War Motors splice his 60 fury? He chopped up a 4 door dodge to use for his 2 dr ht Fury.
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Posted 2019-01-09 12:13 AM (#576518 - in reply to #576489)
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hah are you watching Cold War Motors splice his 60 fury? He chopped up a 4 door dodge to use for his 2 dr ht Fury.


I do love me some Cold War Motors, I just wonder how the hell the guy affords the property and all the cars?
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Posted 2019-01-10 12:39 AM (#576550 - in reply to #576518)
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Here is the rebuilt AX15 with correct bell housing, slave cylinder, clutch fork and release bearing. Pretty compact unit, shifts more smoothly than the A833 and not such a drastic gear ratio drop from 1 to 2 like the A833 either.



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Posted 2019-01-10 2:06 AM (#576552 - in reply to #576518)
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mikes2nd - 2019-01-08 9:24 AM hah are you watching Cold War Motors splice his 60 fury? He chopped up a 4 door dodge to use for his 2 dr ht Fury.
I do love me some Cold War Motors, I just wonder how the hell the guy affords the property and all the cars?

 hah he isn't rich, his one barn roof fell in.

It may be his families property? He runs his business there.  He paints cars and fixes them up.  I think he's been doing it a long time.  He gets his cars for nearly nothing.  I think he got the fury for probably under 500$ and the Dodge for 800$ at the auction.

 

 



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Posted 2019-03-19 10:51 PM (#579565 - in reply to #487183)
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Lot of prep work going on with the Plymouth. Just bought and cleaned up a power steering column from Big M, just easier to drive a stick car with power steering. Shipping the gear to be rebuilt by Lares in Minnesota. Hope to dig it out of storage by the end of April.
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Posted 2019-04-02 10:33 PM (#580314 - in reply to #579565)
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Just got my power steering gear back from Lares. Cleaned, rebuilt, painted and ready to go. The rest of the column and components are ready also (pump, lines, steering isolator were all sourced new from RockAuto).



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Posted 2019-04-11 2:17 PM (#580722 - in reply to #487183)
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The manual steering column is out, had to remove one of my brake lines from the MC to make it happen. The worst part of the job was all the dirt mixed with grease falling all over me and trying to maneuver the steering gear out since the steering tube does not disconnect from the manual gear. Everything is cleaned up and the power steering gear is now loosely mounted to the frame. I think the worst of it is over, only about 3 hours into the job. Hope to finish the job Friday and Saturday night.
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Posted 2019-04-11 2:20 PM (#580723 - in reply to #487183)
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Let us know how the adjustment procedure comes out.
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Posted 2019-04-11 11:12 PM (#580755 - in reply to #487183)
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I love reading threads and eating a Kringle. lol
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Posted 2019-04-13 12:52 AM (#580807 - in reply to #487183)
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Power steering gear and column are in and tightened in place. Now I need to install the pump and lines, flush the gear and then bleed the air. Once all that checks out, I'll torque down the steering arm and linkage and reinstall my floor to column boots. I have a slight rub between the horn ring and column at one point when I turn the steering wheel, so I'll have to take the horn ring off and touch it up with a file. Also installed turn signal lever repair kit and a spare '56 Imperial turn signal lever for a touch of class.

Dorsey, when I get that '61 up here and running, I'll send you another Kringle.
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Posted 2019-04-14 12:43 AM (#580842 - in reply to #487183)
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Power steering is in, complete and operable. Wasn't that bad, could have been done in a day if I could work on it continuously. When the weather gets better again, I'll take it for a test drive. Then it will be back in the garage to get the 5 speed swapped in, and then swap the 2.94 gears in place of the 3.31s.
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Posted 2019-04-14 12:54 AM (#580843 - in reply to #487183)
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Also, here is a video of how the exhaust sounds on this car. Pretty tough sounding for a 318.

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Posted 2019-05-02 2:12 PM (#581681 - in reply to #487183)
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I purchased some Cooper Cobra 255/60R15 tires and mounted them to some Mopar "cop" wheels. The wheels and tires fit with ease in my rear wheel wells. The 15x7 cop wheels have the perfect backspacing/offset so the tire is centered between the leaf spring and inside of the rear quarter. As expected, I have about 1.25 inches of clearance on both sidewalls of the tire. It was not difficult to maneuver the wheels and tires onto the axle flanges either.
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Posted 2019-05-02 2:37 PM (#581682 - in reply to #487183)
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Post up a pic of it when you get a chance. I passed up on a bunch of cheap cop car wheels at the fling swap because I wanted stock style rims, only to realize that I was going to run a full hubcap on this anyway. Duh moment happened a little too late. 15x7 is the perfect size for the whitewall tires I want to run.
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Posted 2019-05-02 10:53 PM (#581697 - in reply to #581682)
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Here are some pics, not very good lighting though. I has been raining steady for a week and it was dark out, don't want the car in the rain as I'm sure it will leak like hell. These are the best I have.

Not sure what to tackle next, the windshield or the 5 speed?

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Posted 2019-05-06 11:32 PM (#581886 - in reply to #581697)
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Well, I decided to get going on replacing the front windshield next. My replacement has been sitting on a pile of bubble wrap in between the Imperial and this Plymouth for months and I want my floor space back and I also want the windshield off the floor before it gets broken. I removed the stainless trim, brushed and vacuumed around the gasket. The structure looks great and rust free, even my clips are all in good shape. The gasket has been rubbed with Gojo and is soaking in the stuff now before I remove the gasket entirely for more cleaning in the window frame and the gasket itself.



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Posted 2019-05-07 12:18 AM (#581887 - in reply to #487183)
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those springs look in trouble?
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Posted 2019-05-07 9:32 AM (#581893 - in reply to #487183)
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I agree that the picture of the leaf spring looks bad, but it must be a bad angle because the springs on this car are ok (not great, but not in trouble either).
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Posted 2019-05-12 11:05 PM (#582085 - in reply to #487183)
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The windshield gasket has softened enough that I was willing to try to "unlock" it. It worked great, gasket seems to be in good shape. Once open, I filled in the gasket with more Gojo and will wait a few more days before I remove the glass and then the gasket itself.
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Posted 2019-05-13 11:21 PM (#582125 - in reply to #582085)
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Windshield is out, that is, it's out of the gasket. Still resting in the frame, need to get someone over here to help me lift it out of place and onto the ground. Gasket is looking good, and the frame around the glass on the car is solid. I'd like to clean the frame up and paint it to protect it, any recommendations? Rust bullet?



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Posted 2019-05-13 11:54 PM (#582130 - in reply to #487183)
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Posted 2019-05-14 5:13 PM (#582149 - in reply to #487183)
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Which Rust Bullet product, didn't realize there were so many?
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1 qt is 35$ on Amazon. Or get 1 pt. Remember once you open it you have a couple days to use it all or I seal it in small glass jars like baby food to the top and with a hole drilled in the cap to the overflow and the tape it shut so absolutely no air is in the jar
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Posted 2019-05-28 12:40 AM (#582594 - in reply to #582150)
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Windshield is in the car and all the trim is back in place. Nice to have a windshield that I can see through!



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Posted 2019-05-29 2:11 PM (#582659 - in reply to #487183)
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Nice! I like the old decal, too! The cop wheels with the 1960s dog dish hubcaps look good as well.
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Posted 2019-06-04 12:03 AM (#582899 - in reply to #582659)
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Thanks Pete, she'll be a decent driver yet.

This weekend the kids helped me give this car its first wash since at least 1985 (when it went off the road). The trail of filth running down my driveway was impressive, I mostly wanted to get any dirt out of any tight areas.



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Posted 2019-06-04 1:50 AM (#582904 - in reply to #487183)
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Posted 2019-06-04 2:38 AM (#582905 - in reply to #487183)
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Nice, looks like a different car now!
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