White 1958 Coronet Lancer
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Posted 2016-09-10 2:48 PM (#520945)
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I just bought this '58 Lancer from out of Los Angeles. Pretty solid car in the front, but quite a bit of rust in the back for some reason. Built in Los Angeles with a 325 poly, 3 speed Torqueflite, power steering & manual brakes. Seems to have all its original wheels. I'm either going to use some spinner hubcaps or dog dish caps. Trying to figure out the paint scheme I would like to put on it. Any suggestions would be welcome. I'm not a fan of all white - too boring. This car I am going to get running and then get it painted relatively quickly since there isn't a huge amount of work involved to do that.



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Posted 2016-09-10 2:53 PM (#520946 - in reply to #520945)
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Here are some pictures of the condition of the car. The trunk lid needs to be replaced. Pretty difficult fix there. Same situation with the trunk pan. It probably had a rubber mat covering it all to make it this bad. But the quarter panels just need a minor patch. The interior floors are really nice.



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Posted 2016-09-10 3:04 PM (#520947 - in reply to #520945)
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Here is the body tag. I think it reads:

M5: 1
SO: 1307, No. 5036, MODEL: LD2L, BT: 332, PT: XXX, TR: 141

Can anyone tell me if these door panels look to be original to this car? It seems odd to have a solid green dash and blue door panels.



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Posted 2016-09-10 10:59 PM (#520973 - in reply to #520947)
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Hi, Nathan. TRM Code 141 is a green Coronet interior. You have the deluxe interior. In the above images, the door panels look green to me. Maybe the sun has faded them to a blueish color(?). They look original to me.
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Posted 2016-09-11 12:25 AM (#520975 - in reply to #520973)
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I had a near identical Coronet coupe, except it had the super-ugly Spring Special
trim (full package). While the car was black and gold (a good thing), the way Dodge
dorked up their 58 two-toning was a no-go and there was no way I was keeping that
side trim, so I got a set of the holdover 57 trim out of my yard and gave it a 57 two-
tone scheme. I sold this car to pay for my Fireflite, so it never got into paint. Black
and gold would have looked good, but I tend to favor the uniquely late 50's pastels,
if I am going to change away from a car's original colors.


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Posted 2016-09-11 12:33 AM (#520977 - in reply to #520973)
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What does a deluxe interior consist of? Is the sombrero part of that option package?

The camera is bad about changing the hue. The door panels are definitely blue and the dash is a true green. So it makes me wonder. Blue and green are an odd choice to mix. But I think if I paint the outside mint green that it would go well enough with both the blue and green... maybe. And mint is more of a pastel green so it might look pretty good that way. The other option is charcoal and white, but I think it would look better with more color than that.

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Posted 2016-09-11 1:25 PM (#520998 - in reply to #520977)
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I have a trunk lid if you can't find one closer than Arkansas. Great looking Dodge!!!
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Posted 2016-09-11 7:49 PM (#521018 - in reply to #520998)
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Thanks Dorsey. If you were closer, I would definitely take you up on it. I am hoping that either John or Gary has one I can grab. I am going to John's place for the shin dig so maybe I can get one then... if he has one available. I was planning to take the '58 Desoto up there. Do you think a Dodge lid would fit inside a Desoto trunk? Or maybe I could try driving up there lidless and bolting it on

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Posted 2016-09-11 8:30 PM (#521019 - in reply to #521018)
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Dodge also offered the Buzzard Puke Green. An outstanding color, if I do say
so myself !

It looks great with white, but I have seen a very few cars with black or charcoal,
which is quite striking.





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Posted 2016-09-12 12:11 PM (#521069 - in reply to #521019)
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It is looking like this one is going to get some buzzard puke on it too. The wife approves the mint/white w/whitewall combo, but I think I prefer the charcoal/mint w/dog dishes. The wife says darker green/black makes it look like an army jeep! So I guess that one is out. I'm looking forward to the day your buzzard starts busting those boulevards again.



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Posted 2016-09-17 1:18 PM (#521456 - in reply to #521069)
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The more I look at them, the more I like the black and dark green. I made some progress on getting it running. Rebuilt water pump and rebuilt carb. I didn't touch the generator & power steering pump because I want to see if they work first. The air cleaner will be converted to a 4bbl soon so I left it unfinished for the time being. Once I get the electronic distributor & fuel pump setup properly, I should be able to see if this thing runs, and how well. Still ZERO brakes though so it isn't moving anywhere yet.



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Posted 2016-09-17 2:36 PM (#521459 - in reply to #521069)
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I am into "design", and as a result, I tend to view topics like this along multiple
lines of thought.

I personally prefer the white and green as an overall "best aesthetic", given the
2HT lines of the car, Dodge style fins and 2-toning, and general trim. I think the
"face"of a 58 is rather "bright eyed" and "perky", which I think the white and green
lends itself well to. It is a complimentary color combo.

On the other hand, sometimes contrasting themes produce interesting, or even
better results than complimentary. My best example is my own Plaza. No one will
ever argue that a 58 Fury or Belvedere is flat-out ultra-sexy with that hockey stick
trim, fender "barb" ornaments, swept back antennas, etc. ... built around that 2HT
roof. But taking that same basic canvas to an "all wrong" format of tall, cumbersome
4s roof, removing all the trim so it's just one finned blob of one color, black walls and
dog dishies, .... it is the old man at the beach in shorts, black socks, and sandals !
.... ugly, but cool for being so different. I find this angle particularly attractive on
cars that are overly "done the same" in the hobby, .... like the 58 Plymouth. I think
a 59 Dodge is another good example of a car done far too typically, and a stripper
trimmed example would really look cool in the sea of over-blinged examples.

This anti-bling paradigm seems to be picking up more and more followers. Maybe
someone will build a nicely untrimmed 59 Dodge in an unsexy color ?







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Posted 2016-09-17 4:59 PM (#521474 - in reply to #520945)
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those dark greens make it look like a ww2 car... gonna have to pass on the 'Staff car" look
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Posted 2016-09-17 7:37 PM (#521494 - in reply to #521474)
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Do you guys have a suggestion for color scheme? This is the original interior fabric, but I am willing to change things around. But I want to keep the door panels as is because they are in pretty good shape.



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Posted 2016-09-18 1:46 AM (#521512 - in reply to #521494)
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It's alive! I couldn't get the intermediate shaft out of the motor to do the electronic distributor conversion so I made an adapter to mount to the end of the electronic distributor. I fired it up and it seems to run really well. We'll see when I put it under load, but so far it seems quite responsive. The old fuel pump even works well. I have it sucking out of a can right now because the tank has been sitting for who knows how long without even a cap on it, and it is nasty smelling. The fan needs a smaller spacer. The one on there is too long to assemble, and it doesn't work without any spacer. But as soon as I get that sorted and get the cooling system functional, I will put it in gear (with the wheels off the ground) and see if the trans & power steering decides to work or not. Bit by bit, I am determined to get this thing on the road.
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Posted 2016-09-18 3:28 AM (#521515 - in reply to #521459)
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Doctor DeSoto - 2016-09-17 2:36 PM

I am into "design", and as a result, I tend to view topics like this along multiple
lines of thought.

I personally prefer the white and green as an overall "best aesthetic", given the
2HT lines of the car, Dodge style fins and 2-toning, and general trim. I think the
"face"of a 58 is rather "bright eyed" and "perky", which I think the white and green
lends itself well to. It is a complimentary color combo.

On the other hand, sometimes contrasting themes produce interesting, or even
better results than complimentary. My best example is my own Plaza. No one will
ever argue that a 58 Fury or Belvedere is flat-out ultra-sexy with that hockey stick
trim, fender "barb" ornaments, swept back antennas, etc. ... built around that 2HT
roof. But taking that same basic canvas to an "all wrong" format of tall, cumbersome
4s roof, removing all the trim so it's just one finned blob of one color, black walls and
dog dishies, .... it is the old man at the beach in shorts, black socks, and sandals !
.... ugly, but cool for being so different. I find this angle particularly attractive on
cars that are overly "done the same" in the hobby, .... like the 58 Plymouth. I think
a 59 Dodge is another good example of a car done far too typically, and a stripper
trimmed example would really look cool in the sea of over-blinged examples.

This anti-bling paradigm seems to be picking up more and more followers. Maybe
someone will build a nicely untrimmed 59 Dodge in an unsexy color ?

Old Doc is now posting his likes of a '59 Dodge!!! Guys, I think he is coming out of the closet. Its great to hear any car running after a long hibernation. I just got a '59 Dodge Flathead running after a 30yr. hibernation
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Posted 2016-09-18 7:45 AM (#521524 - in reply to #520945)
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Awesome to see this car saved, well done Nate. Keep the pics coming.
I am gonna buck the trend, I recon these FL cars look very nice in all white, just my opinion, and I don even know why (especially a 58 Doggie 2drht!).

Steve.
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Doctor DeSoto
Posted 2016-09-18 11:26 AM (#521537 - in reply to #521524)
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Dorsey,

Unlike most people think, I can be objective on most subjects, even if I hate
the matter at hand. I still think the 59 Dodge looks like and angry clown with
bad trim choices slathered excessively all over it. I also understand that for the
very reasons I do not like them, people LOVE this car design ! So, I'll accept
reality as I find it, offer up objective points on how one might make their 59 a
little different than the typical, and get back to liking cleaner, more integrated
design. Afterall, for most of the past 50 years, most people have considered
ALL of these finned cars the zenith of excess and ugly. Please, make a note of
it !!!

That fabric is AWESOME !!! Worthy of building a car AROUND !!! Honestly, I
think a person would be hard-pressed to do better with a 58 Dodge coupe than
the green and white shown previously and that fabric on the seats and door panels.
This is the epitome of what MAKES a "George Jetson" car so cool.
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Posted 2016-09-18 11:53 AM (#521539 - in reply to #521537)
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I would have 1 of each and enjoy them all. But reality is $$$, time and space. Not many people liked the '61 but it now has a following. I, like DOC enjoy the strippers but will buy anyone of them even if I don't keep them. We all do what we can to save a FL car. Let the trash talk come from those that don't see the beauty that Virgil Exner left us. The Mopar engineers gave us some of the best engines and transmissions ever to be made. I hope to see DOC and ole Buzzard Puke running the roads someday.
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Posted 2016-09-18 9:24 PM (#521569 - in reply to #521539)
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Dorsey, I am rolling the attic rafters in the shop right now. Hope to have
the place decked and tarped for the winter by the end of this coming week ???
I will need to reroute the stove pipe to get the heat back operational, and then
I am back in business for working on the cars for the winter. Not sure if I will
keep welding on the DeSoto, or perhaps push old Elmer the Buzzard Puke Plaza
forward in the paint process. Maybe a little of both ? I have to finish the build
on the Model T engine and get that installed somewhere in the mix, but all-in-
all, things are FINALLY getting to a place of functional workshop !
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Posted 2016-09-18 11:55 PM (#521575 - in reply to #521569)
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You should start a thread in the nether region on your T motor build. Many of us would enjoy seeing what you are doing. But if my vote counts for anything, and I'm sure it doesn't; I vote you get the Plaza done first.
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Posted 2016-09-19 12:36 AM (#521577 - in reply to #521575)
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I see the Plaza getting finish bodywork and paint prep in the next year.
Questionable that I can paint it in that time frame, just because I need
to finish a painting area, fan wiring, etc. to really do a decent job. The
bodywork and prep doesn't require as much commitment.

As mentioned here or elsewhere, my pre-war car interest has largely
overtaken my fin car interest. The T is way more fun.
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Posted 2016-09-19 10:42 AM (#521610 - in reply to #520945)
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The Plaza will give you just as much joy driving it. It will be a lot safer. Screw the paint, drive it. Both of you guys start driving the survivor cars!!!! That's what I'm doing with this one, for now!!!


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Posted 2016-09-19 8:15 PM (#521648 - in reply to #521610)
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The Plaza went to bare metal and is now in primer. No half measures
now. And I am guessing you have never driven a T truck. The jolly
factor for a guy who likes old rusty junk is far greater with the T. The
number of starry-eyed douchebags that approach you is 100x higher
with a finned car.

"Is that Christine ?"

"Does it have a Hemi ?"

"Nice 57 Chevy !"

"Yeah, My Dad bought one of those new with a 426. He set all sorts
of land speed records with it."

"Do you do a lot of carmshows and pretend it's the 50's ?"

"I just love Lost in the 50's !"



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Posted 2016-09-19 8:26 PM (#521649 - in reply to #521648)
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I had a '31 Ford Coupe and someone had to have it.
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Posted 2016-09-27 5:42 PM (#522203 - in reply to #520945)
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White is nice but the spring colors of poppy re, lavender or teal may look great on fins & or roof
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Posted 2016-09-28 12:16 PM (#522257 - in reply to #521648)
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Doctor DeSoto - 2016-09-19 8:15 PM
"Is that Christine ?" (I get this allllllll the time)

"Nice 57 Chevy !" ( My Imperial gets "Cool Caddy" a lot)

"Yeah, My Dad bought one of those new with a 426. He set all sorts
of land speed records with it." (Yes. Another very annoying thing. Or a sears A/C unit under dash that is "Factory A/C")


hahaha.

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Posted 2016-10-09 5:29 PM (#522990 - in reply to #522257)
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Converted the car to disc brakes and redid all the front lines, but not shown in picture. I used a disc master from a '73 Dart. If I end up converting the car to power brakes, I will do a remote reservoir on it, but I wanted to try it out with manual brakes first.



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Posted 2016-10-09 5:36 PM (#522992 - in reply to #522990)
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Swapped to 2.76 gears in the back. Still need to cut down the axles and adjust the end play. The oil in this axle wasn't 90 weight. I think it was straight 30 weight motor oil. I couldn't get a good price on replacement 11x2" brakes so I decided to swap to 12x2.5" brakes from the Windsor parts car instead. I am in a hurry to get this running and moved so I didn't take the time to paint the rear axle housing & springs.



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Posted 2016-10-20 1:48 AM (#523865 - in reply to #520945)
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I replaced the gas tank and fuel sender. The tank was workable, but I didn't want to deal with all the crud & rust inside so I just replaced it. Finished the brake & axle job except I still have to wire up a mechanical brake switch. I got all the exterior lights working, but not a single electrical device works on the interior of the car. I ordered a new voltage regulator that should fix the no-charge issue. There is a strange coolant leak from the back of the motor. It isn't from the intake or the head gasket. The only place I can figure it coming from is a block plug on the back of the block. Drat, that is a tough one to fix, but hopefully I can seal it with a small amount of copper seal. The freeze plugs on the sides of the block are not rusted and seem to be in good shape.

I took the car for it's maiden run tonight. This 325 poly motor is really strong! This is likely the strongest forwardlook car I own. Even with the 2.76 gears, it gets up and moves quite well. The trans, front suspension and power steering work great untouched. The brake pedal is still a little spongy because I am having trouble getting all the air out for some reason, but the brakes work great other than that. I should be able to get all the air out with time. Next on the agenda is to fix the bench seat adjuster catch. It isn't catching so the front seat slides back and forth continually. It's enough to drive me insane!
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Posted 2016-10-20 4:19 PM (#523927 - in reply to #520945)
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Man, you are really moving along on this '58! Very impressed Nathan!
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Posted 2016-10-20 5:26 PM (#523933 - in reply to #523927)
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Thanks Dave I am probably more motivated than usual because I purchased a 392 hemi from a '57 New Yorker that is sitting in the back of my wagon that I can't unload until this car is moved.
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Posted 2016-10-21 6:57 AM (#523971 - in reply to #523933)
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I'm biased, but I haven't yet seen a colour combo that I prefer to the white over mint on my own '58 Dodge.

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We share the same deluxe interior. It goes really well with the mint. I wish mine had your lovely cloth design.

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The 2bbl 325 in mine is perky too. A fine motor.

Discs? Really?

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Posted 2016-10-21 8:08 AM (#523977 - in reply to #523971)
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Thanks for the pics John. You have the same bluish door panels that I do, so it looks like they do fade from green to blue quite easily. Either that, or that is the color they were made. Yeah, the discs are pretty much required if you want to be able to drive in Los Angeles. Too many crazy drivers out here.

Your steering wheel is making me very jealous! It looks new. I think most of my steering wheel is on the floor now.
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Posted 2016-10-21 12:05 PM (#523987 - in reply to #523933)
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Powerflite - 2016-10-20 2:26 PM

Thanks Dave I am probably more motivated than usual because I purchased a 392 hemi from a '57 New Yorker that is sitting in the back of my wagon that I can't unload until this car is moved. :laugh:


That's a really good reason . . . . ha ha ha!
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Posted 2016-10-21 1:58 PM (#523996 - in reply to #520977)
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Powerflite - 2016-09-10 10:33 PM

What does a deluxe interior consist of?


Hi, Nathan - sorry about the late reply. Sombreros were optional with all interiors!
The "upgrade" Coronet interior had dippity-doo swishtity swoops (to use the technical term) in the mylar portion of the door panels.
They also got setback dippers too, instead of the straight seat back of the standard Coronet trim.
Upgraded fabrics and carpeted floors were also part of the deal-leo.


Doc and I vote for Fire Engine Red!

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Posted 2016-10-21 7:24 PM (#524007 - in reply to #523996)
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Yeah, Mike is right. A lot of guys try to run cover for their secret desire
to meet up with other dudes in the bus station men's room by going with
the bright red. I think it's a good plan.
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Posted 2016-10-22 3:35 PM (#524083 - in reply to #523977)
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Powerflite - 2016-10-21 1:08 PM

Thanks for the pics John. You have the same bluish door panels that I do, so it looks like they do fade from green to blue quite easily. Either that, or that is the color they were made.


I don't believe mine have faded, the pale blue is uniform, so I reckon it is stock.

I like the darker metallic green paint on the dash, contrasting with the very pale green on the glove box and instrument panel. Excellent, complimentary colours, just like the skin and flesh of an avocado pear.

I love that glove box, from the outside it promises so much (enough space for 50 pairs of gloves worth) but when you open it, it delivers so little! It does say road maps though, which is some consolation.
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Thanks for the info Mike! Sounds like I had better hang onto that sombrero. I do really enjoy having those dippy seats. Much better looking IMO.

Doc, I have no idea what the connection of those two things are, but please don't educate me. Sometimes ignorance really is bliss.

John, yeah, I like the two shades of greens together too. I am not sure about the blues and greens though. I may die my door panels.... but I may just leave them too.

My '57 Windsor parts car came to the rescue again. I removed the seat mechanism and found that I have no idea how to fix it. It is fully latched, but the latch did nothing and it just slid around. Looks like I would have to remove the rivets that are holding it together to even figure out if I could fix it. But fortunately, I kept the mechanisms from the Windsor and just installed that. Worked out great. So much better now.

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I also finished installing the brake light switch. I welded a piece of angle iron to the pedal bracket, but cut it to clear the spring and pushrod bolt. I also rounded most of the edges to make it more safe when I have my head up in there. I threaded the bracket with 1/2-20 thread so that I only need to use one jam nut to tighten it in place. That makes it a lot easier to set in place and more sturdy too. After I finsished it, I took the car for another test drive and my generator suddenly started working for no reason. Weird. Everything works well enough to drive now. Time to set up an appointment at the DMV so that I can do a VIN verification. It has a California title, but it hasn't been registered since 1990 so it fell out of the system.

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Scored today. Got a set of dog dish caps for the car for a very reasonable price! Anyone know how hard and expensive is it to re-plate the centers on these?



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Powerflite - 2016-10-27 5:21 PM

Scored today. Got a set of dog dish caps for the car for a very reasonable price! Anyone know how hard and expensive is it to re-plate the centers on these?


Great score! It wasn't actual electroplate. It was a gold "coating", or paint. Lacquer thinner or paint remover will take it right off!

I wish Neil could chime in here! He did research on what this coating was. Same as what was used on the Q panel shields and lances.

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Thanks for the info Greg, and thanks a lot for selling me the Lancer emblems. I put them in place temporarily and they really do transform the look of the car! I also replaced the tired lenses on the car. I was surprised at how much cheaper they are than the Chrysler & DeSoto lenses. I also removed the rusted rear exhaust pipe, but kept the good section from the muffler forward and turned it out to the side to make it easy without spending a lot of money and effort on the exhaust right now.

Apparently there is a guy in LA that can selectively plate these things in gold. I am going to take a look at my friend's car who had it done and check out how well it comes out. But the next thing I am working on is to replace the trunk lid with the one I got from John. It needs some work before it can go on, unfortunately, but not too difficult.

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She's looking great! Is that the same car that sat next to a small lake north of Dodger stadium for a long time?
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Scored today. Got a set of dog dish caps for the car for a very reasonable price! Anyone know how hard and expensive is it to re-plate the centers on these?


Nathan, remove the old color first, then get some yellow toner from the paint store, along with some urethane clearcoat. Put several drops of toner into several ounces of clear, mix well, then try a sample on a piece of tin foil. Add toner until the desired gold is achieved, then use Scotch-Brite to scuff the knight's heads, and spray directly on. The more coats the darker the color.

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Thanks Paul. I'm not sure, but maybe not. I bought it from a guy in Whittier. He had it only a couple years and the last person to register it, lived just North of Napa valley.

Thanks for the tip John. I'll give that a try and see how it goes.
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Good score on the hubcaps! Four '57s and one '58.
Gold plate will give it a super shiny look, you can get about the same from a gold lacquer sold at Hobby Lobby.

Bus station men's rooms? Well, if they have beer...

Here are a couple of images of my Minty green car to whet your appetite!

http://www.forwardlook.net/forums/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=40731&posts=55&start=1

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Are you saying that the '58 cap didn't have gold knights and had a black background around it instead?

Thanks for the link. Your car looks awesome! I am really jealous. Do you know where I can get re-pops of the exhaust deflectors that mount to the bumper?
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Powerflite - 2016-11-02 12:39 AM

Thanks for the info Greg, and thanks a lot for selling me the Lancer emblems. I put them in place temporarily and they really do transform the look of the car! .


Oh, yeah, they bring the car to life!! Seems silly! But they really do.

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Rustoleum has the best gold paint. their new metallic.

Bright like the original.
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Posted 2016-11-03 8:51 AM (#525151 - in reply to #520945)
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Probably gunna copy your brake light switch idea.

I vote for Black with Red. Makes all the FL cars look sinister...
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Powerflite - 2016-11-02 10:19 PM

Are you saying that the '58 cap didn't have gold knights and had a black background around it instead?

Thanks for the link. Your car looks awesome! I am really jealous. Do you know where I can get re-pops of the exhaust deflectors that mount to the bumper?


You are correct, Nathan. The '58 hub caps (like the standard wheel covers) did not have a gold helmet and instead had a black background in the circular area surrounding the helmet. If you wanted to go stock, you wouldn't even have to worry about gold plating this or gold painting that. The black background is much easier to paint-match!  There was somebody re-popping those deflectors recently - good price too!
http://www.forwardlook.net/forums/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=62999&posts=2&highlight=deflector&highlightmode=1#M520901

 

Most '58 Dodges had Eggshell-painted wheels with a gray center.  However, cars equipped with hub caps (and perhaps others) could have body-color painted wheels.  In your case, this would still be Eggshell.  However, if you wanted to paint your car Mint Green and have hub caps, you could paint your wheels Mint Green with some reasonable expectation the factory would have done the same.

 

Also, with two-toning on '58 Dodges, you could go with a standard two-tone, deluxe two-tone, saddle two-tone (requires different trim), or even the Regal two-tone (requires a heck of a lot of different and unobtainable trim).  My car was originally a deluxe two-tone, but I switched it to a saddle two-tone by adding Spring Special trim.  The saddle may also be accomplished with the '57 rear-quarter trim.  It looks like your photoshop sets are all going to the deluxe two-toning (which is great), but it might be worth looking at all the options - save Regal two-toning. 



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Posted 2016-11-04 2:04 AM (#525244 - in reply to #525168)
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Thanks Diesel, but red is out of the question. I am really liking the green. But it definitely won't stay all-white as it was born. That is just too boring.

Thanks for the link Mike. I found the exhaust tips under the seller vansautollc, still for sale. Sweet. I want to flatten/oval the pipe so that I can extend it into the deflector farther to prevent exhaust soot from getting between it and the bumper. That's the plan anyway. I may have to modify that pipe mount a bit. That's why I don't want expensive originals, but these re-pops ain't cheap either.

I am not familiar with the standard two-tone. Would that be to only paint the roof a different color, or what does it look like?

As far as converting to a saddle two-tone, I really like the color combo of that style, but I also really like the positioning of the emblem at the end of the trim on the deluxe two-tone. Gives the car a nice flair, even if the color isn't as nicely proportioned. So I am undecided. But currently, I don't have the trim for a '57 style treatment, so the default is what I have.
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Hi, Nathan - yes, the standard two-tone is just the roof, which is a bit more unusual to see these days. There is nothing wrong with the deluxe two-tone - I like it too! The deluxe two-tone is probably the most commonly seen two-tone treatment on a '58 Dodge, and there is probably a good reason for its popularity!

You and Greg are right - the Lancer emblems really make it pop! Standard two-tone seen below:




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Posted 2016-11-24 1:47 AM (#527042 - in reply to #525269)
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Thanks for letting me pick your brain Mike, you're awesome.

I bought a really nice set of hood ornaments and got them installed and finally got it registered. Now I can drive it around *legally* But I'm quickly losing what's left of my steering wheel to the floor pan. Looks like I am going to have to spend the money to get it recast if I can't find a good replacement. The tires on this car are only temporary until I can purchase a new set. I stole these off my '57 Windsor.



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I have been working on the new trunk lid that I got from John. I welded up all the letter & trim holes since this was from a '57 CRL. It also had a small amount of rust damage on the underside of it that I have mostly fixed. Still needs a little bit more work and I need to make a template to drill the holes for the Dodge emblem, but I should finish it up on Thanksgiving weekend.

It has these 4 holes on the underside of it for some reason. Are these done by a previous owner or were these used for some dealer accessory that mounts to the underside of the trunk lid? I guess I will just weld them back in.



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trunklids on these cars are no fun... rust just keeps going and going around the bottoms.

I did pour mine full of por15 when I got done and opened up the drain holes real good.
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Dodge is looking nice Nathan!
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Thanks Matt and Mike.

I got tired of driving it with parts of the steering wheel falling off into my lap, and holding onto the bare wire. So I installed this Chrysler wheel until I can either recast my old one, or get a different wheel. I bought this wheel from Fall Fling in October for a whopping $10. Not a perfect match in color, but close enough and should work well until I can get the right wheel in there.



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Posted 2016-12-16 6:35 PM (#528913 - in reply to #520945)
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yikes the 10$ guy got annihilated
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I know that steering wheel! Looks good in there. Nathan and I did several passes with that seller. He scored a cart full of fun, I walked away with a Highway Hi-Fi for $40.
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Posted 2016-12-16 10:00 PM (#528924 - in reply to #528916)
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Yes, that was a good day! My Coronet scored 2 rear speaker grilles as well. How's the Hi-Fi coming along?
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Posted 2016-12-18 1:47 AM (#529015 - in reply to #525151)
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I vote for Black with Red. Makes all the FL cars look sinister...

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Sinister ? Why would anyone want their 58 Dodge to look "sinister" ?

How about elegant ? Harry Truman had a nice 58 Dodge coupe.

Or you could paint it all brown. Makes any car look like a turd !

Mopar Geezer would approve !
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Posted 2016-12-20 3:24 PM (#529303 - in reply to #520945)
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I want to convert this car to run a 4bbl, but the intake manifold is setup for the small WCFB. After digging through my garage, I found an NOS rebuilt carb that I had picked up for my '56 Plymouth back in 2003. The number on the box is 14-18 by Champion Re-builders. This carb looks like it is made for this intake, but would I be better off machining the intake for an AVS carb from a 340 instead that I know I will like? Does anyone have first hand experience with these carbs that can tell me if I should use it or not?



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Posted 2016-12-20 3:28 PM (#529305 - in reply to #520945)
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Oh, and by the way, that brass vacuum setup is going to be used to convert to a PCV setup. I don't like using the downdraft tube, it creates too much oil vapors that are obnoxious when sitting, idling at a light. But with a larger, newer carb, I could connect the PCV to the base of the carb instead, which would be better too.
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Powerflite - 2016-09-12 5:11 PM

It is looking like this one is going to get some buzzard puke on it too. The wife approves the mint/white w/whitewall combo, but I think I prefer the charcoal/mint w/dog dishes. The wife says darker green/black makes it look like an army jeep! So I guess that one is out. I'm looking forward to the day your buzzard starts busting those boulevards again.


This was my old car , couple of owners after I restored it added the Gold bling and wheels?

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And I gratuitously spewed green goo all over it without even blinking an eye. Sorry Looks like you shouldn't have gotten rid of it. Pretty nice little cruiser even after it got touched by king Midas.

My car received some new shoes this week. 255/275x60 series tires on 15x8 wheels with zero offset. I decided that what I liked most about the '58 Dodge is that it seems to be the Forwardlook muscle car; much more-so than the other brands. So I am going for a '50's muscle car look and I am going to paint the top black to match the wheels. I was originally going to put some trim rings onto them as well, but I thought they ruined the look so I took them back off. I really like the gold knight on the black background so I am going to paint the one silver odd-ball gold to match the others (hopefully). The rear tires fit perfectly and you probably couldn't go much bigger unless you move the springs inward. The front rims contacted the front corners of the '99 Dodge truck brake calipers a little bit so I ground the corners of the calipers down a bit to clear. Other than that, they fill very well too.



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Here is what the car looks like now with these on.



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Nice wheels I always wondered what the Dog Dish caps would look like on my 57 2dr sedan that I'm currently working on. The 15" Wheels do fit …………. nice as I was doubting that even after reading that the famous 57 2dr 354 cu in/dual 4bbl ran 15" tires. I seen a set of hubcaps like this on epay a while back are yours the ones?
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Probably not. I bought a single one on ebay from someone local, and met the guy in person to pick it up. Turned out he had 5 that he sold me.
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I know how excited you are being able to drive it as none of of mine have ever gotten to the paint stage. Hell, the one I'm driving now hasn't even received a windshield. lol If you want to see original door panel colors take off the door trim to expose the top part of the panel. I have a couple of those dog dish caps but that style didn't come on a '59. Keep up the hard work!!!
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I love it, Nathan! That's exactly how I did my hub caps - the best of both worlds!

The images are not very good, but the caps are done exactly the same way...

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Posted 2017-01-09 2:53 PM (#530919 - in reply to #530901)
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Yeah, Dorsey, life is too short to wait to enjoy it! But of all my vehicles, this one will get painted first. Mainly because it requires the least body work to complete and really needs some other colors on it. Once I get the trunk weatherstripping channel fixed, I will go ahead and paint the top & fins black - maybe even before fixing the trunk floor. But in the meantime, let's go for a ride!

Mike: Great minds think alike The black background on the '58 version makes it look a lot better IMO.
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I think that car would look pretty tough in all-black! Whatever you decide to do will look great. It's coming along very nicely.

I see you have a Dodge, Plymouth, Desoto, Chrysler, and Valiant. If you have an Imperial, you'd have all the Mopar makes under one roof, quite an accomplishment.
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Digging that all black ^^^^ with the Dog Dishs. darn Nathan, I wish I had your work ethic . . . . when you get a new ride, you really go to work on it. And those new shoes really look great. Regretfully I have done nothing with the Highway HiFi yet, just living vicariously through you.
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As a Lad I owned a used all black 57 Coronet Lancer D500 3spd column, which I owned for several mo until I got sick then Dad sold it. Mine had white walls & Lancer spinners. The Lancer wheel cover was a hot item stolen often from cars around dance halls!
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I must admit that all black looks REALLY good. What kind of caps is he using though? Very odd looking. I have ruled out creating the pastel green cream-puff that my wife likes. I decided that I just don't care to have a '58 Dodge in these light pastels. My current plans are a dark green and black, but I could go for a black and white, all black or something else entirely.

My Dodge Lancer isn't quite a Valiant, and I have no aspirations to obtain an Imperial either so sorry, the complete brand thing isn't going to happen. Dave, I am spending my time buying wheels because I can't get much work done with this weird weather. I hope it lets up soon or I may go broke! But the extra water here is a nice change.

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Posted 2017-01-10 3:46 PM (#531025 - in reply to #520945)
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Sorry, it was a quicky photoshop I did of a Coronet and some dog dish caps. Apparently from a '65 Galaxie.



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Powerflite
Posted 2017-01-10 4:33 PM (#531033 - in reply to #531025)
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Nice, that makes more sense now.

Powerflite - 2017-01-10 11:03 AM
... I'm trying to picture how whitewalls & spinners would look on an all-black car...


And there you have it!
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Posted 2017-01-15 12:06 PM (#531404 - in reply to #520945)
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I installed lap belts & replaced the muffler in the car yesterday. The last work to do before moving on to working on the New Yorker. Once the front seat foam stops disintegrating under it, I will paint the floor and install a carpet in there. but this car has become a pretty nice driver so I am going to enjoy it for a little while.
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horace
Posted 2017-01-17 1:17 PM (#531569 - in reply to #520945)
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Photo shop guys, please do a dark blue silver fins roof like the 58 brochure shows thanks
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Posted 2017-01-17 4:29 PM (#531594 - in reply to #531569)
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How is this? Silver is a tough color to photoshop because it doesn't get the same sparkle, but this is about the right shade, I think.



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Posted 2017-01-19 1:25 PM (#531785 - in reply to #520945)
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Thank you, always loved the 57's but the dark blue & silver 58s are a super favorite.
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Posted 2017-01-19 3:00 PM (#531789 - in reply to #520945)
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that light green white, and dark blue/silver are sweet.

DONT DO THAT ARMY STAFF CAR! no no no
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Posted 2017-01-21 5:27 AM (#531925 - in reply to #531594)
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Powerflite: A nice job you did with Photoshop!

Impressive how a color affects the aspect of a car. A low-cost way for evaluation.

When upholtery adapted as well it would look as "real".  - SERGE -



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uncltank
Posted 2017-02-18 2:51 PM (#534273 - in reply to #520945)
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Nathan, My plan is to put dog dish caps on my '57 Sierra wagon. What wheels are you using that are 15x8 and will take the dog dish caps?
The wheels I found local are to small in the center, the caps are loose... Also, what brand tires, those look great...
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Posted 2017-02-18 4:47 PM (#534290 - in reply to #534273)
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Here is a better picture of the wheels.

The wheels are Wheel Vintiques original Chrysler style 63 series. I purchased them through Summit Racing. These wheels are made for the '60's cars, but you can use them with the older caps if you get some small 1/2" OD spacers and weld them to the mounting nubs on the wheels. This spaces them out perfectly to fit the bigger caps. Make sure you re-balance your wheel afterward, but as long as you don't go crazy with the welding, it shouldn't affect your balance too much. The tires are Cooper Cobra's. They have a really cool snake embossed on the black side of the tire that looks pretty cool. I am pretty happy with this setup, and it gives me the look I was hoping for.



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Posted 2017-02-18 10:41 PM (#534312 - in reply to #520945)
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Thanks for the info... They really look good
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Posted 2017-07-23 11:14 AM (#544669 - in reply to #520945)
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I picked up a steering wheel that is in much better shape than my original, but still needed a lot of repair. Koch's told me that it was too far gone to repair with their resin filler and they don't have a mold for it. Drat. They charge half of what other people want for a newly molded wheel. I would have paid them at their price level, but not at the $1200 point that others want. So I decided to fix it myself like I did to my '57 Windsor wheel. That wheel has held up very well over the last 5 yrs or so in the heat of the sun so I was very pleased with the results. To repair this, I sanded the entire top portion down really well, and inside all the cracks to loosen whatever was going to come off and provide a good surface for the filler. Then I *pressed* Duraglass into all the cracks with my fingers and smoothed it out as much as possible. Duraglass is bondo with fiberglass filler. It dries much harder than regular bondo and can hold it's shape better when used in thicker amounts. Seems to work well for this application. After sanding it is looking much better. It needs a second application to get areas that I didn't apply enough material, but after that, I will seal it with a good primer. I decided to not paint this the stock turquoise colors. I will paint the top a light green color to match my dash and leave the bottom black, just like Rosie's wheel.



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Posted 2017-08-18 11:19 AM (#546469 - in reply to #520945)
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I finished repairing my new steering wheel. It isn't as good as having a newly re-cast wheel, but this one really didn't cost me anything; and $1300 is just outside my price limit for these things. I also added a new horn ring since mine was quite pitted and I painted it up too. I think this is a '57 style horn ring, but oh well, can't have everything. I had some interference between the inside ring mount and the bottom inside of the wheel. Not sure why, unless it is because of a difference between '57 and '58. But I filed the sharp edges off the ring mount and ground down the inside of the wheel a little to make it work. I also had to grind a flat on the horn switch so it would clear too. Weird that my '58 wheel didn't seem to need it.

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Posted 2017-08-18 4:22 PM (#546492 - in reply to #520945)
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Don't sell yourself short. That wheel looks fantastic!
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Posted 2017-08-18 8:15 PM (#546510 - in reply to #520945)
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Thanks Marc! It'll be great to finally get a Dodge wheel back on the car. The Chrysler wheel is a little too deep to be comfortable in the Dodge. I didn't know there was a difference in depth before I tried it on there.
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Posted 2017-08-19 10:42 AM (#546528 - in reply to #520945)
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Nice work on that steering wheel!!
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Posted 2017-08-24 6:42 PM (#546935 - in reply to #520945)
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Thanks John, I attempted to install it, but soon realized that it was missing the horn contact ring on the bottom of it! Doh! How does that even get removed? I am thinking I will make a steel plate and braze a brass coating to it to prevent it from rusting and to be able to solder the wire connection to it from the topside. After filing the brass flat, I will weld it to the hub of the steering wheel in 3 places. Seems like the best I can do, but it would have been nice to do it before all the paint work.....
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Posted 2017-08-24 10:11 PM (#546957 - in reply to #546935)
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Sweet work on that wheel, Nathan! That is one you can be proud of!
Beats the snap out of paying $1,300 cold hard American!
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Posted 2017-08-26 7:38 PM (#547091 - in reply to #546957)
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Thanks Mike! I like it too, but without the bottom horn ring contact, the wheel has a bunch of ribs that catch on the horn roller contact and causes no end of trouble. So I can't use it until I get that fixed. So I am playing musical wheels with it in the meantime....this time from a Plymouth I also installed a speedometer that works with a much nicer bezel on it and a right side mirror.



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Posted 2017-08-27 9:35 AM (#547121 - in reply to #547091)
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Ooo! The "CHP look"! Not bad....
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Posted 2017-08-27 10:38 AM (#547124 - in reply to #547121)
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I just need a gumball flasher, siren and dash mounted shotgun to go with it.
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Posted 2017-08-27 10:02 PM (#547164 - in reply to #547124)
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Nathan, you got me inspired! I am repainting the De Soto steering wheel now.
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Posted 2017-09-02 9:09 PM (#547600 - in reply to #547164)
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Go for it Mike! You really have nothing to lose. If you mess it up, you can still pay big bucks to get it re-molded.

I cut out a ring for my horn contact today. Then I brazed a layer of brass on the bottom side to help prevent corrosion and put a spot of brass on the top side too in order to solder the electrical wire to it. I ended up grinding through the brass in 2 spots, but it should be alright anyway because I will cover it with dielectric grease. After it was done, I layed it into the wheel and welded it to the center hub. I dowsed the plate after each weld to cool it and prevent the soldered wire from melting and coming loose. I don't normally recommend welding on a piece of rug, but I thought it was worth the risk to catch it on fire in order to save the paint. Hopefully there won't be any interference issues with the turn signal, but if so, I will just grind the welds down until all is good. But I don't think it will end up being that close. I would have put it on today, but I had my limit of heat exposure for the day so I will save it for later.



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Posted 2017-09-02 10:45 PM (#547608 - in reply to #520945)
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For future reference, this is the wiring on the back of the fuel & ammeter gauges, as well as the light switch wiring on my '58 Dodge.



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Posted 2017-09-03 10:02 AM (#547625 - in reply to #520945)
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I went to install the wheel and realized I really goofed. The way I have it setup, the horn is always connected to ground through the welds to the hub. So the original copper plate that is held by the hub must be electrically isolated somehow. I have no idea how I would do it here. Maybe I can cut the center hole extra large and epoxy it to the hub? Not sure how well that would hold it in place though. I am tempted to just put a button on the dash for the horn at this point.

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Posted 2017-09-03 10:50 AM (#547627 - in reply to #520945)
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Why not just install the correct part instead? They are not so hard to find, I might even have one here in a parts drawer.
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Posted 2017-09-03 11:02 AM (#547630 - in reply to #520945)
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Yes, David is correct.

The horn contact rings are removable, there is no such thing as a 'power steering' steering wheel, as many proclaim, they are all the same with the exception of the removable horn contact ring.
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Posted 2017-09-03 1:16 PM (#547637 - in reply to #547627)
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On my original wheel it is definitely not removeable. But I can't figure out how it isn't shorting out on the hub either??

If you have one of these I could install, I would be very thankful.
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Posted 2017-09-03 1:49 PM (#547643 - in reply to #547637)
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Powerflite - 2017-09-03 1:16 PM

On my original wheel it is definitely not removeable. But I can't figure out how it isn't shorting out on the hub either??
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If you have one of these I could install, I would be very thankful.


That brass ring is made to be removeable. It is cramped tight against the hub, but it comes out, that's for sure, unless your wheel was modified and not original.

The original brass ring has a smaller rubber ring inside the hole for the hub, so it does not short on the hub.


I will go in my garage right and try to find it.. I just hope I still have it. If I do find it, I will send it to you for the price of shipping only.
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Posted 2017-09-03 6:20 PM (#547672 - in reply to #547643)
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Thanks David!
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Posted 2017-09-03 6:59 PM (#547678 - in reply to #547672)
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Powerflite - 2017-09-03 6:20 PM

Thanks David!



Searched all over my garage, and I cannot find it!... I might have given it to a guy last year who wanted to do a conversion to power steering in his 1958 Dodge. Sorry! But Big M or someone else on this board should have one, they are not that rare.
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Posted 2017-09-03 7:50 PM (#547684 - in reply to #520945)
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that steering wheel looks perfect, great work! nice color combo too! love 58 dodges.
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Posted 2017-09-04 12:39 AM (#547704 - in reply to #547684)
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Thanks for looking David. I probably need to find one because I don't see how to make it work well doing a home-made approach.

Thanks Sid, I'll like it too once I can start to use it.
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