'55 Plaza Suburban arrives today
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Posted 2016-11-15 9:45 AM (#526294)
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The 1955 Plaza Suburban 2-door we bought sight unseen arrives today. I'm scared and excited at the same time. My first car was a '59 Coronet, but I haven't owned a Forward Look vehicle in almost 40 years. I'll probably have many questions. My first would be if the doors on coupes and 2-door wagons are the same.



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Posted 2016-11-15 10:33 AM (#526305 - in reply to #526294)
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71charger_fan - 2016-11-15 9:45 AM The 1955 Plaza Suburban 2-door we bought sight unseen arrives today. I'm scared and excited at the same time. My first car was a '59 Coronet, but I haven't owned a Forward Look vehicle in almost 40 years. I'll probably have many questions. My first would be if the doors on coupes and 2-door wagons are the same.


Nice (but either loose that woodgrain or add more - looks strange the way it is)

One the door issue I can't imagine that the doors would be different between the 2dr wagon and 2dr sedans, either in 55 or 56





In fact, the PNs for the front door shell assemblies for 1956 (and I assume 1955) 2dr Plymouths are the same for both the 2dr Club sedan and the 2dr suburban:

1657006 right
1657007 left

Case closed.
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Posted 2016-11-15 10:58 AM (#526306 - in reply to #526294)
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Very cool, Terrence! I hope it's as good as you're expecting. According to my Auto Interchange Systems book, the 1955 2-door
sedan and wagon doors are the same.

Post some photos when she arrives! Let us know your plans for her, too.
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Posted 2016-11-15 11:47 AM (#526314 - in reply to #526306)
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The seller bought it with primered quarters and paid an airbrush artist to get creative. I hope to put the two-tone, two-door side trim on it. Thanks for the info on the doors, I need a driver's door glass.

Is there a vendor that offers seat cover, carpet, and/or headliner kits for these cars?

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Posted 2016-11-15 2:22 PM (#526322 - in reply to #526294)
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It's here.



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Posted 2016-11-15 2:45 PM (#526325 - in reply to #526314)
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71charger_fan - 2016-11-15 11:47 AM The seller bought it with primered quarters and paid an airbrush artist to get creative. I hope to put the two-tone, two-door side trim on it. Thanks for the info on the doors, I need a driver's door glass.


The air brush work is very good. Just not enough of it. (OR too much )

I am not even close to being and expert but I have the 1956 all Chrysler parts manual and it says:

Front door glass for 2dr Club sedans and 2 dr wagons for the P28, P29, D60, D61 and D63 models are listed as being the PNs same left and right, PN 1592743 clear and 1592744 "Solex" (which I presume to be tinted).

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Posted 2016-11-15 2:47 PM (#526326 - in reply to #526294)
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Thanks for the parts lookups. If he'd carried the airbrushing another 15" forward, I'd probably keep it.
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Posted 2016-11-16 12:51 PM (#526386 - in reply to #526294)
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Nice! What do you have for a drive train in it? Six or V-8? Manual or automatic? 

If it were my car, I would get rid of the painted woodgrain trim - or go whole hog and do a full job. 

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Posted 2016-11-16 1:54 PM (#526388 - in reply to #526294)
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Just screwing some plywood on the sides would be a cheap visual fix
and hide any dents or rust issues.

Just trying to think outside the box here .....
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Posted 2016-11-16 5:37 PM (#526419 - in reply to #526388)
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Cool beans!

I like it. It would be interesting to see if someone could place real wood on one of these!
I hope it turns out to be everything you hoped for and more.
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Posted 2016-11-16 10:05 PM (#526438 - in reply to #526294)
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Flathead six, three on the tree. I'm thinking of a 12-volt conversion. I have the car, but am still waiting on the title. Once I get it registered, I'm going to get estimates on some rocker panel and lower front fender rust repair. We're looking g at color chips and will likely change the color when we lose the fake woodgrain. I'll have to change the upholstery too. It's blue, but really ugly blue.
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Posted 2016-11-16 11:13 PM (#526440 - in reply to #526438)
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71charger_fan - 2016-11-16 10:05 PM

Flathead six, three on the tree. I'm thinking of a 12-volt conversion.


My first car was a 1955 Canadian Dodge Regent 4 dr sedan (think Plymouth Belvedere with a Dodge front clip) Flathead six, 3 on the tree. I got it in 1967 from my Dad when turned 16. He had bought it in 1956. We used it for lots of camping trips. First with a tent and later pulling a 14 ft 1953 Terry trailer (slept 5, ice box, 24" apartment size propane stove (cook top, oven and broiler). And my Mum loaded that thing to the gunnels. Some how the old Dodge managed (mostly) even when going from Regina Saskatchewan to Vancouver BC through the mountains. Not that there weren't some "incidents". One that comes to mind was going over the Teton Pass (I think between Idaho and Montana??) anyway, very steep, very switch backy. At one point, me being the 10 year old kid standing in the back seat, helping my Dad drive, I blurt out after one switch back, "Dad, Dad, put it in first! Put it in first!!" He says, "It is". Oh god. Basically we came to a halt on the steep grade. We got out of it thanks to some guy in a half ton who hooked on to the Dodge with a chain and got my Dad to jack-knife the trailer so it wasn't a dead pull when they started up the grade again. He towed us to the top of the pass and we stopped and unchained. Thanked him and he was on this way. Did I say the brakes faded (badly) on the decent? (Trailer had electric brakes). Had to stop and let them (both the car and the trailer brakes) cool down before we finally made it to Jackson Hole.

Just a story about a flat head six that could (mostly). When I had it, it was high school Grade 11 and 12 and then 4 years of university. Served me well. Hated the 6V battery in the winter. Not enough umph even with a block heater, etc.

One thing that I remember that I had to do often, was to tighten the nut on the shift linkage on top of the transmission (at least that is the way I remember it). I can't remember jacking the car up at all (probably did - no jack stand for sure) and then sliding under the car on my back and reaching up with the wrench (9/16"?) and tightening that shift linkage nut. Thinking about it now, I have no clue as to whether there was a lock washer involved. Now a days, I would install a Nyloc nut *and* a lock washer and be done with it. (Which is probably the point of this whole story. ) I still have that 9/16" wrench and have been using it on my "new" 56 Dodge Custom Royal D-500. Z



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Posted 2016-11-17 8:40 AM (#526469 - in reply to #526294)
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The roof racks lasted mere minutes after the car arrived. I didn't throw them away, but they're off the car.
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Posted 2016-11-20 2:18 PM (#526704 - in reply to #526294)
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I just came to the realization that this car is positive ground. I was going to convert o 12V anyway, so I'll probably install a whole new harness and switch it to 12V negative ground.
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Posted 2016-11-20 4:52 PM (#526717 - in reply to #526704)
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71charger_fan - 2016-11-20 2:18 PM I just came to the realization that this car is positive ground. I was going to convert o 12V anyway, so I'll probably install a whole new harness and switch it to 12V negative ground.


OOps.

When I went hunting for a early FL car I specifically wanted to avoid 55 because of the 6V positive ground thing. I focused on 56 because of the 12V negative ground and they would generally likely still fit into my 1942 single car 12 x 20 garage.

I met a guy selling a 55 Custom Royal 2 dr Lancer that I might have been able to live with: He had installed a 2nd 6V battery on the right side of the engine bay (there is room). In parallel with the original 6V battery. So still 6V but twice the cranking amps. Starts like a champ.



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Posted 2016-11-22 2:25 PM (#526865 - in reply to #526294)
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Finally got the title processed, got plates and insurance, and was legal to drive. Of course, the battery was flat. I eventually coaxed it to life and drove it around the neighborhood a couple of times. The ride is surprisingly smooth and the handling is, as expected, a little iffy. But, once I get it rewired, I think it'll be a fun cruiser. But, it was fun to finally move it out of the garage.
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Posted 2016-11-27 4:40 PM (#527285 - in reply to #526865)
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Pulled these plugs yesterday. Who knows how long it's been since it's seen a tune up. Was going to do plug wires but was stumped by that wire tray that runs under the coil. Do I have to pull the boot off to get the wire out then fish a new wire through and install the boot in the car?



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Posted 2016-12-01 7:42 PM (#527691 - in reply to #527285)
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My HEI distributor arrived today. My new wiring harness has been here a couple of days. I'm still waiting on my alternator, bracket, and 12V solenoid.



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Posted 2016-12-05 10:08 PM (#527978 - in reply to #526294)
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Yesterday, I scored a driver's door with glass, upper dash, lower dash with gauges, grill, armrests, knuckles, and a steering wheel for $300.
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Posted 2016-12-05 11:33 PM (#527984 - in reply to #527978)
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The stock deluxe wheel for a '55 Plymouth is the white "Hollywood" plastic wheel, like this one. '56 got a black colored version of this.



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Posted 2016-12-06 7:40 AM (#528003 - in reply to #526294)
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Since mine is a Plaza, there was nothing deluxe on it. I like that wheel but I think I prefer the Mayflower center.
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Posted 2016-12-06 11:55 AM (#528019 - in reply to #526294)
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Great Plymouth! The door glass is easy. When I sent my 54 Dodge to the body shop, they lost the driver's side glass and cracked the passenger side. I took the cracked passenger side pane to a local glass shop and they cut a new pair for me... easy since they are flat.

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Posted 2016-12-07 5:52 PM (#528140 - in reply to #528019)
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The sorry state of what currently passes for a wiring harness on this thing.



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Posted 2016-12-15 12:52 PM (#528784 - in reply to #528140)
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Found a few NOS lenses. I just ordered a grill piece to replace my dented one out of a salvage yard in Texas.



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Posted 2016-12-23 11:04 AM (#529610 - in reply to #526294)
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I drained the oil out of it the other day. It was black and sludgy. I put in some NAPA high mileage 10W-30 and ran it until it got warm. I then drained that out and refilled it again with fresh oil. Even though it was a running car, I had no idea what, if any, maintenance it had before I got it. I let it idle yesterday until it was hot. I'll probably drain and refill it one more time before I call the oil change done.
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Posted 2016-12-23 12:52 PM (#529620 - in reply to #526294)
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Get some marvel mystery oil put some in the fuel tank and some in the engine to see if that will help. Do not feel bad my '61 ran hot for a while and 1 of the start ups I put the marvel mystery oil in the engine and did a monthly start up and I let the car run for about 10-15 minuites and shut it off. I also put this in the fuel tank also. I also do not burn the cheap low grade fuel also. I use the 93 and I keep a bottle of ethanol treatment in the car ( I use the lucas and you can get it at you local auto parts store or walmart. )
Shell has the most additives in their premuim to help clean the engine and fuel system of your car and if you are a fuel rewards member from shell when you fill up with the 93 the next fill up you get .10 off a gallon this is only until the 1st of the year.
I hope this helps out Good luck to you with the car
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Posted 2016-12-23 5:39 PM (#529644 - in reply to #529620)
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You need to run a high zinc content oil or you could swipe out a camshaft. Brad Penn oil is what most people are using for flat tappet camshafts. Most people are not even aware that these cars need a high zinc content oil. FYI
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Posted 2016-12-23 6:21 PM (#529645 - in reply to #526294)
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I drained it again this afternoon. The oil was very dirty, but it at least looked like oil instead of liquified coal. Fortunately, through the end of the year, NAPA has some really good oil specials.
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Posted 2016-12-27 8:22 AM (#529833 - in reply to #529645)
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Started my 12V conversion/rewiring yesterday. I had to order a curved upper alternator bracket as the original generator bracket doesn't work with the alternator.



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Posted 2016-12-27 8:32 AM (#529834 - in reply to #526294)
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Nice work... love 55/56 wagons!

Like Dorsey said make sure you use a high zinc oil like Brad Penn Grade 1, that's what I use in my older cars.
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Posted 2016-12-30 9:35 AM (#530043 - in reply to #529833)
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HEI distributor went in yesterday. Had to mount it with the vacuum advance on the bottom to clear the engine block.



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Posted 2016-12-30 12:46 PM (#530051 - in reply to #530043)
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Nice. Electronic ignition is the best upgrade you can make to the motor. What year & motor is the distributor from and what modifications did you have to make to it?
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Posted 2016-12-30 4:55 PM (#530065 - in reply to #530051)
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Powerflite - 2016-12-30 10:46 AM Nice. Electronic ignition is the best upgrade you can make to the motor.


Yes, but they do not like excessive heat, carrying a spare module with you is a good idea, ..........ask me how I know this.

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Posted 2016-12-30 9:48 PM (#530081 - in reply to #526294)
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I bought the distributor from Landon's Stovebolt. It uses modules, caps, and rotors from an '80s S-10 2.8 V6.
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Posted 2016-12-31 11:25 AM (#530113 - in reply to #526294)
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Posted 2017-01-04 10:38 PM (#530453 - in reply to #526294)
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Pulled the dash today and was surprised to find it has a mechanical oil pressure gauge. I gave up on trying to rewire it with the dash installed.
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71charger_fan - 2017-01-04 8:38 PM Pulled the dash today and was surprised to find it has a mechanical oil pressure gauge. I gave up on trying to rewire it with the dash installed.


Pictures please ..........but only if possible, not inconvenient, or bothersome. Thanks.

PS: not sure if this link will work, a guy on the 55-56 dodge/plymouth Face Book site is doing the same thing, being old I find the face book format confusing and fustrating but good pictures sometimes.  

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Posted 2017-01-05 10:37 AM (#530484 - in reply to #530480)
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Old Ray - 2017-01-05 9:56 AM not sure if this link will work, a guy on the 55-56 dodge/plymouth Face Book site is doing the same thing, being old I find the face book format confusing and frustrating but good pictures sometimes.


LOL. There's a "format" on the Facebook 55-56 site? I thought it was random shotgun scatterings. The whole facebook "experience" is like catching a disease called "Attention Deficit Syndrome". Hurts my old brain.

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Posted 2017-01-05 3:50 PM (#530521 - in reply to #530484)
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Got the dash torn apart. The radio tubes were toast, but, since it's positive ground, it doesn't matter anyway. I ordered a radio delete plate off of Ebay. That radio had to have been half the weight of the dash panel. I pulled the headlight wiring through today. I'm waiting for the proper crimper to come from American Autowire for the doubled terminals. Starter and alternator wiring, except the grounds, is done. I'm not looking forward to pulling the tail light wiring.



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Posted 2017-01-05 5:07 PM (#530532 - in reply to #526294)
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That's an interesting place to put your fuse panel. I would have put it above the left kick panel.
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Posted 2017-01-05 8:55 PM (#530559 - in reply to #526294)
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I needed to put it somewhere I could see it to check/replace fuses. With the dash in, that was about the only place I could find that didn't interfere with the parking brake or vent mechanisms. Now, with the dash out, I might relocate it. There's what would be a perfect place on the firewall to the left of the steering column but, when I test fit it, the parking brake mechanism would have crushed it with the brake released.
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Posted 2017-01-05 9:32 PM (#530561 - in reply to #530521)
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What wiring harness/relay/fuse box are you using for this conversion (6V pos to 12V neg). BTW don't forget about your fan and wiper motors.

This one?

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Posted 2017-01-06 9:11 AM (#530598 - in reply to #526294)
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I'm using an American Autowire Highway 15 harness. I liked that it wasn't pre-soldered into the fuse box making it easier to pull wires. I was planning on putting resistors in line feeding into the heater and wiper switches so those motors will continue to see 6V. Unless I turn up some 12V motors from a '56.

http://www.americanautowire.com/shop/american-autowire/highway-15-w...

I bought the Harness from Summit so I saved about $40 off American Autowire's direct sale price.
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Posted 2017-01-06 2:33 PM (#530631 - in reply to #530559)
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71charger_fan - 2017-01-05 5:55 PM
There's what would be a perfect place on the firewall to the left of the steering column but, when I test fit it, the parking brake mechanism would have crushed it with the brake released.


That's where mine is mounted in the '56 Plaza and no problem with interference from the hand brake.

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Posted 2017-01-07 8:49 AM (#530681 - in reply to #526294)
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I'll probably relocate mine to the same location. Assuming I won't hit it with my leg when working the clutch.
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Today, I was going to pull the new wires to the tail lights and pulled off the interior side panel in the back. I thought they stuffed the area with insulation. When I got a whiff of it, I realized I had a giant mouse nest to remove. Fortunately, it appeared the tenants had moved out long ago. I wish now I'd taken a photo before I started pulling it out, but it almost completely filled the cavity from the inner wheelhouse back to the tail light and up to the level of the windows. I filled a kitchen trash bag pulling it out. Gross. I'm going to have to get in there and scrub the area then I'll probably get some POR-15 to seal the surfaces.
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Posted 2017-01-11 9:19 PM (#531128 - in reply to #531124)
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71charger_fan - 2017-01-11 6:22 PM I'm going to have to get in there and scrub the area then I'll probably get some POR-15 to seal the surfaces.


Humm, in Alberta the deer mouse poop carries a bad bug, but I didn't see you location (charger fan?), maybe just spray some cleaner and wear a dust mask?
Here is some some fun reading for you;

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"Hantavirus is carried by some mice and may be transmitted through contact with their droppings. Most cases occur in the spring during cleaning when people may breathe in air borne particles.

Early symptoms are similar to the flu, but can quickly develop into severe breathing problems and in some cases hantavirus infection can be fatal.
The incidence of the hantavirus and the risk it poses to the public is low. However, particularly in the spring, when the weather improves and people spend more time outdoors and doing spring cleaning, remember to keep any risk to a minimum and take precautions to avoid hantavirus infection.

The only confirmed carrier of the hantavirus in Alberta is the deer mouse (reddish-brown or in some cases grey, but always with white fur on the underside of the neck, belly, feet, and tail). However, it is possible that other rodents may carry the virus and it is not always easy to determine what kind of mouse one is exposed to (particularly when the only evidence is droppings). The virus does not appear to have any effect on mice which carry it.

All rodents should be treated as potential carriers.
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Posted 2017-01-12 2:27 AM (#531139 - in reply to #531128)
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Sounds more like a pack rat.
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71charger_fan
Posted 2017-01-12 8:32 PM (#531196 - in reply to #531139)
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I had to pull out the left headlight bucket to drill out the hole for the wires to a larger size and put in a grommet. Getting five wires through the stock-size hole was going to be too tight. I had a Dorman light socket on the shelf that fit perfectly into the back of the stock parking light. Now, I have to buy another for the other side.



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Posted 2017-01-12 8:48 PM (#531198 - in reply to #526294)
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I don't know why I had not seen that thread before today!

That is a really cool wagon you got there! Keep the photos coming!
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71charger_fan
Posted 2017-01-17 2:59 PM (#531584 - in reply to #531198)
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I finally had to give up on the idea of keeping the original one-piece plastic headliner and yanked it out today to make rewiring the back of the car easier. There was another, smaller mouse nest at the top of the windshield and a third in the passenger quarter panel. After I got the headliner out, I had a lot of gross crap to vacuum up.



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Posted 2017-01-18 6:26 AM (#531641 - in reply to #526294)
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Eeechhh! Glad you got the mice out! Nasty stuff. She's getting better all the time!
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71charger_fan
Posted 2017-01-18 1:23 PM (#531666 - in reply to #526294)
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Smelling better, that's for sure. I'm thinking of going with the 8-bow headliner that Newstalgia sells. Gets expensive when you have to also buy bows.

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Posted 2017-01-21 8:33 PM (#531969 - in reply to #531666)
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Took forever to wire in the right front park lamp/turn signal today as my supervisor felt the need to closely inspect everything.




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71charger_fan
Posted 2017-01-23 8:58 AM (#532099 - in reply to #531969)
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I went with Sylvania Xtra Vision headlights. I needed a 12V horn, so I pulled an extra '71 horn off the shelf and mated it to a bracket from an '87 Lancer which I drilled and tapped. I'm still trying to decide which disc brake conversion to go with so I wired the brake light circuit with extra wire so the switch can be moved around if necessary. My graveyard of old wiring is still growing, but, at this point, almost all of the old wiring is out now. The "boss" continues to oversee progress.



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71charger_fan
Posted 2017-01-25 8:35 PM (#532343 - in reply to #532099)
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Pulled the upper metal dash which was badly peeling to give it a coat of satin black. Having that out of the way made it easier to mount a couple of resistors for the 6V wiper and blower motors.



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71charger_fan
Posted 2017-01-31 8:09 PM (#532842 - in reply to #532343)
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I stripped all the gauges out of the dash panel for painting and installed the electronic voltage reducers on the temp and gas gauges.



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71charger_fan
Posted 2017-02-07 4:14 PM (#533456 - in reply to #532842)
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Had a nice warm day today. I couldn't let that go to waste. Got the dash panel painted, the steering wheel painted, headlight bezels and some of the dash trim painted. Also swapping the painted tail light bezels for stainless ones I got from CTC Auto Ranch.



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Posted 2017-02-08 6:18 AM (#533506 - in reply to #526294)
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You are attacking this car! Love the updates--looking good!!
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71charger_fan
Posted 2017-02-15 2:25 PM (#534090 - in reply to #533506)
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I adapted a RetroSound 6 3/4" speaker with dual voice coils onto my original speaker bracket. Had to cut away some of the punched grill that was between the dash grill and the speaker to clear the tweeter bridge.



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71charger_fan
Posted 2017-02-17 8:57 AM (#534209 - in reply to #534090)
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I installed a bus bar on the passenger side of the steering column bracket. I'll run a fused accessory lead to that so I'll have a more convenient access point for powering any accessories I may add. Working around the "inspector" sticking his nose into everything added a level of difficulty.



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71charger_fan
Posted 2017-02-18 8:40 PM (#534309 - in reply to #534209)
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After several failed attempts, I finally got the glovebox door and ashtray front to take paint. Whatever textured finish they put on these parts in '55 did not react well with Rustoleum.



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71charger_fan
Posted 2017-02-20 7:27 PM (#534415 - in reply to #534309)
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Got the dash mostly reassembled. Still have to make up a single DIN radio faceplate for the Pioneer I'm putting in.



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71charger_fan
Posted 2017-02-20 7:30 PM (#534417 - in reply to #534415)
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I went added a second horn since I had a set from my '71 Charger parts stash.



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71charger_fan
Posted 2017-02-21 9:29 AM (#534445 - in reply to #534417)
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The original dome light fixture was a mess, so I'm using an LED fixture.




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71charger_fan
Posted 2017-02-21 4:01 PM (#534461 - in reply to #534445)
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I used the terminal block from the core support originally used for headlight wiring to make a ground distribution block. I've run a 10 ga. wire from the battery negative terminal to the block. Now I know I have a good ground. I ran a wire from this ground distribution block over to the passenger side kick panel area and installed a ground distribution block I grabbed off of Ebay. It's nice to have a location to where I know there's a good ground.




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71charger_fan
Posted 2017-02-22 9:26 AM (#534502 - in reply to #534461)
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Fortunately for me, the glovebox liner is being reproduced.




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71charger_fan
Posted 2017-02-22 8:19 PM (#534539 - in reply to #534502)
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I spent the day sanding and painting the interior trim. Some of it's pretty beat up from over 60 years in the back of a station wagon.



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71charger_fan
Posted 2017-02-23 4:30 PM (#534585 - in reply to #534539)
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I prepared a steel plate with a single DIN opening to mount over a spare radio faceplate so I can use a modern Pioneer radio with Bluetooth.




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71charger_fan
Posted 2017-02-24 4:35 PM (#534645 - in reply to #534585)
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I installed the new Pioneer into the modified radio plate today.




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Old Ray
Posted 2017-02-24 5:08 PM (#534647 - in reply to #534645)
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Thank you for posting.

Radio looks great.

I see that Gary S. did a double din in that same place and I would also like to do that for a back up camera (old bad neck) but it sure looks tight for space?

Reply is optional, thanks, Ray.
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71charger_fan
Posted 2017-02-24 9:13 PM (#534659 - in reply to #526294)
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I think I double DIN would probably fit fine. the original radio was huge.
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71charger_fan
Posted 2017-02-27 8:20 PM (#534847 - in reply to #534659)
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The oil pressure gauge hard line had a rubber section in it which was cracked and leaking like a sieve. I replaced that with a braided 3AN line. The worst part was having to pull the starter to get to the pressure port on the block.



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71charger_fan
Posted 2017-03-01 9:07 AM (#534934 - in reply to #534847)
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I disassembled the grill to replace a severely dented piece with an NOS piece I was lucky enough to turn up and put in another NOS piece I didn't really need but was cheap. Whoever repainted this car didn't take anything apart, so I repainted the grill brackets to eliminate the blue overspray.




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71charger_fan
Posted 2017-03-01 2:33 PM (#534963 - in reply to #534934)
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I taped off the ridges on the grill center to reshoot the grooves black.



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71charger_fan
Posted 2017-03-03 3:34 PM (#535088 - in reply to #534963)
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I did relocate the fuse block to the driver's side kick panel. Much easier once I got the whole dash out.



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71charger_fan
Posted 2017-03-03 3:36 PM (#535089 - in reply to #535088)
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I've also spent a lot of time putting convolute tubing around the wires to avoid chaffing and cutting.



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Posted 2017-03-05 2:24 PM (#535210 - in reply to #535089)
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Too cold in the garage this weekend, so I brought the grill pieces into the family room and assembled it inside where it's warm.



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56D500boy
Posted 2017-03-05 6:19 PM (#535218 - in reply to #534415)
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I wonder if you will like the Volt meter better than the AMP meter.

That speedo brings back memories. Like me being a 16 or 17 year old and getting my old 55 Dodge Regent (Canadian Plodge) flat head 6, 3 on the tree, up to 85 mph. At night. With at least three passengers. All of us could have died. What an idiot. At least it was Saskatchewan and the road was straight.



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71charger_fan
Posted 2017-03-05 8:07 PM (#535226 - in reply to #526294)
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I thought about putting a higher capacity amp meter in, as I felt sure the original ammeter couldn't handle the output of the new Delco alternator. However, from what I read, the voltmeter is much safer.
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71charger_fan
Posted 2017-03-06 4:10 PM (#535290 - in reply to #535226)
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I installed the grill on the car today as well as the headlight bezels and NOS turn signal lens.




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Posted 2017-03-06 7:33 PM (#535305 - in reply to #535290)
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Looking good. I just installed a cleaner/clearer park light lens in my 56 Dodge and it looks much better. Carry on the good work.

I like the fuse panel that you installed but I am a bit afraid of the work to install it.

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71charger_fan
Posted 2017-03-06 8:26 PM (#535308 - in reply to #526294)
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It's not difficult, just tedious. Would have been easier if I'd just yanked out the entire dashboard to start with. The American Autowire kit came with more than enough wire for everything but the right rear tail light and that's only because I have a wagon and had to route the wiring up and over the tailgate. The only circuit I needed that wasn't provided for was back up lights. I took power from a fused accessory port and ran it to the back up lamp switch, then ran power from the switch to the back up lamps which ground through their sockets. I did buy some extra wire for some of my own customization. I added two LED spot beams back by the tailgate wired to the dome lights as well as the added ground blocks. Plus extra wire to make up for the extra wire run distance in a wagon. While everything is torn apart, I'll run a few extra wires from behind the dash to different parts of the car but not hook them up to anything. Just have them available if I, or a future owner, decide to add accessories such as lights or amplifiers in the future.
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71charger_fan
Posted 2017-03-07 1:56 PM (#535362 - in reply to #535308)
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I forgot that, since I have a wagon with the two wire fuel sender, I also had to run an extra wire to the rear of the car for that second wire.
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Posted 2017-03-07 2:56 PM (#535364 - in reply to #535362)
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I've got the dash back in but now need to figure out why the wipers don't work.




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71charger_fan
Posted 2017-03-15 12:59 PM (#535996 - in reply to #535364)
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Just ordered a 12V starter for a '56. I saw it on Ebay for $323, but found it on that sellers retail website for $209 with free shipping. Although the 6V starter should work just fine on 12V, I have no way of knowing how old it is.
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71charger_fan
Posted 2017-03-17 8:12 PM (#536138 - in reply to #535996)
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The starter showed up today. I found this with an internet search for Prestolite 3410 and Prestolite MDG6001.



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71charger_fan
Posted 2017-04-01 9:39 PM (#537180 - in reply to #526294)
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Unfortunately, the new starter's nose is shaped just differently enough that I can't get it to slip into the bellhousing. The dipstick tube is in the way. Today, I pulled the nose off of the 6V starter, cleaned it, and painted it. Tomorrow, after the paint has cured, I'll swap it onto the 12V starter.
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71charger_fan
Posted 2017-04-03 4:09 PM (#537288 - in reply to #537180)
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Switched the old starter nose onto the new starter today. It was just different enough to get the new starter to pop in. I was thrilled when I turned the key and the engine turned over.



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Posted 2017-04-03 5:31 PM (#537291 - in reply to #526294)
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Nice job. I wouldn't have expected those to be different. Was it a difference in the heights or bolt pattern? It is very possible that they changed it just to guarantee that they wouldn't interchange because of the difference in voltage & potentials.
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Posted 2017-04-03 8:12 PM (#537309 - in reply to #526294)
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It was only a difference in the shape of the nose. The nose on the left is off the '55 six volt starter. The one on the right, off the twelve volt replacement, has more of a squared off shoulder. The original is more sloped. The difference in shape kept the replacement from being able to slip into the bellhousing without hard interference from the dipstick tube.

The housing is clocked differently too. With the '55 nose on it, the new starter's power lug is on the bottom instead of on the side. My solenoid to starter cable just barely stretches.

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Posted 2017-04-04 1:26 AM (#537325 - in reply to #537309)
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I can plainly see the difference now that you point it out. I guess blindness comes in many forms
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Posted 2017-04-07 8:58 PM (#537590 - in reply to #537325)
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Started on the disc brake conversion today.



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Posted 2017-04-07 9:42 PM (#537593 - in reply to #537590)
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What kit are you using (you probably said but I missed it)?

I like the idea of separate hubs and rotors instead of rotors and hubs combined in one unit.

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Posted 2017-04-07 9:48 PM (#537595 - in reply to #526294)
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I went with Scarebird because that kit required no spindle modifications. Chevy S10 4WD calipers and Ford Probe rotors.
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Posted 2017-04-08 3:48 PM (#537638 - in reply to #537595)
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One side done. This is the easy part. Installing the master cylinder/proportioning valve/new lines is still to come.




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Posted 2017-04-10 8:21 PM (#537819 - in reply to #537638)
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Prying the unneeded brackets off the Cadillac brake hoses.



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Posted 2017-04-11 8:29 AM (#537840 - in reply to #537819)
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Time for new shocks. I bought some Gabriels for a '75 Corvette. I had to open up the slots in the mounting tabs on the shocks for the 3/8 bolts and had to remove about 1/32" on the control arm to pass the shock through. When I pulled the old shock out, it had undercoating on it and was stamped ORIFLOW, which made me think I had the original factory shocks on the front.




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Posted 2017-04-11 9:18 AM (#537841 - in reply to #537840)
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One problem with the disc conversion was that, with the new hub, the outer washer stands outboard just a little farther. This negated being able to slip the cotter pin through. I wasn't having any luck finding a low profile 3/4-16 castle nut, so I set up the bearings and marked which slot on the nut needed to be deeper. Then, I just filed that slot down until I could slip the cotter pin through.



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Posted 2017-04-11 10:26 AM (#537850 - in reply to #537840)
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I didn't have to do anything with the control arm to install the Corvette shocks. Is the Gabriel a larger diameter than most or is the 6cyl control arm smaller than the V8 version?

Nice job on the castle nut. The Scarebird conversion for '57-'61 has a similar problem, but not as severe.
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Posted 2017-04-11 11:54 AM (#537857 - in reply to #537850)
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The Gabriel was about 3/64" larger in diameter than the stock shock. The recommendation I found elsewhere on this site was to get the KYB shocks for the mid-'70s 'vette. The Gabriels were cheaper, so I went with them. I suspect they may be slightly larger than the KYBs. I don't know if there's a difference in the 6 and 8 cylinder car lower control arms. But, it was only a few seconds work with the Dremel to slip the new shock through.
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Posted 2017-04-11 4:23 PM (#537878 - in reply to #537857)
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Here's the shock in the car.



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Posted 2017-04-12 8:17 PM (#537999 - in reply to #537878)
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Today, I pulled out the old single master cylinder and started on installing the new dual master cylinder. Had to make a gasket for the firewall. The pushrod was way too long. Fortunately, the original pushrod is adjustable. I had to polish off the corrosion to get it to fit into the '70s A-body MC I'm using.




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Posted 2017-04-13 8:38 PM (#538073 - in reply to #537999)
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Probably re-plumbing the brake system just in time.



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Posted 2017-04-15 8:50 PM (#538178 - in reply to #538073)
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Master cylinder label.



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Posted 2017-04-17 7:16 PM (#538272 - in reply to #538178)
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Got the master cylinder and distribution valve plumbed today.



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Posted 2017-04-18 8:28 PM (#538330 - in reply to #538272)
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The notch on the top of the mounting flange of the newer master cylinder left a part of the hole in the firewall for the old master cylinder uncovered. I dug out a piece of aluminum sheet I had and made a plate and gasket to go between the new master cylinder and firewall plate.



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Posted 2017-04-18 9:18 PM (#538335 - in reply to #538330)
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For the life of me, I can't figure out why Chrysler put that blasted notch there in the end of the master. Even on the '73 Dart where this master was used, it seems bad. I believe that they just covered the hole with a foam gasket originally.
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Posted 2017-04-19 4:32 PM (#538404 - in reply to #538335)
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Pulled out the 6V wiper motor and installed a 12V I got from Big M. Externally, the units are almost identical. Other than the markings, the 6V has a double ground strap to the mounting bracket and the 12V a single.



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throwinwrenches
Posted 2017-04-20 8:39 AM (#538444 - in reply to #537857)
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71charger_fan - 2017-04-11 10:54 AM

The Gabriel was about 3/64" larger in diameter than the stock shock. The recommendation I found elsewhere on this site was to get the KYB shocks for the mid-'70s 'vette. The Gabriels were cheaper, so I went with them. I suspect they may be slightly larger than the KYBs. I don't know if there's a difference in the 6 and 8 cylinder car lower control arms. But, it was only a few seconds work with the Dremel to slip the new shock through.


I can an also weigh in here. I believe the control arms are different. I did the same thing as you did, I ordered the Gabriels and tried to fit them without any luck. The tube is slightly larger, and I didn't want to grind anything so I sent them back and bought some KYB's. They fit perfectly.

Looks like those were the originals you removed. Very cool to see.
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Posted 2017-04-20 8:40 AM (#538445 - in reply to #526294)
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You make things look easy. Nice work updating things.

Are you keeping your old front and rear brake hub / drums?
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Posted 2017-04-20 7:03 PM (#538479 - in reply to #526294)
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I offered the fronts up to my Chrysler Products Owners Club membership, but have gotten no takers. I'm keeping the rear drums. If you need the fronts, you can have them. Just pay shipping or I can bring them to Chrysler Carlisle. They're 10" for the three-bolt knuckles.

Also the master cylinder. It had some sludge in it, but the car stopped, so it was working.

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Posted 2017-04-21 12:28 PM (#538514 - in reply to #538479)
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I looked in the parts book and 1955 to 1956 Plymouths and Dodges, both 6 and 8 cylinder cars, used the same lower control arms, part nos. 1615 108 (right) and 1615 109 (left). Maybe there were variances from vendor to vendor or even different stamping dies.
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Posted 2017-04-21 12:36 PM (#538517 - in reply to #538514)
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71charger_fan - 2017-04-21 12:28 PM I looked in the parts book and 1955 to 1956 Plymouths and Dodges, both 6 and 8 cylinder cars, used the same lower control arms, part nos. 1615 108 (right) and 1615 109 (left).


Agree.



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Posted 2017-04-21 4:44 PM (#538541 - in reply to #538514)
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........................or maybe it's the shock manufacture?
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Posted 2017-04-24 9:49 AM (#538743 - in reply to #538479)
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71charger_fan - 2017-04-20 6:03 PM

I offered the fronts up to my Chrysler Products Owners Club membership, but have gotten no takers. I'm keeping the rear drums. If you need the fronts, you can have them. Just pay shipping or I can bring them to Chrysler Carlisle. They're 10" for the three-bolt knuckles.

Also the master cylinder. It had some sludge in it, but the car stopped, so it was working.


Thanks for the offer, 71charger_fan. I may take you up on it. Any idea what shipping would be to 61614? Thank you!
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Posted 2017-04-25 3:27 PM (#538862 - in reply to #526294)
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Depends on the weight. I don't know how much all that weighs, but it's a lot of steel/iron.
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Posted 2017-04-25 3:30 PM (#538863 - in reply to #538862)
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Got the steering wheel back on. I'm waiting on some tie rod ends. The grease seals on mine look like they failed decades ago. Getting the horn switch back together was a huge pain as the rubber isolators had come apart. I had to stick them all together with black RTV and wait a day for it all to set up before I could turn the horn button over and attach it to the wheel.



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Posted 2017-04-27 8:54 AM (#538984 - in reply to #538863)
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The upper hatch is held to the hinges with 1/4" bolts. One of which was broken off. Yesterday was a good day as I rarely have any luck extracting broken bolts.


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Posted 2017-04-27 12:12 PM (#538991 - in reply to #538984)
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The upper gate on the wagon latches to the lower with two rotating latches operated by twisting the central handle. One of the latches didn't work and a previous owner had put tape over it. I pulled the latch assembly and found a broken rivet. I used a socket and punch to remove the piece of broken rivet from the actuating arm but had to drill a hole in the latch assembly to get to drill out the piece of rivet in the latch piece. I filed down the head of a #10 screw and worked it through the actuator arm and latch piece. By dumb luck, the screw head is off center of the hole I drilled, so it doesn't have a clear path to work it's way out. I'm hoping this will be a good enough fix for how little the car will be used. I don't want to have to drill out all the rivets and take the mechanism completely apart.




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Posted 2017-04-30 7:44 PM (#539171 - in reply to #538991)
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Pulled the rear shocks today. The shocks and the nuts at the upper mounting points both had undercoating on them. Again, I think they might have been 1955 originals.




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Posted 2017-05-02 9:10 AM (#539269 - in reply to #526294)
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The Gabriel Guardian shocks I bought for the rear were somehow manufactured with different bushings from one shock to the other. The holes in the bushings of one shock were just enough smaller that the shock wouldn't slip over the mounting studs. It was too much trouble to return that shock for a replacement. I removed the upper mounting stud from the car and pressed it into the shock on the bench and was able to pound the lower bushing on just enough that the threads of the nut caught and I pushed it on the rest of the way with the nut and washer.
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Posted 2017-05-03 4:07 PM (#539396 - in reply to #539269)
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I bought a clutch/brake pedal set only to find out that, while they look the same, they are not the same. The clutch pad fits over the end of the pedal, but the brake pad is molded to the pedal. So, I found an NORS brake pedal pad which arrived today.



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Posted 2017-05-03 4:11 PM (#539397 - in reply to #539396)
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I finally got the right side tie rod out today. The old grease was rock hard and took a lot of chipping and WD40 to finally get the ends out. One wasn't too bad, but the other required the bench vise and a large pipe wrench.




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Posted 2017-05-07 9:38 AM (#539594 - in reply to #539397)
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New tie rod ends are in and many layers of rock-hard crud scraped off the sleeves.



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Posted 2017-05-07 9:44 AM (#539595 - in reply to #539594)
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Since I've replaced every other moving part in the brake system, I figured I'd better also take a look at the rear wheel cylinders. I'm glad I did. I've only gotten as far as the passenger side, but there was so much rust in that wheel cylinder, I'm sure those pistons haven't moved in years.



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Posted 2017-05-07 9:48 AM (#539596 - in reply to #539595)
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New rear shocks installed.



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Posted 2017-05-08 2:52 PM (#539702 - in reply to #539596)
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I found an NOS back up lens to replace the lesser of the two on the car. I'm still looking for another NOS back up lens and one turn signal/parking lamp lens. I have an NOS '56 parking lamp lens and am considering just drilling two holes through that and using it.





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Posted 2017-05-10 3:07 PM (#539833 - in reply to #539702)
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I've started repainting the interior. My new headliner is en route, so I need the interior repainted and good and dry before I start messing with that. I still need to order some insulation for the inside of the roof. Not sure what I'm going to buy.




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Posted 2017-05-11 8:59 AM (#539870 - in reply to #539833)
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CTC Auto Ranch built a crate to ship me my headliner bows. Now, I have to get them out and get them painted. I don't want to put rusty headliner bows into a white headliner.



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Posted 2017-05-11 3:43 PM (#539888 - in reply to #539870)
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Hi,I'm new to this forum,and just had to join to follow this tread. Have a 55 Plaza 2dr suburban too,and this year I've had it for 40..! years..won't bore you guys with bad excuses for not finishing it,but rust,lack of parts,building a home,raising kids are a few of them..in addition,I live in Norway,Europe,and if it's tough to find parts in the US,you can only imagine trying over here..
Anyway,I'm thankful for the technical information,what parts you use,and the name of the suppliers.Will probably go for a lot of the same stuff,like the disc brake conversion,wire kit ++
Must say,I'm impressed by the speed you make things done,and the crisp and detailed pictures !
Just last Month though,I bought a pretty nice 1956 Savoy club sedan,with only 17200 miles since new,so will try to leave that alone ( for now ),and just enjoy it this summer,and get back to the Plaza in the garage when winter comes..


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Posted 2017-05-14 9:23 AM (#539989 - in reply to #539888)
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I did the right side wheel cylinder first. I was happy to find the linings were pretty much brand new. Then, I moved over to the left side and found the linings were shot. No actual wear, but the material was crumbling. So, a new set of shoes from Bernbaum went on yesterday.




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Posted 2017-05-15 1:39 PM (#540077 - in reply to #539989)
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Coating the headliner bows with Eastwood rust encapsulator.




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Posted 2017-05-16 11:35 AM (#540145 - in reply to #526294)
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I've now realized that I have sedan headliner bows and not wagon headliner bows. The last couple of sedan bows are way too long for a wagon. Now, I have to either find wagon bows, shorten and re-arch the sedan bows, buy universal bows, or make some bows. I'm wondering if maybe cheap kids fishing poles from Walmart or Kmart would make good bows.
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Posted 2017-05-17 8:24 PM (#540281 - in reply to #540145)
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Today, I tried remounting the wheels and taking the car off the jackstands. I was disappointed to find the inside of the wheels interfere with the calipers. Looks like about a 1/4" spacer would clear this up.



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Posted 2017-05-18 3:06 PM (#540348 - in reply to #540281)
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I used some washers as spacers and realized that a 1/4" spacer would be fine. However, as it was, it was close, so I went ahead and tried the hammer. A few blows with the big ball pein and the metal moved enough to clear the calipers.




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Posted 2017-05-18 8:26 PM (#540361 - in reply to #540348)
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Finally after months on jack stands, I started it up and moved it under its own power today. I just backed it out of the garage and let it idle until it got hot, but it was a relief to hear it run. I still have to set the timing and likely address choke problems with the carb, but I cannot adequately express how relieved I was, after all that rewiring, to hear it fire up. Of course, I couldn't completely escape my stupid side. I noticed the gas gauge read empty and assumed it wasn't working until the gas ran out when it was halfway back into the garage. About a gallon and a half from the mower can and I was good to go again.



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Posted 2017-05-22 3:08 PM (#540616 - in reply to #526294)
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Job well done so far,71 Charger fan !
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Posted 2017-05-22 9:49 PM (#540657 - in reply to #526294)
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I found some '56 Dodge wagon headliner bows at Big M. While I wait for those to arrive, I'm sanding and prepping the interior for paint. Now that's a miserable job.
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Posted 2017-05-22 10:59 PM (#540669 - in reply to #526294)
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going to be amazing with that fake wood gone...

56 the same as 55?





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Posted 2017-05-23 12:12 PM (#540718 - in reply to #526294)
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'56 has small fins, different taillights, parking light lenses, grill, hood ornament, the dash is changed a little, and the '56s are 12V. Other than that, they're pretty close to being the same.
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Posted 2017-05-23 12:21 PM (#540721 - in reply to #540718)
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Posted 2017-05-23 3:46 PM (#540745 - in reply to #540721)
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Today, I sanded and prepped the interior structure on the passenger side for primer.



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Posted 2017-05-23 4:18 PM (#540748 - in reply to #526294)
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Posted 2017-05-24 9:03 AM (#540794 - in reply to #526294)
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There are a couple of runs in the primer that I'll sand out today and some thin spots I'll recover, but I should have it covered in white paint this afternoon and be ready to move to the door frames.
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Posted 2017-05-24 4:09 PM (#540823 - in reply to #540794)
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I took the rear seat back cushion off of its metal frame today and discovered more mouse nests. Vacuuming it all out of the seat springs really filled up the shop vac.




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Posted 2017-05-24 8:20 PM (#540836 - in reply to #540823)
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The '56 Dodge wagon headliner bows I ordered from Big M arrived today and I've given them a coat of Eastwood Rust Encapsulator.



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Posted 2017-05-26 1:23 PM (#540941 - in reply to #540836)
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More mouse nests. I'm afraid to look in the front seat. This is the rear seat bottom.



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Posted 2017-05-26 7:24 PM (#540956 - in reply to #540941)
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The metal pan that goes under the rear seat cushion suffered from rodent urine-induced corrosion. Lots of Simple Green and scrubbing later and it still looked like this.



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Posted 2017-05-29 8:22 PM (#541156 - in reply to #540956)
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I got the rear seat bottom cushion pan stripped and primed. I took this piece and the corresponding piece for the seat back to the local powder coater. He wanted $600, so I brought them home.



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Posted 2017-05-31 3:31 PM (#541276 - in reply to #541156)
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I started fitting the sewn headliner I got from Newstalgia. I'm realizing I'm far more comfortable with the mechanical than trim work. It's going to be very "fiddly" trying to get this thing looking right. I'm now certain it's not a one-person job.




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Posted 2017-05-31 3:44 PM (#541277 - in reply to #541276)
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I don't know why my photos look fine on my computer but sometimes flip sideways when I post them. I re-cropped the photo and am trying again.




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Posted 2017-05-31 4:27 PM (#541282 - in reply to #541277)
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Pretty sure the dome light needs to come out/off BEFORE you install the headliner.

Good luck.

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Posted 2017-05-31 6:24 PM (#541291 - in reply to #526294)
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There's plenty of room to snatch it out of there. I had a hodge podge of bows from two different cars and I needed to figure out which bow fit best where. I'll pull the domelight before I start pinning/gluing anything in place.

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Posted 2017-06-07 4:17 PM (#541720 - in reply to #541291)
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Putting this thing in is endlessly tedious. It's coming along though.



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Posted 2017-06-07 4:20 PM (#541723 - in reply to #526294)
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Good for you for doing it yourself. I did one for a VW bug about 30yrs ago, and that was enough for me!
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Posted 2017-06-07 5:05 PM (#541725 - in reply to #526294)
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I still have to figure out how to trim it over the middle windows.
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Posted 2017-06-08 2:02 PM (#541801 - in reply to #526294)
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ive seen this post since the beginning and havent commented but will now..

nice little wagon! not many 55 2 dr suburban wagons left... did it come

stock w the wood grain? those stickers on the glass are from the past...

flathead 6 or v-8... first v-8 offered in 55. i see your doing a full restoration...

i can imagine how nice it will be.. if your into 55s in the ebay section a 55 belvedere

conv. was just posted .. looks rough sitting a long time.. cant wait to see your

wagon finished! 71 charger? rt? 440 440 six pak? hemi?
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Posted 2017-06-08 9:22 PM (#541827 - in reply to #526294)
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The wood grain is airbrushed. It's a 230 flathead. My '71 is an SE. It was a 383-2V with 4-wheel manual drum brakes and a 2.45 open rear. It's now got a .030-over 400 with an Edelbrock carb, 4-wheel discs, 3.55 sure grip 8.75 rear, tubular front suspension and k-frame, R/T tail lights, and a bulge hood off a '74 Rallye.
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Posted 2017-06-09 8:22 PM (#541875 - in reply to #541827)
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I made a pattern out of cardboard and marked it on some 1" wide aluminum to make headliner trim for over the middle windows. Car show tomorrow, so I hope to get them installed on Sunday and finish out this headliner.




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Posted 2017-06-10 2:55 PM (#541901 - in reply to #541801)
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moparsteve - 2017-06-08 2:02 PM 71 charger? rt? 440 440 six pak? hemi?


Since you asked, this is my '71 and our two '15 Challengers.



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Posted 2017-06-11 5:17 PM (#541948 - in reply to #541901)
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Making progress.




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Posted 2017-06-12 2:46 PM (#541993 - in reply to #541948)
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The rear view mirror was nasty. Rusty in places, the finish was cracked, and there was 60 years of dirt, tar, and nicotine built up on it. I scrubbed it, sanded it, primed it, and painted it in satin black to match the rest of what I've got going on color wise.




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Posted 2017-06-12 5:14 PM (#541999 - in reply to #541948)
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Looking good. I like the perforated material (vinyl?). What did you do for insulation above the headliner, attached to the underside of the roof?

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Posted 2017-06-12 8:34 PM (#542007 - in reply to #526294)
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I know I should have put something up there, but I didn't. It's just bare steel.
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Posted 2017-06-12 10:48 PM (#542008 - in reply to #526294)
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Great job! I tried to replace a headliner on a 1960 Chrysler I had but wound up having it done at an upholstery shop. Not enough patience and I didn't want to screw it up. By the way, it wasnt a wagon either which is probably even more challenging.

Congrats on a job well done.
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Posted 2017-06-13 3:53 PM (#542060 - in reply to #542008)
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My '55 sun visors were shot and the brackets were corroded. I painted the brackets in satin black to match the mirror and touched up a pair of extra '71 Charger visors and used them.




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Posted 2017-06-14 2:32 PM (#542134 - in reply to #542060)
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Today, I got up the nerve to slice the headliner to install the LED dome light. I also wired two small LED spots into the dome light circuit and put them in the back on either side of the tailgate.




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Posted 2017-06-15 8:32 PM (#542218 - in reply to #542134)
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I lost the nuts to the lower left dash trim. Just my luck, they're #12-24 studs. I've never in my life needed a 12-24 nut. Local stores didn't carry that size, so I wound up buying an entire box just to reattach this piece of trim.




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Posted 2017-06-15 8:56 PM (#542223 - in reply to #542218)
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Thanks for reminding me. I knew I needed some 12-24 hardware, but couldn't remember what for.
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Posted 2017-06-18 9:40 AM (#542400 - in reply to #542223)
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I tried a test drive and realized after hearing an unpleasant sound that something was amiss. The alternator pulley was just enough out of alignment that it spit the belt off. So, I aligned the pulley and went to AutoZone and bought a new belt. Unfortunately, the listed belt is too short for my alternator conversion. So, for now, I'll have to reuse the old belt.






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Posted 2017-06-25 5:11 PM (#542854 - in reply to #542400)
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I have not been able to get a hard brake pedal. It's been driving me nuts. I got another new MC. Application says for '73 Charger manual discs. I bench bled it, installed it, pushed a quart of fluid through the lines and still have a mushy pedal. I think I'll pull it out, bench bleed it again, bleed the lines again, and hope for the best. If that doesn't work, I may give up and have it flat bedded somewhere they can pressure bleed it from the wheels to the MC and see if that finally fixes it.



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Posted 2017-06-26 8:44 PM (#542927 - in reply to #542854)
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After experimenting with several different length belts, I think I finally hit the sweet spot.




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Posted 2017-06-26 8:56 PM (#542931 - in reply to #526294)
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I wouldn't bother taking the brakes somewhere else. I have installed 100's of master cylinders during the days when I worked as a brake mechanic and never had a single issue with them back in the early 90's. Now, it is hard to get a good one off the shelf. New master cylinders are typically worse than rebuilt, but still not a guarantee. I don't know what happened with it, but they are obviously cutting corners with the seals in them somewhere. I recommend you take it back to the auto parts store and get a rebuilt one to try instead. Get your money back. Expensive returns are the only way to get the message back to these crappy manufacturers that it doesn't pay to sell crap.
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Posted 2017-07-01 8:34 PM (#543320 - in reply to #542931)
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I finally clamped off my rubber hoses and got a hard pedal. I unclamped the fronts one at a time and the pedal stayed rock hard. I unclamped the rear line and the pedal went to the floor. Wasted the day trying to bleed the air out of it. I even made a new piece of steel brake line from the tee on the rear axle to the left rear wheel cylinder. The right rear seems to bleed out fine and give me nice clear fluid. The left rear, however, constantly has small bubbles in it and sometimes is almost foamy. My new suspicion is that my new Chinesium wheel cylinder might be a piece of crap. I think I'll head over to NAPA tomorrow and pick up a new wheel cylinder, swap out the left rear and hope that finally fixes it.



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Posted 2017-07-05 8:28 PM (#543609 - in reply to #543320)
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There was some minor seepage at the left rear wheel cylinder so I switched it out. The pedal is better, but still not where I think it should be. However, I think I can tweak the adjustment of the brake shoes. I'm hoping if I adjust the shoes so that the drum drags, then just back off a hair, it might just cure the problem. Eventually, I might just take my flange-to-flange measurement to the junk yard and see what Ford/Mopar rear axle I can find to just swap out and get more modern, easier-to-adjust brakes. Maybe even rear discs. It was very disappointing to buy "NAPA Ultra Premium Brake Parts" and still wind up with the "made in China" on the box. However, the seals on the NAPA part seemed much better than those on the Centric I pulled off.

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Posted 2017-07-09 8:26 PM (#543855 - in reply to #543609)
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Trying to get a hard brake pedal on this car is driving me mad. I decided to again pull the drums and verify the setting of the shoes. Previously, I just did the best I could without the proper gauge. Today, I made a gauge out of some flat aluminum and a long 1/4-20 screw with the head cut off. Using this, I realized I was off by quite a bit getting the heel of the shoes where they needed to be. So, now, I've got the shoes set as close as I can get them to factory spec. After pushing over 7 quarts of brake fluid through this system, I still don't have the pedal I feel I should have and still get some bubbles when I bleed. I've got a buddy coming over tomorrow with a vacuum bleeder. I have one that runs off the compressor, but can't get a decent seal on the bleeder nipple with it, so it pulls air around the bleeder fitting.



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Posted 2017-07-09 10:34 PM (#543866 - in reply to #526294)
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You should re-tighten your lines, especially if you have made a new line with a new flare. Oftentimes these can leak slightly, giving you some air into the line.
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Posted 2017-07-10 7:48 AM (#543878 - in reply to #526294)
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You could try some plumbers thread seal tape on the thread of the bleeder to create a seal. I have done this and it works. This has a secondary positive outcome. It keeps the brake fluid out of the threads. Another trick is to bump the slave cylinder with a rubber/plastic hammer to bounce any air pockets/bubbles up to the bleeder port.
I am liking your posts, as I do all the guys threads who post info and pics of their progress. Nice work 71.

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Posted 2017-07-10 9:59 AM (#543882 - in reply to #526294)
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Attention, your brake hose is too short - it's stretching which is not a good thing.
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Posted 2017-07-10 11:56 AM (#543886 - in reply to #543878)
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60 Imp - 2017-07-10 5:48 AM You could try some plumbers thread seal tape on the thread of the bleeder to create a seal. Steve.


...........umm .............doesn't the bleeder seal on the taper of the bleeder screw?
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Posted 2017-07-10 12:20 PM (#543887 - in reply to #526294)
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That was supposedly the "correct" replacement brake hose. Fortunately, it only pulls tight at full suspension drop. While the bleeder does seal on the taper of the bleeder screw, air often can sneak past the bleeder screw threads.
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Posted 2017-07-10 1:55 PM (#543893 - in reply to #543886)
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Old Ray - 2017-07-10 11:56 AM

60 Imp - 2017-07-10 5:48 AM You could try some plumbers thread seal tape on the thread of the bleeder to create a seal. Steve.


...........umm .............doesn't the bleeder seal on the taper of the bleeder screw? :)


yes, but when you bled the system you have to open the screws and the thread is not supposed to let any air pass then.
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Posted 2017-07-12 8:42 AM (#544021 - in reply to #526294)
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I ordered new brake line tubing and plan to (again) re-plumb the brake lines from the proportioning valve back. I'll also replace the Centric wheel cylinder on the right side with a NAPA one and replace the brake hose. I think I'll also relocate the frame mounting point for the brake hose to put it closer to the axle as it shouldn't be stretched tight when the car is jacked up.
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Posted 2017-07-25 8:51 PM (#544855 - in reply to #544021)
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Until today, it's been too hot in the garage since Carlisle to work on the Plymouth. I finally got around to replacing the right rear wheel cylinder with another new one from NAPA and making up new rear axle brake lines. I looked, but couldn't find a rear axle brake tee listed for a '55. I saw one at Inline Tube listed for '59 to '76 8.75 rear. I ordered one and it was an exact duplicate of the '55 brake tee. I also picked up another new rear rubber line, but it's no longer than the existing one. I'm trying to make a bracket to move the brake hose mounting bracket inboard a few inches to hopefully put some slack in the line when the car is on a lift.



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Posted 2017-07-25 9:06 PM (#544856 - in reply to #544855)
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Oh dear lord please tell me that isn't copper line . . . . !!!
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Posted 2017-07-25 10:19 PM (#544861 - in reply to #526294)
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It's copper-nickel brake line tubing.
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Posted 2017-07-26 8:04 AM (#544890 - in reply to #544861)
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71charger_fan - 2017-07-25 10:19 PM

It's copper-nickel brake line tubing.


I need to ask - what is that? I'm only familiar with the steel brake line, and here in PA that is the only legally acceptable brake line material. Well, stainless is also acceptable.

Please fill me in . . .


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Posted 2017-07-26 9:16 AM (#544894 - in reply to #526294)
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It's original equipment on some European cars. It's much more easily formed than steel, especially stainless steel. It's highly rust resistant both internally and externally.

https://www.copper.org/applications/automotive/brake-tube/brake.html

http://agscompany.com/product-category/brake-fuel-transmission-line...

http://copperalliance.org.uk/docs/librariesprovider5/resources/is49...
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Posted 2017-07-26 9:44 AM (#544896 - in reply to #544894)
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....or even better (IMO) is Poly-Vinyl Fluorine coated.

http://agscompany.com/product-category/brake-fuel-transmission-lines/poly-armour/

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Posted 2017-07-26 6:17 PM (#544928 - in reply to #526294)
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That must be what the brake lines in my Jeep Commander are. They look like plastic.
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Posted 2017-07-26 6:20 PM (#544929 - in reply to #544894)
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The new NAPA hose I picked up was the exact same length as the one I had on the car that was stretched overly tight when the car was jacked up. I used some scrap I had in the garage to make a bracket and spaced the bracket where the hose and hard line join off of the frame rail. It was just enough to allow the line to rest without being stretched.



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Posted 2017-07-26 9:10 PM (#544937 - in reply to #544894)
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Thank you for the links. I've never heard of this material, but the information you provided makes it sound like a much better alternative. I'll have to see if it's readily available around me, or locate some online. I assume it works with standard double-flare fittings and is otherwise "drop-in" compatible with everything else in the system.

You project is very cool and makes for great reading, especially with all the photos you've taken.

Thanks for sharing a lot of great information


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Posted 2017-07-26 9:32 PM (#544938 - in reply to #526294)
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I bought a 25' coil of it plus an assortment of fittings for $28.45 from Ebay.
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Posted 2017-07-29 11:18 AM (#545112 - in reply to #544938)
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I'm at the point of buying and installing a 3rd new master cylinder. A friend of mine came by Thursday and we spent the afternoon bleeding the brakes. I can pump the pedal and make it feel okay, but just getting in and pushing the pedal, it goes to the floor. I used my Mityvac bleeder that works with the compressor and pulled fluid until I saw no more bubbles. My buddy came by and we used his Mityvac hand pump and pulled a few more reservoirs full through the lines. Then we bled all four corners by me pushing the pedal and him working the bleeder screws. We pushed almost another quart through the system. We went over the system, component by component, and found no leaks. I have new calipers, new front hoses, all new hard lines, new proportioning valve, new wheel cylinders (again), new master cylinder (again), new rear hose (again), and new brake tee. This is driving me nuts.
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Posted 2017-07-29 11:57 AM (#545114 - in reply to #545112)
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Did you "bench bleed" the master cylinder before installing it? (I made that mistake back in Nov. so don't feel bad).

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Posted 2017-07-29 12:06 PM (#545116 - in reply to #526294)
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Like I said before, make sure you get your money back on it. We all need to send a message that they are going to pay to sell this kind of garbage. Me and multiple people I know have had similar issues with brand new crap master cylinders recently.
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Posted 2017-07-29 4:59 PM (#545124 - in reply to #545112)
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In my experience, when you run into something like this where you've been over the thing a dozen times and still can't find the issue, it's usually something so basic you keep assuming it's ok, but it isn't.

So . . .

You did a disc brake conversion - Are you using a disc brake master cylinder, and using the correct outlet for front/rear? Sounds silly but remember the drum brake side usually has a check valve that prevents complete fluid return to the M/C for the purpose of keeping a firm pedal. Generally the large reservoir is for the disc brake, but just to make it fun not always.

Is the proportioning valve you're using for disc brakes, and is the orientation correct - both in terms of disc/drum AND in/out?

Are your calipers mounted properly in relation to the discs? Low pedals that pump up often indicate that there is excessive "play" in the system someplace - meaning you need to move a bunch of fluid before the friction materials make solid contact with the drum/rotor. Calipers that are skewed in relation to the rotor, loose wheel bearings, and anything else that disturbs the needed "almost touching" relationship of friction material to contact surface can cause a low pedal.

Are your calipers "over-returning". Rare, but I have seen rebuilt/reman calipers that for whatever reason actually pulled the disc pads away from the rotor. This should never happen - there is always some lateral runout in the rotor and this is used along with the natural pull-back of the square-cut o-ring on the caliper piston to barely retract the pad. Light drag is expected. But I have seen calipers that must have had a rolled o-ring that would actually pull the pad a notable distance from the rotor.

Is your pedal to master cylinder linkage adjusted correctly? When doing custom installations it can be difficult to gauge that adjustment sometimes. Maybe what you perceive as a low pedal is really just the take-up of an improper adjustment. If you adjust the pedal so that you get good pedal application height are the brakes dragging? When you apply the pedal are you getting immediate movement of the brake shoes and pads, or are you stroking the M/C some distance before the fluid reacts?

I find it difficult to believe that after 3 M/C's and all of that bleeding that you have a air issue. Are you still getting air when you bleed? If so where? I've seen faulty line flares, defects in fittings, and even calipers that will draw air in when the pedal returns. Unless you ended up with an unfortunate line arrangement that has a high spot/loop that is holding air, or you continue to find air when you bleed, I would focus on a mechanical issue rather than a hydraulic one.

Good luck - I'll be curious to hear the solution.

Gregg

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Posted 2017-07-31 8:49 PM (#545262 - in reply to #545124)
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I've got a reverse bleeder coming. I'll try pushing fluid from the wheel cylinders. If that doesn't work, I'm paying someone to figure it out.

Meanwhile, I've started fitting new interior panels.



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Posted 2017-08-02 7:38 PM (#545390 - in reply to #545262)
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This arrived today. I'm going to start by clamping off the rear brake hose. Then, use my bottle jack to get one rear wheel higher than the other then push brake fluid from the low side to the high side. That should, once and for all, eliminate the question of whether there's air caught in the hump of the rear line. Following that, I'll push some fluid up and out the MC with the front end elevated. I really hope this gets it once and for all.



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Posted 2017-08-20 8:06 PM (#546614 - in reply to #545390)
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I was on vacation, then, the temps were just too hot to deal with it. Today, I finally touched it again. I plugged the MC and gave the pedal a push. It was a good firm pedal as it should have been. But, when I pushed hard, I heard a funny noise and the pedal slowly slipped to the floor. I got out another MC, bench bled it, installed it, and plugged it. The pedal is hard as a rock and doesn't sink at all. So, I hooked up the fronts and it's still good. Tomorrow, if it's not too hot, I'll cross my fingers and hook the rears back up.



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Posted 2017-08-24 8:44 PM (#546946 - in reply to #546614)
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Finally buttoned it up and gave it a brief road test today. The original drum brakes are sensitive to adjustment. I left them dragging very slightly and decided to let them wear in through short drives around the neighborhood. I tried the reverse bleeder on the passenger side with the rubber hose clamped off and the drum off. It pressurized the rear axle line and moved the pistons out on the wheel cylinder as it should have. After three or four times of letting the wheel cylinder pistons extend and retract, an air bubble made its way out. So, looks like I had a combination of a bad MC and a stubborn air bubble.



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Posted 2017-08-24 10:17 PM (#546960 - in reply to #546946)
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Looks good, thanks for posting.
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Posted 2017-08-27 3:23 PM (#547146 - in reply to #546960)
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Yesterday, I drove it out of the neighborhood to the gas station. I went over 25mph for the first time since I bought this thing. By the time I got it home, the right rear was smoking. So, I had those shoes adjusted too tight. This morning, I took just a hair of adjustment out of them and took it for another drive. All seems fine now. No more stink of burning friction material.
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Posted 2017-08-27 7:18 PM (#547157 - in reply to #547146)
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Congratulations. Always great to be driving them. I'm sure more work is still ahead, but now you can enjoy it more.
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Posted 2017-09-02 4:55 PM (#547590 - in reply to #547157)
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One of the few things the seller stated in their ad for this car was that the floors were good. Not sure their idea of good floors and mine are the same. At least for the time being, I'm just sealing them up with POR-15 and fiberglass.




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Posted 2017-09-07 8:35 AM (#547897 - in reply to #547590)
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The gas gauge isn't working. So, I pulled the sending unit and found the resistance was the same with the float up as with the float down. So, for the time being, I picked up an inexpensive gauge/sending unit and gauge pod to mount under the dash for the time being. I took the top off the OEM sender and took the aftermarket sender apart. I mounted the top of the OEM unit onto the aftermarket unit's guts.




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Posted 2017-09-07 9:29 AM (#547903 - in reply to #547897)
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OH MY!! With all that rust on the OE sender body and the cork float, your gas tank has had a lot of water sitting in it. IF you haven't already, I think that you are going to have to pull the tank and get it cleaned and relined. You might want to source a better used tank because I can imagine that yours is going to have lots of pin holes, etc. at the water line.

Clever job on the aftermarket sender mod. There are NOS OE style senders on eBay if you look.

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Posted 2017-09-07 12:12 PM (#547909 - in reply to #526294)
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I've been watching Ebay, but, so far, I've only seen non-wagon senders. There was one that said it was for wagons, but it only had one terminal instead of the two on wagon senders. I have a sedan gauge and could get a non-wagon sender and switch gauges, but really don't feel like taking anything in the dash apart.
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Posted 2017-09-07 1:31 PM (#547914 - in reply to #526294)
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There is this one. It says that it operates from 78-10 ohms. That is the same range as a newer '60's Mopar. If that is true, you could probably just get one for a '66 Coronet or a '67 Dart and modify it to work if you don't want to pay the high price.

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Posted 2017-09-07 4:28 PM (#547923 - in reply to #547914)
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The wagon has a different shaped gas tank and, I believe, a longer arm on the sender. I could use one of those with my sedan gauge and switch the arm with the one I pulled out of my wagon's gas tank.

It took a few times putting the sender in and taking it out adjusting the length of the sender and the float arm, but I think I finally got it close enough. I took a quick trip to the gas station and was happy when the needle climbed up on full. The extra gauge is out of the way under the glove compartment over the hump. If I get ambitious, I might move it up into the gas gauge hole in the dash. I took the easy way out and wired the gauge light to the gauge power rather than screw around tapping into the light circuit. Unfortunately, my iPhone refused to focus on it when it was lit up.




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Posted 2017-09-09 9:40 AM (#548030 - in reply to #547923)
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My lower tailgate has a lot of mud in it. I accidentally put a small dent in it while working on it and cracks spread. Yesterday, an NOS tailgate arrived from Bernbaum. It's in pretty good shape for over 60 years of shelf wear, just a couple of minor bends on the upper corners, some scratches from shipping, and some surface rust.




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Posted 2017-09-11 3:32 PM (#548169 - in reply to #548030)
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The car tracked straight on the road, but the steering wheel was off by about 45 degrees. Because there's a master spline, I couldn't just yank the wheel and re-clock that. So, the good folks at the Ford dealership just down the road were kind enough to throw it on the alignment rack and set toe/center the steering wheel.



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Posted 2017-09-13 9:23 AM (#548272 - in reply to #526294)
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After previously being unable to get much of the old differential lube out because it was like tar, I crawled under there yesterday to try it again. Having gotten a small amount of new gear lube in and driving it around a bit, the new lube did mix with the tar-like crap that was in there and thinned it enough that most of it flowed out the drain plug. So, after it stopped draining, I put some new lube in while the drain plug was open and that pushed more of the old crud out. After buttoning it up with new lube, I'll put some more miles on it and change it again to try and get rid of the rest of the old nasty lube. While under the car, I went ahead and drained and refilled the manual transmission. That lube flowed out fine, but was well past when it should have been changed. I'll change the transmission oil again before winter to try and get rid of the remnants of the old lube that was in there.
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Posted 2017-09-18 7:47 PM (#548662 - in reply to #548272)
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When I finally drove at night, I realized the right headlight pointed down at the street. Today, I pulled the HL bezel to adjust the HL and realized that some previous owner had broken an adjuster tab and the tab that serves as the third mount for the trim ring. So, I got to pull the HL bucket, drill out the rivet heads and reattach the tabs so that the HL could be adjusted.




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Posted 2017-09-25 2:15 PM (#549130 - in reply to #548662)
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My driver's side floor pans arrived today. After the heat breaks and when it's not raining, I'll take it to the body shop for an estimate because I've never learned to weld.



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Posted 2017-09-25 2:31 PM (#549135 - in reply to #549130)
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I bought the same panels for my 56 Dodge (just to have). Not sure if the company is the same or not. What I can tell you is that inspection panel still need a bunch of work before it will fit. That lip at the top needs to be bent over towards you and the kink in the middle needs to be bigger and softer (larger radius bend).

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Posted 2017-09-25 4:21 PM (#549148 - in reply to #526294)
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I'm not too worried about it. At least it's a good head start over the body shop having to start from scratch.

Today, I changed the differential lube again. It still came out thick and black. I may have to change it one more time before winter.
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I'm not too worried about it. At least it's a good head start over the body shop having to start from scratch.
Today, I changed the differential lube again. It still came out thick and black. I may have to change it one more time before winter.


True dat.

What diff lube/oil are you using SAE 90? or ??

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Posted 2017-09-25 9:49 PM (#549164 - in reply to #526294)
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I've got 80w-90 and 75w-90 on the shelf. I generally use whichever is closest to hand. Today, I used up a bottle of the 75w-90.
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Posted 2017-10-01 7:27 PM (#549556 - in reply to #549164)
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Today, I pulled the front seat out so that I could finally dispose of what was left of the disgusting carpet that was in the car. I was happy to see that the floors under and behind the seat weren't too bad. A little POR-15 and fiberglass and they'll be fine. It's not worth replacing the pans for a few small holes.



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Posted 2017-10-01 8:26 PM (#549563 - in reply to #549556)
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71charger_fan - 2017-10-01 7:27 PM Today, I pulled the front seat out so that I could finally dispose of what was left of the disgusting carpet that was in the car. I was happy to see that the floors under and behind the seat weren't too bad. A little POR-15 and fiberglass and they'll be fine. It's not worth replacing the pans for a few small holes.


Probably a stupid question but what holds the front seat in? 4 bolts (2 per side)? (I can see the holes - just want to confirm).

How difficult was it to get the seat out? I think that is going to be one of my winter (in the warm basement projects this winter).

I had two small holes in my front passenger foot well that I was able to patch with some wire mesh and Bondo Liquid Metal. (Then I sprayed over entire footwell with DupliColor bed liner (spray)).

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Posted 2017-10-01 8:57 PM (#549568 - in reply to #526294)
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The bottom seat cushion just lifted out which provided good access to the bolts on the inside. The sheet metal trim on the sides of the seat were easily removed with the seat cushion out which provided free access to the seat bolts on the outside.
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Posted 2017-10-01 9:39 PM (#549569 - in reply to #549568)
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71charger_fan - 2017-10-01 8:57 PM
The bottom seat cushion just lifted out which provided good access to the bolts on the inside. The sheet metal trim on the sides of the seat were easily removed with the seat cushion out which provided free access to the seat bolts on the outside.


Okay. Living and learning.

All I could find was this:




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Posted 2017-10-02 2:36 PM (#549619 - in reply to #549569)
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Here's the sheet metal trim I mentioned in case you weren't sure what I meant. I started replacing the hideous blue someone had painted it.




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Posted 2017-10-02 2:38 PM (#549620 - in reply to #549569)
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I shoved the front seat frame in the back of the wagon while I work on the floor, but I tried to get a couple of photos of the sections you pulled out of the parts book.




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Posted 2017-10-02 2:41 PM (#549621 - in reply to #549620)
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I put another coat of POR-15 down today with some more layers of fiberglass over the pinholes.




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Posted 2017-10-02 3:53 PM (#549623 - in reply to #549619)
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71charger_fan - 2017-10-02 2:36 PM
Here's the sheet metal trim I mentioned in case you weren't sure what I meant. I started replacing the hideous blue someone had painted it.


Umm...that "hideous" blue might be factory.

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Posted 2017-10-02 4:37 PM (#549624 - in reply to #526294)
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Mine have been repainted, but it might be close to a factory shade.
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Posted 2017-10-02 5:14 PM (#549625 - in reply to #549568)
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71charger_fan - 2017-10-01 8:57 PM The bottom seat cushion just lifted out which provided good access to the bolts on the inside. The sheet metal trim on the sides of the seat were easily removed with the seat cushion out which provided free access to the seat bolts on the outside.


Now that I knew what I was dealing with, I went out to the car and pulled up on a front corner of the front seat bottom. Came up. Okay. Go to the other side and put up that corner. OKAY THEN!! Pulled the seat bottom out.

Well I can tell you the previous (Canadian) owner who I bought it from did not do this because I have found a bunch of US$ (about 1.26 in) coins from the US owner he had bought it from (Annacortes, WA area). I found a few things that might allow me to track down the previous US owner just for fun.

Lots of junk too. All vacuumed up now.

I think that it might not be necessary to remove the metal seat side trim to access the hold-down bolts (seat slider to body).

I'll see how ambitious I get later (during the winter) when I start dealing with the seats.

Thanks for your hints and photos.

Progress. Gotta love it.

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Posted 2017-10-02 7:03 PM (#549632 - in reply to #549625)
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56D500boy - 2017-10-02 5:14 PM
I think that it might not be necessary to remove the metal seat side trim to access the hold-down bolts (seat slider to body).
:)


I was just out there playing with the seat base/frame and found that I could remove the outermost two hold down bolts with a 1/2" box end wrench without removing the side panels. I removed and replaced all 8 bolts, 4 per side, adding never-sieze to the threads so when I do actually take the front seat out (to install carpet, etc.) there won't be issues.

Now back to what I started to do: right side rocker panel improvements.

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Posted 2017-10-02 8:21 PM (#549639 - in reply to #526294)
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Whoever previously took my front seat out only put four of the bolts back in. So, I've scrounged four matching bolts from my hoard. Unfortunately, I have a broken bolt on the driver side to extract.

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Posted 2017-10-02 9:30 PM (#549644 - in reply to #549639)
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71charger_fan - 2017-10-02 8:21 PM Whoever previously took my front seat out only put four of the bolts back in. So, I've scrounged four matching bolts from my hoard. Unfortunately, I have a broken bolt on the driver side to extract.


Well that sucks. Use a bunch of penetrating oil (PB Blaster, etc) to help with the extraction. The captured nut on the bottom of the floor pan appears to be welded to the pan from below (that is a bit of guess because my undercarriage was undercoated at some point). You might be able to access the broken bit from below as well.

While I was cleaning up under that seat I found a Shell gas credit card receipt signed by maybe the last US owner with the license plate number shown below (when I first got the car). Unfortunately I can't read the date or the city name - but it might be Vancouver WA.

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Posted 2017-10-03 3:37 PM (#549708 - in reply to #549644)
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I refinished the seat side trim to match the dash color scheme. I'll eventually redo the seats in a white/black combo.



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Posted 2017-10-03 3:45 PM (#549709 - in reply to #549708)
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I cleaned up the passenger floor under the back seat. While there was plenty of surface rust, there were no perforations. I suspect much of what corrosion there was was from rodent urine given the size of the mouse nests that were in that seat cushion. I just gave it a coat of POR-15 to seal it. Next, moving on to the driver's side rear.



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Posted 2017-10-03 7:47 PM (#549718 - in reply to #526294)
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I painted the seat side trim on my '56 Plymouth exactly the same, except in (the original) blue & white instead of black and white.
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Posted 2017-10-03 8:01 PM (#549721 - in reply to #526294)
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Since I had some bleed under the tape, I'm thinking of going to the auto body supply, picking up some finelines tape, and masking off the grooves on the side trim and painting those silver.
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Posted 2017-10-04 3:58 PM (#549764 - in reply to #549721)
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Today, I cleaned up the driver's side floor under the back seat. It was very solid back there. Lots of surface rust, but nothing deep. A good coat of POR-15 and I'll move on to the driver's side rear footwell.



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Posted 2017-10-10 3:24 PM (#550110 - in reply to #549764)
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Today, I cleaned up and coated the driver's side rear foot footwell. There were a lot of small rust holes in this area so I generously spread fiberglass cloth around to make sure I got them all.



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Posted 2017-10-13 8:22 PM (#550259 - in reply to #550110)
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I ran out of grey POR-15 and had to second coat the driver's side rear seat floor pan in black. So, I went ahead and third coated all three foot wells in black. I'll get the front seat back in tomorrow and probably roll over to a local cruise night (assuming it's not raining).



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Posted 2017-10-13 10:38 PM (#550265 - in reply to #550259)
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How long does POR15 take to dry/cure?

You know a lawn chair would fit in there right?

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Posted 2017-10-14 9:23 PM (#550313 - in reply to #526294)
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I'd say after a few hours it was good and dry. It has a weird chemistry in that it dries faster when it's humid. I laid pretty much all of this when it was very damp.
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Posted 2017-10-17 2:18 PM (#550480 - in reply to #550313)
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Between Hershey and Ebay, I've accumulated a few emblems for an eventual repaint. Even though my car didn't have a Suburban emblem, I think I'll add one just so the Chevy folks can scratch their heads at cruise-ins.



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Posted 2017-10-17 2:20 PM (#550481 - in reply to #526294)
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I gave up, at least for now, on the broken seat mounting bolt after snapping off a screw extractor in it. There were only four bolts holding it in when I bought it and now there are seven. I'm calling it good enough.
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Posted 2017-10-17 2:40 PM (#550483 - in reply to #526294)
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If you want to remove it, weld a blob or a nut to the end of it. Then turn it out while it is still warm (but not red-hot). The welding will heat it up enough to dislodge the rust holding it in place and the blob or nut gives you something to grab onto. I have removed broken off exhaust studs in heads that have sat out in a field for 20 years using this method.
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Posted 2017-10-18 3:57 PM (#550555 - in reply to #550483)
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I'm working on assembling a front suspension rebuild kit without having to resort to any of the Chinese stuff being sold now.



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After rewiring this 1955 Plymouth Plaza Suburban from 6V positive ground to 12V negative ground, I was still left with a 6V heater blower motor. Today, I switched that out using a 4 Seasons Unimotor. I should have measured how far off the mounting plate the fan sat as I had to install/remove/install a few times to get the fan set to the proper depth, but, other than that, it went pretty smoothly. The bushing supplied with the motor makes up for the shaft being too narrow for the hole in the fan. I had to file down one end of the bushing to get it to slip into the fan. I had to make the black lead positive and ground the red lead to get it to turn in the proper direction for the Plymouth.



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Posted 2017-10-19 8:25 PM (#550636 - in reply to #550575)
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Today, I decided to try and figure out why my cowl vent won't open all the way. While poking around under the dash, I realized the bottom of the heater box was packed with dirt. The only way to get it out was to pull the heater box off the cowl. I still haven't gotten to the bottom of why the cowl vent won't open all the way.




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Posted 2017-10-19 9:19 PM (#550641 - in reply to #550636)
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71charger_fan - 2017-10-19 8:25 PM Today, I decided to try and figure out why my cowl vent won't open all the way. While poking around under the dash, I realized the bottom of the heater box was packed with dirt. The only way to get it out was to pull the heater box off the cowl. I still haven't gotten to the bottom of why the cowl vent won't open all the way.


There might have been an easier way to get that dirt out but the heat box is off now. Now you get to rehab the motor, consider replacing the heater core, etc, etc, (the can of worms is open now).

As for the cowl vent lever, it will depend on which type you have (there are two types for 55-56 Dodge and Plymouths (and maybe Desotos and Chryslers).

This was why mine wouldn't open (totally rusted) (see link below photo):



REFERENCE: How to rehab a 56 Dodge Cowl Vent Lever:

http://www.forwardlook.net/forums/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=63613&...

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Posted 2017-10-19 10:47 PM (#550644 - in reply to #526294)
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That looks like the same mechanism that's in my car. It seems to work fine. It's the vent itself that seems to be jammed. I disconnected the linkage and can't pull the vent open.

I went ahead and pulled the heater box off to make sure I got all that dirt out of there and to ensure there were no rodent nests and associated feces hiding there.
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Posted 2017-10-20 1:30 AM (#550651 - in reply to #550644)
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71charger_fan - 2017-10-19 10:47 PM
That looks like the same mechanism that's in my car. It seems to work fine. It's the vent itself that seems to be jammed. I disconnected the linkage and can't pull the vent open..


Please don't make the same mistake as I made in that situation. Please read through this thread before forcing anything.

http://www.forwardlook.net/forums/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=65057&...

I still haven't fixed that problem. Very Very UGLY.



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Posted 2017-10-20 9:05 AM (#550660 - in reply to #526294)
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I just read through that thread. What a mess. Hopefully, having my heater box off the firewall will make mine less of an ordeal. However, it's still almost impossible to see in there. I did just order one of those Mercury Marine bellows for my car. Thanks for that tip.
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Posted 2017-10-20 12:08 PM (#550672 - in reply to #550660)
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71charger_fan - 2017-10-20 9:05 AM
I just read through that thread. What a mess. Hopefully, having my heater box off the firewall will make mine less of an ordeal. However, it's still almost impossible to see in there. I did just order one of those Mercury Marine bellows for my car. Thanks for that tip.


Yeh, as soon as I read that about your stiff cowl vent I knew that I had to help you avoid my mess. Use an inspection mirror to locate the two hinges and spray the heck out them with PB Blaster or the like and let it soak in for a day or so before trying to work the hinges. And then, make sure that you are actually moving the hinged bit not ripping the hinge from the body like I inadvertently did.

The Mercury Marine bellows needed ZERO cutting. I just pulled the big end through the firewall hole and sealed it to the inside with black messy sticky hate it silicone sealant. I will post a photo of that hopefully later today. (It was done weeks ago, I just forgot to take a photo).

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Posted 2017-10-20 8:22 PM (#550716 - in reply to #526294)
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Today, I worked the cowl a little to see if maybe it would loosen up on its own. It didn't. I vacuumed out all the packed dirt then sprayed the crap out of that section of cowl with WD-40 since it has a long bendable nozzle and I could really get it up in there. I started working at the screws that hold the cowl flap to the hinge. They do not want to come out, but I got one to turn about half a rotation without breaking off. Not sure how I'll get them back in once I get them out, but we'll cross that bridge when we get to it.

I added the photo of my open cowl to your thread as I thought it might be helpful there.

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Posted 2017-10-20 8:48 PM (#550718 - in reply to #550716)
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I think only one of my screws came out whole. The others broke off but I was able to turn them from the back as if they were going in and because the threads were cleaner going that way, they came out, leaving okay threads for new screws (yet to be sourced).

PS: Try something other than WD40 on the rusty hinges, e.g. PB Blaster or Liquid Wrench.



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Posted 2017-10-20 8:52 PM (#550719 - in reply to #526294)
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If you use a torch to heat the screws up red hot, and then turn them while still hot, they should come out without breaking. That is if you can get the torch etc up there to get to them without setting the car on fire.
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Posted 2017-10-20 9:44 PM (#550722 - in reply to #526294)
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Given the amount of penetrate I've sprayed up in there, I'd be very afraid to take a torch to the area.
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56D500boy - 2017-10-20 6:48 PM PS: Try something other than WD40 on the rusty hinges, e.g. PB Blaster.

What he said ...................  (with my emphasis)  

 

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I got the cowl vent out today and successfully snapped off all three screws. Go big or go home. The hinge is well and truly stuck. It's soaking in PB Blaster now. I took a piece of scrap wood and, with a small ball pein, gave it a few sharp taps to see if it would magically break free. It didn't. Hopefully, given enough penetrant and time, it'll move. If I can get any movement at all, it'll help work the penetrating oil in and hopefully restore its range of motion.



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Posted 2017-10-21 3:46 PM (#550756 - in reply to #550754)
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I also removed the insulation pad from the heater box and dug out the accumulated dirt and mud with a screw driver. Next, I'll give it a good scrubbing with soap and water, then clean and POR-15 the metal plate. I'll probably get some Thermo-Tec to replace the insulation.



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Posted 2017-10-21 4:39 PM (#550759 - in reply to #550756)
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Grab those broken screws from the back side with needle-nosed vicegrips and turn them in the "in" direction. They will hopefully, like mine, break loose and turn so you can remove them. Save the bits to check the thread size for the new replacements that you will eventually need.

Be patient with the hinge. You do NOT want to break it (at either end).

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Posted 2017-10-23 2:29 PM (#550865 - in reply to #550759)
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I got my Mercruiser replacement bellows for my cowl vent rod. Still no luck getting the hinge to move

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Posted 2017-10-23 8:03 PM (#550899 - in reply to #550865)
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I did get two out of the three snapped off screws out today. The one in the middle still won't budge.



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Posted 2017-10-23 9:35 PM (#550907 - in reply to #550899)
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71charger_fan - 2017-10-23 8:03 PM
I did get two out of the three snapped off screws out today. The one in the middle still won't budge.


Keep spraying it (and the hinges with PB Blaster, etc.

Patience grasshopper patience

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Posted 2017-10-23 10:19 PM (#550909 - in reply to #550899)
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71charger_fan - 2017-10-23 6:03 PM I did get two out of the three snapped off screws out today. The one in the middle still won't budge.


....time to upgrade to a rust removing spray chemical, huh? (like CLR, or better)

.......and do I have a vent screw story for you two, .....new film and news sometime tomorrow!
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Posted 2017-10-24 3:15 PM (#550956 - in reply to #550909)
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Sorry if I’m hijacking this thread. Thought this might be helpful to future readers. Seeing the trials and tribulations that the vent hinge has caused I was getting paranoid about mine, so Sunday, instead of grinding mig welds (boring), I tackled my vent hinge, the heater box was already off so easy access,

So I have many good things to say about the semi-arid climate where I live and where this car came from.  The screws and parts were out in less than 10 minutes.  (Sorry).

 

Would this be a bad time to ask where to get the cowl vent seal from?  

 





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Posted 2017-10-24 3:33 PM (#550960 - in reply to #526294)
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I got a cowl vent seal from Bernbaum (http://store.oldmoparts.com/index.php?)

Since your screws seem to have come out in good shape, can you post what size they are? Mine (what little bit came out) are badly rusted. I'm afraid they're something odd like 12-24 that won't be available locally.

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Posted 2017-10-24 3:38 PM (#550961 - in reply to #550960)
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Today, I wire brushed the back side of the cowl vent and the steel plate in the heater box and gave them each a coat of POR-15.

I was quite happy to have been able to get some movement on the cowl vent hinge. With the heater box out, it's relatively easy to reach in there with a small pry bar and move it. I got a little movement, sprayed it with more PB B'laster, waited a while, then moved it back. It's still nowhere near having its full range of motion, but any movement is encouraging.



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Posted 2017-10-24 3:41 PM (#550962 - in reply to #550960)
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Will do gladly.... probably be tomorrow,
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Posted 2017-10-24 4:09 PM (#550966 - in reply to #526294)
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Thanks, appreciate it.
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Posted 2017-10-24 4:31 PM (#550968 - in reply to #550961)
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71charger_fan - 2017-10-24 3:38 PM
I was quite happy to have been able to get some movement on the cowl vent hinge. With the heater box out, it's relatively easy to reach in there with a small pry bar and move it. I got a little movement, sprayed it with more PB B'laster, waited a while, then moved it back. It's still nowhere near having its full range of motion, but any movement is encouraging.


I was happy with the motion that I got to. UNTIL I realized that it was the hinge mount fatiguing and breaking off. Personally I would have avoided the small pry bar and only wiggled the hinge by hand.

Good luck.

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Posted 2017-10-24 4:43 PM (#550969 - in reply to #526294)
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If you notice it isn't going to budge, break out the torch before you do any damage. Heat performs miracles to free up rusted parts.
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Posted 2017-10-25 1:27 PM (#551018 - in reply to #550966)
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I've come to realize that, with the unique shape of the wagon's fuel tank, I really needed the wagon fuel sender hooked up to the original wagon gauge. So, many dollars later, I have an NOS one.



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Posted 2017-10-25 1:29 PM (#551019 - in reply to #551018)
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I'm also continuing to collect old, NOS suspension parts trying to avoid Chinesium components as much as possible.



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Posted 2017-10-25 2:34 PM (#551024 - in reply to #526294)
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Cowl vent hinge screws appear to be;

3/16 dia X ¼-or 5/16 long stove bolts ......OR....... #10-24 dia X ¾ or 5/16 long machine screws (they are the same thing).

The threads appear to be a bit sloppy but the threaded bracket is not very thick, an anal Vergio (me) would use a longer screw and double nut it, your average Mopar guy would complicate it as much as possible.
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Posted 2017-10-25 4:02 PM (#551031 - in reply to #551024)
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Thanks. I dug around and found one #10-24 machine screw in the garage and tried it. It fit perfectly. I took the propane torch to the third screw and it finally came out. I was a little worried when a few wisps of smoke came from the defroster vent inside the car, but all seems okay.



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Posted 2017-10-25 4:05 PM (#551032 - in reply to #551031)
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The front of the underside of the cowl vent was pretty heavily rusted. Today, I wire brushed and sanded it, then sealed that surface with some POR-15. If only the hinge was bolted in instead of welded in. It would be nice to be able to strip and coat that.


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Posted 2017-10-26 3:33 PM (#551101 - in reply to #551032)
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I cleaned up the length of the cowl vent rod and coated most of it with POR-15. Eventually, I'll sandblast the clevis and coat that too. I didn't coat the bottom as I was afraid it would make it too hard to get the clip back on it.



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Posted 2017-10-26 3:34 PM (#551102 - in reply to #551101)
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My heater box insulation came today. I'll probably cut and fit that tomorrow.



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Posted 2017-10-27 4:08 PM (#551198 - in reply to #551102)
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The hinge has loosened enough that I can now move it to the fully closed position. A bag of #10-24 button-head cap screws came today. They're a little long, but they'll work.




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Posted 2017-10-27 4:39 PM (#551199 - in reply to #551198)
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71charger_fan - 2017-10-27 4:08 PM The hinge has loosened enough that I can now move it to the fully closed position. A bag of #10-24 button-head cap screws came today. They're a little long, but they'll work.


I am envious. Too bad nobody had broken their hinge before me and stopped me from breaking mine



I still have to put the lid on that can of worms. I can do that in the garage over the winter.

Right now the weather is fantastic for working outside on the car.

You can trim those cap screws down to a shorter length using a Dremel with the small abrasive cutting disc. Works great (wear I protection and go slow).

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Posted 2017-10-27 9:35 PM (#551209 - in reply to #526294)
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It's still extremely tight and impossible to move by hand. I'm still having to pry it to move it. So, I'm not yet safe from the possibility of breaking the hinge, but I'm optimistic.
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Posted 2017-10-27 11:05 PM (#551216 - in reply to #551209)
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71charger_fan - 2017-10-27 7:35 PM It's still extremely tight and impossible to move by hand. I'm still having to pry it to move it. So, I'm not yet safe from the possibility of breaking the hinge, but I'm optimistic.


SO! I made some seat belt upper anchors (this is not my first rodeo) as Dave Forgie is doing and these are the brackets one before and one after being soaked in Phosphoric acid. I have tried to buy some more unsuccessfully but I did get a pail of new stuff that I haven't tried yet. In the old days there was a product called navel jelly (I think) and there many new ones that EAT rust. (hint)





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Posted 2017-10-28 8:48 AM (#551224 - in reply to #526294)
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Home Depot has a phosphoric prep and etch for sale (at least in the U.S.). I may have to give that a try.
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Posted 2017-10-28 3:38 PM (#551230 - in reply to #551224)
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Today, I moved and sprayed the hinge some more and made new insulation for the heater box.



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Posted 2017-10-28 3:41 PM (#551231 - in reply to #549632)
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56D500boy - 2017-10-02 5:14 PM
I'll see how ambitious I get later (during the winter) when I start dealing with the seats.
:)


56D500boy - 2017-10-02 7:03 PM
I was just out there playing with the seat base/frame and found that I could remove the outermost two hold down bolts with a 1/2" box end wrench without removing the side panels. I removed and replaced all 8 bolts, 4 per side, adding never-sieze to the threads so when I do actually take the front seat out (to install carpet, etc.) there won't be issues.
:)


Well it must be winter because I have taken both the rear seat totally out AND the front seat it out too ( a little tricky by myself but slowly slowly it was doable). In the end, it was faster to take the metal seat bottom covers off, made the access to the outer bolts easier, I could get a socket on the outside forward bolt (but NOT the rear outside bolt). At least now I can paint the inside of those covers (Tremclad Royal Blue is almost a perfect match for my situation)>

Somewhere somehow, I ordered carpet and I want to see it if fits (because it turns out to be for a 55-56 Desoto Fireflite (4 dr Sedan).

Question: How is the front seat back attached to the seat frame? I would like to remove it to paint the seat frame (well at least the bottom).



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Posted 2017-10-28 9:51 PM (#551238 - in reply to #526294)
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I haven't yet figured that one out. It seems that the seat back pieces probably have to be bent to clear the pins on the seat frame. I was hesitant to try it, but I'll have to deal with it some day. I'm reasonably sure there's at least one old yet undiscovered mouse nest in my front seat back.

I bought carpet for mine and I'm kicking myself for not checking the fit while all the seats were out.

Definitely easier to deal with the front seats with the metal side covers off. I'm not reinstalling mine until after I put on new seat covers.

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Posted 2017-10-28 10:28 PM (#551241 - in reply to #526294)
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I bought the carpet for mine, and the fit isn't great but it works. Most of the trouble is under the front seat so it is workable.
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Posted 2017-10-28 11:30 PM (#551248 - in reply to #551241)
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Powerflite - 2017-10-28 10:28 PM
I bought the carpet for mine, and the fit isn't great but it works. Most of the trouble is under the front seat so it is workable.


Nathan: Where did you get your carpet and what did you order for which car?

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Posted 2017-10-29 1:04 AM (#551256 - in reply to #526294)
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Same as yours, from AC. I think all of them are made by the same place no matter who you buy it from. This was for my '56 Savoy.
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Posted 2017-10-30 8:28 PM (#551359 - in reply to #551209)
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Well crap. I guess it was inevitable.



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Posted 2017-10-30 9:32 PM (#551364 - in reply to #551359)
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71charger_fan - 2017-10-30 8:28 PM
Well crap. I guess it was inevitable.


Sorry. I laughed (ironically, with a tinge of pity but a lot of compassion).

Hopefully the other end is still working. Now that there are two of us in this situation, together we might be able to come up with a solution.

I have a sketch of my idea to fix mine that I will scan and post up.

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Posted 2017-10-30 10:03 PM (#551367 - in reply to #526294)
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I was thinking of making a hinge bracket that attached to the firewall behind the heater box that would be long enough to reach up in there.
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Posted 2017-10-30 10:04 PM (#551368 - in reply to #526294)
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Shoot, mine is still working great. Maybe I should get under there and oil it up!
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Posted 2017-10-30 11:43 PM (#551371 - in reply to #551368)
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Powerflite - 2017-10-30 10:04 PM
Shoot, mine is still working great. Maybe I should get under there and oil it up!


Did you miss this thread?:

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Posted 2017-11-05 10:53 AM (#551672 - in reply to #551359)
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I haven't touched the car in more than a week, but I'm still gathering old suspension parts.



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Posted 2017-11-05 2:29 PM (#551690 - in reply to #526294)
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I did find a suitable substitute for the curved heater hose from the heater control valve to the heater core.
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Posted 2017-11-06 3:59 PM (#551735 - in reply to #551690)
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Today, I drilled (and Dremel'd) the frozen bracket off of the cowl vent hinge. I'm trying to figure out a suitable work around to replace that passenger side pivot.




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71charger_fan - 2017-11-06 3:59 PM Today, I drilled (and Dremel'd) the frozen bracket off of the cowl vent hinge. I'm trying to figure out a suitable work around to replace that passenger side pivot.


Thanks for kicking my butt. That is one of my oldest untamed cans of worms

http://www.forwardlook.net/forums/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=65057&...

My idea was to Dremel off the Hinge pin (but I see drilling it off works well too), and then using an angle/corner bracket to create the new hinge. One leg of the brace would be vertical and attached to the cowl vent hinge with a small bolt and nyloc nut. The other leg would be horizontal and bolted to the flat part of the cowl. The location for that would be a bit of trial and error using a drill to create trial holes. Initially the bolt head would be exposed beside the cowl vent. Once the location was fixed and the cowl vent was operating fine (enough), I would remove the vertical bolt and drill a larger hole in the upper cowl, through the top layer but not the bottom layer (there are several). Then I would reinstall the vertical bolt and, after confirming that it the hinge still works, fill in the larger hole and refinish and paint the cowl.

To decrease the "Trial and Error" on the location of the new hinge bracket, I can use the cowl piece that I got from John at Big M to get it within half a millimeter (see below)

Proposed 3/4" x 3/4" angle bracket (not too scale) (might need to be smaller or purpose made from flat stock):



My initial probe holes from back in March:



I can measure sizes and locations using the cowl and hinge shown in this photo, *IF* we can establish the proper measurement reference points:



PAUSE While I go down to basement and find the cowl section and probing size drill bit. I felt inside where I thought the hole should go. Got through the first layer but made no progress (maybe hitting the hinge). So I moved over a bit and tried again. Very close but needed to be over a bit more (for the angle bracket that I have). Third hole lucky.

Location is 18 mm back from the rounded edge of the cowl vent depression and either about 4" from the centerline of the right windshield washer nozzle or about 15/16" from the outer metal lip (at it's widest point) where the gasket sits. See below (Ignore the some of the measurements that you see and read the above and the photo label). Distances would vary depending on the bracket chosen.

Thanks for kicking my butt. I have other things to do today but I decided that I should at least post this:







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Posted 2017-11-06 6:33 PM (#551750 - in reply to #551745)
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Went back down to measure the height of the hinge pin off the "floor" (upside down ceiling) and had a thought.

First - the distance is around 5/16" (hard to measure)

The thought: I might be easier to mount the new hinge bracket on the inboard side of the hinge rather than on the outboard side which is not flat like the inboard side.

This will require more probing (on Weds. busy tomorrow)

Inboard is the left in this photo:



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I'm trying a piece of flat stock in which I've twisted a 90-degree bend on the long axis. I'm hoping to get one end up inside the cowl to act as the hinge then bend the flat stock along the face of the firewall and attach it to one of the nuts that secures the passenger-side vent. My hinge plate was not welded in square at the factory so my vent never sat square. I'm hoping when (if) I get this hinge jury rigged, I can also get the vent to sit square with the opening.
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Posted 2017-11-06 8:36 PM (#551760 - in reply to #551759)
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71charger_fan - 2017-11-06 8:24 PM I'm trying a piece of flat stock in which I've twisted a 90-degree bend on the long axis. I'm hoping to get one end up inside the cowl to act as the hinge then bend the flat stock along the face of the firewall and attach it to one of the nuts that secures the passenger-side vent. My hinge plate was not welded in square at the factory so my vent never sat square. I'm hoping when (if) I get this hinge jury rigged, I can also get the vent to sit square with the opening.


Good luck. I'm going to stick with my proposed solution.

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Posted 2017-11-06 9:14 PM (#551763 - in reply to #526294)
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I very well may wind up with your solution. I'm not sure I can make my idea work.
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Posted 2017-11-07 1:17 PM (#551788 - in reply to #551763)
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One of the insulation retainers crumbled and fell apart when I tried to pull it off. Since I had 99 left over #12-24 nuts from the box I had to buy to get the one nut I needed, I threaded one of the studs, used a scrap piece of plastic as a retainer for the insulation, and double-nutted two #12-24 nuts to hold the plastic.


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Posted 2017-11-08 3:43 PM (#551858 - in reply to #551788)
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I'm pretty sure I can make this twisted flat bar hinge repair work. Determining where to drill the hole for the actual hinge will be a challenge. I think I may have to notch the bottom of the vent itself. The stud is 1/4-28. Fortunately, I had a buy a few 1/4-28 nuts to repair a chainsaw a few years ago.


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Posted 2017-11-08 4:09 PM (#551861 - in reply to #551858)
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You are in a unique situation relative to mine in that you have the heater box off the car. Based on what I see, your solution should work if you can get the bracket lined up correctly. If I was you I would make an good educated estimate of where the hinge pin needs to be located and drill the appropriate sized hole based on what you are going to use as a hinge pin. I would then slot the lower hole so you can make adjustments up and down until everything works as you hope. Install the hinge pin and put the bracket slot over the lower stud and adjust (and readjust) until the vent is closing evenly across the cowl vent opening. That is one thing that my solution can not do, other than making a new 90 deg hinge plate if things aren't parallel.

Good luck. Keep us up to date.

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Posted 2017-11-09 3:24 PM (#551923 - in reply to #551861)
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I put my bracket in then got the hinge where I thought it needed to be. I used an awl with a 90-degree bend to reach up and scratch the bracket through the hole in the hinge. I then drilled a hole centered on the scratch marks. I took a couple of bottle caps and made plastic washers so the hinge and bracket wouldn't be metal to metal. I put it together (the first time backwards of course) with a #10 machine screw. I put a double nut on the screw so it wouldn't be too tight and wouldn't back off.


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Posted 2017-11-09 5:33 PM (#551938 - in reply to #551923)
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Looking good!! I like the bottle cap washer idea. Nice.

As for the rod boot. I did not cut mine at the bottom but I think some trimming is possible (but not needed). No photo but I used black silicone sealant to seal the boot to the body where it comes into the body. You could seal on both sides (bottom and in the plenum) if you still have the heater box off.

My trial fit from the passenger compartment side.

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Posted 2017-11-09 10:08 PM (#551952 - in reply to #526294)
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I'm convinced part of the problem with mine was the rivet for the passenger side had been smashed too tight when the assembly was made. Even with almost all the rivet head drilled off, that piece of hinge bracket still refused to turn even the slightest bit. Fortunately, I have one C-clamp that's missing the pad on the screw. So, the pin part that remains was what I used to push out the remains of the rivet from the hinge into a socket.
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Posted 2017-11-09 10:51 PM (#551957 - in reply to #551952)
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Interesting. Could be a common failure then (because of an over-zealous riveter/out of adjustment crimper at the factory).

Thanks for the C-clamp hint.



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Posted 2017-11-10 3:12 PM (#551989 - in reply to #551957)
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When you guys get your cowl vents working smoothly, consider making them electric with a linear actuator.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s7yUvR7NPVU



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Posted 2017-11-11 10:22 PM (#552087 - in reply to #526294)
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That's a cool set up, but beyond where I'm looking to go with this car.
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Posted 2017-11-12 1:24 AM (#552093 - in reply to #551989)
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57chizler - 2017-11-10 3:12 PM
When you guys get your cowl vents working smoothly, consider making them electric with a linear actuator.


Sorry. That's a $100 answer to a $10 question. I've already rehabbed and greased the bell-crank mechanism which works very nicely now, thanks. No need to complicate things with power it at all.

Now if that was power activators on exhaust side pipe outlets, I might be interested.

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Posted 2017-11-15 3:39 PM (#552300 - in reply to #551952)
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The round wire spring hose clamps on this thing have been giving me fits. Even though I had a pair of hose clamp pliers, they wouldn't open these clamps enough. I bought a pair of Channelock 558 hose clamp pliers. They have turned out to be exactly what I needed.




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Posted 2017-11-15 4:12 PM (#552303 - in reply to #552093)
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56D500boy - 2017-11-11 10:24 PM

57chizler - 2017-11-10 3:12 PM
When you guys get your cowl vents working smoothly, consider making them electric with a linear actuator.


Sorry. That's a $100 answer to a $10 question.


Not in my case, the vent lever was in the way of my hang-on A/C evaporator.
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Posted 2017-11-16 1:46 AM (#552352 - in reply to #552300)
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71charger_fan - 2017-11-15 3:39 PM
The round wire spring hose clamps on this thing have been giving me fits. Even though I had a pair of hose clamp pliers, they wouldn't open these clamps enough. I bought a pair of Channelock 558 hose clamp pliers. They have turned out to be exactly what I needed.


I wish I had that problem. I hate my thermostat housing to radiator corrugated hose and its gear clamps. I would love a nice smooth OE style rad hose and spring clamps.

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What I would prefer hose-wise (not sure about the air cleaner):







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Posted 2017-11-19 2:21 PM (#552701 - in reply to #552300)
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Finally, an operating cowl vent. That wasn't in any way a giant PITA. You can see the paint line on the screen where it was frozen partially open. Funny how someone just painted the car with it like that.

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Posted 2017-11-19 2:42 PM (#552703 - in reply to #552701)
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Even though this is covered in a separate thread, I'm going to repost the below in this thread so there'll be a thread that contains everything I've been doing.

I found a curved heater hose (Gates 18701/NAPA NBH 10701) that, with trimming, made a decent stand in for my original looped hose from the heater control valve to the heater core.




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Posted 2017-11-29 3:02 PM (#553390 - in reply to #552703)
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I'm waiting to get the car into the body shop to get some rust repair taken car of, but I'm continuing to acquire parts.




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