'57 New Yorker Coupe
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Posted 2016-12-23 8:20 PM (#529650)
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John & M'Lisa dropped by my place today and dropped off this little gem. It is a well optioned Los Angeles built car, but unfortunately missing it's motor and trans. So I am going to put a Cummins diesel into it with vertical stacks on either side of the doors and 4wd axles..... just kidding. I have a 392 hemi from a '57 New Yorker in the garage that seems the perfect fit for this car. The trans will likely come from my '58 Desoto, but I am going to have to finish replacing the drivetrain in my Desoto first before I can get to work on this car. It started raining almost as soon as John left so I didn't get a lot of time to play with it yet, but I did clear out a lot of the leaves and dirt from the engine bay.

One question I have is: I know that most of the lower level cars got battleship gray engine bays and trunks. But were the upper level cars painted the same way? I ask because I have never seen a 300C or 300D painted this way, as well as some other high end cars. So would this New Yorker be painted gray or body color?



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Posted 2016-12-23 8:22 PM (#529651 - in reply to #529650)
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Posted 2016-12-23 9:08 PM (#529655 - in reply to #529651)
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This should be same colour as roof, when the car was painted, roof would have been first to be painted, then masked and body painted over the overspray from roof, paint worn or burnt over time leaving the colour of roof showing, but if you notice the fenders that are painted separate to body that is showing the red primer coat.



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Posted 2016-12-23 9:40 PM (#529658 - in reply to #529655)
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Thanks, my question is more about the engine bay and trunk. I guess I could do a little bit of investigation there once I get it cleaned up.
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Posted 2016-12-23 10:18 PM (#529660 - in reply to #529650)
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If you look at Greg's restoration pictures on the 300 he did, most of the panels are bolted to the car before paint, but this one looks to have had the front fenders painted before they are fitted? May be to do with the plant they are built? I had a all Black 58 Dodge custom royal , Canadian built but with Dodge front, that was grey in trunk and underside, yet the 58 Regal is Black in trunk and underside painted over the red oxide primer?
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Posted 2016-12-23 10:24 PM (#529662 - in reply to #529650)
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Nathan, that looks a fairly sound and unmessed with car, does it have any power windows or seat etc, there was a member from the UK interested in that one , looks like he lost out on that one?
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Posted 2016-12-24 2:21 AM (#529674 - in reply to #529662)
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Yes, it looks like it has quite a few options. Power windows, seat, brakes & steering, washer, dual rear antennae, signal seeking radio, rear speaker, but no fender or hood ornaments.
Here is the body tag, although LA tags don't give out much info. It looks like I have one original black plate for the car. If I could find the other, I should be able to get it licensed with them.



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Posted 2016-12-24 7:10 PM (#529714 - in reply to #529674)
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I thought Ed would jump in on this underhood color subject.

Although I do not know this as fact for all marques, the 57 DeSotos
built in Detroit had grey inner fender panels, whereas those built in
L.A. had P&A Black. I would presume the Chryslers would be the same.
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Posted 2016-12-24 10:04 PM (#529715 - in reply to #529714)
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Got a chance to look over it a bit today. The trunk lid and trunk are definitely gray color. The trunk lid is also definitely toast. Rusted out all along the edges on both the inside and outside. So I replaced it with a 300D lid and removed all the trim pieces on it so it could be disposed of. The 300D trunk lid is painted body color (black) on the inside, by the way, and has some indents along the front lower edge that are not present on the New Yorker lid. I also replaced the broken taillight lens & missing New Yorker emblem. This lens is cracked, but at least it looks better than it did.

I have this one license plate that was originally on the front, and it is the correct plate number on the title. So I need the other one. John, if you could check your place to see if you have another black DFF-403 plate somewhere, I would really appreciate it. I would really like to use these plates when I register it, but I need the other one in order to do it.

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Posted 2016-12-26 10:53 AM (#529772 - in reply to #529715)
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Powerflite - 2016-12-25 3:04 AM

Got a chance to look over it a bit today. The trunk lid and trunk are definitely gray color. The trunk lid is also definitely toast. Rusted out all along the edges on both the inside and outside. So I replaced it with a 300D lid and removed all the trim pieces on it so it could be disposed of. The 300D trunk lid is painted body color (black) on the inside, by the way, and has some indents along the front lower edge that are not present on the New Yorker lid. I also replaced the broken taillight lens & missing New Yorker emblem. This lens is cracked, but at least it looks better than it did.

I have this one license plate that was originally on the front, and it is the correct plate number on the title. So I need the other one. John, if you could check your place to see if you have another black DFF-403 plate somewhere, I would really appreciate it. I would really like to use these plates when I register it, but I need the other one in order to do it.


Nathan, those indentations you are referring to seem to be the difference between a 57 and 58 trunk lid?
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Posted 2016-12-26 12:19 PM (#529776 - in reply to #529772)
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Yes, I think all the '58 lids have them. They are present on my '58 Desoto lid too.



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Posted 2016-12-26 10:50 PM (#529824 - in reply to #529650)
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Nice find. My 57 NYer was built in LA also. The firewall was for sure painted the body color. I'm not sure about the inner fenders as mine have been repainted black.
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Posted 2017-01-09 11:41 AM (#530895 - in reply to #529824)
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This will give you an idea of how the Detroit-built NYer front clips were assembled.

Everywhere you see gray = factory Mist Gray paint

Everywhere you see brown = factory unpainted area

No wonder these cars were such rust buckets. I'm fortunate to have such a solid car. It was bought new in Oklahoma and spent some time in Texas.



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Posted 2017-01-09 11:57 AM (#530896 - in reply to #529650)
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Yeah, I agree. The interiors have even less paint. That's why the roofs rust out so easily on these cars. But it looks like you are in a good position to change all that.
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Posted 2017-01-09 9:49 PM (#530964 - in reply to #529650)
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Danny, what is the story of the new frame crossmember and engine mounts? Maybe start a new thread on it?
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Posted 2017-01-09 10:31 PM (#530970 - in reply to #530964)
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They aren't new; they're just clean. It's getting a 392 again.
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Posted 2017-01-10 12:03 PM (#531008 - in reply to #529650)
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I may be able to help you Nathan....I have the 4 dr sedan version...cloud white roof, jet black body, green interior, 392 Hemi, AC, Power windows, Powerseat,dual antennaes...mine is Detroit built, 1st 1/2 of 57 with the single headlights....
Nice ride Nathan.....
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Posted 2017-01-10 12:31 PM (#531010 - in reply to #531008)
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Almost like twins! That must have been a popular non-color combo back then. I like it alot better with the stripe painted white, rather than black like mine. Really nice, clean New Yorker you have there. It would be great to get some detailed info from you as it arises.

What is your trim code for the green interior? I think my interior is black/white or maybe beige with trim code 026. But I have no idea what 026 should look like.

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Posted 2017-01-11 12:25 PM (#531080 - in reply to #529650)
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I'll pull my build sheet at home and will let you know...
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Posted 2017-01-12 11:49 AM (#531153 - in reply to #529650)
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Trim code 15 = Dark Green Starlite Faille & Med. Green Broadcloth........per Build sheet
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Posted 2017-01-12 11:53 AM (#531155 - in reply to #529650)
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All your outside molding looks in good shape...those are not very easy to come by these days....looks like a nice project....what color are your valve covers and the big arse air cleaner on your engine??? Mine both need to be re-painted..
Also i'm in the market for the spark plug covers that attach to the valve covers....if you hear of any being sold...
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Posted 2017-01-12 12:46 PM (#531159 - in reply to #529650)
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I can come down to help you with the 57 Chrysler just to get out of this damm cold up here AH……LOL That 57 is a nice find for sure. Looks like you have some good projects underway there by looking at the photos provided. Good Luck
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Posted 2017-01-12 1:28 PM (#531165 - in reply to #531159)
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There seems to be some question on firewall color .... ?

Remember, the body shell was painted a single base color with two-toning
overlaid on that base. This was done off-site and delivered as such to the
assembly line to be built as ordered. It was on the assembly line that other
colored inner fenders and radiator supports came into play ... this is because
they were bolt-on parts, and situations varied as to what colors those were
painted .... different years, assembly plants, suppliers, etc.

But to the point, the firewall should always match the base body color of the
car, so a black car with white roof and sweep would have a black firewall. An
Autumn Rust car with charcoal roof and sweep would have an Autumn Rust
firewall. Were the latter car a 57 DeSoto, and built in Detroit, the inner fenders
and radiator support woulf be grey. If the same car were built in L.A. they'd be
P&A Black.

Clear as mud ?

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Posted 2017-01-12 2:50 PM (#531169 - in reply to #531155)
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Billy: All the molding is good except for the right lower door molding. I need to find a replacement for that one. This car has no motor, but the valve covers were originally silver and the air cleaner black. The spark plug covers are black too. Ebay is the best source for them and there is a company on there that reproduces them for $90, or you can get used ones too. When you get a chance, post up a picture of your interior on your thread. It would be good to see what it looks like.

Glen: Sure, come on over! Probably not a good time right now though. It has been non-stop rain here for the last 3 weeks or so. Pretty unusual for this place.

Doc: Yes, the firewall is obviously body color. The question was about the inner fenders. Being sold in LA, if the trunk is gray, would you think the inner fenders would be gray too or could it be black? There is almost no paint left on the inner fenders, but I can do some investigating once this rain stops so I can get some time to work on it. Although, yesterday, I did get time to remove the hood and weld it up at the hinge area so that I could open and close it without bending it... just before it started raining again.

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Posted 2017-01-12 6:33 PM (#531189 - in reply to #529650)
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Wow, all the brown areas were unpainted?! That's crazy, it does explain why these rusted out so early! You have a great project here, these cars are gorgeous and tough to find. I've looked for one for years, they simply just aren't out there. Almost had me believing the Cummings diesel idea I've seen that done once or twice.....
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Posted 2017-01-16 11:49 AM (#531478 - in reply to #529650)
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As you all can see the interior needs some work,,,but that's this year's project....car is covered up in the garrage here in upstate NY...19 degrees outside...come on Spring....
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Posted 2017-01-16 3:58 PM (#531489 - in reply to #529650)
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Nathan, when you remove the inner fenders from the fenders I think you will see that there was no paint on the inner ones. These cars were assembled with unpainted front sheet metal. The only paint that got there was after assembly and just what the spray guns could reach. All fasteners and those rubber dams were painted over.

Certainly not the way any of us would restore one!

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Posted 2017-01-16 9:20 PM (#531512 - in reply to #531169)
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Powerflite - 2017-01-13 11:50 AM
Doc: Yes, the firewall is obviously body color. The question was about the inner fenders. Being sold in LA, if the trunk is gray, would you think the inner fenders would be gray too or could it be black? There is almost no paint left on the inner fenders, but I can do some investigating once this rain stops so I can get some time to work on it. Although, yesterday, I did get time to remove the hood and weld it up at the hinge area so that I could open and close it without bending it... just before it started raining again. :(


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I still have the nose clip from my L.A.-built NY'er coupe. The inner fenders
and radiator support are P&A Black. This was a well-kept, 80,000 mile car
before some guy decided to build a drag car out of it, losing interest before
the car was beyond saving.
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Posted 2017-01-16 10:14 PM (#531522 - in reply to #529650)
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turn your Desoto into a ny'er this year... flip it back and forth

I have a "alternate" front end for my 300C... I have a spare 57 ny front clip. I guess I can tape over the 300C emblem on the quarters...
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Posted 2017-01-18 1:43 AM (#531635 - in reply to #531522)
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Thanks for the interior pics Bill. I can see the original green color on parts of the fabric. These interiors were great looking, when new. Looks like your car has the same problem that mine does - power windows. It's gonna take quite a bit of work to get my windows to roll up and down. I got a little bit of time to work on the car today and managed to get the doors open. So I fixed the door handles on the inside and outside so they all operate now. I also tore off the deteriorated outer seat cover on the front seat top to reveal what's left of the original fabric. That's a pretty neat pattern & combo. I will really like it when it's done. The only paint left on the inner fenders & radiator frame is black. So it was probably P&A black like Doc says, or just overspray from the body paint. Either way, it looks like I am going to paint them black.

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Posted 2017-01-18 11:57 AM (#531659 - in reply to #529650)
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Powerflite,
That is a pretty cool pattern on the seat...I see you have the same problem as my front seat,,,turning into saw dust....I'm hoping to work on interior this spring...believe it or not, all my power windows work...they don't all go back up from the drivers master switch, but they all go down from there...sometimes i have to climb over to the individual window and put it back up from there...there is a guy on this site who is 3D printing power window parts when you get that far......the power seat has issues but does groan and move....fun fun fun,,,always something to do with these cars...
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Posted 2017-01-23 12:37 PM (#532116 - in reply to #531659)
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Yes Bill, the seat foam self destructs whenever you touch it. I just cleared out most of it to keep it from littering the floor.

I got a whole day on Saturday without rain so that I was able to clean up the floors. Looks like it needs a patch in just this left rear part where water has collected over the years. The trunk floor is about the same. The rear trunk extension looked amazingly good until I put a wire wheel to it and it started to develop holes. So that was a little disappointing, but somewhat expected. Generally I would repair the panel before painting it but it was about to get another 2-3 days of rain so I had to protect it right away after I cleared off all the surface rust.



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Posted 2017-01-23 3:08 PM (#532135 - in reply to #531659)
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billy - 2017-01-18 9:57 AM

Powerflite,
That is a pretty cool pattern on the seat...I see you have the same problem as my front seat,,,turning into saw dust....I'm hoping to work on interior this spring...believe it or not, all my power windows work...they don't all go back up from the drivers master switch, but they all go down from there...sometimes i have to climb over to the individual window and put it back up from there...there is a guy on this site who is 3D printing power window parts when you get that far......the power seat has issues but does groan and move....fun fun fun,,,always something to do with these cars...
billy


Have you pulled it out and cleaned/lubed everything? ancient grease will do that and add significantly to the load the motor/trans see in the seat assembly.
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Posted 2017-01-25 11:59 AM (#532300 - in reply to #529650)
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Chrispy,
I have not dissected the power windows or power seat issues yet....all work to some extent....hopefully you are right and all it will need is a good cleaning and lube...thanks for the info...
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Posted 2017-01-25 3:56 PM (#532324 - in reply to #531522)
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mikes2nd - 2017-01-17 7:14 PM

turn your Desoto into a ny'er this year... flip it back and forth

I have a "alternate" front end for my 300C... I have a spare 57 ny front clip. I guess I can tape over the 300C emblem on the quarters...


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Posted 2017-01-26 11:49 AM (#532386 - in reply to #529650)
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hey Doc,,,what are you smoking??? They're basically the same car aren't they????
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billy - 2017-01-26 11:49 AM hey Doc,,,what are you smoking??? They're basically the same car aren't they???? billy

them's fighting words!!!

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Posted 2017-01-26 12:29 PM (#532395 - in reply to #529650)
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I thought i might get a rise out of somebody......
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Hehehehe ! .... close enough that the 300 Club guys told me
to use my NY'er coupe and Fireflite convertible as parts cars for
a 300 project !
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Posted 2017-01-26 4:02 PM (#532414 - in reply to #529650)
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DeSotos rule!

OK, I must clarify this - perhaps not the '61s but none of the '61s tripped my trigger in comparison to the '60s. Imperial would be the only exception in my opinion.


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Posted 2017-01-26 4:06 PM (#532415 - in reply to #532414)
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I usually prefer the look of Chrysler over the Desoto. Chrysler is only beat by DeSoto in '58 and '59. The rest, Chrysler wins.
Favorite design:

'55: 1. Chrysler 300 & Imperial 2. DeSoto
'56: 1. Plymouth 2. Tossup 300B,I,D
'57: 1. Chrysler (any, except 300) 2. Tossup Ds,D,P
'58: 1. DeSoto 2. Chrysler New Yorker & Dodge Regal Lancer (except remove those bumper teeth!)
'59: 1. Dodge 2. Plymouth
'60: 1. Chrysler 2. Dodge Polara
'61: 1. Dodge 2. Chrysler

My Score: Chrysler 4 1/3, Dodge 3 2/3, Desoto 2 1/3, Plymouth 2 1/3, Imperial 5/6
All-time favorite cars: '60 Chrysler, '57 Chrysler, '58 Desoto, '60 Polara.... Even if I arranged it this way, Chrysler would still win.
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In my early days of Forward Look cars, I had a 57 NY'er coupe and
my brother had a 60 Fireflite coupe. From Day One, the response he
got when he told people he had a DeSoto was 1000x more "deer-in-
the-headlights than saying I owned a Chrysler. THAT was the first bit
that tipped me towards being a DeSoto fan. When I found a few 57-
58 DeSotos, as much as I liked the NY'er (and I still find it a top shelf
FL design), the details like bumper-ported exhaust, the stacked tail lights
poking out of the chromed housings, the more exuberant sidetrim, and
the instrument cluster (don't care for those round pods on the Chrysler)
just sold me. I had to have a 57 Adventurer convertible ! But the being
stuck on go-fast and fancy wore off, and I came to like the slightly refined
look of the 58's better. The wedge was also a swaying factor. So, 58
Fireflite it was. There are a lot of kick-ass Forward Look cars, but the
58 Fireflite is the car for me.
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Sorry I'm late to this party, but for what it's worth, THIS PAGE (http://www.houstonmopars.org/specs/moparmotorpaint.jpg) says that a 1957 Chrysler should have inner fenders painted body color. It's a bit hard to read with all the "exceptions" and the phrasing sucks, PLUS I have some other issues with its accuracy. BUT, if you paint the inner fenders body color and anyone argues, at least you can point to this page to place the blame!
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When I compare the 56 Chrysler and 56 De Soto, IMHO both are looking very attractive. But the dashboard of the 56 De Soto is ways more sportive and attractive to me than the Chrysler/Imperial - even though the Chrysler dashboard is looking very nice as well. I don't really know but I assume the  Chrysler/Imperial had a better base equipmemt than the De Soto.

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57desoto - 2017-01-30 3:36 AM

Sorry I'm late to this party, but for what it's worth, THIS PAGE (http://www.houstonmopars.org/specs/moparmotorpaint.jpg) says that a 1957 Chrysler should have inner fenders painted body color. It's a bit hard to read with all the "exceptions" and the phrasing sucks, PLUS I have some other issues with its accuracy. BUT, if you paint the inner fenders body color and anyone argues, at least you can point to this page to place the blame!


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Posted 2017-02-20 8:24 PM (#534419 - in reply to #532116)
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I took advantage of a rainy day and pounded out the big dent in the passenger inner fender, but I've got a dozen extra holes to weld in there as well. I also disassembled the engine bay and cleaned everything down. Getting ready to do the prep work for paint. I welded in the two large holes in the firewall that were made for the aftermarket A/C back when I was working on the floor. They installed them too low, near the passenger's feet so I'm not keeping them like that. I also washed the outside of the car so it isn't so filthy. I need to get to work on the motor now.



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Posted 2017-02-20 8:59 PM (#534422 - in reply to #529650)
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Nice car and nice project.
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Posted 2017-02-22 12:42 AM (#534493 - in reply to #529650)
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Needs some Canadian rust...

Looking good! At least you are progressing faster than I am...
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Looks good...keep showing us pics....is that the oil filter access trap door I see on the passenger side??? Mine has similiar..
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Posted 2017-02-24 10:21 AM (#534626 - in reply to #529650)
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Thanks everyone. Brad, I think I have my fill of Californian rust so importing the pure Canadian form will have to wait for another time.

Bill, I never considered that as an oil filter access panel, more as just another fender mount because they use the same thing on the left side. But I guess it could be used that way.
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Posted 2017-02-26 12:50 AM (#534710 - in reply to #534626)
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On a whim, I decided to paint the roof since the original paint is all but gone and it is getting rusty up there. So I spent the day removing the trim and doing the repair work to the rear section. It was pretty rusty here because of a bad bondo job that allowed water to get underneath it. So I cut the section out, cleaned it all out, sprayed it down with a coat of epoxy primer and welded a patch into it. I learned the hard way when working on my Barracuda that whenever you do any grinding, cutting or welding, to always protect your glass with a damp cloth so that it doesn't get pitted from the hot sparks and molten balls. I got it all welded in, and half-way done welding up the crappy factory seam when I ran out of Argon gas. So I had to stop for the day. I am happy with the way it turned out. It shouldn't need much filler once I get the welds cut down.

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Posted 2017-02-27 11:33 AM (#534803 - in reply to #529650)
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Posted 2017-03-05 6:55 PM (#535221 - in reply to #534803)
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Thanks John I am happy to be making more progress on it. I cleaned it all up and came out quite well. It required a little more hammer and dolly work afterward than I thought it would. Probably because of the previous dent that was there. Working so close to the drip rail requires a lot of patience in doing the clean up work too.



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Posted 2017-03-05 7:05 PM (#535222 - in reply to #535221)
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I discovered some new work after I removed the drip rail and sanded it down. Two more holes to patch up. Fortunately, these are relatively easy to deal with. I just had to undo the screws holding the stainless trim to the panel to pry it away from there and stick the copper plate between it to protect it. Then use the copper welding spoon to hold against the backside, and weld them up. That welding spoon was the best $10 I ever spent at HarborFrieight. Be sure to carefully grind smooth the backside well to be able to get the trim back on afterward.



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Posted 2017-03-05 7:24 PM (#535225 - in reply to #535222)
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I also had time left over to sand down the entire roof. The old paint was severely cracked and was a real pain to remove. But I used a flapper wheel on an electric grinder and that seemed to work very well at cutting through it. Some places still have the undercoat on, but that is easier to remove and I will us a D/A sander on that to bring it down to bare metal. The orange tape worked pretty well at protecting the trim from the sander. In the future though, I think I would use black electrical tape instead. It would hold up better if you accidentally swipe it. Unfortunately, I found yet another pocket of rust that was completely hidden underneath the paint on the other side. I also discovered a small dent in the roof that needs to be addressed. Oh well, in the words of the great American poet, Larry the cable guy; I just need to "Git 'er done".

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Posted 2017-03-20 3:18 AM (#536281 - in reply to #535225)
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I got the metal repair on the roof done, painted it in primer, let it dry, and started wet sanding. I applied another coat of primer to fill small imperfections and will sand that once it dries. In the meantime, I welded in the extra holes on the right inner fender and cleaned it up pretty well. I was about to flatten this large dent in it until I realized that it was put there by the factory. Strange looking thing to be put there on purpose. Maybe it is there to provide extra clearance for the brake hose? There is another strange dent on the rear of the panel that doesn't look like it belongs there so I will check into it. I also still need to go over the small remaining dents from the large one that I took out in the center of the panel.

I decided to paint the inner fender mounting panels a gray color just to break up the monotony of an all-black engine compartment.



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Posted 2017-03-20 3:58 AM (#536282 - in reply to #529650)
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Nathan,

my right inner fender has the same "dent"
I have a 57 Fireflite,- so it must be the same part



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Posted 2017-03-20 2:57 PM (#536311 - in reply to #536282)
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Thanks Tom. Do you know if this dent is from the factor too? I suspect that it isn't, but I don't want to take out something that is supposed to be there.



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Posted 2017-03-21 7:29 AM (#536359 - in reply to #529650)
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Hi Nathan

I wonder for the "antenna inspection hole",- yours is much bigger than mine. But I do not have this "dent" on firewall side.



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Nathan! I see you also have something to bite into...
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Posted 2017-03-21 12:08 PM (#536371 - in reply to #536361)
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Thanks Magnus & Tom Looks like I need to work on that dent. It is beyond my imagination how it could have got there. I assume that the larger access hole was for the optional power antenna module. I am surprised that the DeSoto doesn't have it; but I just checked my '58 DeSoto, and it doesn't have the large access panel either. Strange. Was the power antenna an option for a DeSoto?

One of the square holes is there to mount your fender brace. My panel has the nut for it still in place. But I wonder what the other hole was used for. Maybe to mount something for the antenna? It looks like they didn't bother to put the nut in place there on my panel.

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Posted 2017-03-28 1:12 AM (#536792 - in reply to #529650)
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The DeSoto had the power antenna option, but it was installed on the rear deck instead, for some reason...
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Posted 2017-04-22 1:09 PM (#538603 - in reply to #536792)
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Restored the original plates on the car.



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Posted 2017-04-22 9:10 PM (#538634 - in reply to #529650)
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This restoration seems to be going great, I can't believe you're out on the driveway working on your car that's almost unheard of up here in the Great White North but not entirely impossible " You Just Can't Do Much In Six Days" Of Summer Here"
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Posted 2017-04-23 11:41 AM (#538677 - in reply to #538634)
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It's definitely not ideal. I really wish I had the space to build a bigger garage to work on these. Because of the visibility on my front driveway, I cant just completely disassemble the car, I have to make it always look like a drive-able car. So I jack up the rear to level it out, always keep the front fenders on and remove them only temporarily. My cookie cutter garage isn't big enough to even fit this car in once they put the washer and dryer & water heater in there. And it gets crowded with all the tools, motor rebuild & equipment. But I will wheel it in with the back end sticking out to paint the firewall, when I am ready for that. Here, the weather is quite nice most of the time, but the sun is quite hot & really beats down on you. I'm getting too old to be out in the direct sun so much, so I will be paying to get a permanent or semi-permanent car-port installed - *if* the county will give me the permit to do it. If not, I will have to use some temporary structure to keep the sun off of me.



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Posted 2017-04-23 1:04 PM (#538683 - in reply to #529650)
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I hear you "the people in the hood" I own the residential lot next me also and that's were a have a couple cars hid away in plain site I bought black car covers for them "Out of site out of mind" No one really can tell if they're are drivable or not and the covers disguise them well.
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Posted 2017-04-23 4:01 PM (#538694 - in reply to #538677)
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Powerflite - 2017-04-23 10:41 AM

It's definitely not ideal. I really wish I had the space to build a bigger garage to work on these. Because of the visibility on my front driveway, I cant just completely disassemble the car, I have to make it always look like a drive-able car. So I jack up the rear to level it out, always keep the front fenders on and remove them only temporarily. My cookie cutter garage isn't big enough to even fit this car in once they put the washer and dryer & water heater in there. And it gets crowded with all the tools, motor rebuild & equipment. But I will wheel it in with the back end sticking out to paint the firewall, when I am ready for that. Here, the weather is quite nice most of the time, but the sun is quite hot & really beats down on you. I'm getting too old to be out in the direct sun so much, so I will be paying to get a permanent or semi-permanent car-port installed - *if* the county will give me the permit to do it. If not, I will have to use some temporary structure to keep the sun off of me.

I took the wheeled base off of an office chair, threw an old wheel and tire on top (for counterweight) and then stuck a patio umbrella down the center hole. As long as the ground is reasonably flat and level, it makes an easily movable shade tree. It doesn't have the same coverage as a carport but it's cheap and doesn't need a permit. It's also quicker to put away than other temporary shade structures.
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Posted 2017-04-30 11:55 AM (#539156 - in reply to #538694)
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Sounds like a nice mobile solution. I am just hoping for something a little more permanent.

I was working in the garage yesterday when I heard a loud !BANG! I thought something had blown on my air compressor, but looked around and found this pathetic tire blown out. There was hardly even any weight on it. It is completely blown but doesn't look very flat because the car has no drivetrain in it. It just got some direct sunlight from the low evening sun and that is all it took to do this. Makes me reconsider trusting my life to Goodyear products. "Integrity", yeah right.

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Posted 2017-04-30 12:06 PM (#539159 - in reply to #529650)
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that's a retread isn't it? and probably 20 years old.
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Posted 2017-04-30 12:18 PM (#539160 - in reply to #539159)
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No it isn't a retread, and it is the newest tire on the car. In fact, it is the newest tire on any of my non-drivers. It was made in 2002. Under the blown tread, I can stick my finger through the rubber. There is nothing else there. Junk. They should have labeled it Badyear. I sure hope they have got their act together since then...

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Posted 2017-04-30 4:19 PM (#539163 - in reply to #538603)
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Powerflite - 2017-04-23 10:09 AM

Restored the original plates on the car. :)


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I guess you can a bad tire from any manufacturer but one 15 years old is really not one to complain about. The tire manufacturers recommend replacing tires after 7 or 8 years even if not driven much due to deterioration. Yeah there are tires that run longer without problems but why take a chance when the cost is less than a loved one's life?
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Posted 2017-04-30 5:25 PM (#539168 - in reply to #539165)
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Doc, no, I paid someone else to do it. Happy to upload some of the work to other people I can trust.

Viper Guy, what you say is of course true, but it is also true that I don't want to trust my loved one's life to a sub-par tire, even if it is within the recommended use duration. The fact that it self-destructed so easily makes it difficult for me to trust the brand at all.
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your complaining about a 2002 tire from California popping? seriously?
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Posted 2017-05-01 1:22 AM (#539191 - in reply to #539174)
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I'm seriously saying this tire is utter crap. Not that I care much, just that I won't buy them. That is all.
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I've had the same thing happen with a tire except I was under the car when it blew. I first thought the car dropped and I was dead.

The car had sat for about 8 years without moving. The tire was old and was weather checked but always held air. I put the car up on jack stands for a couple hours to work on the driveshaft when that tire suddenly blew out. My uneducated guess it that after holding a static position for so long that it couldn't handle pressure (or lack of) being changed. I'm sure an engineer could explain it better. It taught me not to trust old tires or tires that had sat in one position for extended periods.



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Posted 2017-05-01 11:07 AM (#539216 - in reply to #529650)
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Newer radials all tend to do that once they expire. 20 year old nasty , bald, bias ply tires I'd trust far more than radials that are seven or more years old.

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Posted 2017-05-01 8:50 PM (#539254 - in reply to #529650)
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I've had the same Firestone radial WWWs on my Cadillac for 15 years...and they still look like new. But it only goes about 2000 miles a year, and almost never sits outside...except for car shows...

But now that I have said that, one will blow this year......

Inner fenders look good. What kind of paint did you use on them?
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Posted 2017-05-02 11:38 AM (#539286 - in reply to #539216)
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big m - 2017-05-01 8:07 AM
Newer radials all tend to do that once they expire. 20 year old nasty , bald, bias ply tires I'd trust far more than radials that are seven or more years old.
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Very true John. The bias plys seem to last a lot longer.

Inner fenders look good. What kind of paint did you use on them?


You must be referring to Tom's fender. His look great. Mine are still in the first coat of primer, but I did manage to get most of the dents out of it pretty well. I keep finding more of them though every time I look at it again.



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Posted 2017-05-03 12:43 AM (#539345 - in reply to #539286)
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Powerflite - 2017-05-02 11:38 AM

You must be referring to Tom's fender. His look great. Mine are still in the first coat of primer, but I did manage to get most of the dents out of it pretty well. I keep finding more of them though
every time I look at it again.


I always thought "those " dents occurred at the factory. I assumed that they were a result of ongoing changes, you know, like shimming one side or altering something WITHOUT changing the original stamping die. If an alteration or shim to an existing die could "fix" an alignment problem the assembly line engineers would go for it! Any resultant distortion would hardly be noticed on the assembled car.

For that reason I never dollied them out! I learned a long time ago that if the original panel alignment of a given car was poor, then, me, as a restorer would have a very hard time to improve on it!!

I always had to try! I usually got it but it wasn't easy!

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@ Nathan, the dent job looks good.

@ Greg, I agree, - you never know what they have done at the assembly line. Difficult to say if Nathans dents are original
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Posted 2017-05-03 10:21 AM (#539368 - in reply to #539346)
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That's weird, there was only one picture of my core support yesterday. Now there are two. I guess I shouldn't be too surprised. Mopar parts have been multiplying in my garage for quite a few years now!

Thanks Tom. It was harder to get it right than I thought it would be. Probably went over it 4 times before it looked & felt good in primer. Greg, You may be right about that particular dent shown in RtInner Fender picture, because I can't fathom how that would occur other than someone wedging the inner fender to a new location. But there were so many dents in this thing, including many that were inexcusable, that there had to be a couple of abusive previous owners involved. One of them (I already mostly fixed it before I removed the fender from the car) pushed the mid-section in by more than 3 inches. You don't get a dent like that from the factory. I got a serious workout fixing that one just whacking at it as hard as I could for 20mins until I was able to finally push it back into place. I had my son use a long 2x4 as a dolly on the other side because nothing else was long enough to work with it.

The front valance was no exception to this. It has a pretty major dent along it too. It's really hard to show a filthy dent in a picture, so I cleaned it off a little so it is a little more visible. It has a deep crease along it with a sharp dent at the end. I could fix it with a lot of work, but since I have a much better one from the '57 Windsor parts car, I will just use that one. I would rather it be painted in gloss, but I may just leave it as is with a matte finish since it looks to be pretty well done.



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Posted 2017-05-09 10:12 PM (#539804 - in reply to #529650)
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Piece by piece..... This one was relatively easy. It only had 2 small dents in the sides and top.



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Posted 2017-05-09 10:16 PM (#539805 - in reply to #529650)
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I got a nice workout this morning wet sanding the roof with 400 grit. To think that people pay for a membership to workout at a gym, when I would pay them to get a good workout on my driveway! Looks like I have a shallow high spot in the center. I will take a spoon and slap it down a bit before re-primering it. And then.....more wet sanding!

By the way, the black spot at the bottom right of the picture is black paint that I applied to test the compatability with the primer. The red oxide primer isn't compatible with the top coat so I will use this gray primer over the top of it to prevent any compatability issues. But that black paint is a lot harder to sand than the primer. I will have to get out my DA sander to work on that now.

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Nice work, Powerflite.

You seem to have the hands of a welding surgeon!

Impressive job!:


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Thanks for the flattery Rosy. Welding there wasn't actually the hard part. Cleaning up those welds was a lot harder and took a lot of patience.
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ToMopar - 2017-03-20 3:58 AM

Nathan,

my right inner fender has the same "dent"
I have a 57 Fireflite,- so it must be the same part


My '57 Firesweep also had a dent of the right inner fender, which appeared to have been there through at least one repaint. We didn't notice the dent until the primer was applied, due to the wear and tear that existed on the surface of the inner fenders. I replaced it with an undented inner fender that I got from Big M.

These dented inner right fenders seem to have been contagious!

The engine and such all fit back in without any issues, and without having to re-dent the inner fenders.

Ah, the mysteries of our finned beasts...



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Posted 2017-05-10 10:48 AM (#539819 - in reply to #539817)
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Powerflite - 2017-05-10 10:18 AM

Thanks for the flattery Rosy. Welding there wasn't actually the hard part. Cleaning up those welds was a lot harder and took a lot of patience.


Patience and talent, you modest devil!

I'm impressed by this sort of attention to detail as I did try my hand at welding, polishing, and general body work/paint-prep years ago when I owned an old '67 Newport (argh...those concave surfaces! ) Difficult, but I sure did have fun, and the results were pretty good, I must admit...thankfully. (Wish I still had that car.)

I think you're right about the patience though. Pride in a job well done, especially when it concerns a labour of love, demands a lot of patience.

But it's so satisfying when the job is done, don't you think? I think (know) my shop thought that I was a bubble-off-plumb when I spent days Dremel-ing the donor car's rusted drip rails out from the delicate stainless drip rail trim that I just "had to have" installed on my '57 DeSoto. These drip rails had been pulled off of the donor car, albeit it carefully, but the rusted drip rails remained embedded into the backside channels of the stainless trim. The sparks from my Dremel-ing job did set my top on fire a couple of times a la "Blazing Blouses", but it was so worth it IMHO. I think that the shop was a tad surprised when I dragged the intact drip rails back for installation. Mind you, I think that the guy that possessed the cajones to use a polishing wheel on these drip rails was the real hero! Yikes, what a job.

Anyway, it's interesting reading about your car's progress and your dedication to what can seem at times to be an endless process!








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Posted 2017-05-10 11:45 AM (#539826 - in reply to #529650)
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Posted 2017-05-10 5:30 PM (#539842 - in reply to #539819)
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Rosy, your blazing blouses story gave me a good laugh. I have set the frayed bottoms of my pants & shirt sleeves on fire a couple of times and ground away part of my shoe with the wire wheel. I don't think that most people are familiar with the notion that many '50's Mopar parts are pretty darn scarce. Good for you for saving that drip rail molding.

But you are right, that this job does seem endless at times. A never-ending array of more parts to clean and restore. And the more it becomes disassembled, the higher the danger that I may end up losing parts, which is even worse. But even putting together my '58 Dodge that I didn't even paint was very satisfying to be able to drive a neat old Dodge down the road after sitting for 30+ years. The reward is definitely worth the trouble, no matter what level of restore you can afford to put into it.
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Posted 2017-05-16 11:01 AM (#540143 - in reply to #529650)
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I received a new power window switch from Ebay yesterday. I was grateful to be able to purchase this since my original switch was missing. Fortunately, I did find the bezel for it though. I had to bend the tabs of the bezel slightly because it was putting too much stress on the plastic housing of the switch and was preventing it from working properly. It looks like this metal clip on the center ground pin is preventing the white plastic wire connector from seating up against the switch. Should I chamfer that hole out so that it will seat better? That area is particularly weak and I don't wish to weaken it further, but it needs to make good contact regardless.

I only have 2 of the steel clips that hold the bezel to the door panel Does anyone know where I can get more of them?

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Posted 2017-05-18 6:17 PM (#540356 - in reply to #529650)
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Often those inner fender dents are the result of a 'mechanic' using a pry bar or hammer to provide more clearance when he's plying his trade under the hood.
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Posted 2017-05-30 11:05 AM (#541197 - in reply to #540356)
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A lot of them are very likely caused by that Greg. I think many of them also occurred when the motor was not so gracefully removed. Over the 3-day weekend, I got all the engine bay panels ready and waiting for the final wet sanding and paint. I am going to attempt to paint them all at the same time when I paint the firewall since they are all the same color. But the firewall still needs quite a bit of work before it can be painted. I also cleaned up the frame and got that painted up. I didn't paint all of the control arms, but I will do those as they come off when the front end gets rebuilt. I think the frame looks a lot better in a semi-gloss than a full gloss so that's what I used. Now I need to hurry up and get those fenders back on before anyone notices.

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Posted 2017-06-04 6:54 PM (#541520 - in reply to #529650)
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Just for fun, I painted the side stripes white yesterday. I picked up a replacement lower door trim piece from a NY wagon which is longer. But, I need to figure out how to cut it down shorter to use as a replacement for this door.

Now I am working on sanding the firewall to get it ready for paint. I had to remove the paint completely in a couple of spots because the factory had spilled liquid sealer down the entire firewall. Looked too messy to leave it like that and it was too difficult to remove without destroying the underlying paint. Also sanded out a couple of large paint drips...

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Posted 2017-06-11 2:16 AM (#541924 - in reply to #529650)
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This rust hole in the cowl didn't look easy to fix, but it wasn't too bad. The panels aren't painted in between so they rust pretty readily between there. I pried the edge of the panel up all along it and used a small screw driver to scrape out any rust divots in there. I also chiseled out any rust lumps as well. After removing the cowl drip shield, I could get a copper spoon up in behind it and get the hole welded up. After I get the weld cleaned up to my satisfaction, I will spray a rust converter all inside there and paint in between there as well. Then use a hammer to snug it back down to the bottom panel, where it is supposed to be. This should prevent any small amount of rust that might remain between there from cankering and getting worse.

I decided to remove the cowl tag when one edge of it started to crumble after hitting it with a wire brush. I was able to get a grip on one of the one-way screws with a pair of vice grips, but the other one required welding to it first. Then it broke and I had to weld a blob onto the remainder to get it out. I was surprised to find 2 extra holes underneath it, put there by the factory. Why are they there?? These would leak water directly into the ****pit! I didn't like that so I welded them up shut.



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Posted 2017-06-15 11:31 AM (#542182 - in reply to #529650)
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Cleaned up the cowl vent drip shield. It was painted black by the factory and the original paint was still on the underside, but it had no primer under it and the topside was either non-existent or worn off. Hopefully the red oxide primer and new paint will keep it in good shape for many years.



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Posted 2017-06-19 10:24 AM (#542452 - in reply to #529650)
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I didn't get a lot of time to work on the car this weekend, but I did manage to get the holes filled in and cleaned up. This area still needs more work though. I am going to strip the paint entirely from the top side because of the non-uniformity and repair work that I need to do here.



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Posted 2017-06-19 11:43 AM (#542457 - in reply to #529650)
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Any progress is good progress.

Looking good, Nathan!

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Posted 2017-06-20 2:39 PM (#542520 - in reply to #542457)
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I agree John I seem to make more progress in the cool morning hours before going to work than I do in the entire day in this terrible heat!
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Posted 2017-06-26 11:05 AM (#542887 - in reply to #542520)
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I finished cleaning and repairing the cowl seam this weekend. I then sprayed rust converter inside there and put red oxide primer/sealer on top of that. I will then paint it black in there just to color match so you don't see the red under the seam. After I hammer the seam back down, I will probably remove most of the paint from that area to start with a fresh coat of primer. I REALLY need new windshield rubber! When is Steele Rubber going to get on the ball to make us something? That is the biggest disappointment working with these cars, is the lack of good rubber. The 2 piece things are too tight and not a great solution anyway.



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Posted 2017-07-02 2:28 AM (#543337 - in reply to #529650)
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I am thinking of using these hubcaps on the car with Diamondback whitewall radials.



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Posted 2017-07-02 8:51 AM (#543351 - in reply to #529650)
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Those 1966 Chrysler hubcaps are so close in design to the 1959 Imperial hubcaps. I think they will look great on your New Yorker.
Nice touch with the New Yorker crest in the center.
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Posted 2017-07-02 10:52 AM (#543359 - in reply to #543351)
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Thanks. I see ads for '59 Imperial hubcaps that are 15". Did they use 15" wheels on the '59 Imperial?
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Posted 2017-07-02 2:44 PM (#543373 - in reply to #529650)
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The best I understand is that a few early production 59's had 14 inch wheel but the majority had 15 inch.
That '55 cap looks nice. I've thought about using '56 Imperial hubcaps on some of my 58's that have disc brakes. You're right about them looking too smooth though.
That's why I like that '66 cap. It is basically a '59 Imperial cap without that heavy (gaudy) gear toothed inner ring.
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Why not use stock 57 NY'er caps ? They are great looking !
57-59 300 caps are great too, as are 57-58 Imperial ? Are you
trying to get 15" ??? That is the down side of the aforementioned.

I tend to see the more upscale cars as looking silly if they are
modified to have "sportier" updates. It works better on Plymouths
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NY'er just about tops the list of the finest Forward Look design
ever conjured up. Hard to change anything and have it look better.

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Posted 2017-07-02 3:55 PM (#543377 - in reply to #543374)
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I completely agree with you Doc. I love the original caps and would prefer to use them, but I can't stand 14 inch wheels. And 14 inch isn't compatible with the disc brakes I want to use. So I am looking for the next best thing.
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I got some originals that I don't need anymore. They are 99% flawless.  They are I think one of the top 3 designs for FW cars.

Definately better than the 58-59 ones.   I dont like the reverse dog dish style of imperial/300's 

 



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Thanks. If I can figure out how to reliably use 14" caps on 15" wheels without spending a fortune, I will hit you up for them.

I wasted most of my day on Saturday extracting this cowl piece from my Windsor Parts car. It looked pretty good when I started, but by the time I got it out and cleaned out the rubber stuff in it, this is how it ended up. This parts car was the most rust-free car I have seen, and yet this rusts from the inside-out because of that rubber stuff they put in there on bare metal. Just enhances the rust process. So I will have to patch up my cowl with clean metal instead.

This hand-held sand blaster from Harbor Freight has come in handy to clean out the cowl drains & other pockets that I can't reach with sand paper. If you use a fine screen filter, you can sweep up the sand afterward and re-use it.



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Posted 2017-07-23 10:10 AM (#544663 - in reply to #529650)
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After taking a wire wheel to the inside lip of the cowl, it revealed quite a bit of rust. I was hoping to fix it with the cowl from my parts car, but that was a dead end so I formed a piece of metal to the proper shape and patched it in. It is mostly done now so I can move on to painting everything and replacing the dash pad.



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I think I will be doing something similar everything looks good on the outside but once you get in there I think all these cars are gonners in that area.
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Yes, unfortunately so. I am a little afraid to look at the cowl on my DeSoto.

I got the firewall sealed. I'm looking forward to getting this thing painted and put back together. The roof is actually white, but it is so filthy now that it looks gray.



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Posted 2017-09-10 12:27 PM (#548098 - in reply to #529650)
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No more 14" wheels for this car. I didn't buy gold iridite calipers for the car, the rebuilds just came that way. Still have to bend up all the lines.



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Posted 2017-09-13 11:21 AM (#548278 - in reply to #529650)
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I like the look of those caps too, Nathan.

You've come a long way on the car so far!

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Hubcaps look great. '66 300, right? They always throw me off for a second because they are so close to the '59 Imperial in design
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Thanks John, it's progressing slower than I expected it to, but moving right along now. Almost ready to paint the engine bay.

Yes, Don, '66 Chrysler 15" disc brake hubcaps that are similar to the '59 Imperial and later 300 cars, only I have replaced the centers with '56-'57 New Yorker emblems.
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I purchased a set of Scat 440 H-beam rods to couple to my 440 rod/392 hemi pistons that should give me a nice 11:1 compression with the aluminum heads. But it took me what seemed like forever to find a decent machine shop to narrow the big end width by .016" and change the bushings. The 440 rods came with new .990" bushings and I need .984". I thought about honing the pistons to .990, but pretty much everyone advised me against doing that; so I just had the bushings in the rods changed. I ended up using L&B ConRod Service in Anaheim. I probably should have guessed that I would need to go to the happiest place on earth to get it done. Now I need to gather everything up and get it re-balanced to the new weight. Then I should be ready to start putting the motor back together.

After measuring everything up, I found out the previous offset bushed 426 hemi rod, big ends were machined to the wrong size at .984" width. Stock 392 big end width is at .994". I am thinking that a .01" extra gap between the rods would have caused a drop in oil pressure and probably would have prematurely destroyed the rod bearings if they got any side play on them. Not good. The condition of the old bearings in the motor seem to confirm this as they looked pretty beat up with very little miles on them. I don't know why they did that, but that issue, their 30% excess weight, and the higher compression (when used with smaller chamber aluminum heads) is why I didn't end up just using the 426 rods that were in the motor.



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Posted 2017-09-22 11:51 AM (#548949 - in reply to #529650)
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I bought an NOS radio foot switch for the car. I checked and it does have the port for it on the back of my radio. Yay! I don't see any kind of locating area on the floorpan though. They must have just screwed it into wherever it looked good.



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Here's a couple pics from two of my Imperials if it helps. (I don't know how different it will be for a New Yorker)
They both align horizontally above the indention in the floor pan.
Vertically, they are a little different compared to each other.
This switch does not get a cut out in the carpet like the dimmer so I doubt the exact placement would very noticeable.
I would worry more about placing it so it's operation won't interfere with the dimmer or the brake pedal.



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KcImperial
Posted 2017-09-22 1:19 PM (#548959 - in reply to #529650)
Subject: Re: '57 New Yorker Coupe



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I think I got horizontal and vertical backwards in that message. I have problems with left and right too...
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Powerflite
Posted 2017-09-22 1:51 PM (#548967 - in reply to #529650)
Subject: Re: '57 New Yorker Coupe



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The pictures help a lot, thanks! Now I don't have to guess too much.
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Powerflite
Posted 2017-09-23 10:01 PM (#549032 - in reply to #529650)
Subject: RE: '57 New Yorker Coupe



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I spent the day wet sanding all my inner panels & '56 air cleaner (for my Plymouth) today. Then I gave a shot at using a new HVLP gun to spray a single stage urethane on them. I really like that gun! Not nearly as much overspray and a lot more control. I was able to dial it down enough to essentially eliminate the possibility of making any runs. I am super pleased with the results. It looks like my rag that I wiped the radiator support with left a couple of lint hairs on it, but other than that, the rest of it looks awesome.



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