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Location: Lower Mainland BC | Sorry. I did do a search but the results were a bit over whelming and/or conflicting. So here I am asking questions.
What I thought was a 315 Hemi in a 56 Dodge doesn't want a vertical spin-on adapter but a 30 deg. adapter (same angle as OE).
So I bought one from Hemi Hot Heads (I see all the kewl kids call it HHH).
I was trying to check the filter that I need when I ran into the conflicting info.
so the question(s) is/are:
1. Is the 30 deg adapter, like this one, what I needed?
2. What filter(s) work? I understand that the V6 ones are the way to go. Is that what shows here?:
http://hothemiheads.com/dodge/oiling_system/oil_filter_adapter_30d.... |
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Location: N.W. Fla. | The company name is Hot Heads,or HH, better to sound like you know things! 1. On the Chr, the one shown is what's needed, OEM up angle one, i'd assume the same on the Dodge. 2. Use as long a filter as you can. Ford/Mopar filters fit. I use the Wix 51515 (same length as the Fram PH8A. I recommend Wix, but will use Fram numbers for reference. The next shorter one is the PH43 (standard Mopar V8 filter) , then the PH16 is a bit shorter, used on Crown Vic Police Interceptors with oil cooler (if it'll work for the cops...)
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Location: 33844 | I found an adapter on ebay that is straight out for my DeSoto hemi. |
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Location: Alaska | Don't forget to change the valve inside the engine. HH sells those also. I believe that makes the filter a full flow.
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Location: N.W. Fla. | 58coupe - 2017-02-09 8:52 AM
Don't forget to change the valve inside the engine. HH sells those also. I believe that makes the filter a full flow. actually it's an anti-drain back check ball for the OEM oil filter, not a by pass. |
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Location: Lower Mainland BC | Mopar1 - 2017-02-09 10:49 AM
58coupe - 2017-02-09 8:52 AM
Don't forget to change the valve inside the engine. HH sells those also. I believe that makes the filter a full flow. actually it's an anti-drain back check ball for the OEM oil filter, not a by pass.
Okay, now I am a) confused and b) scared. I had assumed that I would remove the original canister filter bracket and then simply install the new HH bracket, assuming that the filters had check valves in them or at least I would not have to mess with any check valves.
So what do I need to do?
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Location: Pinon Hills, CA | To install the check valve adapter they are talking about, you have to drop the rear main bearing cap. Then fish out the cage and check ball. I found on my 270, that the block wasnt machined all deep enough for the adapter to go all the way in, so removing the cage and ball is all that needed done.
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Location: Lower Mainland BC | 59bisquik - 2017-02-09 6:52 PM To install the check valve adapter they are talking about, you have to drop the rear main bearing cap. Then fish out the cage and check ball. I found on my 270, that the block wasnt machined all deep enough for the adapter to go all the way in, so removing the cage and ball is all that needed done.
Well that is never going to happen.
I've emailed Hemi-Hotheads to hear their side of the story.
Dave F.
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Location: Peoples Republic of Oregon | You can install any spin-on filter w/o changing the internal by-pass and/or anti-drain back assembly.
SOME blocks are fully drilled for both pieces, and SOME blocks, like 59bisquick's, are only partially drilled for the anti-drain back assembly.
SOME spin-on filters have an anti-drain back built-in and many do not since spin-on filters are most often mounted with the gasket higher than the rest of the filter. A few engines do mount the filter horizontal and presumably the proper replacement filter will have an anti-drain back feature.
According to the WIX catalogue their #51515 has the anti-drain back assembly built in.
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Location: Lower Mainland BC | Thanks wayfarer. I'll look for that WIX filter.
The other day, I sent HemiHotHeads this email:
----- Original Message -----
From: David Forgie
To: info@hothemiheads.com
Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2017 7:39 PM
Subject: Question about the 30 deg oil filter adapter I bought for my 315 D500 hemi
I bought this: http://hothemiheads.com/dodge/oiling_system/oil_filter_adapter_30d....
Now people are telling me I've got to take my engine apart to install this adapter.
These are comments from three different people:
1. Don't forget to change the valve inside the engine. HH sells those also. I believe that makes the filter a full flow.
2. Actually it's an anti-drain back check ball for the OEM oil filter, not a by pass
3. To install the check valve adapter they are talking about, you have to remove the oil pan and drop the rear main bearing cap. Then fish out the cage and check ball. I found on my 270, that the block wasn't machined all deep enough for the adapter to go all the way in, so removing the cage and ball is all that needed done.
I'm left being confused. I had assumed that I would just remove the OE canister oil filter and bracket and install the Hemi Hot heads 30 deg bracket and Mopar oil filter with a check valve inside it.
What am I missing? Dave F.
Bob Walker replied with:
Dave: There were two systems. The earliest had the cage and ball (backflow valve) but were already full flow. At some time Chrysler went to a combination of the backflow valve and a bypass valve. You can run the oil filter mount on either system. You'll just have a backflow in the block and the filter.
Have fun, Bob
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Location: Lower Mainland BC | Mopar1 - 2017-01-27 8:30 PM The company name is Hot Heads,or HH, better to sound like you know things! 1. On the Chr, the one shown is what's needed, OEM up angle one, i'd assume the same on the Dodge. 2. Use as long a filter as you can. Ford/Mopar filters fit. I use the Wix 51515 (same length as the Fram PH8A. I recommend Wix, but will use Fram numbers for reference. The next shorter one is the PH43 (standard Mopar V8 filter) , then the PH16 is a bit shorter, used on Crown Vic Police Interceptors with oil cooler (if it'll work for the cops...)
Thanks for the hints. Here is a compilation of the lengths of the four filters that you mention above:
Wix 51515
Outside Diameter (In): 3.661 Inch
Thread Size: 3/4-16 Inch
Height (In): 5.197 Inch
Anti-Drainback Valve Included: Yes
Fram PH8A
Thread Size 3/4''-16
Height 5.156''
Diameter 3.813''
Fram PH43
Thread Size 3/4''-16
Height 4.00''
Diameter 3.813''
Fram PH16
Height (in): 3.688 in.
Outside Diameter (in): 3.656 in.
Filter Bypass Relief Valve: Yes
Relief Valve Open (psi): 8-10 psi
Anti-Drainback Valve: Yes
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Location: NorCal | wayfarer - 2017-02-11 8:38 AM
You can install any spin-on filter w/o changing the internal by-pass and/or anti-drain back assembly.
I can confirm that, I installed one on my 325 Poly with no other mods and it works fine....used the 51515 filter. |
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Location: Alaska | Thanks for the clarification, I guess there is a lot of confusion about that internal check valve. I was under the assumption it had to be replaced with the HH adapter but my confusion came from their catalog. |
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Location: Peoples Republic of Oregon | If the 51515 is too long you can troll through the WIX catalogue and select a shorter unit from the numerical listing or from the part number interchange. |
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Location: Lower Mainland BC | wayfarer - 2017-02-12 8:31 AM
If the 51515 is too long you can troll through the WIX catalogue and select a shorter unit from the numerical listing or from the part number interchange.
I went to the WIX filter sizing webpage and checked out a few options for 3/4" x 16 thread filters. Ended up with a 51085 which is less that 4" in height. There are shorter and longer ones if needs be.
http://www.wixfilters.com/Lookup/FilterBySize.aspx
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Location: Belgium, 40 miles south of Brussels | 57chizler - 2017-02-11 9:55 PM
wayfarer - 2017-02-11 8:38 AM
You can install any spin-on filter w/o changing the internal by-pass and/or anti-drain back assembly.
I can confirm that, I installed one on my 325 Poly with no other mods and it works fine....used the 51515 filter.
I can confirm it too ...
I just did that on my 318 Poly, with the Canton Racing adapter plate and a WIX 51515 filter.
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| I bought the remote oil filter adapter(spin on) and I also put in the "non ball" oil bypass. I believe in performance applications they want full flow... stuff i bought for my 392 http://stankemotorsports.com/engine/index.htm
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| This guy says its a must if using spin on filter... the oil bypass valve
http://www.hotrodsandhemis.com/Rebuild/HemiRebuild.html |
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Location: Lower Mainland BC | Chrome58 - 2019-05-04 2:53 AM
I can confirm it too ...
I just did that on my 318 Poly, with the Canton Racing adapter plate and a WIX 51515 filter.
And it works real fine.
I am sure that the 51515 works in a 57-61 Mopar V8. However, I am skeptical that that filter will work in a 55-56 Dodge V8 because of the proximity of the frame rails. Always easier to start small and get bigger than to have a filter that won't fit because it is too tall (not like you can cut it down to fit).
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Not so, leaving the factory check valve in place when installing a filter adapter and spin-on filter simply makes a redundant check valve system. Mine's been running that way for years and has the same oil pressure as before the swap to the spin-on. |
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