Spring Special 58 DeSoto Firedome Sportsman
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Posted 2017-05-09 12:01 AM (#539736)
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While checking out the Forward Look facebook page, I ran across this guy saying that he wanted to unload
this 1958 DeSoto 2 dr Ht. I remembered seeing this car a year before, when they first got it. They took apart
the front end, and removed the engine, to get it rebuilt. They also found a broken torsion bar. After that,
they just lost interest in it. So that is where I came in. So I drove eight and a half hours, one way, to pick it up.
I did not mind the trip one bit. It was nice to see that car in my rear view mirror all the way home.



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Posted 2017-05-09 12:31 AM (#539738 - in reply to #539736)
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Awesome project
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Posted 2017-05-09 5:12 AM (#539750 - in reply to #539736)
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Posted 2017-05-09 10:08 AM (#539761 - in reply to #539736)
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Great find.

So something like these?



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Posted 2017-05-09 12:40 PM (#539767 - in reply to #539761)
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Yes. And I think this was one of the first ones for spring.



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Posted 2017-05-09 12:42 PM (#539768 - in reply to #539767)
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A barn find a couple years ago.



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Posted 2017-05-09 12:43 PM (#539769 - in reply to #539736)
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Congratulation to that finding
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Posted 2017-05-09 1:46 PM (#539777 - in reply to #539769)
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The code work.

SCH = 097
SEQ = 008
BDY = 432
ST = 2
PNT = XWW
TRM = 631
TR = 3
PB = 2
AH = 5
UC = 1
B = 4

Can you see it?



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Posted 2017-05-09 1:46 PM (#539778 - in reply to #539736)
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Really nice project. Those '58 spring specials really are special. I hope the rockers are in better shape than your old one. But at least you should be able to get this one done a lot quicker.
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Posted 2017-05-09 5:59 PM (#539794 - in reply to #539778)
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The rockers are a mess, but yes, they are better than the other one.



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Posted 2017-05-12 2:29 PM (#539922 - in reply to #539778)
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Here is a factory mistake for ya. If you look real close, you can see there is an L-360 under the serial number.



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Posted 2017-05-14 12:27 AM (#539984 - in reply to #539922)
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This was on top of the firewall, on the drivers side.
What does DW stand for?

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Posted 2017-05-14 9:53 AM (#539992 - in reply to #539736)
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Looks like it maybe a Los Angeles built car - oh nevermind, I just realized that the DeSoto tags were a little different.

Since you were lucky enough to figure out what the tag says, you can get a new one made up from AG Backeast, among other places.

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Posted 2017-05-14 10:16 AM (#539993 - in reply to #539984)
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The inspectors mark, original trunk mat, original carpets and seat upholstery, original door panels. This is all new to me,
because I usually buy cars that have been rebuilt, recovered or just destroyed. The car is very interesting with all the
different things that I have found. I love this Heather Blue, it has a purple-ly tint to it.
The passenger side floors are the worst, partly because there was a mouseketeer living in the glovebox, and they used
that side of the car as their toilet.
The trunk is nice. Someone bolted in a heavy duty plate on the inside, to hold up the gas tank supports. Nicely done.



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Posted 2017-05-14 10:18 AM (#539994 - in reply to #539736)
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Very nice find. Not sure if any of my parts will help, but I'm parting out a '57 4 door Windsor, and I have a lot of straight, rust free sheet metal.
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Posted 2017-05-14 10:39 AM (#539996 - in reply to #539994)
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The trunk floor. Notice the plate for the gas tank supports.



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Posted 2017-05-14 5:33 PM (#540022 - in reply to #539996)
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Good Heavens! What's in the glove box?
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Posted 2017-05-14 5:44 PM (#540023 - in reply to #539736)
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Have you seen the movie, "The Thing"?

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Posted 2017-05-14 7:48 PM (#540025 - in reply to #539736)
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Lol! One of my cars came with a similar "brace" installed in the trunk.


Please put your DeSoto back to the blue colour.
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Posted 2017-05-14 10:59 PM (#540037 - in reply to #540022)
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I gave my friendly Mouseketeers in the glove box an eviction notice.

I think that I will bevel the edges on that plate in the trunk, to make it more presentable.

And Yes, I will paint this car back to what it was, Heather Blue (or something close to it) with a white top.

This is my newest sign. Not a reproduction, but the real thing, from a real dealership. I think it cool.



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Posted 2017-05-15 2:10 AM (#540046 - in reply to #540037)
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Yes, that is Heather Blue. I saw it posted somewhere that someone
called it Haze Blue, but Heather Blue is much deeper and intense.

My DeSoto also has that inspector's stamp.

That data tag looks like the one that was on my Adventurer. About
as crunchy and useless as a saltine cracker ! Mine just crumbled into
unrecognizable flakes.

Hard to believe you have found TWO Spring Special coupes, and both
Firedomes at that ! What are the chances ? !!!
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Posted 2017-05-15 9:14 AM (#540055 - in reply to #540046)
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The Data plate was so bad that I put some spray paint on it, to hold it together, before I removed it.
The Inspectors stamp is very nice. I need to preserve that.
Here is the inspectors signature. I have seen numbers and/or letters on this panel, but this is the
first time I have seen someone put five circles on it.



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Posted 2017-05-15 4:14 PM (#540084 - in reply to #540046)
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Doctor DeSoto - 2017-05-15 2:10 AM

Yes, that is Heather Blue. I saw it posted somewhere that someone
called it Haze Blue, but Heather Blue is much deeper and intense.

My DeSoto also has that inspector's stamp.

That data tag looks like the one that was on my Adventurer. About
as crunchy and useless as a saltine cracker ! Mine just crumbled into
unrecognizable flakes.

Hard to believe you have found TWO Spring Special coupes, and both
Firedomes at that ! What are the chances ? !!!



Yes, I remember our conversation about Heather and Haze, and weather or not it was a spring color.
I should have patted myself on the back, 'cause that's about the only time I was right about something.

This Spring Special just, kinda fell in my lap. I just happen to see a picture of it on Facebook, and the guy
said that he wanted to "unload it". I sent him a message, and he said make me an offer. We went back and
forth a couple of times, then finally agreed on a price. His wife said that was much better than the guy in
NH that only offered $800. I guess that I am the only fool out there, 'cause I paid MUCH more than that.
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Posted 2017-05-16 9:38 AM (#540137 - in reply to #540084)
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This car took a young man to college, from NY to UT, in the mid 60s. How many trips did he make?



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58DeSoDodge59
Posted 2017-05-20 10:12 PM (#540478 - in reply to #540137)
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My version. Please forgive me, I don't have photoshop.



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Posted 2017-05-21 8:38 PM (#540549 - in reply to #540478)
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You might go for a silver top to better match the side trim. Just a thought.
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Posted 2017-05-21 9:06 PM (#540553 - in reply to #540549)
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I actually like the tri-tone paint jobs, like the mid 50s.
And I think if the top is white, it will bring out the white wall tires more.
But yes, I see what you are saying.
To tell you the truth, I will be using a true (three stage) Pearl White that has a lot of silver in it.
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Posted 2017-05-22 11:23 PM (#540670 - in reply to #540553)
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Royal Blue



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Posted 2017-05-22 11:24 PM (#540671 - in reply to #540670)
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Royal Blue 2



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Posted 2017-05-23 8:14 AM (#540693 - in reply to #540037)
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58DeSoDodge59 - 2017-05-14 10:59 PM

I gave my friendly Mouseketeers in the glove box an eviction notice.

I think that I will bevel the edges on that plate in the trunk, to make it more presentable.

And Yes, I will paint this car back to what it was, Heather Blue (or something close to it) with a white top.

This is my newest sign. Not a reproduction, but the real thing, from a real dealership. I think it cool.



That is a wonderful sign! Probably from Canada, as the Dodge-DeSoto dealership association was typically Canadian (Dodge-DeSoto-Dodge Trucks and Chrysler-Plymouth-Fargo trucks).
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Posted 2017-05-23 11:02 AM (#540710 - in reply to #540693)
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soiouz - 2017-05-23 8:14 AM

58DeSoDodge59 - 2017-05-14 10:59 PM

I gave my friendly Mouseketeers in the glove box an eviction notice.

I think that I will bevel the edges on that plate in the trunk, to make it more presentable.

And Yes, I will paint this car back to what it was, Heather Blue (or something close to it) with a white top.

This is my newest sign. Not a reproduction, but the real thing, from a real dealership. I think it cool.



That is a wonderful sign! Probably from Canada, as the Dodge-DeSoto dealership association was typically Canadian (Dodge-DeSoto-Dodge Trucks and Chrysler-Plymouth-Fargo trucks).



I was wondering why those signs are so rare. You hardly ever see them here in the states.
Do you see more of them up there?
I love that sign. It was only natural for me to get that particular style sign, because I
have a 59 DODGE and a 58 DESOTO, no Plymouths nor Chryslers. With the exception of
a 49 Chrysler Royal that my Grandfather gave to me. I was only thinking Forward Look.

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Posted 2017-05-23 11:21 AM (#540713 - in reply to #540710)
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58DeSoDodge59 - 2017-05-23 11:02 AM

soiouz - 2017-05-23 8:14 AM

58DeSoDodge59 - 2017-05-14 10:59 PM

I gave my friendly Mouseketeers in the glove box an eviction notice.

I think that I will bevel the edges on that plate in the trunk, to make it more presentable.

And Yes, I will paint this car back to what it was, Heather Blue (or something close to it) with a white top.

This is my newest sign. Not a reproduction, but the real thing, from a real dealership. I think it cool.



That is a wonderful sign! Probably from Canada, as the Dodge-DeSoto dealership association was typically Canadian (Dodge-DeSoto-Dodge Trucks and Chrysler-Plymouth-Fargo trucks).



I was wondering why those signs are so rare. You hardly ever see them here in the states.
Do you see more of them up there?
I love that sign. It was only natural for me to get that particular style sign, because I
have a 59 DODGE and a 58 DESOTO, no Plymouths nor Chryslers. With the exception of
a 49 Chrysler Royal that my Grandfather gave to me. I was only thinking Forward Look.



They are rare here too, but I do see them from time to time, often at crazy high prices. Last one I saw was at a swap meet last summer and the guy wanted around 3500$.

I know of another one nailed to a barn in rural Quebec, but the guy does not want to sell, as it was a gift from one of his late friends and I respect that.




I you can afford it, this one is super nice too... but that price!!! Wow!

http://www.kijiji.ca/v-art-collectibles/banff-canmore/dodge-desoto-...



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Posted 2017-05-23 11:27 AM (#540714 - in reply to #540713)
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soiouz - 2017-05-23 11:21 AM

58DeSoDodge59 - 2017-05-23 11:02 AM

soiouz - 2017-05-23 8:14 AM

58DeSoDodge59 - 2017-05-14 10:59 PM

I gave my friendly Mouseketeers in the glove box an eviction notice.

I think that I will bevel the edges on that plate in the trunk, to make it more presentable.

And Yes, I will paint this car back to what it was, Heather Blue (or something close to it) with a white top.

This is my newest sign. Not a reproduction, but the real thing, from a real dealership. I think it cool.



That is a wonderful sign! Probably from Canada, as the Dodge-DeSoto dealership association was typically Canadian (Dodge-DeSoto-Dodge Trucks and Chrysler-Plymouth-Fargo trucks).



I was wondering why those signs are so rare. You hardly ever see them here in the states.
Do you see more of them up there?
I love that sign. It was only natural for me to get that particular style sign, because I
have a 59 DODGE and a 58 DESOTO, no Plymouths nor Chryslers. With the exception of
a 49 Chrysler Royal that my Grandfather gave to me. I was only thinking Forward Look.



They are rare here too, but I do see them from time to time, often at crazy high prices. Last one I saw was at a swap meet last summer and the guy wanted around 3500$.

I know of another one nailed to a barn in rural Quebec, but the guy does not want to sell, as it was a gift from one of his late friends and I respect that.


Yeah, those 42 and 48 inch ones are big bucks. Mine is only 30 inches. It's all I can afford.
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Posted 2017-05-23 11:33 AM (#540715 - in reply to #540714)
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I would love to have that sign, but I can't afford it.



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Posted 2017-05-23 11:51 AM (#540716 - in reply to #540715)
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I touched up the lower part of this panel, with Royal Blue. It's pretty close to Heather Blue, but not close enough.
It needs some metallic and a little more purple.



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Posted 2017-05-23 12:14 PM (#540720 - in reply to #540716)
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From one trailer to another.



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Posted 2017-05-23 2:41 PM (#540742 - in reply to #540716)
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58DeSoDodge59 - 2017-05-23 8:51 AM

I touched up the lower part of this panel, with Royal Blue. It's pretty close to Heather Blue, but not close enough.
It needs some metallic and a little more purple.


I agree. Not quite close enough. The purple hue really makes it unique.
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Posted 2017-05-24 7:25 PM (#540834 - in reply to #540742)
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Posted 2017-05-30 12:52 AM (#541177 - in reply to #540834)
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I wish one of these was driveable.



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Posted 2017-05-30 7:09 AM (#541185 - in reply to #539736)
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Posted 2017-05-31 5:38 PM (#541287 - in reply to #540046)
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Doctor DeSoto - 2017-05-15 2:10 AM

Yes, that is Heather Blue. I saw it posted somewhere that someone
called it Haze Blue, but Heather Blue is much deeper and intense.

My DeSoto also has that inspector's stamp.

That data tag looks like the one that was on my Adventurer. About
as crunchy and useless as a saltine cracker ! Mine just crumbled into
unrecognizable flakes.

Hard to believe you have found TWO Spring Special coupes, and both
Firedomes at that ! What are the chances ? !!!


Doc, does your inspector's stamp look exactly like mine? I am curious, because mine does not look like a
perfect circle, and I was wondering if they were made that way or is it just because they were moving fast
and just slapped it on there.? Double tapped, or hit crooked, whatever.?

Has anyone ever seen one of these stampers?





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Posted 2017-05-31 5:48 PM (#541288 - in reply to #541185)
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mikes2nd - 2017-05-30 7:09 AM

showing off! :)



Just wishing all/or one of them were driveable. ' can't wait.
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Posted 2017-06-01 3:17 PM (#541348 - in reply to #541288)
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Bumper extensions and exhaust ports.



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Posted 2017-06-01 3:33 PM (#541350 - in reply to #541287)
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Doc, does your inspector's stamp look exactly like mine? I am curious, because mine does not look like a
perfect circle, and I was wondering if they were made that way or is it just because they were moving fast
and just slapped it on there.? Double tapped, or hit crooked, whatever.?

Has anyone ever seen one of these stampers?



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I will have a look and report back. As I recall, it was identical (maybe
the number was different ???)

The stamps were hand-carved from potatoes. My Kindergarten class
made some like this 50 years ago.
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Posted 2017-08-02 10:40 PM (#545411 - in reply to #541350)
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Well after two months I finally got the car in the garage. I had to cut down 28 dead trees in my back yard.
They got some kind of bug in them, so all my Ash trees died. Now I have 28 stumps to deal with.



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Posted 2017-08-02 10:54 PM (#545419 - in reply to #539736)
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That's a lot of firewood! It would be great if you had a wood burning stove to heat up the garage during the winter. Looks good in there.
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Posted 2017-08-02 11:24 PM (#545429 - in reply to #545419)
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I gave all the wood away. I have a pellet stove in the garage. Still burning the scrap.

This car was in such good, original, condition that I was only going to do the minimum to it.
But it stinks so bad with rat pee. It is in the carpet, seats, glove box, headliner and even in
the firewall insulation. I have to replace it all.
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Posted 2017-08-02 11:52 PM (#545435 - in reply to #545429)
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Posted 2017-08-03 12:01 AM (#545437 - in reply to #539736)
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emerald ash borer beetle, they killed all the ash trees in ohio... from China. Nothing can stop them.

You shouldn't move ash borer wood that's infested beyond your local quarantine area. More than likely your already wiped out.

I wonder if its okay to replant ash trees after an area is wiped out?

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Posted 2017-08-03 9:19 AM (#545473 - in reply to #545437)
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Wow. Look at the paint job on that bug. Emerald Ash Borer



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Posted 2017-08-03 9:24 AM (#545474 - in reply to #545429)
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58DeSoDodge59 - 2017-08-02 11:24 PM

I gave all the wood away. I have a pellet stove in the garage. Still burning the scrap.

This car was in such good, original, condition that I was only going to do the minimum to it.
But it stinks so bad with rat pee. It is in the carpet, seats, glove box, headliner and even in
the firewall insulation. I have to replace it all.



The rats also made a nest in the frame. I have a big rust hole in the drivers side, rear section.
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Posted 2017-08-03 9:33 AM (#545476 - in reply to #545474)
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Whoever painted this car Bronze, did a real detailed job. They painted the door frames and inside the trunk.



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Posted 2017-08-03 10:01 AM (#545478 - in reply to #539736)
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your a desoto restorer sir? seems a lot of guys here

obsessed with desotos! dont forget the 1958 saleathon!

also... when cutting down trees , look for bees! and

beetles in spring special trim! (ah s**t - beetles! )
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Posted 2017-08-03 2:03 PM (#545496 - in reply to #545478)
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moparsteve - 2017-08-03 10:01 AM

your a desoto restorer sir? seems a lot of guys here

obsessed with desotos! dont forget the 1958 saleathon!

also... when cutting down trees , look for bees! and

beetles in spring special trim! (ah s**t - beetles! )




After restoring my 59 Dodge, I wanted something even more rare, so I went with the 58 DeSoto.
If you have a 58 DeSoto, then you know about the Beyer Motors Sell-a-thon.

I picked up an old tire the other day, and gave it a toss. A swarm of bees came out of it. I got away clean, but I
must have just missed grabbing a hold of that nest.





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Posted 2017-08-03 3:33 PM (#545504 - in reply to #539736)
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those guys would have made anyone a sweet deal on


a 58 firefliite or even an adventurer conv in the middle

of a recession... the eisehower recesion - which ended

in 1959. and they would have taken special orders -

hi - i noticed the ad on the new regal lancer - id like

one - but i want a convertible!
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Posted 2017-08-04 12:40 AM (#545539 - in reply to #545504)
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Are you looking for all the gas fill parts (door, filler tube, seals, etc)? I have some from a '57 Chrysler that are probably the same. I have a gas tank and straps, too. But I'm not sure I can mail a gas tank! :D

I like the color on your '58, what a cool car...
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Posted 2017-08-04 3:32 PM (#545578 - in reply to #545539)
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57burb - 2017-08-04 12:40 AM

Are you looking for all the gas fill parts (door, filler tube, seals, etc)? I have some from a '57 Chrysler that are probably the same. I have a gas tank and straps, too. But I'm not sure I can mail a gas tank! :D

I like the color on your '58, what a cool car...



No Sir. I have all parts of this car. Thank you.
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Posted 2017-08-05 6:43 PM (#545646 - in reply to #545578)
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What I did to my Forward Look today. I noticed that the back window was not seated all the way, so
I removed the glass and cleaned out the track. This is what I was left with.



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Posted 2017-08-05 8:06 PM (#545648 - in reply to #545646)
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Oops.



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Posted 2017-08-05 8:21 PM (#545649 - in reply to #545648)
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In fact you might want to place an order with me for this T-shirt:





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Posted 2017-08-05 10:06 PM (#545657 - in reply to #539736)
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Not too bad. Better than my New Yorker. I'm sure you can patch that up in no time. Is that an original power antenna? If so, can you show a picture of the switch for it on the dash?
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Posted 2017-08-05 10:33 PM (#545658 - in reply to #545649)
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56D500boy - 2017-08-05 8:21 PM

In fact you might want to place an order with me for this T-shirt:




LOL I think everyone that restores cars is gonna need one of those shirts.

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Posted 2017-08-05 10:53 PM (#545660 - in reply to #545657)
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Not too bad. Better than my New Yorker. I'm sure you can patch that up in no time. Is that an original power antenna? If so, can you show a picture of the switch for it on the dash?



No that's not too bad. I think I can handle it.

Sorry, That is not a power antenna.



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Posted 2017-08-08 3:12 PM (#545858 - in reply to #545660)
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First of all, Thanks again Doc for saving those trunk lid bars a long time ago. They actually helped 2 cars.
I have one left over.
Does anyone know if these are the correct clips to hold those bars on the trunk? I noticed that all the
bars were at different levels. I figure that driving vibration makes them fall down, and possibly fall off.
How does one keep them straight?



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Posted 2017-08-16 9:21 PM (#546371 - in reply to #545858)
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This windshield seal must be a common problem, I have seen it a few times.



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Posted 2017-08-16 9:25 PM (#546372 - in reply to #546371)
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Just for fun, I sanded the red off part of the top, just to get an idea of what it would look like with a white top.



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Posted 2017-08-18 10:46 AM (#546467 - in reply to #545858)
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58DeSoDodge59 - 2017-08-08 2:12 PM

First of all, Thanks again Doc for saving those trunk lid bars a long time ago. They actually helped 2 cars.
I have one left over.
Does anyone know if these are the correct clips to hold those bars on the trunk? I noticed that all the
bars were at different levels. I figure that driving vibration makes them fall down, and possibly fall off.
How does one keep them straight?

The factory and dealer only cared about them looking good until the paperwork was signed.

I suppose the clips were plenty strong to hold them in place when new. Over time, they will corrode and weaken, and then if the bars are removed that weakens the clips even more.

Maybe it makes sense to add a hole, near the top of where you want each bar to be, and add a clip there. That way even if all the clips are not perfectly tight, each bar will maintain its position vertically.
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Posted 2017-08-22 11:36 PM (#546791 - in reply to #546467)
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I removed the side trim. Lots of dirt and rust under there.

BTW, If anyone wanted to know if they painted the same body color under the sweep, here's your proof.

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Posted 2017-08-27 3:19 PM (#547144 - in reply to #546791)
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Ruby (on the left) or Heather (on the right) ?



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Posted 2017-08-30 11:22 PM (#547399 - in reply to #547144)
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I wanted to post a picture of each side, before I put my hands on it. It's going to get worse before it gets better.



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Posted 2017-08-31 1:20 PM (#547436 - in reply to #547399)
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Nice, Kurt! It is fun to see all the activity!
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Posted 2017-09-01 11:55 PM (#547561 - in reply to #547436)
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Before and after. Does anyone want to see my bad welding job?



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Posted 2017-09-02 9:12 AM (#547566 - in reply to #547561)
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I do! I do! Hey, at least your trunk won't flood when you wash the car!
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Posted 2017-09-03 9:07 PM (#547692 - in reply to #547566)
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If you enjoyed what was in the glove box, then you should really enjoy what I
found in the head liner.



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Posted 2017-09-03 10:40 PM (#547700 - in reply to #539736)
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so your going to restore it ? i suggest media blasting to find any

hidden rust / body damage ... and what color was it ?
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Posted 2017-09-04 6:44 PM (#547745 - in reply to #539736)
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I like the metallic green!!! Same happened here in northern NY with ash. it reminds me of dutch elm and the long boring bug that killed all the beautiful elm trees.
By the way, nice 58!!!!
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Posted 2017-09-12 9:01 AM (#548204 - in reply to #547745)
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Metallic green!!!??? Not for this car.
This is my patriotic car. It looks red, white and blue now, but it will be purpley blue, with a white top.
Heather will be pretty again.



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Posted 2017-09-17 8:09 PM (#548597 - in reply to #548204)
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Ladies and gentlemen, this is what you get when you have an aluminum panel over painted metal
for almost 60 years.



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Posted 2017-09-17 10:47 PM (#548600 - in reply to #548597)
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58DeSoDodge59 - 2017-09-17 8:09 PM Ladies and gentlemen, this is what you get when you have an aluminum panel over painted metal
for almost 60 years.


On the upside, you won't have to make the body/paint perfect, just rust proof, in those areas.
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Posted 2017-09-18 8:24 AM (#548613 - in reply to #548600)
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56D500boy - 2017-09-17 10:47 PM

58DeSoDodge59 - 2017-09-17 8:09 PM Ladies and gentlemen, this is what you get when you have an aluminum panel over painted metal
for almost 60 years.


On the upside, you won't have to make the body/paint perfect, just rust proof, in those areas.



Yes, and I bet a layer of body filler, for the pits, will help a little bit also.
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Posted 2017-09-18 8:26 AM (#548614 - in reply to #548597)
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Removing the rear bumper. I was able to unscrew two bolts, but I had to cut off the other two.



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Posted 2017-09-18 10:09 AM (#548623 - in reply to #539736)
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Looks like you're moving right along. Nice.
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Posted 2017-09-21 12:03 PM (#548867 - in reply to #548623)
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Powerflite - 2017-09-18 10:09 AM

Looks like you're moving right along. Nice.



As they say, "Slow, but sure".

Check out this picture that I took the other day. It shows me that lighting is everything.
It shows a big contrast towards the back, but almost blends in at the flash. My personal
feeling is that they used too much metallic in the paint. When you put it in the sun, it almost
looks silver. I would rather see a richer, darker blue, like what we see at the back of this
picture and what we see in the original Ad.



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Posted 2017-09-23 12:37 PM (#549016 - in reply to #548867)
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Almost 60 years of dirt.



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Posted 2017-09-23 12:53 PM (#549017 - in reply to #549016)
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58DeSoDodge59 - 2017-09-23 12:37 PM
Almost 60 years of dirt.


That photo shows the small OE trim clips used to hold the side trim on.



I am guessing that the universal(ish) trim clips Auveco has in their Section 23 (starting on page 722 of 799) will work for you (in Canada these are sold by GENO):

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Posted 2017-09-23 3:39 PM (#549022 - in reply to #549017)
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Those universal type clips are used on the front fender and also the last one at the top of the
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Posted 2017-09-23 8:43 PM (#549029 - in reply to #549022)
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I am glad that I put the other car on hold so I could restore this one. This one allows me to see the
complete panels and all the little bends. That knowledge will help me when I weld together the
other Spring Special.




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Posted 2017-09-25 8:41 AM (#549113 - in reply to #549029)
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Posted 2017-09-25 2:16 PM (#549131 - in reply to #549113)
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Posted 2017-09-26 1:11 PM (#549199 - in reply to #549131)
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Nice work Kurt! Gosh, I love the look of the anodized trim on the spring specials, but what havoc it creates some 60 years later! Hey, NOBODY was building cars back then that they expected to last 60 years.
When you put it back though, the next 60 years will be a lot different as far as use and cleaning go.
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Posted 2017-09-26 2:16 PM (#549210 - in reply to #539736)
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DeSoto does better with spring special. Plymouth, Dodge, DeSoto & Windsors had spring special deals in '58. Did the senior level Chryslers have anything different?
If I were you, I would protect the backside of your trim by painting it, maybe with clear. That will help it from oxidizing and thinning out. It might even help the dirt to flow out of that gap too.
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Posted 2017-09-26 4:02 PM (#549216 - in reply to #549210)
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Yes! Saratogas at the least had spring trim too, similar to the Windsor and De Soto trunk and rocker package.
The 300s and Imperials might have been above such shenanigans!

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58DeSoDodge59
Posted 2017-09-27 6:27 PM (#549309 - in reply to #549199)
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Lancer Mike - 2017-09-26 1:11 PM

Nice work Kurt! Gosh, I love the look of the anodized trim on the spring specials, but what havoc it creates some 60 years later! Hey, NOBODY was building cars back then that they expected to last 60 years.
When you put it back though, the next 60 years will be a lot different as far as use and cleaning go.



60 years is a long time. I'm not even there yet.
One thing that I am sure they did not do back then was to wax the car before putting on this trim.
Doing something as minor as that will go a long way also.
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Posted 2017-09-27 6:56 PM (#549311 - in reply to #549210)
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Powerflite - 2017-09-26 2:16 PM

DeSoto does better with spring special. Plymouth, Dodge, DeSoto & Windsors had spring special deals in '58. Did the senior level Chryslers have anything different?
If I were you, I would protect the backside of your trim by painting it, maybe with clear. That will help it from oxidizing and thinning out. It might even help the dirt to flow out of that gap too.



Actually, I was planning to put clear Lacquer on both sides of the trim.
Has anyone ever cleaned up aluminum trim like this before? It is a little corroded. I was planning on
taking a Brillo pad to it first, and then fine block sandpaper to the top of it. Any better ideas?



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Posted 2017-09-27 9:19 PM (#549315 - in reply to #549311)
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58DeSoDodge59 - 2017-09-27 6:56 PM

Actually, I was planning to put clear Lacquer on both sides of the trim.
Has anyone ever cleaned up aluminum trim like this before? It is a little corroded. I was planning on
taking a Brillo pad to it first, and then fine block sandpaper to the top of it. Any better ideas?


That would depend on what the original finish was (probably anodized (flat(ish) silver)). (??)

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Posted 2017-09-27 10:48 PM (#549319 - in reply to #549315)
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Posted 2017-09-28 1:20 PM (#549357 - in reply to #549319)
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Kurt, you might try a scotch-brite pad as opposed to brillo - a little more gentle and very effective! There's also lots of aluminum polishing compounds out there for a brilliant finish.
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Posted 2017-10-11 9:02 PM (#550182 - in reply to #549357)
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Dave and Mike , I see what you guys are saying. If I use the Scotch Brite pads, it should clean
up the Anodized-Aluminum and still keep the Anodized finish. If I use the Brillo pads, it will take
that finish off.
So if I lose the finish, I could polish the tops of the ribs. That would give me a shinier finish.

So the question is; Do I keep the Anodized finish, or do I polish it out and have a shinier finish?

Also, since I have two Spring Specials, Do I sand and polish the worst set, and try to save the better set?
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Posted 2017-10-16 3:56 PM (#550394 - in reply to #550182)
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I finished up the welding on the rear window frame, and then painted it with POR15.

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Posted 2017-10-16 4:10 PM (#550395 - in reply to #550394)
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58DeSoDodge59 - 2017-10-16 3:56 PM

I finished up the welding on the rear window frame, and then painted it with POR15.


do you like that stuff? did they improve it? around 25 years ago i found out the hard way it only works on rusted surfaces. on bare metal without rust (sanded and degreased) you can pull it off like a skin when dry. so when you install the rear window you will easily damage the surface and make way for rust. i would have used a regular primer aplied with some heat to bake it on.
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im sold on Rust Bullet over Por15, I also top coat my rust bullet.

Ill let Bob explain

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Posted 2017-10-16 5:17 PM (#550402 - in reply to #550395)
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58DeSoDodge59 - 2017-10-16 3:56 PM

I finished up the welding on the rear window frame, and then painted it with POR15.


do you like that stuff? did they improve it? around 25 years ago i found out the hard way it only works on rusted surfaces. on bare metal without rust (sanded and degreased) you can pull it off like a skin when dry. so when you install the rear window you will easily damage the surface and make way for rust. i would have used a regular primer aplied with some heat to bake it on.



I painted the bottom, frame and floors of my 59 Dodge with POR15. I have had no problems.
But I used their Degreaser and Metal Ready when I did it.
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Posted 2017-10-16 5:31 PM (#550404 - in reply to #550400)
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im sold on Rust Bullet over Por15, I also top coat my rust bullet.

Ill let Bob explain

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I07ra5_c1sM




Attaboy Bob.

Why was the POR15 not top coated with POR15 Top coat?

I will stick with POR15. Those test are always rigged anyway.



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Posted 2017-10-16 9:44 PM (#550424 - in reply to #550404)
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58DeSoDodge59 - 2017-10-16 5:31 PM
mikes2nd - 2017-10-16 5:00 PM im sold on Rust Bullet over Por15, I also top coat my rust bullet. Ill let Bob explain https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I07ra5_c1sM
Attaboy Bob. Why was the POR15 not top coated with POR15 Top coat? I will stick with POR15. Those test are always rigged anyway.

 

this was a long time ago, dont think por15 had a top coat but the instruction say you should top coat, these were the same spec tests.  Are you saying Rust Bullet cheated and didnt use the standardized test they stated they did?

I have used both and Rust Bullet is the better product. It goes on with alot stronger adhesion and it has a thicker consistency.  Por 15 flows a bit better but if you must do alot of scuffing roughing of the surface.

It has a smoother single coat but I always top coat.

 

 

 

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Posted 2017-10-17 3:52 PM (#550488 - in reply to #550425)
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mikes2nd - 2017-10-16 10:16 PM

58DeSoDodge59 - 2017-10-16 5:31 PM
mikes2nd - 2017-10-16 5:00 PM im sold on Rust Bullet over Por15, I also top coat my rust bullet. Ill let Bob explain https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I07ra5_c1sM
Attaboy Bob. Why was the POR15 not top coated with POR15 Top coat? I will stick with POR15. Those test are always rigged anyway.

 

this was a long time ago, dont think por15 had a top coat but the instruction say you should top coat, these were the same spec tests.  Are you saying Rust Bullet cheated and didnt use the standardized test they stated they did?

I have used both and Rust Bullet is the better product. It goes on with alot stronger adhesion and it has a thicker consistency.  Por 15 flows a bit better but if you must do alot of scuffing roughing of the surface.

It has a smoother single coat but I always top coat.

 

 

 




I'm saying that I don't trust anyone's testing. Let me buy the product and try it. If it works, I will stick with it.
If it doesn't, you will never hear from me again.
I painted my 59 Dodge back in 2001. I have not had a problem. No peeling, no rust bubbles, nothing coming apart.
Like you said, that test was done along time ago. POR15, like other companies, has made improvements and some
better products. Until I see a problem, I will stick with POR15.

Boy, I sound like a commercial.
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Posted 2017-10-17 4:08 PM (#550490 - in reply to #550424)
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"You can't buy happiness, but you can buy a DeSoto...."

I really like that Would make a good bumper sticker.

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Posted 2017-10-18 5:52 PM (#550565 - in reply to #550490)
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Someone from Australia is selling those stickers on ebay. You can change the word DeSoto to whatever.

I was playing with some art works.



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Posted 2017-10-20 11:26 PM (#550730 - in reply to #550565)
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Solex on your new DeSoto



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