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Location: arizona | ive been lurking here for a while and finally picked up a 61 dodge pioneer and figured i would share it with you guys. its a runner driver that i bought while working in oregon. needs lots of love but i plan on doing work on it as i drive it. poly 318 car with a push button trans. plan on doing a mild early 60s style custom. |
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Location: arizona | thanks! yes paint is a must. but i have a fair amount of rust repair and body work to do. but paint is high on my priority list. i need to rebuild the carb still reset timing, and lash valves. i wanna to make it fairly reliable firat thing. |
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Location: arizona | the back is lowered 3". im letting pb blaster work its magic on the torsion bar hardware before i crank the front down. the rockers are solid but the rear quarter is rotted out and so is the bottom of the decklid. and the floor boards need some lovin. and the front fenders need some hammer and dolly work. |
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a boring beige 61 Pioneer 4 door sedan. So unsexy it is just
awesome ! I never liked the add-on tail lights, so those would
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stripper/boring statement, but damm ... that is cool. Love it !
My ugly-azz boring stripper sedan :
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Location: arizona | thanks man! yea its one of those red headed stepchild four doors that arent worth anything restored so you may as well customize it. i had the thought of removing the lower tailights and frenching in the uppers. just a thought at this point though. but i picked it up for $995 bucks |
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Location: arizona | i helped a buddy build this one a few years ago. someone posted it to the FL forum and got a whole bunch of negative comments back before it was painted. but it was a fun car and have had a soft spot for 61s ever since.
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Location: WHEELING,WV.>>>HOME OF WWVA | looks pretty solid for the most part . what steering column and or adapter was used for the custom steering wheel ----------------------------------------------------later |
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Location: arizona | yes its in fairly decent shape and mostly complete. the factory steering wheel was cracked and missing chunks so i cut the center out and drilled and tapped it for the three spoke mooneyes metalflake wheel,since grant no longer makes adapters for the FL cars and hasnt for many years
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Location: arizona | heres a few more pics. i dont have many interior pics yet since it isn't much to look at lol
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Location: Hamburg-Germany | cool car--i like the 4 door sedans--you see them not so often on the road |
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Location: So. Cal | 61kustom - 2018-01-20 10:22 AM
... i had the thought of removing the lower tailights and frenching in the uppers. just a thought at this point though...
Nice project. The '61 Dodge is likely my favorite from '61 with it's very unique frumpy style. Rather than frenching in the uppper taillights, I think it would look better and compliment the style if you were to extend the lower taillights close to the license plate along the bottom valence. I think that would look pretty good that way and not detract from the unique fin structure as much as frenching the uppers would.
Oh...and I would also just sand that rust down a bit and clear coat it. A rusty looking 4dr sedan with power & handling would have a cool factor all it's own.
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Location: arizona | thats not a bad idea powerflite. i like that. i need to sketch out a few different options to see what i like most. as for the patina ive never been a big fan of that craze. especially since i plan on nosing decking and shaving the handles. |
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Location: arizona | luedi - 2018-01-21 4:45 AM
cool car--i like the 4 door sedans--you see them not so often on the road thank you! ive never been a fan of any gm or ford four doors sinch the roofs were noticeably taller than their hard tops. but ive always loved to profle of a 4 door post 61. |
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Location: arizona | thanks to power flite for the hei conversion plate. couldnt be happier with the upgrade |
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Location: WHEELING,WV.>>>HOME OF WWVA | 61kustom - 2018-01-20 11:52 PM
yes its in fairly decent shape and mostly complete. the factory steering wheel was cracked and missing chunks so i cut the center out and drilled and tapped it for the three spoke mooneyes metalflake wheel,since grant no longer makes adapters for the FL cars and hasnt for many years
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Location: arizona | yes the horn works. i used a universal install kit usually for boats |
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Location: arizona | i scored a set of seats this week from a 68 tbird at the junk yard for a whopping 52 bucks. such an improvement from the old wore out upholstery
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Location: arizona | after a new hei ignition, new radiator, and a fresh rebuild on the carburetor i finally hit the streets and put about 50 miles on the pioneer today. its running great and i got new valve cover gaskets and plan on relashing the valves this week
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Location: arizona | im not a patina fan either. im itching just to at least get it in primer so its a solid color. but i think for the trim i want to find seneca trim that stops on the rear door and fill the holes on the front door. i dont like how the front fender lines dont jive with the side trim.
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Location: Whetstone, Arizona | 61Kustom, where in AZ are you?...i'm based in Sierra Vista |
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Location: arizona | After an ammeter fire and just life in general the car sat for a couple years, but we're back with some progress to share, I'll try to remember if I still know how to post pictures tomorrow.. |
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Location: arizona | I was driving the car daily for a while, the then ammeter smoke show happened.so that was a wrench in the spokes. But I knew I needed to get it going again. So I yarded all the wiring out so we can start from scratch. Then covid hit and I was out of work and low on funds. So doing big upgrades wasn't gonna happen for a while. So I pulled the front clip apart to paint and clean up in the mean time
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Location: arizona | Once I got back to work I ordered a brake booster, and it's been down hill from there since. That was around May of 2021. Then i starting hitting junkyards and ordering parts. Bought a set of aspen spindles in Fresno, john at big M had a deck lid for me, found a nice 8.25 rearend from a 73 Cuda out near bakersfield.. then i ordered an 9+3 wiring harness from rebel wire. So the car is rewired now, brakes are all plumbed, and no I just need to finish getting the front end together so it's drivable again
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Location: Finland | I am relieved to see that you have a nicer steering wheel now...and that you didn`t use the hub with the three tiny holes almost drilled through the side of the hub. I don`t think that would have
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Location: Kalispell, MT USA | I love following your work. I have a cousin to your Dodge, my 1964 880. Here is the album of my work so far..
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An ammeter/wiring fire sidelined my car in 1975. My parents bought it in 1969, and when it quit I was only 11 and couldn't help my dad much. I rescued it from a friend's salvage yard about 4 years ago. I love these old cars, summer cruising is like driving an old memory.
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Location: arizona | Hey norm! I absolutely love those 880s that's a car I would like to have myself. That's awesome that you were able to get it back after all those years and keep it in the family. You almost never hear about someone getting back their actual car, but finding a replacement rather. |
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SO 0525 = Scheduled on May 25, 1961
NUMBER 0118 = 18th Dodge built that day
BDY 523 = Dodge Dart V8 (5) Pioneer (2) Four Door Sedan (3)
TRM 313 = Tan Vinyl and Tan Cloth Upholstery
PNT YY1 = Buckskin Paint – Single Tone
A3 = Torqueflite Transmission
Z3 = No idea; It might be Trunk Light or Windshield Washer w/ Wipers 
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Location: arizona | Thanks for the info! It is Hamtramck built. There's no trunk light on this car, but it did have the windshield washer set up so that may be |
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Location: arizona | Some more update pictures. Doing some off season work to keep the money comin. So progress is slow. But making progress nonetheless
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Location: arizona | Got the brakes buttoned up, frenched in antennas, installed the deck lid I bought from John last year, installed new taillight lenses, and got the rear lights wired up |
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Location: DFW, TX | Not sure how I missed this thread! You've got a great kustom going together there. Really enjoying your attention to detail on the wiring and suspension. Car is a knockout already, and only going to get better. Nice job! |
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Location: arizona | Thanks 57burb! What started out as a wiring job to get it on the road so I can work on it while I drive it snowballed really quickly. Luckily my wife understands my obsession and the kids like to help too. |
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Location: arizona | Ordered a new torsion bar adjustment bolt on ebay, so this week I should be able to get the front ride height dialed in. In the mean time been plugging away on get the handles shaved and filling unwanted wholes.
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Location: arizona | Because the front fenders dents are hard to get to with hammer and dolly and I don't have a stud gun and slide hammer, I removed the headlight/grill pocket since I have do make some repairs anyway on the grill mount. Once it was out I hammered out the dents and used my english wheel to iron out some of the long creases that stemmed off the bigger dents, it's a far reach from perfect so some filler will be needed but it's alot better. I don't do this for a living but very passionate about cars in general and metal shaping. So I'm learning as I go, with hopes to have something to fall back on if need be. I turned 30 last year, and very excited after all the years of buying and selling unfinished projects since my teens, I finally have the means to get one done and make it nice |
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Location: arizona | @powerflite It does work very well, and theres something satisfying know that your using old steel as well. I think it's the fact the you can upcycle it rather than scraping it out. I replace the decklid so the old one was the perfect donor. I'll use as much of it as I can |
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Location: arizona | Making some more progress. Got the fender where I like it, should get it back on the car this weekend. Then I will start working on the other fender repairing the same rusted areas. Then jump on the hood. I'm gonna sand and paint and do body as need 1 panel at a time. My intention is to get the car fairly smoothed out and in one color. I wanna just drive it for a year or 2 and enjoy it for a while before diving into the true bodywork and paint.
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Location: northern germany | 61kustom - 2022-02-21 2:52 PM
@powerflite It does work very well, and theres something satisfying know that your using old steel as well. I think it's the fact the you can upcycle it rather than scraping it out. I replace the decklid so the old one was the perfect donor. I'll use as much of it as I can
Haha, can't say I like the shaved handles, but otherwise I do the same. I'm always, when possible, using 50s steel. 1. correct gauge. 2. good feeling you are recycling steel that consumed energy 3. Its nothing new, all old steel on my ride, that cruised the Eisenhower highways 60+ years ago  |
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Location: arizona | Got the photos to upload, came out weird |
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Location: DFW, TX | Yep, photos are weird but the car is looking great! I saw on IG that you're starting in on the floors. Your car is turning out awesome... |
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Location: arizona | Making some headway on my budget friendly cruiser..
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Location: arizona | Should have the floors finished this week so we can get the other seat mocked up. Then I'm gonna build a small tunnel for rear drive shaft clearance. Paint the floors and seal it. Them I'm just gonna drive the hell out of it for a while. Lots of work put in this year, ready to enjoy it for a while |
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Location: Echuca | Looking good! |
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Location: arizona | Well I got the floors buttoned up, formed a new rear driveshaft tunnel section to eliminate the rubbing, got the seats mounted up and the front sheet metal all completely bolted up. Felt good to get it off the stands and wash it for the first time since I painted it. And sitting in with solid floors for the first time is a great feeling!
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Location: arizona | I'll try and upload more photos. Not working for some reason...
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Location: arizona | .trying again...
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Location: arizona | Took it for a short sprint yesterday, everything feels great and works as it should, one thing I need to do this week is wire up a pair of diodes for the turn signal indicator. Insurance is current and should be ready to start stacking some miles this week. I pre registered to go to a car show up in Mt Shasta this weekend with some buddys, so fingers crossed I'll be ready |
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Location: So. Cal | That English wheel looks fun to use. Wish I had the shop space for one. |
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Location: arizona | It's came in handy a few times! I really don't have the space, but it's got wheels on it so I can shove it outside out of the way. And I also mounted my shrinker/stretcher to it. So it's dual purpose
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