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Posted 2018-11-02 12:38 AM (#572778)
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I bought this car a couple of months back, but just got it to my house yesterday. This car is very needy to bring it up to usable status. It has no drivetrain of course and is missing a number of small parts here and there, as well as the rear window. Fortunately, I have a rear window from the 300D I parted out, and I think I have all the trim for it, but I haven't checked it out completely yet. Most of the floors are in surprisingly good shape except for the right front area. The trunk floor is also very good except for a section of the right rear seam area. Outer rockers and right rear wheel lip are rusted. Someone in it's past life decided to cut a section of the frame out, right where the steering box mounts, so it was a real joy to get it off the truck and onto my driveway. My muscles are still sore from forcing it to steer straight and pushing it around. But I never did get rid of that '57 Windsor frame I had sitting around from the car I parted out. It's a good thing too, as I will be swapping it into this one ASAP so I can steer it the next time I need to move it.

I don't have a lot of bandwidth to work on this one, but I am going to make it a priority to get the frame swapped, put good brakes on it, and get all of the latches, windows & doors working on it before I move on to a different project. That should keep it in good condition while sitting in the weather, what little weather we have here. This car will get the '57 New Yorker 392 I was prepping for the '58 New Yorker and that car will get a '58 Imperial motor instead.

The car was originally white with turquoise roof and sweep, power seat, power steering, dual rear antennae, fender spears (now missing) and a turquoise interior. I think I will reverse the color scheme and make the body turquoise with a white roof & sweep instead. Being realistic, this car won't be finished any time soon though, but it will be fun to work on it as I have time for it.



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Posted 2018-11-02 1:57 AM (#572780 - in reply to #572778)
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When you have so many New Yorkers you have to identify them by color , nice addition to your collection. I don’t suppose you would sell me (or trade) one of those 56 New Yorker center caps for my hood emblem, would you? The one I have is silver, should be gold.
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Posted 2018-11-02 7:54 AM (#572784 - in reply to #572780)
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Wow, another one! I used to think '57 New Yorkers were rare, but now everyone on the FL site has one, and you've got... what, ten?

Congrats on the score. I have quite a few of the parts you're looking for. You should plan a road trip to Texas and get all this stuff!
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Posted 2018-11-02 11:37 AM (#572790 - in reply to #572778)
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Yes, another one. I must be a masochist. Steve, the correct hood ornament has a gold shield like this picture. I don't have any like that. I thought yours was the same as the ones I have. All the '56 NY emblems should be the same. The '55 had a turquoise shield and silver outline, but I didn't think that's what you had.

I am heading out on a road trip to Arizona next weekend to get some fwdlook parts, but Texas would make that trip a lot longer! I wish you were closer, but I will definitely let you know what I need Danny to reduce your pile a little.



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Posted 2018-11-02 11:46 AM (#572791 - in reply to #572778)
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This is what the frame looks like. The best solution for it is a frame swap. A couple of weeks ago, my son and I cleaned up the Windsor frame to bare metal, primed & painted it, and attached an axle to it to make it more mobile. The Windsor frame was from this area so it was really clean & free of rust pitting. This axle I have on it has smaller brakes installed so I will pull all the suspension components from the New Yorker and swap onto the Windsor frame. The left rear springs on the New Yorker are all broken except for the top leaf so that makes it lean to the left quite a bit. I will use the Windsor leafs on it instead, so that will solve that problem.



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Posted 2018-11-02 12:03 PM (#572792 - in reply to #572791)
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looks like ya got a little rust issue there by the steering box
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Posted 2018-11-03 1:33 AM (#572830 - in reply to #572778)
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Nathan, congrats to the new find. Sooner or later I will visit you for a ride in one of your fabulous cars.
When its getting a bit later, maybe in that NYer

57burb - 2018-11-02 12:54 PM
Wow, another one! I used to think '57 New Yorkers were rare, but now everyone on the FL site has one, and you've got... what, ten?


I unfortunetably have'nt Danny

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Posted 2018-11-03 4:27 AM (#572834 - in reply to #572778)
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Nice score Nathan , funny enough since I got my second 57 New Yorker earlier this year I have seen very few for sale . Nice score and great colours , I think the opposite combination will work well . That's a bonus you had a frame lying around !

Tom why did you not buy my Sunset Rose one when it was at auction at Barrett Jackson and Russo and Steele , I didn't bid on it myself as they told me the guiding range was $20k more than it sold for . I still cant believe such a nice car sold there for $16.5k at russo and steele . I thought you might have bought it Tom ?
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Posted 2018-11-03 1:06 PM (#572852 - in reply to #572778)
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Yeah, they don't come up for sale often, and the ones that do, like this one are typically very needy. Even more important than the extra frame is the back window. I don't know where you could get one if you needed it. But if I were smart, I should have purchased the rose one that you mentioned. That was a steal.

Tom, you are welcome to visit anytime! Or come out to Williams in October and hang out with us at the BigM yard.
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Posted 2018-11-03 9:06 PM (#572860 - in reply to #572778)
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Yes i know the bug back window was a godsend also . The repro ones are a few thousand dollars i think from Timo ?
Nathan annoyingly I had to pay $10k more for my New Yorker buying it through an onseller on ebay , but that made the deal safer and easier for me anyway being overseas .
It killed me to pay that though as the exchange rate is terrible , but I doubt I will find a nicer low mileage one in the colour I wanted . I should have paid you to go look at it for me more seriously . That's hindsight !
The car turned out to be a real doozy and Ive fixed most of the nasty fixed mechanics have done over the years , so its now how we all like them and the trim is all back to original . You have done well to pick up all your cars . We just cant buy them in needy condition anymore as it costs to much to ship each item out here now . In saying that I still couldn't help buying that 59 Flite coupe lol .

Keep up the good work and I love seeing pics of your work , there doesn't seem like you let any of these problems on these cars beat you !
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Posted 2018-11-04 10:16 AM (#572886 - in reply to #572778)
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I try to overcome them, mainly because I don't want to see another one of these cars get turned into another Toyota.

I made some progress yesterday. No going back from here. It made it easier to remove the T-bars to just cut the other side of the frame, and a lot less weight when I pull it out of there. The T-bar adjuster bolts were kicking my behind. I had to use a 6 ft extension on my breaker bar to turn them every bit of the way. They weren't rusted or seized, they were just really hard to turn; even after dowsing them with oil. When I pulled down on the right side leaf spring while removing the axle mount, the main leaf on that side broke in my hands! I'm glad it didn't break while in transit. Those leafs are junk! Next up is to remove everything heavy from the trunk, unbend the seat bolts, re-tap them, and remove the seats. I didn't have to remove the body mounts because the body was held onto the frame with only 1 bolt. That explains why the body was sitting on the frame a little lopsided. Before I attempt to lift the body I will probably need to reinforce the lower quarters and left side rocker because they are too rusted to hold any weight. Otherwise, I could start lifting it right away.




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Posted 2018-11-04 10:21 AM (#572887 - in reply to #572778)
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I was surprised that I had a lot of trouble removing the upper control arms. The nuts welded to the inside of the frame on the rear-most mounts came loose and the bolts just spun around. I've never experienced that before. I guess I should have heated the bolts red hot before I tried to remove them? It doesn't matter on this frame because it's junk anyway, but I sure wouldn't want that to happen on a frame that I care about. Anyone else dealt with this before and have a good strategy to either prevent it or fix it when it happens? I ended up torching them off to get the control arms off.



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Posted 2018-11-04 10:56 PM (#572941 - in reply to #572886)
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Powerflite - 2018-11-04 3:16 PM
some progress


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Posted 2018-11-05 2:40 AM (#572946 - in reply to #572778)
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Yes, I don't like having my cars torn completely apart on my driveway for too long, so I am more motivated than usual.

This is the fender tag for it. Looks like the whole title to this thread is wrong. It is a Parade Green color, not the Indian Turquoise. Looking at the paint, it really is the parade green too, which is more of a dark aqua color. But it's weird because the interior looks like a turquoise color. It must have faded over time because trim code 25 is definitely the green version. The turquoise version would be code 28.

Options:
315 = Dual rear antennae
326 = 6 way power seat
335 = Left outside rear view mirror
348 = Shaded backlight (What is this - A shade on the rear window?)
334 = Day/Night interior mirror
319 = Music master radio
322 = Rear speaker (not currently there except for the wiring)
323 = Custom Conditionaire heater/defroster
324 = Rear window defogger (not currently there)
264 or maybe 284? = ??
332 = Solex glass

Missing items I expected to be there:
327 power steering
329 clock
343 fender ornaments
541? rightside mirror

It could be that the fender ornaments & rightside mirror were added later in life. The mounting holes for them are all that's left there now. But maybe the clock and power steering are standard on a New Yorker so they don't bother to list them? I know that's the case for the cushioned dash, torqueflite, and light package.




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Posted 2018-11-05 7:39 AM (#572955 - in reply to #572778)
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Shaded backlight means that the rear window would have had a darker band (tint) along the top, same as a shaded windshield does. Since your NY has Solex glass, you would need a tinted/shaded rear window. Extremely rare glass to find I'm told...
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Posted 2018-11-05 7:51 AM (#572956 - in reply to #572778)
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Here is 25 Trim code FYI (my 57 is code 27) and here is a link to a car in Parade green if that helps Nathan .
http://www.forwardlook.net/forums/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=33675

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Posted 2018-11-05 10:42 AM (#572971 - in reply to #572778)
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Thanks for the info Brad and James. Could you post some pictures of your code 27 interior James? I haven't seen what that looks like. I would assume that a copper colored car would get that code, but is it more of a pink or more of a copper color fabric?
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Posted 2018-11-05 11:06 AM (#572975 - in reply to #572946)
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The '59 cars have a much better design for the upper control arm mounting and adjustment. The upgrights are welded to the frame, and adjustment is by an eccentric cam at the upper control arm. Much more sturdy and eliminates the possibility of damaging the (absolutely critical!) threads in the frame that retain the suspension components. IMO, this was a poor design for '57-58 and is another one of the reasons many of these cars were written off early in their lives.

I absolutely love that teal green Parade Green color. But yes, you now need to change the thread title.

I'm no expert on trim tag decoding, but I wanted to add some information. Or maybe misinformation, you decide!

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Missing items I expected to be there:
327 power steering
329 clock
343 fender ornaments
541? rightside mirror

It could be that the fender ornaments & rightside mirror were added later in life. The mounting holes for them are all that's left there now. But maybe the clock and power steering are standard on a New Yorker so they don't bother to list them? I know that's the case for the cushioned dash, torqueflite, and light package.

The 327 code for optional power steering was only applicable to Windsor and 300C, since power steering was standard equipment on Saratoga and New Yorker.
The 329 for the optional clock was also only applicable to Windsor, as it was standard on Sara/NYer and not available on the 300C where the spot was taken by a tach.
Your car is not coded for the 343 fender ornaments (NYer only), so they were added later, maybe at the dealer, or somewhere down the line.

As to code 541 being for "Mirror - right outside rear view", from what I have seen, that is only going to be found on the IBM card and not the trim tag. There is no 5xx spot on the tag for such a code. But you will find it on the build card (below, near the bottom).

There are also Accessory Groups, which each comprise several popular options combined. Depending on the model, some of the items in the Accessory Groups were standard equipment.
From what I've seen, if an Accessory Group is chosen, then:
- any item in that group that IS standard equipment for that model IS NOT coded on the build card.
- any item in that group that IS NOT standard equipment for that model IS coded on the build card.

For example, my NYer has "Safety" Accessory Group 7, which includes options 333, 334, 335, and 336. Options 333 and 336 are standard on every NYer (padded dash and windshield washer), so my car is not coded for them, but 334 and 335 are optional on NYer (Mirror tilt-type and Mirror left outside) and my car is coded for those. I strongly suspect "541" is actually part of this package, as every car I've seen with Accessory Group 7 has it. But that's not what it says in the handbook. If you get the IBM card, be sure to update this thread and let us know if your car has AG7.



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Posted 2018-11-05 11:43 AM (#572979 - in reply to #572778)
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Nice Score Nathan....My build sheet says 15 for trim which translate to "Dark Green Starlite Faille & Med. Green Broadcloth"....thats a mouthful....
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Posted 2018-11-05 8:17 PM (#573017 - in reply to #572778)
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I see the scans I posted years ago of my Fabric Selector Book are still coming in handy.

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Posted 2018-11-06 6:23 AM (#573040 - in reply to #572778)
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Hi Brad , was that your trim booklet , ive been looking hard for one for years ! My friend has the dealer light box for 57 Chrysler but I cant afford to buy it a this time !

Nathan here are a few pics of the Chrysler interior. That is all the original vinyl from new except the armesrt covers , that's some long grain vinyl that looks aweful . The interior didn't quite come looking like this , tahts probably why the car didn't sell so well . It had an over cover on the front seat in beige , the seats were dirty and the cloth inserts were worn from age . Once I removed the over cover , scrubbed the vinyl up and bought some NOS Insert fabric from SMS and had my trimmer painstakingly resew all the old holes and fit the new insert even using the original hard plastic unobtanium metallic satin gold piping , its all 1957 again . The main vinyl is beige with a pinky hue to it , and the lower rear door panels are an aspro pink and the main door panels are the beige and aspro pink . When SMS sends you samples they don't even know about the Pink being part of the trim package .

Here is also a pic of what I belive your trim would have looked like , but the insert has has a different cloth fitted over the years .

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Posted 2018-11-06 7:16 AM (#573042 - in reply to #572778)
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James, that interior is spellbinding. I can't stop looking at it. What a car, wow.

I believe my old 4dr hardtop was a code 25 car, but the trim tag was so rusty that it was unreadable. I have several pictures of the interior for reference, if needed. But here is the filthy, though untouched, back seat with the green vinyl and jacquard fabric. I always thought the fabric was black though, and not green! Probably would look better if it were cleaned.



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Posted 2018-11-06 9:15 AM (#573047 - in reply to #573040)
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The Adventurer - 2018-11-06 6:23 AM

Hi Brad , was that your trim booklet , ive been looking hard for one for years ! My friend has the dealer light box for 57 Chrysler but I cant afford to buy it a this time !

Nathan here are a few pics of the Chrysler interior. That is all the original vinyl from new except the armesrt covers ,


Oh wow! This is what I've been always talking about. Pure 50s! One of the most beautiful interiors I've ever seen! Love it!
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Posted 2018-11-06 10:01 AM (#573051 - in reply to #573047)
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So if the original paint code FXF meant Parade Green roof, white body, Parade Green sweep





Then the "25" trim code makes perfect sense from a colour co-ordination view point:





Might make sense to "restore"/fix/whatever it back to that.

But that is just my opinion. It's your car obviously.

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Posted 2018-11-06 11:09 AM (#573054 - in reply to #572778)
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I'm guessing that interior will look just as good in an FXF car as an XFX car.
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Posted 2018-11-06 11:30 AM (#573057 - in reply to #573054)
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I started thinking maybe the '349' was missing because your car had been built late enough in the year that "dual" headlights had been phased out, and "quads" were standard equipment, so it would not be necessary for the code to appear.

When I noted your SCH build date as April 6 1957, I started thinking that date sure sounded familiar. I looked at my New Yorker's tag, and it was built on the same day, in the same plant. In fact, yours was the 328th ITEM (Detroit-built New Yorker) on the line that day and mine followed it down 39 units later, the 367th. The 'BODY' number (total ITEMs produced at that factory up to that point) confirm this - they were built exactly 39 cars apart.

uh... wow...


I'd say it appears your car didn't get built with quad headlights or fender ornaments. It looks like maybe someone put another pair of fenders on it at some point, or possibly the dealer made those changes when the car was new.

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Posted 2018-11-06 4:08 PM (#573065 - in reply to #572778)
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Thank you James for posting those pictures. It's the first time I have seen a code 27 interior. You did a great job with the fabric replacement. Really nice looking. I wonder if I can get my wife to sew into all the old holes....probably not.

Danny, wow, what are the chances of that? Our cars were born on the same day in the same plant! If you could go back in time to that day, you would see them both sitting there in the line.

I was thinking the same thing about them no longer bothering to put the dual headlamp option on there, but your car practically proves that not to be the case since it was only 39 cars behind mine on the same day, in the same plant.
So yes, mine was likely a single headlight car originally. Maybe I will swap it back to singles, or maybe not. I do have some single fenders around so I could do it if I wanted to bad enough, but I think I prefer the duals anyway.
I believe that my car was originally sold to North Dakota, I have the original plate that was under the front seat. It's a little weird though because I thought that by January of '57, all the cars were fitted with dual lamps. But it looks like it just became an option that you could ask for in all the states after January.

Oh, and I agree with you that someone must have replaced the fabric in your parts car at some point. That is the black version, not the green one. My green fabric is a lot different looking, and yours looks like the fabric in my other black car.

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Posted 2018-11-07 12:06 AM (#573085 - in reply to #572778)
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Thanks Danny (and Nathan and Sid) , much appreciated , we have had to bring out many cars to Australia and go through so much work , pain , effort and money to finally get such a nice car as this , so I feel we have earned it . If I could go back in time and order any 57 car in the Mopar lineup it would have been a Sunset Rose and code 27 Trim ,so for me it was the ultimate finding the car you like in the colour and trim you like, and it has a great story .
I have followed your car and nathans cars and love seeing what you guys do to them . You are like me and if I was to modify the car I would do it tastefully which you do very well .
I guess we are all lucky to have such kool cars as these 61 years on !
That green trim in your 4 door car has me intrigued , either they made a factory mistake , it was a special order or it was replaced with whatever they could find and black may have been the only one available years later . I guess we will never know now !
The back on the front seat might give it away as a cue , as I doubt that would have been worn out , so if its black there you can almost guarantee it may have been a special order . I love the rear armrest in the 4 door . Makes it look even better .
I cant believe you guys cars are made on the same day 39 cars apart , what are the chances . I checked mine and no such luck , 26 December 1956 mine was built !

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Posted 2018-11-07 9:16 AM (#573107 - in reply to #572778)
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James, I added a picture of your gorgeous code 27 interior to my mid-century page on Pinterest (hopefully permission granted). Thanks!


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Posted 2018-11-07 10:26 AM (#573109 - in reply to #572778)
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Dave, I haven't fully decided yet which color scheme I will be using. I still have time until I am ready to paint the firewall. I am considering 3 schemes as the moment: original, reversed and green/black. I don't want black/green because I already have a black New Yorker body. This is what they might look like.



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Posted 2018-11-07 11:17 AM (#573111 - in reply to #572778)
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no to the black...
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Posted 2018-11-07 11:32 AM (#573112 - in reply to #572778)
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This is the license plate that was under the seat. Looks like it is from 1967 from South Dakota. The numbers look like 3-14389. I had to take a picture of it before it crumbles into dust.



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Posted 2018-11-07 12:54 PM (#573118 - in reply to #573112)
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I usually have a strong opinion on things but when I step back and squint at each of those color schemes to get an idea of how the colors and patterns work together, I don't have a real preference. They're all pretty good!

Maybe go with the factory scheme because it does look nice. And for some people, having a car in its original colors means something, which could translate to a selling point later.

That license plate could be restored! First, you take a piece of sheet metal and stamp all those characters in it, and then you put it on the car.

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Posted 2018-11-07 9:57 PM (#573149 - in reply to #572778)
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White looks best to me on this New Yorker. Don't really know why but it just stands out better - more classy maybe?
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Posted 2018-11-08 5:00 AM (#573155 - in reply to #572778)
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That's cool with me putting it on the mid century page Nathan !

I asked my dad as he's always been good on colours and hes not even one to really like white but says the white with green sweep and roof strikes his liking . I like them all myself !
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Posted 2018-11-08 10:58 AM (#573171 - in reply to #572778)
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If I reverse the colors, I think I would go with a little lighter shade. That would look better.



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Posted 2018-11-09 9:09 PM (#573254 - in reply to #572778)
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I'm the guy who sold this car to Nathan I had it for about a year. I know how hard they are to find, but with so many other cars ahead of it I realized I would never ever get around to it. I wanted it to go to good home where it would get fully restored and I know that is Nathan's place I am parting out one that is literally a twin to this car, exact same color combination, but rotted almost in half.
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Posted 2018-11-09 11:19 PM (#573262 - in reply to #572778)
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Im gonna have to vote white also... that second green looks better though
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Posted 2018-11-12 6:27 AM (#573366 - in reply to #572778)
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Hey Danny did you get my emails photos ok ? Let me know if they haven't got through to you .

Nathan is this what you are looking for ?
https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/1957-Chrysler-New-Yorker-Town-and-Countr...

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Posted 2018-11-12 11:25 AM (#573378 - in reply to #572778)
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Thanks Garrett for the sale and the encouragement.

James, that emblem looks like the correct color scheme, but also appears to have been re-painted as the silver is a little too dark, and the gold isn't shiny enough. Would be OK for a driver, but not at that price.
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Posted 2018-11-12 2:30 PM (#573391 - in reply to #572778)
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I wish you needed another frame.. I have one I'd give you!

I like the green body with white stripe better than the white with green stripe. But really....I'd avoid green altogether. I'm not sure I like the side trim at all....I'd probably paint it all one color - white or black - and chop the top a few inches and....
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Posted 2018-11-12 4:57 PM (#573411 - in reply to #572778)
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Nathan I agree I thought it look painted also . I need one also , but I don't really want to spend that much at the moment either. Although I love the look of the emblem and surround I think that is the one thing that ruins a 57 NY . A round badge in that spot look silly , that's why in 58 they deleted it . Just my opinion though .
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Posted 2018-11-13 2:33 PM (#573452 - in reply to #572778)
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Greg, if you were closer, I would take that frame from you. I seem to use all the parts I end up with. I like the look with the front hood emblem, James, but only if the car doesn't have those optional hood ornaments. Those really clash with that emblem, and I don't really like the look of them anyway. But I wish the emblem weren't made of plastic because it doesn't stand a chance in the hot sun here, sitting on top of the car.

I need to strengthen some of the lower areas before I try lifting the body up. The rear quarters don't need to support much of the weight of the car, but I need to use them to give the structure stability. Otherwise it gets pretty dicey with all the weight near the middle and front of the car. Unfortunately, the lower quarters are rusted as usual so they can't currently support any weight. The wheel lip is also rusted on the right side so that isn't a good option either. But the inner structure on the right side of the lower quarter panel is strong enough that with a good panel welded in place over the rusted outer areas, that it should be plenty strong to support the car back there. So I used a section of rocker panel to tack weld over it, and that looks like it will work well there. However, the left side is another story. Over there, there remains only a skeleton of the inner and outer structure that isn't really capable of holding anything. So I will need to cut out the outer rust to get to the inner part, fix it, and then fix the outer metal. In the end, I figure it will be just as fast to fix it properly as to do a temporary structure on this side, so that's the plan for it. I will use these nice replacement panels I purchased from Lennart in Sweden, and weld them in place once I get the inner structure fixed.

Also notice my leaf spring on the right side? I broke the main leaf by pulling on it with my hands.

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Posted 2018-11-14 11:42 AM (#573503 - in reply to #573452)
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I have a pair of those 'blackcar' full length lower quarter panels for these cars, if you're interested. I'm sure you're aware the reviews are 'mixed' at best, but could really help with getting a car like this one together.

They will transport nicely on a power seat and other large '57 NYer parts that you might need.
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Posted 2018-11-14 2:15 PM (#573507 - in reply to #572778)
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I'm not familiar with the blackcar versions. I can't use the thin gauge classicparts4u crap. I bought a pair, easily bent them in half and threw them into the scrap pile. Can you measure the thickness of them & maybe post a picture? If they are a decent thickness, I could use them. I definitely want your seat if we can figure a way to ship it wihtout breaking my bank. John is on his way home now from the East coast, but it may be a bit late to ask him.
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Posted 2018-11-14 3:30 PM (#573517 - in reply to #573507)
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Powerflite - 2018-11-14 2:15 PM

I'm not familiar with the blackcar versions.


http://www.blackcar-llc.com/mopar.html

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Posted 2018-11-14 5:06 PM (#573530 - in reply to #573507)
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Powerflite - 2018-11-14 1:15 PM

I'm not familiar with the blackcar versions. I can't use the thin gauge classicparts4u crap. I bought a pair, easily bent them in half and threw them into the scrap pile. Can you measure the thickness of them & maybe post a picture? If they are a decent thickness, I could use them. I definitely want your seat if we can figure a way to ship it wihtout breaking my bank. John is on his way home now from the East coast, but it may be a bit late to ask him.


They're pretty much the same crap, if not exactly the same. They may be thin, but they ain't rusty.

I saw that John is stuck in New Mexico with a busted trailer. He was just through DFW. Would have been great to send him on with those parts!

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Posted 2018-11-17 9:07 PM (#573676 - in reply to #572778)
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Yeah, I'll talk to him in a couple weeks and see when the next time he is likely to head that way.

I made some progress on the left lower quarter today. I usually like to keep a skeleton of the original structure because it makes it easier to keep it in the right position. But the inner panel on this one was really too far gone to do that, so I created a pattern from my other car to help me figure out where to put the bends in the new panel. The pattern I made fits like a glove in there right now so all is good. Right now I have the inner metal spot welded in place. I will cut the outer panel and trial fit it in place before I do the final welding on the inner panel to make sure I have it exactly where I want it before it becomes final. I thought I would get the outer panel cut today as well, but the sun goes down so quickly in the winter that I have less time to get it done. But at least it isn't burning hot during the day, so I'm happy.



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Posted 2018-11-18 8:30 PM (#573758 - in reply to #572778)
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You sure don't mess around Nathan , I love your attitude ! Great work .
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Posted 2018-11-19 10:06 PM (#573814 - in reply to #572778)
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Geez Nathan, I knew you worked fast but I didn't know you worked THIS fast. You are making major progress and you haven't even had it a month I need you out here to help me with my projects
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Posted 2018-11-20 1:17 AM (#573828 - in reply to #572778)
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Thanks James and Garrett. I don't usually dive headfirst into rust repair, but in this case, I had to. We decided not to travel this Thanksgiving so I should get a good block of time to work on it this weekend. I hope I get as much done as I envisioned in my head; which pretty much never happens.
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Posted 2018-11-20 9:16 AM (#573839 - in reply to #572778)
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Wow. Fantastic progress in such a short time. Congrats. You are welcome to stop by my shop anytime.
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Posted 2018-11-23 8:52 PM (#574039 - in reply to #573839)
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Thanks Dave, if I am ever in your part of Texas, I definitely will!

I finished welding the inner qtr panel and painted it. I had to remove the undercoating on it first. I made it out of a door skin from a '63 Nova I had laying around. But I wish I would have put the undercoating on the other side of the panel. It was a real pain to get it off. I didn't want it on the inside for fear of it eventually coming off and clogging up the drain with bare metal underneath it.

It looks like someone tried to lift the car by the rusted rocker and bent up all the inner metal on it. It took me quite a while, but I managed to unbend all the inner rocker and got it in the proper position again. The outer metal there was torn up & rusted so I tacked an entire new rocker over the top of it to give it strength and welded up a number of cracks & holes in the surrounding metal.

After that was done, I got to install my sweet new qtr panel. It went on really easily, and the only issue with it was the metal stuck out a little too far near the wheel lip so I had to massage it into shape before I welded it in. I paint all the in-between sides before I weld them together, mark the locations for the spot welds, and lightly grind the paint off with a tiny cutter. THat way, I get paint all between the joints. I didn't finish welding it because I wanted to get to the frame swap ASAP. I will finish welding it and clean up the welds in the next week or so, but it was now strong enough to lift so I went ahead and did it. I was able to pull the old frame out tonight and stripped most of the stuff off of it in the dark. Tomorrow, I will get the new frame under there and cut up the old one.



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Posted 2018-11-25 4:32 AM (#574089 - in reply to #572778)
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It is thoroughly impressive to see the pace with which you attack these repairs. I'd love to see timelapse video of your driveway over the last year or so!

Keep up the great work!
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Posted 2018-11-25 9:34 AM (#574093 - in reply to #572778)
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Thanks Ian, having a block of time off work helps alot

I decided to paint the rear axle housing before I button it up to the new frame so I didn't get to install it yesterday. The leaf springs are the originals to the new '57 Windsor frame that are in great shape. The New Yorker leafs went into the scrap bin. But I had to use all of the hardware from the New Yorker as I can't seem to find the hardware from the Windsor. I know it's somewhere in my garage! It's a lot of manual labor swapping suspension parts around. My muscles aren't real happy this morning. Looking at the T-bars yesterday, I noticed that the right side was visibly bent. The left is very slightly bent, but probably livable. Strange, because I would have expected it to be the other way around since the frame was cut on the left side. So it looks like I will be using the Windsor bars on the car, which have the same part numbers anyway. It seems this car had a hard life in its past.



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Posted 2018-12-04 3:16 PM (#574634 - in reply to #572778)
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I got the frame in last week, but I set the body down in the back on 2 boards lying across the hump. So the rear part of the body is resting on those instead of the frame and makes it sit higher in the back. But the front part is sitting on the frame mounts with the bolts loosely installed. I did this because I have 3 rear body mounts that need work.

I think I am going to only fix the 2 most rear mounts right now and save the other 1 for later, just to be able to get the car put together more quickly. The first mount I am working on is a result of someone cutting the mount out of the body. I presume that this was a shortcut to not having to remove a rusted nut, but cutting it like that doesn't look easy to do, so I am at a loss to explain the reasoning behind it. I will have to make a new panel for it and weld it in place. Not easy to do, because it will likely have to be done upside down. I HATE upside down welding. I still have burn marks on my chest from the last time one of those lava balls found it's way into there. The other mount is rusted in that area and requires a patch.

I also cleaned up & painted the front control arms on the car and re-installed them to the new frame. I was surprised to find out that I couldn't re-use the old hardware from the New Yorker because they used 1/2"-20 fine threaded bolts, and the '57 Windsor frame uses 1/2"-13 coarse threaded bolts. What the?! So I checked out all my other cars and found that all the earlier '57 vehicles used the fine threaded bolts, and all the really late '57 & '58 cars used the coarse thread. This '57 Windsor frame was from a really late production build. Luckily, I managed to find the old Windsor hardware to put it back together. Now I just need to find that alignment wedge for the steering box!

Finally, it took me a while, but I got the trunk lid back on, and latched in place. I had to remove a broken bolt from it, make a tool to re-attach the trunk springs, and find my extra catch that was missing from the car. But it is done now and works well. That was the biggest priority I had because it's a pain to try and keep rain out of there with it off.



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Posted 2018-12-16 12:00 PM (#575327 - in reply to #572778)
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I cleaned up the welds on the quarter panel repair and made a first pass at the hammer & dolly work to smooth it out. This is likely the easiest lower quarter repair job I have ever done. This hobby is a lot more fun when you have good replacement panels to work with. It needs just a little more hammer work to get it perfect, but is real close now.

I also ground down the surface rust on the quarter along with some of the bondo that is there, sprayed it with a rust converter and painted it to preserve it better. Then I replaced the spear side trim with one that is 2" longer (the right length) so that it will reach all the way to the tail light properly. Not sure why that one is so short. It doesn't look to have been repaired or messed with so I don't know what happened with it.

I also repaired the left rear body mount that someone had cut out. It came out much better than I expected. I could probably clean it up a little better if I had the body on a rotisserie, but it came out surprisingly well anyway. One down, 2 to go before I can finally set the body down.



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Posted 2018-12-16 12:42 PM (#575333 - in reply to #572778)
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Posted 2018-12-17 10:52 AM (#575384 - in reply to #572778)
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Clearly this car went to the right home, great start!
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Do you have any of this to deal with??





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Posted 2018-12-18 12:21 AM (#575415 - in reply to #572778)
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Thanks Roger. Dave, yes, of course I do. Even my California cars with very little rust have that issue. Those were designed very poorly. If you are repairing them, make sure you paint them in between the parts before you weld them together. Once condensation or other moisture gets in there, it's pretty much game over if they are bare metal contact...and of course they are the lowest point in the car so that's where any water will naturally go.

This is the second rear mount I am repairing. This one is much more involved, but I made a good start on it by making a repair panel for it from a '63 Nova door skin. It wasn't easy to make due to all of the compound curves on it and it isn't quite finished yet. I am going to cut the vertical bend very short so that it is barely above the bottom of it. Some of that edge needs a little more massaging as well to get it right. Once I cut the old one off, I can better see how it needs to be modified to get it right, and I will use it as a template to get the hole in the right spot too.



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Posted 2018-12-18 8:23 AM (#575424 - in reply to #572778)
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I made my pieces from scratch well.
If you remove the original in one piece by cutting/drilling the spot welds ad can line it with something,
Then fill the trough with plaster or cement.
When it sets remove the casting and use it as a base form for making a template to lay thin cardboard over it.
It will become obvious at this point where it needs to bend an lap back onto itself to make the tray.
Mark the cardboard where the bends need to be, allowing 3/4" or so for the lap joints front and rear
Cut out the cardboard to use as a paattern. You will find there is a slight difference between the lt and rt sides.

Then lay the pattern on a piece of new sheet metal, trace and cut.
I used a homade break for my press to do the bends, kind ofa PITA though, whatever you do.
I cranked out 8 or 9 pairs of these and sold them years ago, some went clear to New Zeeland!!

It was fun figuring it out,,,,,then…. and doing it!
But now it would just be work....and I'm retred!! insert smiley face (here)
I have a few more pic's somewhere
I was lucky to have OEM NOS rockers to work with.
You can see the rest of the sheet metal work on the car here

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Posted 2018-12-18 1:41 PM (#575438 - in reply to #572778)
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Nice job Dave. I hand made those things for my copper '57 Windsor as well. It wasn't very easy to do and I don't really want to do it again, but I need at least 2 more sets of them now. Jan in Sweden makes them, but it can be quite expensive to ship so I am not sure what I will do yet. I may just leave them alone! Heaven knows I've got plenty of other issues to deal with.

I got the disc brakes installed on the car. The long bottom bolt was a huge headache on both sides. They were totally seized in the steering arms. I had to cut them into 4 pieces and heat the remainder of the bolts red hot to eventually get them out of there. I broke my only 1/2" drive 5/8 socket trying to turn them with a breaker bar so I need to head to the tool store today. But it's done so all is good. Just need to bend the lines & install the power brake pedal assembly since the car originally came with manual brakes.



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Posted 2018-12-18 1:54 PM (#575441 - in reply to #572778)
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What are you gonna do for a MC?
Was it all a bolt on deal?
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Posted 2018-12-18 2:25 PM (#575445 - in reply to #572778)
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Yes, a bolt-on from Scarebird. It requires 15" wheels. With power brakes, I like to run a remote-fill master. I can no longer purchase the master shown on my car in the picture, so I will try to use one from a 1990 Mitsubishi FUSO truck that has a 1.125" bore size. It's a 4-bolt master like the Chrysler units, but the mounting holes have to be moved outward a little to make it work. I'm not sure yet how it will turn out, but I'm sure I can get it to work.



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Posted 2019-02-28 11:04 AM (#578706 - in reply to #572778)
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I purchased these air cleaners for the car from Smitty. They look like a complete basket case, so they should fit right in with the general theme of this car. But I figure that I can cut the spot welds, cut an appropriate sized hole into a new lid and spot weld it back onto them. That's the plan anyway.



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Posted 2019-02-28 11:29 AM (#578708 - in reply to #572778)
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Posted 2019-03-02 10:48 PM (#578799 - in reply to #572778)
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Thanks Billy. Hopefully this weather will let up a little so you can enjoy driving yours again.

I wasn't planning to work on this today, but it was raining most of the day so I spent my time working inside the garage instead of doing what I had planned. These air cleaners were reaching out to me with their tetanus fingers so I decided to do something with them. I pulled two new lids from my attic and marked them to cut a proper hole into them. The originals have a 4.25" hole. Then I rather sloppily cut them out with a plasma cutter and cleaned up the cut to my mark with a tungsten-carbide bur on a die grinder. The center pad smokes forever when you do this, but the rain eventually put it out so I didn't have to mess with it. I also spent quite a bit of time to straighten one tube out as it had been bent up quite a bit. I had to use a long bent punch that I made for a different application; but that was able to reach down inside them and pop out all the problem areas. I made a new tab out of 1/8" plate to replace the missing one on it. I bent the radius on the bottom of it by separating my vise jaws to create a gap and hammering a rod onto the tab, into the gap. It worked out quite well.

Rather than split all the spot welds for the flange that the lid welds to, I just cut a slot into it so that I could slip the lid over it. I'll weld up that slot before I spot weld them together....the problem is that I didn't own a spot welder and have never done it before. I didn't want to plug weld these so I went to Harbor Freight and bought a 240v version. I just need to practice with it and see how to do it before I try my hand with the real thing. Spot welding the tab may not work real well, so I may end up plug welding that one. We'll see.

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Posted 2019-03-19 12:38 PM (#579538 - in reply to #572778)
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The rust holes in the left wheel lip started to bug me every time I walked past them. So I decided to fix them so I don't have to look at them any longer. I fixed most of the inner wheel house issues, the top of the wheel lip and the upper front section of the lower lip. I still have to do the lower section along most of it, but that part is less visible. My subconscious feels much better now. We are expecting more rain so I had to epoxy prime it right away. There is a little dip in the lip right where the new quarter was welded on, so I need to weld that back in as well. Sometimes I don't see all the issues until it is all one uniform color.

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Posted 2019-03-19 4:05 PM (#579546 - in reply to #578706)
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Some great progress! Those air cleaners were a real mess, wow...
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Posted 2019-03-20 12:11 AM (#579570 - in reply to #572778)
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Thanks, they were worse than they look. I spent a couple of hours straightening them after separating the junk lids from them.
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Posted 2019-03-22 7:38 PM (#579726 - in reply to #572778)
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In order to replace the rear body mount on the right side, I needed to replace the trunk drop down first since they get welded together. And to do that, I needed to get the outer quarter squared away as well. So I cut the replacement quarter to fit up to the old quarter and get it ready to weld in the right spot before I replace the drop down. This way I can ensure that I get it in the right location when I put it back together. I also measured out the height and compared it with my other vehicles as it is easy to get it 1/4" off. Now I will bend up a new trunk drop down and weld that in place after I check the fit with the replacement quarter. I'm all out of Nova door skins so I'll cut up a '57 Windsor sedan rear door to use for it.




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Posted 2019-03-22 9:35 PM (#579730 - in reply to #572778)
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The drop down is out. Needs just a little patching and cleaning up before a new panel can go in. I am keeping the old one around to use as a pattern for the new panel.



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Posted 2019-03-23 6:55 AM (#579747 - in reply to #572778)
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Good work, keep it up and you'll soon cruise down the lane
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Posted 2019-04-06 11:09 PM (#580470 - in reply to #572778)
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Thanks Sven. This one is very needy, but I do enjoy working on it.

I finished fabricating the trunk drop-down for it. I had a couple of false starts with incorrect dimensions, but once I got it figured out, it came together pretty well. I just need to cut the holes into it so I can plug weld it back into the trunk pan. The white residue that you see is what remains of the thick bondo slathered on the Windsor door that I cut this panel from. I left the bottom flange extra wide so I can trim it to size once I get the outer panel welded to it. It would have been really nice to be able to purchase this part, but the crap that is available here is completely worthless. Comparing the two photos, the top portion doesn't look to be wide enough and it doesn't have the required taper in its width that the original has either. The angle & length of the front up-flange is all wrong, and doesn't include the tab for mounting the section to the wheelhouse. Who knows what they had in mind at the back-end of it. They included some artistic flair that has nothing to do with what is needed. And the bottom flange edge isn't straight. It has some weird kink in it for some stupid reason. He also bent the flange that welds to the trunk pan in the wrong direction! It was supposed to bend up, not down. What the heck?? Can we get someone who isn't completely blind and stupid to make parts for us instead? Until then, all we have is Dopey's workshop building us parts. If Real Steel Replacements were to make some good trunk drop downs, that would be a nice change, but I don't want to be the first one to try it out from him, so I made it myself.

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Posted 2019-04-09 1:15 AM (#580570 - in reply to #572778)
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I made up a template in Solidworks in case I need to make another one of these for a different car in the future. Starting with a good template makes the work go much easier. This is for the right side. In theory, you could just bend it the opposite way to get the left side, but the left has a rectangular hump in the middle of it for the spare tire to rest on, so it is a little different. The rear part of it needs to be split at the top of the bend to go upward a bit (see the part that I made above). Afterward, you need to add material to match up to it from the side as well. The numbers seem more accurate than they really are. They didn't come out as round numbers just because Solidworks takes into account the bend radius that I used, which was set at 0.1". But these numbers are just pretty close so you should check everything first before you make your bends. I hope it helps someone.

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Posted 2019-04-09 3:09 AM (#580577 - in reply to #572778)
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Thanks' a lot Nathan, this will help many guys to make those repair parts - really nice to have it made in Solidworks as well.

Hypothetically, with that file and a hard core sheetmetal company it would be possible to get those panels cut and bent directly from file.
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Posted 2019-04-11 9:10 AM (#580712 - in reply to #572778)
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Posted 2019-04-29 12:47 PM (#581508 - in reply to #572778)
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Thanks, I hope this pattern will help someone out.

I traveled to my in-laws over the weekend so I didn't get to work on my cars, but I stopped by my wife's great-uncle's place on the way. He has a large shop with a mill and he invited me to use it when I needed to. So I brought a bunch of Isuzu master cylinders with me and modified the mounts to work with the Chrysler 4-bolt pattern. I should have brought my own end mills as his were well-used high speed steel and I prefer to use tungsten-carbide, but I got it done. 5/16" or 11/32" would have been nice, but I settled for a 3/8" size that gave me a little more clearance than needed. My hands were very black with iron dust by the time I got done. Looks like it is going to work out well on there.



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Posted 2019-05-05 12:27 PM (#581811 - in reply to #572778)
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I welded the trunk drop down in, removed the rusty section of body mount and welded a patch into the rear of the trunk floor. I still need to clean up all the welds, I just ran out of time yesterday. The old body mount is really rusty, so it doesn't give me much to go on as far as using it as a pattern for the new one, but I was able to use it to get the new hole drilled in the right spot. I've decided to cut the section only on the bottom to preserve the original edge, but it means welding the whole thing upside down, which I hate doing. But I think it should be worth it (hopefully). I need to repair a section of the rear vertical part first, so that's next, after the clean up is done on these welds.



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Posted 2019-05-09 12:04 PM (#581972 - in reply to #581811)
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You are doing a GREAT job on this car, Nathan. It's a ton of work to bring one back, but I think this is a worthy cause.

I'd really like to get the two twins together someday!
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Posted 2019-05-09 1:10 PM (#581975 - in reply to #572778)
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I feel your pain, did you make your lower quarter panels?

I have some coming from real steel, I sent him my original Schotts so he could copy.
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Posted 2019-05-14 1:24 PM (#582141 - in reply to #572778)
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Thanks Danny, I appreciated the encouragement! I would like to get them together someday too, if for nothing else, but to see your great car in person.

Mike, I made the inner trunk drop downs, but I didn't make the outer quarter panels. That is beyond my skill level to do it properly. I purchased those from Lennart in Sweden. Well worth the cost. I probably should have purchased more of them because it's the shipping that hurts.

The panel looks better with the welds cleaned up and in a more uniform color. Once the primer drys, I will try to straighten out the crease & panel better before I weld the new body mount underneath it.



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Posted 2019-05-15 1:16 AM (#582160 - in reply to #572778)
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Good work Nathan , i done these a few times now and know how painful it is making the parts and then welding that terrible japanese spring steel these cars had to new steel is a pain . The top shape on the on that drop panel is a starange one to make as it geoes 2 ways and a paper pattern doesnt help much . Unless you make one you wont get it !
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Posted 2019-05-15 2:41 PM (#582169 - in reply to #572778)
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True, it is impossible for a home guy to complete the back portion without welding a separate piece into it. I decided to just add that separate piece after the drop down was welded to the body, but I should have did it separately so that it would be easier to clean up afterward. But it isn't impossible to do it on the car, just harder.
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Posted 2019-05-17 4:22 AM (#582221 - in reply to #572778)
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Yes totally agree. I bought a cheapy swaging machine and made a complete half trunk floor in a few hours for my 59 Fireflite coupe . So as you say these things are possible at home but the trunk floor in its entirity is quite a pain to do , especially if that back lower panel is gone .
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Posted 2019-05-17 1:22 PM (#582232 - in reply to #572778)
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I tack welded in the vertical section of the body mount that was rusted out. I bent a flange on the panel before I cut most of it off. That allowed me to still be able to give it the "S" bend shape that it required, and yet have a bend on the end of it that matched the edge of the rest of the panel. I'll have plenty of time to finish welding it tomorrow, but it's gonna be real fun cleaning up those welds in that pocket up there. But I do have a plan to get it done.



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Posted 2019-05-18 6:30 AM (#582250 - in reply to #572778)
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These type of sanders are the best for welds in tight spots (maybe buy a better one , but you get the idea) , They nip down welds quicker and better than a normal grinder with flap disk .

https://www.ebay.com/itm/3-8-Air-Belt-Sander-Machine-Sanding-Grindin...


You need a good compressor to keep the air to these air tools to keep the speed up . But they are safe in tight spots also ,so you wont have issue with hurting yourself unlike you can with a regular grinder
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Posted 2019-05-18 7:11 PM (#582267 - in reply to #572778)
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I've never thought of using something like that. Thanks for the tip! I'll give it a try.
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Posted 2019-05-19 8:57 PM (#582298 - in reply to #572778)
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Posted 2019-05-25 11:39 AM (#582513 - in reply to #572778)
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I was surprised to find that the parade green color on the inside of the windshield trim didn't match the brighter color underneath the outer trim. Instead it matches the more oxidized color. But I think that the brighter color was the original for the outside at least, and that's what I am going to paint it. The bright color will look better with the white highlights anyway. The roof of my 4dr parts car (parade green with white roof/sweep) also shows this brighter color under it's trim. Getting those trim clips off was not fun, but much easier with a hot wrench handy. I am going to replace that flat plate clip with one made from stainless, and all the screws here will be stainless too. I don't like outer screws rusting away like this.

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Posted 2019-05-25 11:48 AM (#582514 - in reply to #572778)
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The trunk lid of this 2dr car was replaced at some point, but inside the trunk shows how it was painted. It looks like it was originally gray inside, like my other car built in LA; but unlike that one, this one has a lot of body color over the top of the gray. Also the trunk lid of my Detroit-made 4dr parts car is a nice uniform shade of body color (parade green); whereas my LA built New Yorker just had a gray inner trunk lid.



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Posted 2019-05-27 11:49 PM (#582592 - in reply to #572778)
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Interior colours were always a different colour code Nathan and have flatting base generally . or off the gun finish . Also be careful with colours inside trunk lids and places you would think that have untouched paint as they've never seen the sun , as the heat still transfers through for years and can lighten the pigments and also especially with metallic greens and some other colours if they got a one shot bit of colour in one of these non important areas , the colour shade might be out as it may need multiple coats to bring out its true colour plus clear . I would get it mixed up to the original formula which is no problem as you are in the US .
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Posted 2019-07-03 1:28 PM (#584394 - in reply to #572778)
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This tire has no weight on it as you can see the jack stand under there. This is the 2nd newer tire to blow up on me just from sitting in the sun. The first was a Goodyear brand and this one is a Summit brand (not affiliated with Summit Racing). I hope these crap formulated rubber was something they no longer use because this is ridiculous.



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Posted 2019-07-03 3:27 PM (#584399 - in reply to #584394)
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You're not the only one. I have that often with tires that sit on concrete for an extended period and then are lifted up.
I'm speculating it has something to do with weight being isolated to a small area of the tire
I'm sure there's some engineers here that can explain it better.
This one sat for almost 10 years no problem then blew out less than an hour after jacking it up
I was underneath changing a u-joint at the time. Had to change pants afterwards



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Posted 2019-07-07 1:38 AM (#584510 - in reply to #572778)
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I finished the right rear body mount repair today. I'm pleased with how it turned out and it is now painted all inside that trunk seam as far as I could get it while the panel was removed. So hopefully it won't rust there as easily now. I got distracted by other projects and haven't had a lot of time to finish this, but I'm glad to be moving on to another part of the car now. Cleaning up the welds in tight spots was a lot easier with that new sander. Thanks for the tip James. Next I will be repairing the two middle body mounts. Hopefully it won't take as long as the rears. My immediate goal here is to be able to get the body back on the frame and mount the steering box so I can move the car when I need to. I will have to pause on it again though to rebuild the front end on my '58 Coronet since the control arm bushings self destructed...

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Posted 2019-08-04 5:14 PM (#585636 - in reply to #572778)
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I welded up the mid body mount on the right side of the car yesterday. Most of it was in pretty good shape. Just the end was rusted out so I decided to patch it instead of trying to replace it. The guy in Finland makes new floor supports, but only the front and rear supports. These mid mounts are a little different and he doesn't make a direct replacement for them. Unfortunately, on a '57-'58, these mid mounts are usually in the worst shape of all of them. I bent the end of it down to match well with the vertical part of it and I was able to weld most of that part from above. But the rest had to be done upside down. I probably won't be able to clean up the welds as much as I would like to because the frame is now in the way, but I'll do my best with it.



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Posted 2019-08-06 12:59 AM (#585680 - in reply to #572778)
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eh that got it... my braces were good, i was shocked, had to clean them up and rustproof though. that was a pita
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Posted 2019-08-07 12:46 AM (#585738 - in reply to #572778)
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Everything that I have to do upside down on the floors of these cars is a real pain, but without the space for a rotisserie, I gotta live with it. I got the welds cleaned up as well as I am going to do. It isn't perfect, but a future owner can put the body on a rotisserie to do a better job with it many years down the road if they so desire. But I think it turned out quite well for something that no one is really going to see. Not sure why I put the effort into it really, but couldn't just leave it like it was. It's amazing how much this fix strengthened the floors above. Much more solid now. That was the real motivation in doing it. Only 2 more to go on the left side of the car and I will be able to set the body down on the frame for good - while I own it at least.

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Posted 2019-08-13 6:51 AM (#585949 - in reply to #572778)
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Love your work as you obviously want to protect/preserve whats left to keep it as original as possible. I too use old steel from junk fenders, etc. Because 1rst, it is free,
2nd, because it is the correct gauge and very easy to work with, 3rd, I hate to throw things away that once required energy to fabricate and 4th,
I love the idea that the metal that goes into my project is "50s steel" too.

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Posted 2019-08-25 6:13 PM (#586554 - in reply to #572778)
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Thanks Sid, I do my best with it. Sometimes it comes out great, and sometimes I have to start over and try again. Yesterday was a start over again kind of day. I spent quite a bit of time bending a new patch for the left side middle body mount, welded it into place and cleaned up the welds. The repair went into the rounded recess portion of the mount because that was rusted out. It also included most of the downward turn (more than the picture shows - after tapping it with a hammer, it all fell out.) so it wasn't easy to make a patch that fit - let alone look decent. After getting it done, I hated it. It looked like something a giant would have blown out his nose. So I got my son to help me drag the 4dr hardtop floor I parted out to extract the mount from it. It will need to be repaired on the end because it is rusted a little, but not nearly as bad as the one on the car. Repairing it this way is going to be difficult because I will need to lift the body at least another 5 inches to get enough room to do it. But I may just cut the floor up from above and install it that way since the floor needs repair in this area anyway. I'll decide when I get closer to it.



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Posted 2019-08-27 1:02 PM (#586645 - in reply to #572778)
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The replacement part shown on the floorpan above was rather disappointing. Once cleaned up it proved to be quite rusty around the round body mount. But the inner, round, mount-like section is quite good. The flat section of this floor brace is tall on the outside, short in between and tall on the inside again. So I just have to turn it around to match the proper contour of the outer body mount and splice them together to make something that matches the original. This is the easy part, but removing the old one from the car & replacing it is going to be quite fun.



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Posted 2019-08-30 1:36 PM (#586791 - in reply to #572778)
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I finished splicing the body mount together and repairing the rusted corner on it. Cleaning up the repair on the corner was the hardest part because of the tight contours in that area, but it wasn't bad with a tungsten-carbide burr on a die grinder. The distance from the outer vertical part to the body mount is 4.5", but it is easy to get the angle a little off, so I had to hold it up the other spare original to get it in the right position. I think this turned out really well, and I feel a lot better about it than the repair I did on the car. This is going to look a lot better.



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Posted 2019-08-30 2:30 PM (#586794 - in reply to #586791)
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Some really nice work, Nathan!
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Posted 2020-02-26 2:58 PM (#594863 - in reply to #572778)
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Thanks Danny. I decided to swap frames yet again on this car. I have this '57 New Yorker frame that is in better shape than the '57 Windsor frame I put under the car. And the frame number on the New Yorker frame matches the motor number of the 392 that I'm putting into the car. Better shape, New Yorker (instead of Windsor), & matching motor number convinced me that I was using the wrong frame. I really didn't want to go to all the trouble to clean this one up, but I forced myself to do it. I didn't disassemble the suspension first as I want it to track straight without having to get an alignment on it, but I cleaned it up the best I could. I left any undercoating on it that wouldn't come off easily as well. Next I'll paint it black, swap the disc brakes onto it and put it under the car.



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Posted 2020-02-26 3:29 PM (#594866 - in reply to #594863)
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You swap frames like I swap underwear, LOL! I may be mistaken, but I think the Hemi cars got a few heavy-duty reinforcements over the Windsor/Saratogas.
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Posted 2020-02-26 6:13 PM (#594877 - in reply to #572778)
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If only I had the foresight, I would have waited until this one became available. As far as the differences, I haven't found anything physically different between them. They even use the same size sway bar & torsion bars, which I expected to be different between them. The 300 cars seem to be the only ones with stiffer bars.
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Posted 2020-02-27 4:20 PM (#594916 - in reply to #572778)
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Cleaning out the dirt and pebbles out of the frame. I lifted it to get gravity working in my favor, but I think I will use the engine puller to lift it even higher. I would have preferred to hang it over the side of a cliff, but I don't have air or water resources there. I'm using air first to dry blow it out of there, and then I will use a large volume of water and run it through. I've already removed quite a bit of the stuff, but hopefully I can get it pretty clean inside there.

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Posted 2020-02-27 7:28 PM (#594921 - in reply to #572778)
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Got the nose pointed up a little higher this way. Got quite a bit of dirt out of it with the air and then let the water run until it was clear. I had to plug all the holes before the up-turn first with an assortment of corks so the water would flow all the way to the back. I think it is mostly clean now. Probably not enough to eat your dinner off it, but enough to prevent rust from building. I blew it all out after washing to help dry it off. The hot sun should do the rest.



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Posted 2020-02-27 10:32 PM (#594933 - in reply to #572778)
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Posted 2020-02-27 11:11 PM (#594935 - in reply to #572778)
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Posted 2020-02-28 12:48 AM (#594941 - in reply to #572778)
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I wish I was too! My lot where I park most of my cars is next to his house. If I lived there, I could build a giant garage!
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Posted 2020-02-28 3:02 AM (#594942 - in reply to #594941)
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That`s a very good point Nathan..haha
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Nathan, you are a crazy guy with good helpful ideas. I wish to be a neighbor too, so than we could build a giant garage together for the craziest guys

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Posted 2020-02-28 11:19 AM (#594948 - in reply to #572778)
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Right on Tom! I think some of my neighbors do think I am suffering from some mental disorder.

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"Moparitis" is what your mental disorder is. I think we all have a bit of it and it is contagious.
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Posted 2020-03-01 11:54 AM (#595027 - in reply to #572778)
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Yes, for sure! I finished swapping the frames last night. I started around 4:30PM after playing with my Fireflite most of the day. I probably should have waited for another day, but I wanted to do it while I had my willing victim ... I mean my son, available to help me. It gave me a lot more trouble than the last time. I have the right side lower quarter cut up now so it isn't as strong as it was before. I knew that, but wanted to get it done anyway. That caused it to bend my new inner panel a bit, but I clamped it together to give it as much strength as I could. Fortunately, it is just flat metal at that point so it's easy to fix the bend that I created. But I needed to get the front part of the body higher than I had it to roll the front section of the frame under there. While lifting it, the body went sliding sideways and I almost lost it. But the middle sawhorse caught it to prevent it from crashing to the pavement. That wasn't a fun moment, so I decided to leave it where it was and just remove the drums & backing plates to make the frame sit lower. Now the car sits a little sideways on my driveway as a result, but it isn't bad, so I'll just leave it like that.

I set the body a little higher on the frame than before so I could work on that last body mount easier. The one side of the old frame is missing a wheel because all my other spare 15" wheels still don't clear the disc brakes for some reason. They must be older versions, made before disc brakes came out, so I rolled the frame around with only 3 wheels. The fun didn't seem to want to end last night, but I'm happy it's done.



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Posted 2020-03-02 3:16 AM (#595062 - in reply to #572778)
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Very interesting to watch the lifting stages when body and frame are moved. I have also had many exciting moments on my backyard where I lift off bodies with my little farm tractor with
front loader. I won`t lift anything unless I am abslolutely alone. People always want to advice and in a critical moment that is unbearable...
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Posted 2020-03-18 4:53 PM (#595727 - in reply to #572778)
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A little farm tractor would make it easier, I think. I thought about using my engine hoist to lift it, but it gets in the way and I don't thing it's stable enough for this.

I swapped the discs and all 4 shocks between frames and got the front end back onto it and moved the Windsor frame to my other lot. Today is a solid day without rain so I wanted to tackle getting the last body mount fixed on this so I could set the body down. The previous mid body mount that I had fixed on the driver side didn't look great, but it isn't as bad as I had first thought really, so I am thinking of leaving it as it is since I don't have a lot of time to redo it just for cosmetic reasons. Also, this last one needs gobs of work. so I would spend my time better by fixing it instead. So I cut the temporary rocker patch panel back off the car in the rear section and am now working on taking things apart so I can straighten & repair the inner rocker that is badly bent and rusted before I fix the floor above it, and the body mount itself.



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Posted 2020-03-20 12:24 AM (#595776 - in reply to #572778)
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I finished the first part of the repair today by replacing the vertical part of the inner rocker. I was able to straighten the old one, but it needed to be replaced because of the rust that was on it as well. After I had cut the new replacement floor brace from Finland to fit on the car, I found that it was narrower than the original one so it would leave an annoying step in it at the splice point. Also, the head of it is quite a bit smaller than the original one so if you compare from side to side on the car, it would look weird. For those reasons, I decided to repair the original one instead. So I am working on that now.



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Posted 2020-03-20 1:20 AM (#595778 - in reply to #595776)
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That`s some heroic work Nathan. I have also found that it easily leaves a step between the end of the reinforcement braces although they are homemade.
There is always some additional cutting and welding before it is about ok.
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Posted 2020-03-21 12:10 AM (#595813 - in reply to #595778)
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Thanks Ralf. I spent a good part of the day repairing this floor brace. I had to make it out of 3 sections because I didn't have a repair section that was long enough to do the whole thing, and the middle section is more rusty than the others so you can tell. Oh well. I had to do quite a bit of repair to the head of it to get it in acceptable condition, and tried to make it look as untouched as possible. I think I mostly succeeded. Tomorrow I will work on the rest of the inner rocker and possibly try to mount this brace in place. I am thinking of leaving the floor repair for later, and do it from above instead of from below. Sounds easier.



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Posted 2020-03-21 1:08 AM (#595814 - in reply to #572778)
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im actually kind of envious I like doing that work

I swear i should just do metal repair...
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Posted 2020-03-21 3:50 AM (#595816 - in reply to #595813)
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Looks absolutely good enough. The end where the brace meets the rocker is a bitch to make from scratch! That area of cars is often repaired horribly .
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Posted 2020-03-23 6:37 PM (#595936 - in reply to #572778)
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Mike, you are welcome to drop by my place and do gobs of metalwork to your heart's content! Thanks Ralf for the encouragement. This stuff is slow & tedious & can be discouraging if it doesn't come out as expected. But I'm pretty happy with it. I got it welded up onto the body on Saturday. I still need to clean up the welds on it. It took me much longer than I anticipated to get it in the right position. It wasn't simple doing it upside down, and having to push it up into place due to sagging or bending of the original panels. The procedure that I ended up with was to: 1. bend up the floor panels that were in the way. 2. Weld it to the rest of the brace as straight as possible even though this was hanging down too low. 3. Then push it up into place with the jack to the proper position. It seemed to work out well. I'll take a picture once I get it cleaned up.

My son was nice enough to help me with cleaning up the firewall as I am planning to rebuild the bottom end of the motor and install it in here soon. So I want to get the firewall painted before that happens. Under the heater box was an old mouse's nest and enough soil to plant a healthy victory garden in it. As a result, it rusted out the vent door quite badly, as well as a very small section of the lip where the box mounts. I'll weld that section up to fix it with a piece from the New Yorker parts car, but it's door vent is the A/C type so it won't work here. Fortunately, I still had the door vent from the Windsor sedan that I parted out that should make a nice replacement.



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Posted 2020-03-24 2:35 AM (#595947 - in reply to #595936)
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Nathan , I need a vent door pedal rubber BADLY. I noticed the one on the picture. It doesn`t happen to be available, does it?
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Posted 2020-03-24 4:04 AM (#595949 - in reply to #572778)
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Nathan,- now it pays off that you have so many cars on your yard. Please keep us updated and don't give up. Sometimes is frustrating to work with a bundle of rust, but on the other day it goes in the good direction.
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Posted 2020-03-24 11:54 AM (#595964 - in reply to #572778)
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Ralf, the rubber stays on the body, not on the door and the rubber on my New Yorker is rotted out. The rubber on my New Yorker parts car is missing, and the Windsor body is no longer here, so I don't even have a good one for myself either. Your best bet is to get one from Quirey Quality Design Co. that took over from Gary Goers. https://quirey-quality-design-co.business.site/ Or you may be able to make something custom from some other seal.

Thanks Tom. Yes, I'm glad I saved most of the parts from the cars I parted. The body parts that I did get rid of from the Windsor I ended up needing later for some other car so I regretted getting rid of any of it (except for it's roof which was garbage).
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Posted 2020-03-25 12:09 AM (#595984 - in reply to #572778)
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I cleaned up the welds on the floor brace tonight. I will drill the hole into it after I set it down on the frame. That way it will be perfectly positioned where it needs to be. I will make it a little smaller than the factory hole though so that it can be widened to perfectly center it on the brace at some later date. This section of the car is a whole lot stronger than it was before and I could set the body down on the frame now, but I want to wait until I get the inner rocker fixed before I do that. The inner rocker will make that section truly solid once it is welded in place.



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Posted 2020-03-26 12:33 AM (#596039 - in reply to #572778)
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My son and I got the firewall mostly cleaned up and welded all the problem spots. The welds came out looking great and I just had to sand blast the remainder of the small sections that I can't get to with a wire wheel. But unfortunately, it started to sprinkle rain on me, and it's going to rain most of the night. So I waited for a break in the rain, dried it off well and primed / sealed it all except the areas that need blasting. I will sand blast the remaining sections tomorrow and seal them after. I will blend the primer in with the next coat of more sandable primer so that doing it in sections won't cause any lines to appear.



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Posted 2020-03-28 12:29 AM (#596142 - in reply to #572778)
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This is an impressive amount of work, and impressive work. Good luck finishing this.

Were did you find the disc brakes? That is one modification I would seriously consider making to the car I'm buying once things are underway.

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Posted 2020-03-28 12:11 PM (#596149 - in reply to #572778)
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Nathan, you need to buy or build a rittiserie to make your work easier.
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Posted 2020-03-28 1:26 PM (#596153 - in reply to #572778)
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The disc brakes are from Scarebird. I've used them a lot and really like how well they stop these large cars. I would love a rotisserie. It would make my life so much easier. I'm not the type of person to care if the underside of the car is clean enough to eat your dinner off of, but there is no doubt a rotisserie would make these things much easier. I just don't have the space to do that. You can see where I am working from. I have to put things back together at least to a large degree to prevent getting into trouble. It's amazing my neighborhood lets me get away with what I do. My garage just can't hold all the laundry, tools, parts & motor rebuilding as well as a car that is too long to fit into it. When I move, I can get a more serious garage. But I don't let any of this stop me from making progress. You live with what you got until you can change it.

This car is a power steering, manual brake car. I prefer the power brake setup for a hemi car so I am swapping the pedal assembly out. The old one also has a broken bolt in it so now I don't have to remove it. First I removed the floor plate & steering column to give me room. Sounds easy, but none of the bolts on that floor plate would take their proper size to remove them. But they did come out with vice grips. Then the pedal assembly came out as easy as can be expected.....which is not that easy. Adding a brake switch to the new one while the pedal assembly is out of the car is a lot easier than doing it under the dash! I am missing one of the plastic bushings at the booster lever. Anyone know where to get replacements?

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Posted 2020-03-29 2:44 AM (#596182 - in reply to #596153)
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Maybe a pneumatic tube would be possible to make bushings from. They use to be polyuretane which might be good enough.
Im not sure what the size should be , maybe od 1/2" . Just a thought.

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Posted 2020-03-29 12:26 PM (#596193 - in reply to #572778)
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A funny thing happened yesterday. I knocked out a rust hole in the bottom of the rocker and started smacking it to knock the dirt out of there. After a while, it got plugged with something plastic. I pulled it out, and it was my other bushing for the power brake pedal assembly!! Problem solved! I had stored that assembly in the car for quite a while and the bushing must have come off at some point and rolled down into the rocker. Most of the time when small parts take off into never never land, you never see them again, but this time it re-appeared right when I noticed it was gone.

I sandblasted all the inner areas that I couldn't reach with the wire wheel. I had to clean sand out of everything for a while afterward. I didn't clean the lower part of the firewall because I would need to replace the floor later on, but I realized that most of what I see would not end up being replaced. So I fixed a couple of rust issues that were higher up, and sealed that section too. The broken bolt was in the upper part of the firewall, not at the brake pedal assembly (of course) so I drilled and tapped that back out as well and removed the old rusted vent door. Then I sprayed the firewall with a coating of more sandable primer. I am debating if I will finish this now and paint the top coat on here or do that much later. I'm not sure that purchasing paint is worth the risk of getting infected, and I am not currently employed so I don't have a lot of money. So I may leave it like this and put the motor in there now. It means I would have to pull the motor to do it later, but that may not be too much extra work. I'm still debating it....

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Posted 2020-03-31 3:01 PM (#596296 - in reply to #572778)
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I finished fabricating and welding in what I called the inner rocker. It is really an extension of the outer rocker as it goes underneath the quarter panel. This really strengthened up this area. I will now drill a drain hole into it and bend the front edge of it like the factory did. As you can see, the quarter panel needs quite a bit of hammer & dolly work before I can weld it up and finish it. I don't have time for that right now, so I am going to re-attach the temporary cover to it and leave the rest for another time. Setting the body back on the frame is my priority right now.



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I set the body back down on the frame for the first time since I've had it and mounted the rear bumper again. I had to round up a filler panel for it and straighten it because this car didn't include one. Looks weird now sitting at it's proper height. I kinda got used to seeing it jacked up. I also swapped in the power brake pedal assembly & mounted the steering box to the frame to for the first time. Feels good to finally be in control of the front wheels. In order to get the new brake pedal assembly lined up properly, I had to mount the brakes to it. So I went ahead and made up all the new lines for it while the motor is out and cleaned up the booster as well. I'm hoping the front line won't collide with the hemi valve cover too much. We'll see when I put the motor in there. Because all this has to come out again multiple times, I am not putting brake fluid into yet, but it's good to get it all fabricated now.



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Posted 2020-04-04 2:04 AM (#596420 - in reply to #596419)
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Looking good Nathan. Congrats.

Question: What did you paint the metal face of the power brake bellows with? It looks much better than what I did to mine.

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Posted 2020-04-04 2:28 AM (#596421 - in reply to #572778)
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Thanks Dave. It's a concoction of different paints. Starting with a silver base, gold is added before the silver is dry, the red is misted on 2 corners and light blue is misted on the other 2 corners. Then add mist of gold to blend it out. It fools your eyes into thinking it's a zinc plate. But only works from a distance. Looking closer, you can tell it is painted. The silver base helps to lighten up the gold color. It's too dark otherwise. The photo doesn't really capture it either. The bluish corners look a little lighter than the reddish corners, but that's about all you see on it.
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Posted 2020-04-04 9:46 AM (#596429 - in reply to #572778)
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whats the brake bushing look like? i think im missing mine now
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Posted 2020-04-04 10:44 AM (#596430 - in reply to #572778)
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There are two of them on either side of the pin at the end of the pedal, that rides on the long booster tangs. They are a white, almost clear plastic bushing like these. You can see one of them at the top of the pedal in my pedal picture above.



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Posted 2020-04-05 2:10 AM (#596450 - in reply to #596430)
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There are two of them on either side of the pin at the end of the pedal, that rides on the long booster tangs. They are a white, almost clear plastic bushing like these. You can see one of them at the top of the pedal in my pedal picture above.


Those parts look ideal for 3-D printing, assuming an acceptable material can be found. I've played a little with 3-D printing and design, and I know they're developing new stuff every day for it. I wouldn't be surprised if some kind of nylon-based/nylon-like material was in the works.

For little odds and ends like that, I think additive manufacturing offers a lot of promise, and reduced costs in restoration over the long run.

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Posted 2020-04-08 3:13 PM (#596589 - in reply to #572778)
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Those bushings are so simple though, that I think they would be cheaper to make on a lathe than to do in 3D, and the quality would be better that way too.

I'm installing the engine from the '57 New Yorker parts car that matches the frame number for this car. I was able to get it to spin freely, and the bottom end of the motor would probably run fine without touching it, but since it is mostly apart and in my garage, I decided to replace the pistons with higher compression '58 versions. I'll also put in a new cam that is ground to '58 300D specs that I'll run with solid lifters. I'll replace the rings, cam, timing chain, lifters, bearings, do a valve job with new valve springs and gaskets too of course. Basically do a complete rebuild, except keep the stock bore since it has little wear on it. I'll just prep the surface with a ball hone before it goes back together. Hopefully, the crank is within spec so I don't have to grind it down either.

You can see the difference between the stock '58 piston on the left and the '57 version in the motor. The higher compression height is visible from the top of the piston.

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Posted 2020-04-08 7:26 PM (#596596 - in reply to #596421)
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Thanks Dave. It's a concoction of different paints. Starting with a silver base, gold is added before the silver is dry, the red is misted on 2 corners and light blue is misted on the other 2 corners. Then add mist of gold to blend it out. It fools your eyes into thinking it's a zinc plate. But only works from a distance. Looking closer, you can tell it is painted. The silver base helps to lighten up the gold color. It's too dark otherwise. The photo doesn't really capture it either. The bluish corners look a little lighter than the reddish corners, but that's about all you see on it.


I was planning to fake the cadmium plating look using metallic gold, green and some orange but I had issues with the gold so I stopped. I might strip it all off (chemically) and start over with a silver base like you did.

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Posted 2020-04-08 8:29 PM (#596602 - in reply to #572778)
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I bet if you take what you have and dull it up with a *soft* scotchbrite pad, it would look pretty good.

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Posted 2020-04-08 11:25 PM (#596612 - in reply to #596602)
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Powerflite - 2020-04-08 5:29 PM

I bet if you take what you have and dull it up with a *soft* scotchbrite pad, it would look pretty good.


Soft as in "well used" ??? I'll give it go. Easier than the alternatives.

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Posted 2020-04-12 10:16 PM (#596745 - in reply to #572778)
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I went with the higher compression '58 pistons in my '57 354 poly as well. It was neat to see the height difference.
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Posted 2020-04-12 10:55 PM (#596748 - in reply to #596745)
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Do you have a picture of them that you can share? I would like to see them.
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Posted 2020-04-24 4:07 PM (#597294 - in reply to #572778)
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I guess it was a good thing that I decided to tear this engine apart. One of the piston's rings were jammed with gunk for some reason. All the others were fine, and this didn't cause any issue that I can see with the cylinder wall. I wonder if this would have freed itself up eventually or not. But it sure would have caused some massive blow-by in the meantime. Next, I'll spec out the crank & original cam to compare it to the 300D cam that I have for it.



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Posted 2020-04-24 9:28 PM (#597310 - in reply to #572778)
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Apparently, the label on my new cam is false. The valve lift on it measures out as a stock New Yorker cam, not a 300D. Here are the numbers for comparison in the table below. I think the cam that I pulled out of the motor shows .01" smaller lift just because it is a little worn. I didn't really want to have to purchase a new cam for this motor, but I didn't want to run a stock New Yorker cam either. So I'll probably purchase the 270 cam from Hot Heads, the same specs as what I put into the 331 in my Savoy. I'm thinking that the stock converter should be OK with it since this motor will have 10:1 compression. The other option is to install a roller cam, but I don't feel very rich right now.



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Posted 2020-04-26 3:49 AM (#597342 - in reply to #572778)
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I cleaned up the block ready for new paint and ran a fine grit ball flex hone through the bores just enough to fully scuff the shine to allow the new rings to seat. Swapped the '58 pistons onto the rods with new rings after replacing the piston pins. The old ones looked marginal. I also measured the difference in deck height between the two pistons. I am hoping to get the crank back into it soon, but I'll have to wait for parts to arrive before I can get very far.



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Posted 2020-05-13 1:40 AM (#598171 - in reply to #572778)
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A correction to the picture above: After measuring more carefully, the difference is closer to .070" in height. I expected the cam bearings to be in good shape so I wasn't planning to replace them. But I found that the last 2 toward the rear were in unacceptable condition to just reuse. I decided to replace the bearings myself for the first time, so I ordered them from Hot Heads and an installation tool from the Car Shop. The tool comes with an extra die which is needed to work with big block Mopar cam bearings. I received the parts today so I can get moving on the rebuild again. Hopefully I don't screw it up. But I find I prefer to do things myself than to rely on some minimum wage guy in a shop; and the money I save the first time usually pays for the tool.



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Posted 2020-05-13 5:08 AM (#598179 - in reply to #572778)
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I think you are smart to do the job yourself. You will make sure things are right. Just make sure to line the holes up right when you install the cam bearings; don't do it like my mechanic did.

I wish my block would have looked as good as yours after my mechanic cleaned it. Yours Looks great.

I'm sure you will get the cam bearings installed perfectly. And then you won't have to worry about it. I watched YouTube videos and you have a much higher end tool than they were using.
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Posted 2020-05-17 12:00 PM (#598393 - in reply to #572778)
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Thanks Sam. I love using good quality tools. This thing worked really well for the 4 front bearings that it fit. I'll have to machine up a die for the rear bearing if I get tired of carrying my junk camshaft around. With the motor upside down, I stuck a long skinny screw driver up the water ports and knocked out as much rust as I could. Then blew it out of there. Got quite a bit of it out, so that makes me feel better. I replaced all the cam bearings and installed the new Isky cam, and it went in perfectly. I went to put in the crank, but realized that all the rear seals I have are for the 354 or 331. Too small for the 392. So I ordered a couple of them and have to wait for them to arrive now. I really need to do a better assesment of what I have so I dont have to wait around so much for more parts. Oh well, in the meantime, I can work on making a baffle for the oil pan.
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Posted 2020-05-18 12:20 PM (#598433 - in reply to #572778)
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Your engine being so clean will really make a difference on how well it runs and cools. It's going to be great.

I know what you mean about the seals. They say "plan the work and work the plan" but for me, a good project is when I only have to go to Home Depot 8 times or less. Sometimes the pause it takes to get another part gives you time to think things out better and helps you get a better job done.

It is going to run great and you and going to know exactly what is in it. That's going to be fun.
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Posted 2020-05-19 3:22 PM (#598483 - in reply to #572778)
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Thanks Sam, yeah it would be even better if I could hot tank the block to remove everything out of the jackets, but at least I feel like I got the majority of it. I will also flush it out once I get the heads on it.
The rear seal on the 392 is pretty screwy. The seal used here isn't even made for this motor but adapted from some other application. Not sure what, maybe a 360? Anyway, it requires that this shim is placed underneath it to reduce the diameter and make it seat well. I don't trust this not to leak from underneath the seal so I clean out the groove really well with acetone, using cotton swabs, and apply high temp RTV between everything before it gets all buttoned up with the crank & main cap installed.



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Posted 2020-05-19 4:37 PM (#598494 - in reply to #598483)
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The shim was something new to me..I would absolutely put rtv silicone on both sides of it...
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Posted 2020-05-20 1:14 AM (#598530 - in reply to #572778)
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i remember installing that rear main... yeah i needed to put sealant on the ends... was weird but i followed directions.
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Posted 2020-05-24 12:55 PM (#598726 - in reply to #572778)
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I got the short block together yesterday. Coming along nicely. It seems like it wouldn't take much time to put these together based on how easy it is to take them apart, but it always take much longer than I expect. The original timing chain from this motor is the only original one I have seen that was still really tight, so I could have reused it, but I decided to replace it instead. I also included a picture of the piston compression height for reference. I have a set of heads that were used for racing. They have aftermarket springs installed into them so I am thinking I will take them to the machine shop to measure how much spring pressure they apply to see if I can use them as-is, since they have almost no miles on them. Eventually I will put aluminum heads on this motor, but I don't have enough money to do that now so a set of iron heads will do until then.



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Posted 2020-05-24 2:02 PM (#598733 - in reply to #598726)
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Looks great! Is that a SA-Gear timing sprocket, that has a slot instead of a bore for the camshaft pin?
If so, have you deburred the slot? It looks like one.

Just bought a timing set from that company and was shocked that the chain was NOT made in the US and that the sprocket, that they proudly advertise as "Made in the USA", slot wasn't deburred. If I had it installed that way it would have caused severe axial run out and premature wear.

Ok, looks like the 392 cams do not have a pin like the big blocks, so nothing to worry about.

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Posted 2020-05-24 5:27 PM (#598738 - in reply to #572778)
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Thanks, the timing chain set is a Summit Racing brand, but it could have been made by SA. You're right that the hemi uses square keys in the cam & crank so it requires square slots. I didn't notice any burs on it, but I will look over it again, just in case.
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Posted 2020-05-25 7:52 PM (#598794 - in reply to #572778)
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I made a baffle for the oil pan. I didn't make it extend as far forward as the last time I made one, as I think it was a little overkill. But I kept the holes in the corners of it to allow the oil to flow from the back end.



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Posted 2020-05-27 4:28 PM (#598844 - in reply to #572778)
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It's coming along now. This is the first time I have used the chrome dipstick from Hot Heads as my original was long gone. That thing sure fits tight in there! I'm ready to bolt the heads on, but they aren't ready yet so they may hold me up for a while. I'm thinking of trying out the old metal head gaskets on it as I have gobs of them. I'll paint the exhaust manifolds and go through the power steering pump until the heads are ready. But I have decided to paint the firewall now, before I put this engine in the car. So I'll take some time off work to go buy some paint in the next couple of days. Time to decide on the exact shade of Parade Green I am looking for.



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Posted 2020-05-27 4:59 PM (#598846 - in reply to #598794)
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Powerflite - 2020-05-25 7:52 PM

I made a baffle for the oil pan. I didn't make it extend as far forward as the last time I made one, as I think it was a little overkill. But I kept the holes in the corners of it to allow the oil to flow from the back end.


Nice! Consider adding another baffle. I always add a de- and acceleration baffle, along with a windage tray of course.
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Posted 2020-06-06 2:07 PM (#599334 - in reply to #572778)
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I finally got around to spot welding the replacement lids on these 300C air cleaners. I was going to bend my own tongs to create the needed clearance, but it was such a pain to do without the right equipment, that I decided just to purchase them from Ebay. The spot welds came out really good on the lid as well as on the replacement lid mount that it needed. Unfortunately, in the meantime, I lost the little bracket that I made for one of them. Hopefully it'll show up, and when it does, I can weld it on there. Otherwise, I'll have to make another one. Now I just need to fill in the small slot I made to be able to assemble them.



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Posted 2020-06-07 3:23 AM (#599362 - in reply to #572778)
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I got the slots welded up and dressed, and got the air cleaners cleaned up. Once the old paint came off, I noticed the "TOP" stamp at the top of the lids looking back at me. I realized that those were useful when these parts were used as lids, but not now. So I welded them in and ground them back down to get rid of them. It would have been a lot easier to just use some bondo on them to cover them up, but this wasn't too hard either. These also have a drain hole in them that the 300C cleaners didn't use, but those don't bother me as they are at the bottom and completely unnoticeable when installed.

I also cleaned up the lids and large chunks of rust came off of one of them, revealing a lid that is holier than the Pope. I tried cutting the middle section out and welding it to a new outer, but the thing warped horribly due to how thin this metal is. I think I can eventually make it work, but it will take time. I do have a couple of extra lids so I will just use those, but I had other plans for them so I will want to make this replacement work at some point.



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I purchased a set of '55 Windsor spinner hubcaps for this car. I am thinking of painting the centers either black or Parade Green and using the '56 New Yorker centers in them. A pretty good looking option for 15" wheels I think. I may start with the ribbed '55 hubcaps instead. Not sure which I like better yet.



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Posted 2020-06-20 11:52 AM (#599902 - in reply to #572778)
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I purchased the blue/green metallic single stage paint for this car yesterday so I can paint the firewall before the engine goes in. I also converted my white paint to an appropriate shade of off-white. After I got it home, the paint is close, but just a little too blue. Looks like I'll have to purchase a quart of yellow to adjust it to my liking. I may mix in a bit of white to lighten it up as well. This paint was quite expensive because of the amount of pearl that is included in it. I'm hoping I can get the whole car done with a single gallon. Since the inside of the trunk will be gray and the roof is white, I think I should be alright.

I also dropped off the heads to get the spring pressure tested. He left a message and said they were 250 lbs! I had to call him back to clarify. He said his machine could barely remove them, they were so strong. Must have been set up for an old blower motor. Looks like I won't be using those afterall. I'm thinking of building a set of 331 heads for it to bump the compression up to a true 10.4:1 instead.



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I really like that color as is, but it will look great a bit greener too.

There is no way a gallon of paint will cover the entire car. Even if you skip under hood, door jambs, trunk, dash, etc it still won't come close. Two gallons would be an absolute minimum, and that's for a color with good coverage. Pearlescent paint tends to be more translucent and is affected by the underlying base. Plus you need enough material to be able to rub it out and polish without going through. I would buy two gallons and be prepared to need a third, and maybe more than that.
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You may be right, but I don't believe that you would rub & polish a single stage paint. I believe you would typically just spray & leave it as long as you don't have runs or other issues.
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