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Location: San Antonio, TX | Bought a 58 Imperial. It's a base model 4 dr hdtp. However it's probably one the more highly optioned ones ever built.
Pwr seat, Pwr windows, Deluxe dual A/C, Auto-Pilot, Clock, Rear Shelf Speaker, Left remote mirror, optional hood ornament, Electro-touch radio w/pwr antenna, shaded backlight. That's all on the data tag. Also code 406... not sure what that is.
Runs and drives (yard drives, no brakes). Rough but not a lot of rust. I'll post some pictures when I get it cleaned up some. It's filthy. |
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Location: DFW, TX | Hey Dave, congrats! Sounds like a cool car. Let's see some pics! 
406 = Accessory Package A (vanity mirror + day/night dash mounted rearview mirror + license plate frame) |
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Location: San Antonio, TX | Haven't done a whole lot since getting it. Got some brakes. Replaced the busted passenger window. Now this surprised me... a lot. Just for grins I decided to see about the A/C. So I hooked up a vacuum and evacuated for about an hour. Shut off the pump and it held solid. Added a couple of cans of 134a and it actually works. I have no idea when it last did. Blows cold from the back and front. Amazing. What will be truly amazing is if it still does tomorrow. I won't be surprised if it leaks like a sieve. |
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Location: San Antonio, TX | Yeah this will keep me busy for a bit. So far every thing I've tried works except the emergency brake and the dimmer switch. 392 starts right up every time and runs smooth and quiet. I need to do a compression test still. I haven't driven it on the road so I don't know if the Auto-Pilot does in fact work.
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Location: The Bat Cave, Fairborn, OH | Looks like a really solid car from the pictures you've posted. Congrats on a decent score. I'm surprised that the A/C held a charge of R-134a refrigerant and managed to actually work (for awhile). That was definitely an R-12 set-up and has the wrong o-rings and stuff to keep a 134a charge in.Still, it is encouraging to know the A/C can be made to work. |
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Location: Pau, S-W France | On my 57 when i restored it i put also R134 ( 15 years ago ?) but i removed the mineral oil compressor and put the correct oil (synthetic). The A/C blows cold but after one or two years a leak appeared at the sight glass and since i haven't replaced it. if I put back into operation today i 'll charge the system with Duracool, that's what i did in the '70 Ford, that works great (and with original oil). |
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Location: Kansas City, KS | That is a uniquely optioned Base model! Electric door locks and rear defogger are the only options I see missing.
On your dimmer switch, check your bulbs first. I've had them burned out more often than the switch.
Looks like a very solid body too, you did good getting this one. I can't wait to see more updates! |
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Location: San Antonio, TX | Yeah the body is very solid. There is some rust on the drivers floor not bad... 2 inch hole. Other than that really nice. I've got all the trim including the option hood ornament.
My sedan parts car has the pwr door locks... have to check and see if it has the rear defogger. Maybe I use them to give the 4dr hdtp an upgrade.
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Location: Pau, S-W France | If you have dual A/C you can't have the rear defoger |
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Location: San Antonio, TX | Why is that? Compatibility issue or clearance? It looks like one could fit there. It does however look like there is no clearance for the rear speaker in the center hole. The side speaker holes are used for the A/C diffusers.
Different issue. Does anyone know of a source for the woven mat that goes on the package shelf? |
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Location: Kansas City, KS | Phil is right. Rear defogger would go in the same place as the large intake vent on dual A/C so it's an either or option same as the instant heat and A/C.
I got the defogger confused with rear center speaker which is possible with dual A/C
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Location: San Antonio, TX | Ok, I guess I'm confused or just not getting it. I always thought this was the slot for the rear defogger. I see woven part of your's is like mine... touch it and it's dust
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Location: Kansas City, KS | That is the slot for rear defogger. The interference would be top side trim of each. Plus, it would be counter-productive to have both as the rear a/c could defog the window if needed.
Yes, my woven mat is dust and that's on a car that's been garaged almost entirely since new. I never looked for a replacement source. |
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Location: Grenoble - France | And don't lose that parking brake release knob and light, that's 1 year only, and specific to the cars that came with Autopilot. |
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Location: San Antonio, TX | Thanks. I'll definitely keep track of them during the restoration.
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Location: San Antonio, TX | Floors, rockers and trunk solid with the exception of the drivers floor. A little work to do there but minor. Whew.
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Location: Kansas City, KS | Nice metal! You still have that 1in black filler strip between the trunk extension and the quarter panel too |
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Location: San Antonio, TX | Almost done with the toilet seat. Bit more sanding yet. Hood is next
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Location: San Antonio, TX | Deck lid had a few dings which needed some work. Hood was essentially perfect.
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The Flitesweep rear deck lid is optional equipment too… it should have code 365 on the data tag… |
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Location: San Antonio, TX | Yes, you are correct.
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Thanks for posting the picture.
Where did you see a code 406, as you stated above?
I think originally your A/C is single unit (because code 341), and not 342 as dual unit has
I see also code 307 that mean Power Door Locks
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I guess if your car would be equipped with «Mirror Package A» - the code 406 would be here…
Just on the left of ?olumn code 467 – Solex Tinted Glass with Shaded Windshield
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Location: San Antonio, TX | Oops. I might have posted the wrong tag. I'll check |
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Location: San Antonio, TX | Sorry about that. I had the tag from my sedan posted. The correct one is up there now. |
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614 = Imperial Custom Southampton 4door Hardtop
SCDL 0707 = Scheduled on July 07, 1958
ITM 351 = 51th car built that day
PNT XXX = Paint Ermine (originally White)
TRM 054 = Blue Diamond Glow Jacquard Cloth and Blue Vinyl
304 = Power Windows
303 = Power Seat 6 Way
365 = Flitesweep Rear Deck Lid
408 = Hood Ornament
342 = Heater and Air Conditioning – Dual Unit
402 = Left Outside Rear View Mirror with Remote Control (instead Conventional Mirror 401 below)
406 = Mirror Package «A» including: 401 = Left Outside Rear View Mirror, 404 = Prismatic Tilt Type Mirror, 405 = Visor Vanity Mirror
469 = Solex Tinted Glass and Large Shaded Rear Window
SRL 16759 = Serial Number LY1*16759
445 = Electro Touch Tuner Radio (including Power Antenna on Imperials)
You told that your car equipped with Rear Shelf Speaker option (code 327), but if you take a closer look it is not a code 327 – it is code F7.
Unfortunately I don’t have any info about it and about code C1 as well.
Can you post the picture of broadcast sheet? (Of course if you have it); It might be clear the situation…
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This is ’58 Chrysler New Yorker 4door Hardtop (body code 554)
For confirming the code 327 actually looks like this:
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Forgot to say (if you interested) – this 32x column might to mean also:
321 = Convertible Top Color – Black
322 = Convertible Top Color – Ivory
323 = Convertible Top Color – Blue
324 = Convertible Top Color – Green
327 = Rear Seat Speaker (Convertibles or Wagons could not have this option)
328 = Locked Luggage Compartment for Station Wagons
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Location: San Antonio, TX | No sheet unfortunately.
It does have auto-pilot. Shouldn't that be 397?
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It makes sense. Build sheet would confirm it anyway.
Have you any thoughts about C1?
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Found Crown Sedan (body code 633) data tag with C2 option…
Could it be a «Market»?
611 = Domestic Market
612 = Export Market
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Location: San Antonio, TX | Not sure what C1 stands for.
Here's a question. My dash has two blower switch knobs. The second one is left of the wheel where the antenna knob is on my sedan. I'm guessing the antenna gets activated with the radio on/off switch. I'll find out when I go through the wiring I suppose.
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Location: Kansas City, KS | frwl - 2020-06-19 3:52 PM
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Found Crown Sedan (body code 633) data tag with C2 option…
Could it be a «Market»?
611 = Domestic Market
612 = Export Market
That's actually the trim tag of one of my 58's
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Location: Grenoble - France | KcImperial - 2020-06-20 7:31 AM
That's actually the trim tag of one of my 58's
Don't know if anyone has figured out the C1/C2 code
I haven't. Mine was "none" despite being an export. Not all have C1 or C2 (many have nothing under the letters).
I have tags showing: A0, A9, C1, C2, F7. |
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I guess the letter «A» means optional rear axle ratio (A0 = 550 = 3,15 to 1 and A9 = 559)
Maybe the letter «C» means optional generator or something else…
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Location: San Antonio, TX | Third and hopefully final block sanding. Should be ready to shoot the Ermine base coat later this week.
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Location: San Antonio, TX | Hood, decklid, fenders (inner and outer) and a few other bits done. I used the Eastwood Dead Rat Flat Black for the blackout areas. I think it's a good match and I like the name. Doors next.
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Location: DFW, TX | Yes sir, "Finest Expression of the Forward Look" indeed! Nice job, Dave! |
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Location: San Antonio, TX | This is the color for the roof. Just the forward section. The back of the roof will be white. This car came with the blue interior. I'll be restoring it to that.
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Location: Ramona, CA | Did you find a source for the woven rear deck mat? I've been looking for material for my 300F. The original is woven paper and even Gary Goers was not able to source a correct replacement. I've been looking at woven wallpapers and will probably use something like that and paint it black.
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Location: San Antonio, TX | This woven tablecloth is really close to the original weave. Obviously would need to be painted. I bought color-matched blue to do the interior parts.
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Location: San Antonio, TX | I do have the correct color matched blue. I'm just not ready to mix some up yet. So grabbed a rattle can just to see how it takes paint. Seems fine. The weave is a little bigger than factory. I think it's in character of the original and it meets my needs.
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Location: Ramona, CA | Looks like a great choice. At least it's part of the car that would be easy to update if something better comes along.
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Location: San Antonio, TX | These are the special brackets for the autopilot and sideways mounted Vacuum can. It doesn't look like they were painted for the original installation. Because of the corrosion I don't think I'll want to go with that. I'll need to treat fill and paint. So black like the can? Or white like the body?
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Location: Kansas City, KS | With it being an accessory item, I think it would look better/more appropriate painted black
Cool to see those brackets and the whole Auto-Pilot is such a fascinating option but...
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Location: San Antonio, TX | Haha. You are so right. I've got the brakes working and good shape. Putting the master cylinder cap on and getting that bolt on and tight is only possible if you have experience as a sideshow contortionist. |
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Location: San Antonio, TX | Yesterday was just one of those days. I ended up having to take the dash out. I was hoping to avoid that but decided that it needed to be done. There had been some wiring issues in the past and some iffy repairs. So I just decided to bite the bullet. Not really what I would term a fun job. After I got it out I was pretty much annoyed and pissed off. Had to walk away. So today I got a nice surprise. This was inside the dash. Yep, no kidding. All I can figure is it fell off and they stuck it up on the dash and somehow it fell in? Not really sure, but happy to have it.
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Location: Kansas City, KS | pulling the dash and iffy wiring repairs?? how bad could that be? (sorry, I feel your pain)
that emblem is a huge bonus!!
while the dash is out, you might want to double check the wires and function of the neutral start and reverse light switch on the back of the push buttons. I had to solder some connections on mine.
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Location: San Antonio, TX | I'm sure a cellphone picture would work. They have gotten to be pretty hi-res now.
As far as pulling the dash it depends how far you want to go. Since I'm painting this car the windshield is out. I also pulled the steering wheel and dropped the column. Made life easier that way. |
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Location: San Antonio, TX | Not perfect, but meets my needs.
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Location: Kansas City, KS | Very nice horn pad! Those are hard to find without major shrinkage at the ends or cracked down the middle of the vinyl.
Saw an Instagram post of someone starting to reproduce the horn pads in the Scandinavian region, never heard if they finalized them
Bonus fact for fun - 57-59 Imperials all had their own, year specific designs for horn pads |
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Location: San Antonio, TX | I used flex agent in the blue paint. Seems to work. Hopefully stand up over time. |
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Location: San Antonio, TX | Glovebox restored
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Location: San Antonio, TX | Thanks. Mostly just cleaned and polished. Gold enamel mixed with clear coat over polished crown. Took my best pad and sprayed with base coat paint with flex agent added. Then SEM matte clear coat. Then treated with Eastwood vinyl treatment. |
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Location: San Antonio, TX | Clean and polish. Lot's of shiny bits on an Imperial
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Location: San Antonio, TX | Finally. After many delays I'm finally getting to sand and paint the body.
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Location: Central Texas | Macedon, you have a rare Custom Imperial for sure. Manual windows, Auto Pilot and rear air conditioning. I have a 58 Custom Imperial. I haven't yet taken the door panels off to adjust the handle linkage in fear breaking something irreplaceable. By comparison, I've got a hangnail and you've gone Doctor Frankenstein. Good luck. |
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Location: San Antonio, TX | Few spots of filler over some old whiskey dents. Not bad really.
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Location: Southern Sweden - Sturkö island | It's coming along just fine Dave, keep up the good work and keep us posted. |
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Location: San Antonio, TX | Bodywork is done. Two coats of primer and block sanding. Another coat of primer today. Hope to shoot color later next week.
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Location: San Antonio, TX | Now all I have to do is put it back together. Hah, yeah... that's all.
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Location: San Antonio, TX | The trim ring for the Imperial Flitesweep decklid didn't hold up well since water collected at the bottom. Most of them are pretty ate up with corrosion and pitting. So until I find a nice one this will have to do. I had a broken one and the one that came with this car. Stitched them together. I think it looks presentable.
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Location: Pau, S-W France | Do you have the small clear plastic hose which is connected to a tiny hole at the bottom of the hollow under the ring ? This hose (maybe 30 cm long ?) runs on the underside of the deck lid and emerges under the trunk handle ! I saw that on a '58 Crown and I was very amazed
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Location: DFW, TX | This car is a work of art. Great job, Dave!
(the idea to butt two half-good Flitesweep sections together was pure genius, btw)
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impr.JPG (82KB - 120 downloads)
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Location: WHEELING,WV.>>>HOME OF WWVA | beautiful work ----------------------------------later |
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Location: San Antonio, TX | Mudflap restore. I'm sure the correct name is a more elegant Imperial worthy name, but I always just called it the mudflap.
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mudflap1.JPG (182KB - 59 downloads)
mudflap2.JPG (59KB - 62 downloads)
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Location: San Antonio, TX | Installed
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flap2.JPG (74KB - 61 downloads)
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