1960 Plymouth 9 passenger wagon
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Posted 2019-12-27 11:10 PM (#592117)
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Bought this on the 23rd, came home today. Really excited about this car, but one of the other Plymouths will have to go. Currently in storage at my dad's shop, more to come!



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Posted 2019-12-28 4:02 PM (#592140 - in reply to #592117)
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I would love one myself

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Posted 2019-12-29 12:07 PM (#592179 - in reply to #592140)
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Jon has gone off the DEEP end. Now your gonna have to fill it with more Chill-rens
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Posted 2019-12-29 1:53 PM (#592191 - in reply to #592117)
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Cool! Merry Christmas to you! What engine does she have? Is that little scoop an indication of something big? What are your plans
for her?

I've always loved the 61 Plymouths the most, but I've really grown fond of my '60 Plymouth wagon, something about those fins!
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Posted 2019-12-29 7:32 PM (#592217 - in reply to #592191)
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I here its going to get a LS swap.

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jboymechanic
Posted 2019-12-31 12:45 AM (#592272 - in reply to #592117)
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No engine in the car, someone made a very poor attempt to install a smog era short deck Oldsmobile 350 in it. Motor came out as part of the price negotiation. Hood scoop is from a late 1950s to early 1960s Ford Super Duty truck (F-700 or larger) as identified correctly by my dad.

Looking to install a 1973 440 in this car, gathering parts. Looking for a driver side exhaust manifold from a 413. I have the passenger side manifold and 413 engine mounts.
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jboymechanic
Posted 2020-01-01 9:20 PM (#592364 - in reply to #592272)
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Here are some more parts showing the car's general condition, which I think is pretty good. Can anyone help with the data tag?



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Posted 2020-01-01 9:26 PM (#592366 - in reply to #592364)
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Based on the oil change labels in the driver door jamb and the mileage on the odometer, the car was parked around 1976.



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Posted 2020-01-01 9:30 PM (#592367 - in reply to #592366)
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Here is what happened under the hood. Pretty much everything is still there other than some additional brackets being welded to the original motor mount pads and the center link being cut up.



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Posted 2020-01-01 9:34 PM (#592368 - in reply to #592367)
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Here are a couple more shots of the interior. Going to let it air out and do some serious cleaning.



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Posted 2020-01-02 5:40 PM (#592396 - in reply to #592117)
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Nice! She does appear to be in good shape. That headliner looks perfect! The bumpers look nice and straight, even has both rubber
steps on the rear bumper, and the chrome/plastic speedometer frame looks intact. Very nice.

I'm a little surprised to not see the 'grab' handles on the sides of the rear window, I would have thought those to be standard with the
9-passenger. Regardless, she's a great start.
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Posted 2020-01-02 6:47 PM (#592397 - in reply to #592396)
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SavoyPlaza - 2020-01-02 2:40 PMI'm a little surprised to not see the 'grab' handles on the sides of the rear window, I would have thought those to be standard with the
9-passenger. Regardless, she's a great start.


At least the foot pads are there on the bumper:



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Posted 2020-01-02 10:57 PM (#592400 - in reply to #592396)
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SavoyPlaza - 2020-01-02 5:40 PM

Nice! She does appear to be in good shape. That headliner looks perfect! The bumpers look nice and straight, even has both rubber
steps on the rear bumper, and the chrome/plastic speedometer frame looks intact. Very nice.

I'm a little surprised to not see the 'grab' handles on the sides of the rear window, I would have thought those to be standard with the
9-passenger. Regardless, she's a great start.
Pete


"Assist Handles" were optional on my 62 9 passenger. Likely the same for the 61 Plymouth.
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Posted 2020-01-02 11:09 PM (#592401 - in reply to #592400)
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I have some arm rests
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Posted 2020-01-02 11:32 PM (#592404 - in reply to #592364)
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jboymechanic - 2020-01-01 9:20 Pms Can anyone help with the data tag?


Jon,

Here’s some info on the fender tag codes

367
3= Plymouth with V-8
6= Belvedere station wagon
7= St Louis MO assembly plant

It looks as though the trim and paint codes might be reversed (stamped in wrong location). The reason for this statement is that Paint codes are usually “letters” and Trim “numbers”

This would actually make sense as the codes translate as follows if switched:

TRM 341 = blue interior
PNT code WDW =
W = oyster white roof
D = twilight blue metallic - body
W = oyster white - not certain but believe this is referring to white coves on front fenders

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jboymechanic
Posted 2020-01-02 11:43 PM (#592405 - in reply to #592117)
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Thank you for the data plate info, any way to tell if this was a Poly or a big block?
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Posted 2020-01-02 11:46 PM (#592407 - in reply to #592404)
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The wagon seems really solid and has some nice options on a 9 passenger

One other note the radio knobs look to be from a 1961 Dodge / 1960-61 Desoto model
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Posted 2020-01-03 7:24 AM (#592416 - in reply to #592117)
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9 passenger Custom Suburban, ultra rare back in the day and probably only a few left. Congratulations! I'm glad it got in good hands.
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Posted 2020-01-03 9:35 AM (#592419 - in reply to #592117)
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My dad says he "thinks" he remembers seeing this car at the drag strip in the 1960s. Car appears like it might have been at the strip at one point given the gauges and the overall look. The front tires are taller than the rear, perhaps a poor mans gasser setup?

How many leaf springs would this car have from the factory? This car has 9 leaves on the passenger side and 8 on the driver. I don't know the rear axle gear ratio yet or if it's a Sure Grip, but I hope to find out this weekend. The rear axle is also crooked in the car, on one side the alignment pin through the spring stack into the spring perch on the axle sheared off and the u-bolts are on an angle. Again, perhaps more evidence that someone was dragging this car?
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Posted 2020-01-03 12:02 PM (#592423 - in reply to #592117)
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Contact Chrysler for a copy of the build card for your car and maybe the selling dealer.

Danielle.szostak@fcagroup.com

Request build card with serial number (VIN) and provide proof of ownership.

Who knows how much longer this service will be available.

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Posted 2020-01-05 12:12 PM (#592494 - in reply to #592117)
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I guess I need to get my '61 Wagon ready. Mine is going to feature the optional 413 and Aluminum TF from a '62 Imperial. Here are a couple things you need to find for your wagon. lol


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Posted 2020-01-06 1:14 AM (#592512 - in reply to #592494)
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Put the car up on dollies today so my dad can move it around if he needs to. Checked the rear gears, with one wheel off the ground I rolled one wheel 2 full revolutions to get about 3.5 revolutions of the differential pinion, so 3.54 open gears.

Below are pictures of the floors, they are much better than they look in the pictures. They look bad, but are all very solid other than the braces welded to the underside of the floor. I will eventually clean, replace the braces, can then paint the underside with rust bullet or POR-15. The third row seat foot well will need work as well.



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Posted 2020-01-06 6:56 PM (#592556 - in reply to #592117)
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Great find! 1960 is my favorite year for forwardlook wagons. I really don't recommend running a 440 though, it will eat up so much fuel that you will rarely ever want to drive it. I am amazed at how much more fuel my 1960 413 eats compared to my '58 361 motor. A 361 would be a more practical choice. My 318 Satellite wagon has plenty of power with dual exhaust and 4bbl so a well built 361 should be more than enough. It's not like you are going to drag race it, right? But either way, it'll be great to have another '60 wagon on the road again.
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Posted 2020-01-06 10:27 PM (#592567 - in reply to #592556)
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A 440 wasn't my first choice, but it is freshly built and free to me. As of now, my dad and I are planning on stick shift so I will definitely have overdrive. If I don't like it, long term I would probably find another 318 Poly as I do like those motors.

Another find in the wagon, my dad has been cleaning it out and he found these floor mats all folded up. Are these original?



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Posted 2020-01-06 10:52 PM (#592568 - in reply to #592117)
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Those look like '60 Dodge symbols. They may be original to a '60 Dodge.
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Posted 2020-01-09 3:42 PM (#592689 - in reply to #592117)
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So for the sake of time and money and getting this car back on the road as soon as possible, I will most likely use the TorqueFlite that was originally behind the 440. The Imperial Services cable doesn't allow you to use park in the trans and I wouldn't have a parking brake on the trans or rear axle, so I will be abandoning the original push buttons. Is there an add-on shifter, other than the on top of the transmission floor shifter, that I can use to get the full range out of the trans? I'd really like to avoid cutting a hole in my floor if possible.

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Posted 2020-01-09 4:02 PM (#592692 - in reply to #592117)
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You can do what I did and just attach a push-pull cable to the shifter arm and run it up alongside your steering column, and mount it to the dash. Then push it in to get the different positions and pull it all the way out to go into park. You can feel the different positions as the cable moves so you don't really need an indicator for it.
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Posted 2020-01-09 10:54 PM (#592712 - in reply to #592692)
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I'd rather have a shifter, just in case someone else who isn't as mechanically savvy should drive it. But this got me thinking about the conversion shift cable to use your original buttons with a 1966 and newer TF trans (like in the link below).

http://www.aandatrans.com/Products/Push-Button-Conversion-Cable-Set...

The original push button TF trans has 5 detent positions: R N D 2 1
The 1966 and newer TF trans have 6 detent positions: P R N D 2 1

With the adapter cable kit, you lose one position; Park

Would it be possible to hook up the adapter cable and lose 1 instead of P? So your buttons would be as follow:
R becomes P
N becomes R
N becomes D
D becomes 2
and then 1 isn't usable?

The buttons would have to be re-labeled, would this otherwise work? Or is there a detail I'm missing?
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Posted 2020-01-09 10:59 PM (#592713 - in reply to #592117)
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One more question about wagons. Would there be anything unique about the rear axle assembly in this wagon compared to my 1960 Plymouth Sedan? Same axle width? Same spring perch width? Are the brakes wider or larger diameter? I have an entire rear axle assembly from my 1960 Plymouth sedan with 3.31 gears and it is much cleaner than the axle in the car.
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Posted 2020-01-09 11:13 PM (#592714 - in reply to #592117)
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No, because I believe Park is farther away than just one push-button movement. It is like 1.5 or 2, so that if you did it, you would lose 2 positions, and the other positions might not be fully engaged, because it may not fall directly on top of the correct position.

Your axle should be the same width with the same spring perch location. The brakes are probably larger on the wagon though, and the springs should be stiffer. Typically, 9 passenger wagons received the good rear springs. 6 passenger wagons had rear springs that were too soft and should be replaced.

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Posted 2020-01-09 11:21 PM (#592716 - in reply to #592117)
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I see what you mean on the Park detent on the valve control arm.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Torqueflite-727-904-1964-PUSHBUTTON-Control...

Thanks for confirmation on the rear axle.
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Posted 2020-01-24 12:54 PM (#593377 - in reply to #592117)
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My dad has been working away on this car in his garage. He's polishing all the chrome and he mounted up my front bumper bar, I need to get over there and get some update pictures. Cleaning up under the hood and around the sub-frame as well. We're going to pull the seats and carpet to assess, patch (if needed) and coat the floors. Then we'll do brakes and figure out exactly why the rear axle is crooked. Roger at AAJ is working on my front disc kit.
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Posted 2020-01-31 10:53 PM (#593686 - in reply to #593377)
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Doing some more prep work for the brakes on this car. I have pressed in new studs into the original rear hubs, which have had the drums separated from them. I used Dorman studs 610-368. They look long, but by the time you stack the drum, wheel and then the lug nut there, hardly any stud will protrude.

I did discover that if you separate the front drums from the hub, they will indeed fit the rear hub as well. I assumed it would, but now I have proven it. Only issue is that the drum and hub were balanced as an assembly, so that may be an issue. Otherwise I'm still looking for the following brake drums if anyone knows where to get them:

Raybestos 2925
Wagner BD60115



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Posted 2020-01-31 10:57 PM (#593687 - in reply to #592117)
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I also dug up some near new rear shoes I had stashed away and I sand blasted & painted my rear drum backing plates.
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Posted 2020-02-01 9:57 AM (#593703 - in reply to #592713)
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jboymechanic - 2020-01-09 10:59 PM

One more question about wagons. Would there be anything unique about the rear axle assembly in this wagon compared to my 1960 Plymouth Sedan? Same axle width? Same spring perch width? Are the brakes wider or larger diameter? I have an entire rear axle assembly from my 1960 Plymouth sedan with 3.31 gears and it is much cleaner than the axle in the car.


Jon,
The rear axle housing is the same for all models except the imperial.
The only difference is whether it’s an 8-1/4 or 8-3/4.
Either one will interchange as they have the same dimensions. As you know the 6 cylinder cars came standard with the smaller 8-1/4 axle and V-8s the 8-3/4 version.
[Note confirmed this info in the 1960 master parts catalog]

One other detail on the rear springs, the wagons use a different front hanger bracket and rear shackle mounting strap.

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Posted 2020-02-02 10:58 PM (#593749 - in reply to #593687)
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Picture of the bumper bar mounted on the car. Also crawled under the car to get a look at the rear diff, '657 8 3/4 with small u-joint and was surprised by that in a wagon.



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Posted 2020-02-03 7:51 AM (#593762 - in reply to #593749)
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Picture of the bumper bar mounted on the car. Also crawled under the car to get a look at the rear diff, '657 8 3/4 with small u-joint and was surprised by that in a wagon.


I would say/think that every 60/61 Plymouth got the small U-joint, including 383 ram/GC cars with 2.93 axles. At least my 60/61s GC's and 60/61 Desotos.
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Posted 2020-02-09 9:38 PM (#593992 - in reply to #592117)
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I purchased a really clean and complete 318 this weekend, came out of a super clean 1962 Plymouth wagon. Engine will get a quick hone, new rings and bearings, freeze plugs and gaskets. I have a A518 automatic overdrive I've been waiting to put into something, so that will be the combo. 318, automatic overdrive with 3.31 gears (regardless of what gears are in the car now).
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Posted 2020-02-10 11:31 AM (#594021 - in reply to #592117)
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Oh, and the 1961 Plymouth Savoy will now most likely get the 440 transplant.
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Posted 2020-02-16 12:40 AM (#594348 - in reply to #594021)
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My dad and I got the front disc brakes on the car today, along with the new master cylinder. Mounted the magnum 500 wheels up front too since I didn't have enough lug nuts to re-mount the old Cragars that were on the car (all studs are now right-hand threads). We also did a rough clean up of the front suspension and steering linkage along with greasing all the joints. Quite a mess, but everything cleaned up pretty well and feels good.

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Posted 2020-03-07 11:53 PM (#595387 - in reply to #594348)
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My dad has been working on the engine. He has port matched the heads and exhaust manifolds, polished all the ports and runners, 3 angle valve job and lapped the valves into place. With a 4 barrel carb, the old 318 should breathe pretty decently. Not trying to make a ton of power, my dad mostly just likes doing this stuff.

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Posted 2020-03-14 11:59 PM (#595608 - in reply to #595387)
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Got my pistons cleaned up, they appear to be in very good shape. Also converting a 1974 small block distributor to HEI using one of Powerflite's kits (Nathan Nuttall, designed2drive).



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Posted 2020-03-27 1:07 AM (#596102 - in reply to #592117)
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Before we were given the "safer at home" order, I dropped off the pistons, block, crank and all other short block components for the 318 at my dad's shop. This will get him through the social distancing, and hopefully we can put the motor in the car when then thing clears up.
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Posted 2020-04-02 2:09 PM (#596371 - in reply to #592117)
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Heads are completely rebuilt and ready to go, dad will be working on the short block next.

I like the 5 speed in my other Plymouth so much I ended up buying another AX15 from a 1998 Dodge Dakota for this car. I will rebuild this one as well while we're all stuck at home waiting out the virus.
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Posted 2020-04-02 3:36 PM (#596372 - in reply to #592396)
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I'm a little surprised to not see the 'grab' handles on the sides of the rear window, I would have thought those to be standard with the
9-passenger. Regardless, she's a great start.
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Grab bar application seems to be inconsistent on the Plymouth and maybe Dodge wagons. They were standard on all 1960 Chrysler wagons regardless of 3rd seat or roof rack.

You can tell it's a real 3-seat wagon since it has the rear dome light and the power rear window switch next to the light. If you see a 3-seat wagon with a manual tailgate wagon, something is amiss. Either the third seat has been added later or the tailgate is wrong. Of course you can never say never with Chrysler.

Another thing I've noticed is that some Plymouth wagons don't have the stainless strips on top of the roof and down the back. I thought they came on all the wagons but seen several without.
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Posted 2020-04-03 10:25 AM (#596387 - in reply to #595387)
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jboymechanic - 2020-03-07 10:53 PM

polished all the ports and runners, .
These days polishing the e ports is fine, but current thinking is leaving the int ports rough or even cutting shallow lines in them to induce tumbling/swirl.
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Posted 2020-04-03 10:26 AM (#596388 - in reply to #595608)
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jboymechanic - 2020-03-14 10:59 PM

. Also converting a 1974 small block distributor to HEI using one of Powerflite's kits (Nathan Nuttall, designed2drive).
Vs just getting a '76 or later dizzy?
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Posted 2020-04-03 10:29 AM (#596389 - in reply to #592117)
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Looks like the OEM rear axle is still there. Most update to get away from the press on drums. I have a late '70s 9" from a Ranchero in my '60 Sedan.
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Posted 2020-04-03 4:41 PM (#596408 - in reply to #592117)
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I've already separated the drums from the hubs, then I can just slip the drums on and off. I have faith in the old tapered axles otherwise.

I already had the '74 distributor and I've heard that the Mopar electronic ignition isn't all that great. It's also more expensive that the HEI conversion.
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Posted 2020-04-04 12:03 PM (#596431 - in reply to #592117)
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I don't remember ever having a failure of the electronic ignition on any of the Chrysler products i have owned. I even installed the performance unit from Direct Connection (Chrysler Performance) on my 69 Charger. Of course, most of these were stock engines if that matters.
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Posted 2020-04-04 12:17 PM (#596432 - in reply to #596408)
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I've already separated the drums from the hubs, then I can just slip the drums on and off. .
I believe you'll find that once everything is bolted on & snugged up it'll take a puller to get the drums off again.
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Posted 2020-04-06 12:03 AM (#596484 - in reply to #592117)
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Mopar 1, scroll up in this thread, you will see that I have pressed out the swaged studs and replaced them so that the original drums will now float on the original tapered axle hub. I would need a puller to remove the hub, but the drums are now floating like a newer car.

58coupe, I have never had a vehicle with the Mopar electronic ignition, but I've read that they don't perform well at mid-range RPM. I have no personal experience here, but I got the '74 distributor for free and I've converted to HEI for about $100.
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Posted 2020-04-25 11:31 PM (#597337 - in reply to #596484)
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Finished rebuilding my AX15 tonight to the point that it's full of oil and ready for install.



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Posted 2020-04-26 11:25 PM (#597388 - in reply to #597337)
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Stopped by my dad's shop today, he's starting to re-assemble the 318. Cam and crank are in.



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Posted 2020-05-10 11:11 PM (#598065 - in reply to #597388)
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The 318 short block is together with new cam, rod and main bearings. Everything rolls over very nicely, oil pan and heads next.



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Posted 2020-05-11 11:59 PM (#598123 - in reply to #598065)
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I've been working on the transmission mount and shifter for the wagon by mocking them up in my 1960 Plymouth sedan. Here is the slightly modified mount that will accept the 5 speed. I had to turn the mounting plate 180 degrees and notch it for a rib in the 5 speed. I have this exact setup in the sedan now and it is a much better setup than what I had before.

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Posted 2020-05-12 12:17 AM (#598124 - in reply to #598123)
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I also found and installed a shifter from a Dodge Dakota and it fits the car perfectly without modification, position and comfort for the driver is perfect. I was previously using a shifter out of a Jeep and I had to bend the shifter significantly to clear the dash and seat, but position was ok. I also didn't care for the joint in the Jeep stick shift, it's just an interference fit square socket and as I drove the car the shifter kept working itself apart. The Dakota stick is threaded together and won't have that problem, I just don't care for the plastic shift knob from the 90s.

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Posted 2020-05-25 9:37 PM (#598798 - in reply to #598124)
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Heads are on the 318, down to just the intake, carb, distributor and fuel pump.



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Posted 2020-06-12 9:56 PM (#599593 - in reply to #592117)
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Tackled a big job on the wagon today, cut off the helper springs (which were not needed at all) and cut the rear axle U-bolts. The centering bolts were broken on BOTH sides, I knew at least one had to be broken. The springs were all separated, cleaned, greased and reassembled with new centering pins. I then installed a different axle housing that I had previously cleaned and installed new inner seals in, new grade 8 U-bolts and nuts were used. Repacked the rear axle bearings, installed my restored rear brakes, adjusters and hubs. I had previously separated the drums from the hubs as well, everything went together great. Car is back down on all fours, next step is to install brake lines and bleed. Oh, and the existing axle had 3.31 gears, so that is what I'm using as I don't have any other gear ratios on hand currently.

No pictures, just too messy of a job all around to handle the phone. Really glad to have this done.
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Posted 2020-06-20 11:49 PM (#599929 - in reply to #599593)
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Below is a link to the refreshed 318 running. This is the first time the engine ran, it has been run for about 3 hours since and is now broke in. The blow-by observed out of the valve cover vent has cleared up. Initial compression tests resulted in cylinder pressures of 130 to 145 psi, after break in those numbers are up to 155 to 165 psi. Transmission was rebuilt and shifts into all gears without any noises. Very happy with the results, but will need a different carb. Using a loaner Quick Fuel 750 and it is just too much for the little 318.

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Posted 2020-06-21 12:09 AM (#599930 - in reply to #592117)
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Congratulations, that sounds good. Some blowby can be created from too much advance too. But you have real problems - your fan keeps going backwards!
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Posted 2020-06-22 9:58 PM (#600031 - in reply to #592117)
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Here are a couple more vidoes now that the timing was more dialed in and the engine was actually broke in:

Cold Start and idling
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Posted 2020-08-04 12:11 AM (#601672 - in reply to #600031)
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Got some more work done on the wagon. All new stainless brake lines are installed on the car, but need to re-bleed as the pedal isn't quite there yet. I also mounted my clutch pedal and master cylinder, same setup as my 1960 sedan. I also cut out and cleaned up the K member where the crappy Olds engine mounts were welded in place.



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Posted 2020-08-22 1:10 AM (#602391 - in reply to #601672)
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Dropped the gas tank today, then scraped off all the old undercoating on the outside and vacuumed the inside. The amount of rust flakes was alarming, but it actually seems pretty solid yet.



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Posted 2020-09-17 12:02 AM (#603255 - in reply to #602391)
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Cleaned out the inside of the tank with acid which resulted in several new holes in heavily pitted areas. Had it brazed up by a local guy after I cleaned up the outside of the tank as well, hope it holds up. Working on making a new tank strap out of stainless as well.

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Posted 2020-09-17 2:16 PM (#603267 - in reply to #603255)
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I fixed the tank in my 62 Newport wagon years ago by soldering a layer of pennies over the rusted sections. Made the tank kind of heavy..
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Posted 2020-09-17 3:35 PM (#603270 - in reply to #592117)
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If you have a large section that's bad, you can cut it out and weld a new piece into it just like any other body repair. Afterward, braze over the welds to ensure that they won't leak.
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Posted 2020-09-17 6:34 PM (#603277 - in reply to #592117)
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I lucked out with the tank I found, super clean in and out.



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Posted 2020-09-20 10:05 PM (#603389 - in reply to #592117)
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That is unbelievably clean! I've had gas in my patched tank since Friday morning, no leaks!
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Posted 2020-09-24 12:56 AM (#603537 - in reply to #603389)
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Painted my tank with truck bed liner, ready to go in the car.



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Posted 2020-09-28 11:15 PM (#603727 - in reply to #592117)
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Looks great.
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Posted 2020-10-09 9:30 PM (#604259 - in reply to #603727)
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We had some amazing weather in WI today for this time of year, hit 80 degrees. I took the day off to work on the wagon, the fuel tank, sending unit and lines are all now in the car. I measured the original strap, which was incredibly corroded and pitted, and had a new one laser cut out of 14 gauge 304 stainless steel. I just had to bend it up, which my dad and I accomplished used a vise and careful bending around the front axle of his 1966 International 806 tractor. Turned out nice and fit perfectly. Also sand blasted and painted my tank shield and reinstalled.

I also replaced the hacked up center link with a new unit from PST, which seemed well built and a perfect fit but we'll see how it holds up. I also measured and cut the hole in the floor for the 5 speed shifter and did a lot of vacuuming under the hood before the engine goes in. The hood is off, but we're going to pull the grill and core support so we can go more straight in with the drivetrain. If only I had one more solid day of work, the drivetrain would be in...



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Posted 2020-10-10 12:38 PM (#604285 - in reply to #592117)
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Nice job on the tank and strap. Looks like you also made new fuel lines. I was fortunate to get a good line out of another wagon. Just had to make the one that goes through the subframe and then from the carb to the fuel filter. I still need to put my tank shield in but going to wait until I get the car running and a few other things done.
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Posted 2020-10-17 10:14 PM (#604572 - in reply to #604285)
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Car is now ready for the engine and trans to go in, hope to get at it next Saturday.



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Good deal. Might want to clean up that engine bay a little first since it would be relatively easy to do now.
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Posted 2020-10-24 10:00 PM (#604897 - in reply to #604606)
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Engine and transmission are not mounted into the car, having the core support out of the way made it very simple. I also have some minor straightening to do on the core support, so I'll do that before it goes back in. Trans mount worked out just like in my sedan, and we were able to finish the hole in the floor for the shifter as well. Now we can chip away at the wiring, hooking up the fuel, carb linkage, clutch line, power steering and getting the cooling system back together.

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Posted 2020-10-24 11:17 PM (#604901 - in reply to #604897)
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Nice work, are those the factory rear leafs? Or did you add some extra springs?
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Posted 2020-10-25 10:01 PM (#604927 - in reply to #592117)
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I didn't add any extra springs, but that doesn't mean they're factory.
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Posted 2020-11-05 9:40 AM (#605316 - in reply to #592117)
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We're having spectacular weather here for this time of year, hit 70 yesterday. Took the day off to work on the wagon and got a lot done. Installed the shifter boot, converted to electronic voltage regulator, completed all under hood rewiring, connected the fuel system, made carb linkage, mounted and connected the power steering pump and started re-assembling the front end back onto the car. Still need to button up the front sheet metal, install the radiator, hoses and fan and connect the clutch hydraulic line and then we can do a test run in the car.
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Posted 2020-11-09 11:43 PM (#605477 - in reply to #592117)
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Jon,

Did you replace the seal on your gas tank drain plug? Mine is leaking.

 





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Posted 2020-11-10 10:20 AM (#605489 - in reply to #592117)
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I removed my plug, threw away the gasket and brazed it closed. I just see no value in these plugs, it's not hard to remove the tank. I put the tank in the car empty and haven't refilled it since I installed my tank, but I had about 6 gallons of fuel in the tank while resting in my garage for 3 days with no drips anywhere. I'll confirm when we fill it back up soon.
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Posted 2020-11-10 12:15 PM (#605501 - in reply to #592117)
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Thanks. They dropped the drain plugs after a while. I assume they had them because gas could be questionable in certain areas.





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jboymechanic
Posted 2020-11-29 9:56 PM (#606186 - in reply to #592117)
Subject: Re: 1960 Plymouth 9 passenger wagon



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She's a driver! Below is a link to this car's first drive since 1976. Still plenty to do, but really happy to have it moving under its own power!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W0aD0wUUrus
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Posted 2020-11-30 12:50 AM (#606189 - in reply to #592117)
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Sounds pretty healthy. Congratulations.
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Posted 2020-12-01 5:27 PM (#606237 - in reply to #606186)
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jboymechanic - 2020-11-29 6:56 PM

She's a driver! Below is a link to this car's first drive since 1976. Still plenty to do, but really happy to have it moving under its own power!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W0aD0wUUrus


Did you get the new tank?

I still haven't driven my '60 Chrysler wagon that has been parked since 1978. You're way ahead of me.
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Posted 2020-12-01 5:37 PM (#606238 - in reply to #606189)
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Nice! Another FL car saved! Looks and sounds just awesome, congrats man.
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Posted 2020-12-01 9:38 PM (#606243 - in reply to #592117)
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I did get my tank and I now see that he's lowered the price to $499 or offer. Tank looks good, but I wanted to see how it fits before I give a review with pictures. Glad I bought it though, my repaired tank has started to ever so slowly leak, about 2 drops a day.
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Posted 2020-12-02 11:15 AM (#606267 - in reply to #606243)
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jboymechanic - 2020-12-01 6:38 PM

I did get my tank and I now see that he's lowered the price to $499 or offer. Tank looks good, but I wanted to see how it fits before I give a review with pictures. Glad I bought it though, my repaired tank has started to ever so slowly leak, about 2 drops a day.


Looking forward to hearing how it fits. If I didn't already have 3 original tanks I'd probably buy one as a spare. Of course he's knocking down the price of used ones but still more than I paid. One of mine has some dents as it came out of a demo derby wagon.
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Posted 2020-12-02 12:10 PM (#606274 - in reply to #606243)
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jboymechanic - 2020-12-01 6:38 PM

I did get my tank and I now see that he's lowered the price to $499 or offer. Tank looks good, but I wanted to see how it fits before I give a review with pictures. Glad I bought it though, my repaired tank has started to ever so slowly leak, about 2 drops a day.


Looking forward to hearing how it fits. If I didn't already have 3 original tanks I'd probably buy one as a spare. Of course he's knocking down the price of used ones but still more than I paid. One of mine has some dents as it came out of a demo derby wagon.
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Posted 2020-12-14 1:26 PM (#606720 - in reply to #592117)
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Well my super clean original 1960 tank started leaking. I had a leak at the drain plug but made a new seal for it. Put the plug back in and put a gallon of gas in it and hear a drip drip drip. There is a tiny hole in the bottom of the tank. I can probably braze it up. Going to test my spare 1961 tank.
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Posted 2020-12-15 12:13 PM (#606747 - in reply to #606720)
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NicksGarage - 2020-12-14 12:26 PM

Well my super clean original 1960 tank started leaking. I had a leak at the drain plug but made a new seal for it. Put the plug back in and put a gallon of gas in it and hear a drip drip drip. There is a tiny hole in the bottom of the tank. I can probably braze it up. Going to test my spare 1961 tank.
You might try drilling it out. If you get solid metal with a small hole I've patched them with a screw, screen mesh & JB Weld....
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jboymechanic
Posted 2020-12-24 10:27 PM (#607076 - in reply to #592117)
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New tank is in the car and it fits just like the original. I think I previously posted that the tank seam/flange wasn't folded over where the strap wraps around the tank, but that is not true. The flange is folded over in the right spot and the tank doesn't leak. My aftermarket sending unit from Van's fit perfectly, no slop and the lock ring fits real tight. I haven't filled the tank up completely yet, hopefully no leaks there. The one issue I did have was with fitting the fill tube into the grommet, it was soooo tight. I was able to "grind" out the ID of the grommet to get a more reasonable fit while still being sealed tight. Overall I'm very happy with the tank.
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Posted 2020-12-24 11:01 PM (#607078 - in reply to #592117)
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Thanks for the update. I always use WD40 to help get the filler pipe in the grommet. The filler on these is so short that it's hard to get a running go at it. The o-ring type is certainly easier.
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Posted 2020-12-24 11:29 PM (#607080 - in reply to #592117)
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The opening on the Vans tanks for the '57-'59 are way too small. You would need a press to get it in. Fortunately, it is easy to grind it open to fit properly.
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Posted 2021-01-03 7:50 PM (#607385 - in reply to #592117)
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Not much new, but I did get my AutoMeter electronic oil pressure and volt meter wired into the car properly. I also installed and connected the original water temp sending unit and used a "Tach Match" to wire up the vintage Radatron tach that was in the car. I followed the Tach Match instructions and once I realized that the white wire from the tach was the signal wire everything worked out. Now I will have all the vital information about the engine when I'm sitting behind the wheel. Cold and snowy here now, so won't be outside to run for a while.
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Posted 2021-01-18 12:11 PM (#607843 - in reply to #592117)
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No work lately, but I did order dual exhaust from Waldron's. Their systems are made to order, currently a 10 week lead time. I've had look luck with them in the past in my 1958 Plymouth 4 door sedan and my 1956 Imperial. Both needed some tweaking, but installed ok for the most part.
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