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Location: Iowa | Anyone know if the body from a '57 Dodge 2 dr ht, will fit the frame of a '57 Dodge 4 dr sedan? By will it fit, I mean without modifications? Is the wheelbase, etc the same? |
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Elite Veteran
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Location: kansas city, mo. | here is the info that i know for sure. all 57/58/59 dodge and plymouth ht and sedan frames are the same with one exception. the motor mounts on the frames are in different locations between the 6 cylinder cars and the v-8 cars. now, the convertible and station wagon frames have a huge x brace for additional support. also the wagon frames are a little longer to accomodate a longer wheel base. also the 6 cylinder and v-8 differences apply to those as well. hope it helps. mike in k.c. |
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Veteran
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Location: Iowa | Yes, that info helps a lot. From what I gather, as long as both vehicles (the 4 dr sedan and the 2 dr ht) are both V8's, the bodies are interchangeable.
Yes, that's GREAT info, thanks! |
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Expert
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Location: Vancouver, BC | 1957 through 1959 Dodge Coronet, Royal and Custom Royal models did not use the same chassis frame as the Plymouth, but did share the frame with the 1957-59 DeSoto Firesweep and 1958-59 Chrysler Windsor.
Except for the wagons, the Plymouth was on a 118" wheelbase while the Dodge C/R/CR models were on a 122" wheelbase. Plymouth wagons were on the 122" wheelbase.
The 1957-59 DeSoto Firesweep and 1958-59 Chrysler Windsor models were also on the 122' wheelbase.
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Location: Twin Falls, Idaho | According to my parts books they are the same and the body should bolt right up to the new frame. |
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Elite Veteran
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Location: kansas city, mo. | i did some further checking on wheelbase. looks like the plymouth 2dht and sedan frames will not work, but the desoto will. read this article. http://www.pentastars.com/inside/plymouth-7a.shtml |
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Expert
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Location: Vancouver, BC | chrysler300c - 2005-09-22 4:29 PM
According to my parts books they are the same and the body should bolt right up to the new frame.
From the 1958 parts book :
1820 306 : Chrysler Windsor suburban
1820 311 : Chrysler Windsor, except wagon
1820 942 - Imperial except convertible & 4-door hardtops
1820 943 - Imperial convertible & 4-door hardtops
1829 749 : DeSto Firesweep except convertible & wagon
1829 750 - Plymouth V8 wagon; Dodge V8 except convertible; DeSoto Firesweep wagon;
1829 751 - Plymouth 6 wagon & Dodge Coronet 6
1829 948 - Plymouth V8 except convertible & wagon
1829 949 - Plymouth V8 convertible;
1829 950 - Dodge V8 convertible;
1829 951 - DeSoto Firesweep convertible
1829 952 - Chrysler Saratoga; Chrysler New Yorker except convertible & wagons;
1829 953 - DeSoto except convertibles, wagons & Firesweep;
1829 954 - Chrysler New Yorker wagon
1829 955 - DeSoto Fireflite wagon;
1829 956 - Chrysler New Yorker convertible
1829 957 - DeSoto Firedome & Fireflite convertible;
1829 963 - Plymouth 6 except wagon
NOTE : DeSoto Adventurer used DeSoto Fireflite frame and Chrysler 300D used Chrysler New Yorker frame
From the 1959 parts book :
1829 727 - Imperial except convertible
1851 057 - DeSoto Fireflite wagon & Chrysler New Yorker wagon
1851 062 - DeSoto Firedome/Fireflite except convertibles & wagons; Chrysler Saratoga/New Yorker except convertible & wagons
1851 063 - DeSoto Firedome/Fireflite convertibles; Chrysler New Yorker convertible
1940 944 - Plymouth 6 except wagon
1940 945 - Plymouth V8 except convertible & wagon
1940 946 - Plymouth V8 convertible
1940 947 - Plymouth 6 wagon
1940 948 - Plymouth V8 wagon; Dodge Coronet 6; Dodge V8 except convertible; DeSoto Firesweep wagons; Chrysler Windsor & wagons
1940 949 - Dodge V8 convertible
1940 950 - DeSoto Firesweep except convertible & wagons; Chrysler Windsor except convertible & wagons
1940 951 - DeSoto Firesweep convertible; Chrysler Windsor convertible
1940 307 - Imperial convertible
NOTE : DeSoto Adventurer used DeSoto Fireflite frame and Chrysler 300D used Chrysler New Yorker frame
Wheelbase measurements for 1957-1959 Chrysler products :
118" wheelbase -
1957-58 Plymouth Plaza except waagon
1957-59 Plymouth Savoy escept wagon
1957-59 Plymouth Belvedere except wagon
1957-58 Plymouth Fury - all
1959 Plymouth Fury except wagon
1959 Plymouth Sport Fury - all
122" wheelbase -
1957-59 Plymouth wagons - all
1957-59 Dodge Coronet - all
1957-59 Dodge Royal - all
1957-59 Dodge Custom Royal - all
1957-59 DeSoto Firesweep - all
1958-59 Chrysler Windsor - all
126" wheelbase -
1957-59 DeSoto Firedome - all
1957-59 DeSoto Fireflite - all
1957-59 DeSoto Adventurer - all
1957 Chrysler Windsor - all
1957-59 Chrysler Saratoga - all
1957-59 Chrysler New Yorker - all
1957-59 Chrysler 300-F - all
129" wheelbase -
1957-59 Imperial - all except Ghia-built models
Bill
Vancouver, BC
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Expert
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Location: Vancouver, BC |
The wheelbases quoted in my previous post came from the 1958 and 1959 Chrysler parts books.
Mr. Redgap has the 1958-59 wheelbases correct, although he is dead wrong on the RB 383. The RB 383 was not a special raised block but a small bore 413. In 1959 and 1960 only Chrysler used the RB engine, both 413 and (in the U.S.) 383.
The so-called Dodge 383 was a bored-out 361 and was used by both Dodge and DeSoto in 1959 and 1960.
Part of the confusion probably comes from the fact that the B engines share blocks and intakes manifolds while the RB engines share another set of manifolds. And Chrysler had two sets of heads - the small valve heads were used by the B block 361 and RB block 383 while the larger valve heads were used by the B block 383 and RB block 413.
The above information was derived from the 1959 and 1960 Chrysler parts books.
By the way, DeSoto did offer taxi models in 1957 and 1958. They were basically stripped 6-cylinder versions of the DeSoto Firesweep. Do not know how many were built in 1958, but 1957 production came to 149. Not very encouraging numbers. Also, outside of the Imperial, Chrysler did not push non-factory stretch models (hearses, etc.) Those were done by outside suppliers.
If you read Mr. Redgap's next installment you will read the 1960 DeSoto Fireflite came on a 122" wheelbase while the Adventurer was on a 126" wheelbase. Not true. Both series were on the 122" wheelbase, as verified by every published reference on the 1960 DeSoto, except for Mr. Redgap's article. People have sent Mr.Redgap corrections, but he ignores them all. Which is sad as it puts all of his recollections into question.
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Elite Veteran
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Location: kansas city, mo. | now i know who to ask about technical stuff. |
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