Another '56 Fury
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Posted 2020-08-27 10:07 PM (#602662)
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I just purchased 2 more '56 Fury's. One isn't in very good condition so I may not build it up, but it's an original stick shift car, which is cool. The other shown here, is probably better than the yellow one, at least it has less rust and is more complete. Although the front end of it has been torn apart, the mechanicals are in worse shape and the tach is missing. This one has manual steering, powerflite and power brakes. I guess I'll clean this one up and get it back together now that the yellow one is more respectable. What am I going to do with three '56 Fury's?



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Posted 2020-08-27 10:56 PM (#602663 - in reply to #602662)
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Wow! That guy must have been the 56 fury king to have so many. Now you’ve taken over the mantle! Does this one have all the gold aluminum trim or just what’s shown in the photos? Hopefully the other pieces are in the trunk. You should be able to make a really nice one amongst the three! You must have quite a fleet of fins now! I’m curious,did the seller have any 57 and later cars or was he mostly into 56’s?
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Posted 2020-08-27 11:28 PM (#602665 - in reply to #602662)
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Posted 2020-08-28 12:28 AM (#602668 - in reply to #602662)
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All the gold trim is there, although the right front one is a little mangled. Hopefully, I can straighten it out. The seller is more into Trans Ams and Camaros and didn't have anything else of interest except a '56 New Yorker sedan. I almost bought the New Yorker as well, just for the motor, but felt I couldn't handle the work load and finances right now, so I didn't. He bought all these back when they came up for sale after the guy in Bloomington (near San Bernardino) who collected them had died (I believe), because he thought they looked cool like a '57 Chevy. He bought all 4 '56 Plymouths from the guy's estate and I have now bought them all from him. Gary Grossich also picked up a Rose/White '56 Belvedere convertible from the same place at that time, so the guy was really into these '56 Plymouths, but he had a ton of other random stuff too.

Mike, the '56 doesn't drive the same as a torsion bar car, but they are pretty fun nevertheless. I have really enjoyed my '56 Savoy over the years. One annoying thing is I am out of decent tires to put on these cars and the tires on this one are complete trash. I'm going to have to buy some wheels right away just to be able to move this around. The body number on this car is 404-E3370 so it's the 2370th Fury made. Right near the middle and came from the factory with the later style speaker grille. I had never seen a '56 Plymouth "Power Brake" pedal before but both of these Furys have them on it. Pretty cool.



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Posted 2020-08-28 3:01 AM (#602670 - in reply to #602662)
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Posted 2020-08-28 8:44 AM (#602674 - in reply to #602662)
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Posted 2020-08-28 10:44 AM (#602678 - in reply to #602670)
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IMO, you would be wise to pick all the best parts from the cars and build a good one. You are now, officially, THE GUY for '57-58 big body cars and '56 Plymouths!
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Posted 2020-08-28 2:15 PM (#602688 - in reply to #602662)
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Thanks, I agree Danny, but I am going to pick the best parts from three to make two. I have so many now that I have to rethink my plans. My wife and kids really like the rose Belvedere so that one is a keeper. I will probably convert it to power steering & maybe power brakes to make it easier for them to drive it. But I'm not sure what my plans are for these Fury's yet. I'm inclined to make one of them a manual 5 speed, and maybe a Chrysler hemi. Maybe this one will be it, or maybe I will eventually try to fix the original crappy one. But I will probably end up selling the yellow one. We'll see. Anyway, you can probably tell that I haven't figured it out yet.

The trunk lid on this car is locked with no keys (of course! ) and I understand that neither of the two previous owners has been inside it. It will be interesting to see what lies in there. On the front seat, there was an NOS 2bbl carb, a 56 Plym starter, a 276 & 291 DeSoto dual point distributors. Anyone need any of these? Let me know because I have no use for them. I'll put them up on Ebay in a week or two. It also had two NOS tail lights and another used one in great shape. That's really nice. Good tail lights for these cars are getting hard to find. Additionally, there was a couple of battery hold downs, misc hardware, a rebuilt generator, extra wiper arms, rear view mirror, used front turn signal lenses & a pair of aftermarket side view mirrors. I don't think I'm going to use these mirrors either if anyone wants them.



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Posted 2020-08-29 12:11 AM (#602697 - in reply to #602662)
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All the missing trim was in the car, as well as an extra gold trim for the right front fender, which is a good thing since the one on the fender ended up being too short (why?). The only trim the car is missing is 2 corners that I will probably steal from the yellow car.

I got the trunk open, but the bounty in the boot turned out to be more like junk in the trunk. But there were a few worthwhile goodies in there. This distributor is a correct '56 Fury distributor so that's nice, but it's missing the tach drive, unfortunately. The two mirror heads are in good shape and one of them is for a '57-'58 car. Having the original jack is kinda cool too. These turn signal lenses are in decent shape and it was nice not to have to purchase another set of hood springs for the car.

I'm working on mounting the hood now and tappng the holes so it will go on smoothly. I'm missing the right inner fender so that stinks. Hopefully the 3rd Fury has a good one I can steal for it. The right fender isn't originally to this car and is heavily bent up. I pounded it out with a dead blow on my driveway and got it straight enough to mount, but it is oil-canning in 5 or 6 places. Fixing this would be very difficult, so I will be looking for a replacement.



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Posted 2020-08-30 2:04 AM (#602722 - in reply to #602662)
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Dave, DepsilonD, was parting out a '56 Plymouth today and graciously offered me a 318 poly motor along with a right fender, inner fender, radiator support, and other parts I needed. Thanks alot Dave! That saved me a lot of trouble rounding this stuff up for this car. We managed to get it all in my beater hatchback compact to transport. Behold the power of the hatchback! This car is great for taking some abuse that I would never give to one of my other cars. I was going to make a poly stroker out of this motor for the Fury, but I might be able to get it running. If I get that lucky, I will just swap some parts on it and run it. It's a '64 motor so I will need to use a later push button trans with it.

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Posted 2020-09-08 3:07 PM (#603033 - in reply to #602662)
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It seems that the '56 Fury used a right side exhaust manifold that has the generator mount on it, but that they never installed the generator over there. Is that correct? On other '56 Plymouths, they put the generator on the far right if there wasn't power steering installed, like on my Belvedere & Savoy. On this car, the generator & brackets that came with the car is made to mount on the top of the motor too, but without power steering.



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Posted 2020-09-19 1:41 AM (#603314 - in reply to #602662)
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I started working on this car and cleaned it up a little. This one doesn't have as much hard water deposits on it as the yellow one did, but still wasn't easy to clean. Makes me wonder where they were stored before they arrived in Bloomington. None of the latches work on this car, but I was able to replace the trunk latch with one that works if you manually reset the position every time. It needs a new spring in it. Hopefully, I can get a good one from John. Next up on it is to get the right quarter trim re-mounted on the car so I can eliminate that tape holding it on and clean out the interior of it. Hopefully the floors are in better shape than they were on the yellow car....



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Posted 2020-09-19 2:18 PM (#603342 - in reply to #602662)
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I think this is the first classic car I've bought that had a functioning glove box in it. This was the contents of it. It's mostly junk, but the missing trim corner is a very welcome sight! The seat knob is nice too and the old maps are really cool. This car was last registered in 1973 or maybe 1974 so I assume many of those maps are from the very early 70's or '60's. The tire iron was from under the seat of course.

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Posted 2020-09-19 2:23 PM (#603344 - in reply to #602662)
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The floors in this car are really clean. Much better than the yellow car, due to having carpet instead of a rubber mat on the floor. Even the removable panel is in great shape. The only issue is that the top of the left rocker at the front part rusted a hole and rusted out the inner rocker in that area as well. It looks like someone tried to lift the car with the rocker there and bent it upward. So that will require some effort to get it right.



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Posted 2020-09-19 4:22 PM (#603349 - in reply to #602662)
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Posted 2020-09-19 10:26 PM (#603365 - in reply to #602662)
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I haven't found a broadcast sheet yet. I felt on top of the glove box and nothing was there. I didn't find one from the rusty car either, and I tore that one down completely. My Los Angeles built '56 Savoy had a broadcast sheet stuck to the undercoating under the rubber floor mat on the passenger side of the car. The undercoating all over it made it unreadable though.

I installed the tachometer from the rusty car into this dash. I didn't tighten it down yet because it is a pain and I will do it after I convert it to work with newer electronics in it. A little soap and water, scrubbing and a new horn button goes a long way to making the dash look much better. I broke a bolt off when I took off the seat so I need to weld a nub to it so I can twist it out of there.

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Posted 2020-09-20 10:47 AM (#603374 - in reply to #602662)
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I got rid of the tape and finally removed of all the tape residue on the right quarter. Then mounted the trim with Auveco 2744 universal trim clips. These are the screw-on type, but they are a little too big for the trim. The smaller ones that would fit better are too expensive and no longer available from Auveco. Being too big places the trim a little offset from the center of the stud, but I found that moving the trim further onto the aluminum panel was actually a good thing. So I am pleased with the results. The aluminum was a little warped from having sat so long without the trim to support it, so it was a little difficult to get it set, but it should reset now it is under pressure again. I could get access to all but one hole in the middle, which needs to be attached with a blind clip instead.

I also figured out why my right side door doesn't latch properly. The star wheel on it is broken in half. So it doesn't hold the door well once it is latched. Looks like I need a new latch. Unfortunately, I think the latch from the rusty fury was garbage, so I may need to look for another.



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Posted 2020-09-20 11:00 AM (#603375 - in reply to #603374)
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Powerflite - 2020-09-20 7:47 AM Then mounted the trim with Auveco 2744 universal trim clips. These are the screw-on type, but they are a little too big for the trim. The smaller ones that would fit better are too expensive and no longer available from Auveco.


Yeh. The 2744 and 2818 seem to be the smallest size of that style clip that they have now. I used those and one or two other sizes on my 56 Dodge Trim. I had to use a "blind" clip (plastic) on one location on the rear side fender trim as well. Current end result for you looks good, like a Fury should.




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Posted 2020-09-21 2:57 PM (#603424 - in reply to #602662)
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Thanks Dave. I was surprised to find out that the passenger door latch from the rusty Fury that gave me so much trouble, just to get the door open, turned out to be in great shape. I just had to bend the parts back to the proper position and oil & grease it up really well. After straightening it, even the lock mechanism works well now. Unfortunately, the driver's side on that car is junk because all the springs are broken on it. But at least I no longer need to search for a good latch for the passenger side.



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Posted 2020-09-23 1:17 PM (#603522 - in reply to #602662)
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I couldn't roll up the window on the driver's side and the door latch didn't do anything. I tried oiling up the regulator and cranking on it with a junk handle only to end up bending my handle. Since I had to take it out anyway to get to the latch, I did that. Then I clamped the regulator post in the bench vise, filled the backside with WD40 and oil, and twisted the assembly around. That broke it free and I worked it around to eliminate the rust inside there. Works quite easily now and all the spring clips are still good on it, but unfortunately the window was cracked in multiple places so I need a replacement for it.

After removing the door latch, I found that the main arm that engages & disengages the latch was broken off and the parts inside are messed up. Since I don't have a replacement, I'm going to try to cut apart the pins holding it together and try to make one good one out of the two junk ones I have. I'll weld the pins back together afterward. Probability of success isn't very high, but I have nothing to lose on it.



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Posted 2020-09-23 9:38 PM (#603532 - in reply to #602662)
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I have posted info before on my 55 wagon front window repairs here but cant find it so have listed entries from my log, may be of help

30/10 Ordered window sash channel rubber from Langs Old Car Parts for $A44, excellent service, shipped in 2 days
8020 Door glass to metal channel rubber seal Year: 1924-1927 6 ft (enough for 4 windows)
9/11 Ordered window parts from Rubber the Right Way USA for $A193 (excellent service, shipped in 5 days)
10-045X door window lower sash channel 5/8" x 9/16" 28-60 GM (metal channel) 4 ft cut in half
10-044X sash channel filler, black rubber 1/16" thick, 3 ft (not used)
10-154X rigid window channel 3/8" x 1/2" 1941-50 Packard (pair) 4 ft cut to 30" (vent frame)
Note: have sweeper staples in ss
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Also supply rigid window channel for vent frame 3/8" x 1/2" but only 24" too short.
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Posted 2020-09-23 9:40 PM (#603533 - in reply to #602662)
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Just found the post another way

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Posted 2020-09-23 11:50 PM (#603534 - in reply to #602662)
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Thanks for the information Jim. I'm not going to put new rubber into this car yet. I wouldn't do that until after I get it painted. Right now I am just trying to be able to shut the doors and roll up the windows! I tore the two door latches apart by grinding off the heads of the posts that rivet them together. The original latch had a broken lever that is shown at the bottom of the picture and the latch from the rusty Fury had broken springs in it but the lever was good. The two lower levers are labeled "L" for the lower one, and "S" for the middle one. Apparently they aren't the same length and create an angled change as it goes from bottom to the top. The bottom one was also a little deformed from use so I pounded it back into shape and ensured it was flat again by running a file across it. So after swapping parts and making sure I know how it goes back together, I clamped the top back on at the two tab locations, used a socket to smack it into place around the posts, and welded it back together. Then I bent the tabs as well. My new latch works wonderfully now, good as new and I couldn't be happier with it. But then I had to bend the inner door frame back to proper shape as it was bent up from an abusive owner. Half an hour later, and I can start to re-assemble the door.

I also used the welder, while I had it out, to extract that broken bolt from my front seat mount in the floor.

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Posted 2020-09-24 12:03 AM (#603535 - in reply to #602662)
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The outside door handle was also missing the latch entirely. This is a common problem with these handles because the end of the prongs are spot welded together and under heavy use, the spot welds can come apart. This makes them very weak and they bend up, out of the way of the latch tab. So after bending the prongs back into the right position, I clamped them together and welded them all around. This makes these things much stronger and should prevent any future problems. If you use these handles, I highly recommend you do this to all of them even if they haven't separated yet because the likelihood that they could have trouble later is quite high.



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Posted 2020-09-26 3:17 PM (#603614 - in reply to #602662)
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I installed the latch & door handles, and now I have a working door again. It looks like the door may be tweaked though because the bottom of the door sticks out quite a bit in the back and I am unable to adjust it out. But I am done messing with it. When I get it running, I'll take it to a professional to work it out. Right now, I'm waiting for a glass guy to cut me a new window and a locksmith to make me new keys from the door lock in order to finish putting the door back together. But while I have the seats out, I decided to clean up the floors & paint them. I only removed the undercoating that wasn't firmly stuck to the floor. No reason to dig it all out it if it's still doing its job. I found two relatively small rust holes on the passenger side that you can just see in the photo, but no other surprises. Since this will require some welding before it will be ready for final paint, I'm just going to leave it in primer until that gets finished. Until then, this coat cleans it up nicely and should prevent any further rust from forming.



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Posted 2020-10-31 6:58 PM (#605136 - in reply to #602662)
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I decided to clean up the engine bay before I install the motor into this car, which begins with painting the inner fenders. But the battery support on this car was bent up and rusted through in multiple places. After bending it back into shape so I could mount the radiator support properly, and get it into its proper position, I cut the rusted section out and formed a new piece to fit into it. My original form didn't fit as well as I had planned but I was able to use a hammer and dolly to adjust it after I had tack welded most of it into place. I think it came out really well. We'll see after I clean it up. I'll punch the new hole into it after I'm finished grinding the welds down. And I'll clean up the backside & do final hammer/dolly work after I remove it from the car to make it easier.



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Posted 2020-11-01 12:12 AM (#605150 - in reply to #602662)
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I quickly cleaned up the welds, but I need to do some hammer & dolly work before I can finish it because of the dents that I put into it from punching the hole. To make the flanged hole, I had my son press a 13/16" 12 point socket below the hole while I pounded a 1/2" bolt with a tube over it through the hole to push the edges through. Then I followed up with a larger 1/2" socket. It came out well, but I think my son didn't have pressure on it the whole time so the panel became a little dented and the edges aren't as well defined as I would like them to be. When I remove the inner fender, it will be easier to work it and I will finish it then and tighten up the edge on the hole as well.



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Posted 2020-11-08 12:59 PM (#605413 - in reply to #602662)
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I removed the fender and finished doing the repair work, including cleaning up the backside. I then stripped all the rust & grime from both sides (partly while it rained on me! ), leaving the undercoating that wouldn't easily remove and primed/sealed it. I did the same to the two parts that mount to it. The lower bracket was bent terribly and looks like it still needs one edge massaged a little. Looks like I missed 2 dents in the fender. It's hard to see everything until it becomes a uniform color. The small circle on the picture shows a region that needs more metal added to clean up that edge. I'll weld that and clean it up again, then sand and respray it. Overall, I'm very happy with my repair job. The flanged hole came out great and you can hardly tell that area has been repaired now without any filler really required.

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Good job Nathan. Looks great.

Just don't forget that some of those sheet metal pieces were never perfect even when the cars first left the factory. Some of the stamping processes could not avoid a few kinks and such as part of the process, i.e. no need to over-restore and remove them.



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After a lot of sanding and prep work, it was ready for paint. I painted it with a semi-gloss black because I think it looks better that way. Unfortunately, I got a drip on it from my gun that I need to sand off and fix. Painting is so much fun! But I can't complain because it looks a whole lot better than it did. Oh....and you were right Dave. That dent that I circled to the far right is actually a factory ripple from pressing the panel. I hadn't realized that before I checked my other cars and they all have the same dents there. So I left it in.

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Looks fantastic Nathan. Great job. :thumbs:

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That is a definite step forward, very professional looking. I am getting to like semi gloss black too, am using it for over and under parts of my 38. My 55 wagon body is also semi gloss black thanks to previous owner, is nick-named the hearse, but our plan is to do it in original Pompano Peach with white roof rather than the original cypress brown roof (to combat the summer heat over here). I havent had the wagon out for months but plan to fill the tank tomorrow, load it up with boxed hampers from Foodbank to take to the local emergency relief centre. I also need mower fuel, and the 29 is near empty so that should take care of the morning.
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Posted 2020-11-22 11:45 AM (#605924 - in reply to #602662)
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Thanks Dave and Jim. Peach & White is a fantastic color combo, that'll look great!

I've been working on all the small parts that need to connect to the firewall & inner fenders. The blower motor works great but the wires will need to be replaced because they are completely stripped of their jacket. I'll do that next and try to keep the original connectors on it. This car had been sitting for many years without the hood on it. That completely destroyed the rubber on the original brake booster. Fortunately, I had this booster in my stash from a '56 Windsor I had parted out many years ago. I cleaned it up and scrubbed the rubber with go-jo to clean & soften it up. Came out great and still works well. The gaskets behind the brake parts were very rusty and had caused most of the rust stain on the firewall. I didn't want to delete them, however, so I cleaned them up as well and painted them with epoxy primer/sealer. Not sure if I will paint a top coat on them or not... probably not. After I cleaned up the vacuum can, I tested it with compressed air and found a pin hole in it. So I welded it up and brazed over the weld to ensure it was sealed. Retesting proved it to be successful and it cleaned up pretty nicely.



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It looks very good, just like new

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Thanks for posting those photos Nathan. I didn't really realize that the accordion bellows Power Brake and the master cylinder were on their own plates.

Paint looks great. What colour did you use for the "gold" on the bellows end plate?

All that said, I should have known about the different plates because I apparently (4 years ago - Nov. 25, 2016) took my master cylinder plate off when I replaced the master cylinder. Totally forgot about that.



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Posted 2020-11-22 4:51 PM (#605934 - in reply to #602662)
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Thanks Robert & Dave. The gold on the bellows is a little different blend than what I used on the '57 New Yorker. I thought I would try something new. It is duplicolor gold with a light mist of copper paint while the gold is still wet. The separate brake plates are one of the differences between '55-'56 and '57-up. Another difference is the tangs on the bellows have two full prongs, not one long & one short like on '57-up. Also, the right side inner fender has a bolt-on piece similar to the left side, only much smaller.

I also cleaned up the right inner fender that I got from DepsilonD. This car didn't come with a right inner fender or core support and the right fender was quite beat up, so DepsilonD was kind enough to give me some parts from his parts car that I needed. I'm not sure if the bends in the left side of the photo are put there from the factory or not, but they don't look easy to fix if they aren't. I'll check my other cars before proceeding. I know the ripples at the top of the panel are a result of the factory pressing. I was also able to get the motor I got from Dave to rotate 90 degrees, but no more. That tells me it is likely a couple of stuck valves. I'll try removing the valve covers, soaking the valves in PB blaster and whacking them with a rubber mallet to see if that does anything. Worst case, I may need to remove the heads and get a valve job done on them before I install the motor into the car. If I do that, I'll be tempted to change the cam & timing gears while I am in there....

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Posted 2020-11-24 8:04 PM (#606006 - in reply to #602662)
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I found out that those bends at the back end of that right side panel are not put there by the factory. None of my other cars have them. So I went to the trouble to straighten them out. It came out pretty well, but the primer will need to be sanded around that area to finish it off once it fully cures again. I wonder how they got there. It's an odd set of bends to see in that region.

I cleaned up the radiator support and other small items & got them primed. Painting stuff like this is annoying because it takes so long to clean & prep, and cure, and then conditions have to be right in order to paint etc. But it does make the assembly a lot nicer looking when done. I don't think I will paint the frame this time around though. Just don't know if it would be worth it because I'm not doing the whole thing anyway and it'll likely be covered with black goo in a couple years too. Not sure it's worth the trouble to do it.



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Looks really like a candy....I bet by now a big part of your yard has been painted several times...
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You are making some great progress! You have enough projects to last a lifetime!

I had a 330 Desoto that would only turn 90 degrees. Like you, I assumed a valvetrain issue, but I took a closer look before pulling it all apart. At some point, the engine had been resting without support, and the oil pan was dented enough to interfere with the crankshaft counterweights. Might check that on yours!

The ripples in that inner fender came from minor crash damage. Could be as simple as driving over a curb.
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Posted 2020-11-28 6:43 PM (#606139 - in reply to #602662)
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Thanks, the part of the process that I haven't been showing is all the sanding and re-spraying in between. The red primer/sealer that I use on everything isn't compatible with the top coat, or at least it isn't until it has cured for a very long time. To get around that I use a gray filler primer on top of it that I can sand down easily. Any place that I end up sanding into the red primer below, I use a more expensive red primer (slightly lighter shade of red) over the top of it that cures faster & sprays on more evenly than the gray primer so it requires less sanding. Then it gets top-coated. And I think you are right Danny, that the ripples were caused by an impact because there is a sizeable dent in front of the matching parts fender from whacking a fork lift while the parts car was being moved around.

Also, thanks for the suggestion Danny. The oil pan is fine so that's not the issue, although I will be swapping it out anyway so I'll have ample opportunity to check the bottom end while I am down there. I'll replace the rear main seal & oil pump while I am there, and I might replace the rod bearings too,..maybe.



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What are you sanding with Nathan? Haven`t you got clogging problems? On earlier restorations I used a kind of cheaper epoxy but I
couldn`t stand the clogging misery so I had to move to the more expensive (ouch) stuff which cures quicker.
At least I don`t use anything else than sanding net off the roll for the sanding.
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Posted 2020-12-02 11:53 AM (#606268 - in reply to #602662)
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I use wet sanding paper. You can sand directly on the sealer, but only if it has fully cured in the sun for 4-5 days. I don't like to wait that long and it is better not to sand the sealer anyway so I apply a more sand-able gray primer on top of it after a day or two. I am reluctant to change brands of sealer as I have tested this one extensively and it works really well. I left a part out in my sprinklers, in the mud for 3 years without rust showing up on it. No other that I tried did as well.

I finished painting the right inner fender and am working on the brakes & core support now.



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Posted 2020-12-03 2:29 AM (#606297 - in reply to #606268)
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Looks really great...you are a lucky since you live where the sun shines. Sun and wind is the best drying method. I agree that the stickier sealer the better...
But have you tried the sanding nets..if not you should....works better than wet sanding for me.

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Posted 2020-12-03 2:33 PM (#606318 - in reply to #602662)
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Thanks Ralf, lucky to have sun, unlucky to have no space for a bigger garage.... I'll give that sandpaper a try. Thanks for the tip!

I made the dual circuit, disc brake lines for this car and decided to make all 4 sets of them for my four '56 Plymouths since all of them will need the lines replaced. Goes faster when you make them like an assembly line.



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Hi Nathan... I was able to purchase about 40 radiators from where your 56 Furys originally came from. There are about a dozen 55-56 MOPAR radiators, including one with a shroud marked "56 Fury." Alot of the cars out there had the radiators stolen, so I thought I'd let you know in case you needed one.



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Posted 2020-12-05 1:11 PM (#606414 - in reply to #602662)
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That would be good Gary, none of these four cars had a radiator in them. I'll send you a message closer to a time when I can come down that way.

The tips of the hood on this car were pretty severely bent over. I spent about an hour & a half to get them straight enough to start welding the cracks up. Afterward, I will clean up the welds and do more detailed hammer & dolly work on them. I'll probably have to bend the lip flanges out more to gain better access to the edge as well. This also bent the hood edge further up at the two spots you can see in the photo, but I have taken most of that bend out at this point.



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The firewall is coming together after painting with off-white. I decided that I will leave this car in its original non-color. The paint on the yellow Fury will be more unique. Much of this paint was surprisingly in pretty good shape. I didn't touch the paint on the left section where the fender mount bracket is located. That's still all original paint on there. I am waiting to receive 2 un-cracked heater boxes in the mail that I have purchased and I am also waiting to get a replacement fender mount bracket that will weld to the right side firewall area. There are a couple of holes in the firewall that were covered by putty. Guess I'll have to recover them or put a bolt into them now. I probably should have welded them shut, but I wasn't sure what they were for. Once I receive all the brake parts I ordered, I should be able to start the 12" disc brake conversion from AAJ as well. Unfortunately, the powerflite trans isn't compatible with the newer 318 poly motor that I am installing. Bummer because I didn't really want to remove it all, but I'll use it in the yellow car instead. I will probably install a standard 727 trans and use my cable conversion from Imperial services with it.

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Posted 2020-12-05 8:05 PM (#606431 - in reply to #606426)
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Looking great there Nathan but you are killing me. How did you get the hood springs painted so nicely?

I've tried and failed two different ways. Yours look so nice.

My failed attempts to open the spring enough to paint.







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Hanging the springs from the garage roof with an enough heavy weight in the other end will do the work Dave.
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Posted 2020-12-06 3:47 PM (#606470 - in reply to #602662)
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Painting the springs that way is wasted effort in my opinion. You only see them when they are relaxed, so you never really witness what they look like in the stretched position anyway. I can guarantee you that the factory didn't go to that much trouble to paint them. I'm sure they just dipped them and called it good. Here is a picture of my newly painted springs. If you zoom in, you can barely see the line of paint that occurred from painting them this way, but even in the stretched state, you won't notice unless you *really* get close to them.

My repairs to the ends of the hood came out really well. I was really pleased with the results and I fixed another rip in the side of it, close to the front. But I also welded the skin to the cross brace which was loose. I'm not sure if the factory even welded them there as I didn't see a clear indication of any spot weld. But after putting them together and welding, it became obvious that I welded them together in the wrong spot because now the ends of the hood stick up too high compared to everything else. Bummer, because I did a good job of tacking them in place. It's going to be fun cutting those spot welds back out now.

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That is a tricky repair on the hood. Most people would be looking for a new hood! I guess it helps that the damage was in a constrained area. My hood sticks up at the corners too, but not so much. The manual suggests a bunch of ways to do adjustments that don't really cover it. Drill out the spot welds - I had to do that with my 38 trunk latch after I positioned it wrong and it wasn't as bad as I thought, despite having done the spot welds with a mig.
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I will drill the spot welds out to fix it, but I am putting it off for now because I don't want to deal with it yet. I figured out that it's best if I only work on stuff I want to so that something gets done. If I try to force myself to do something I don't really want to, nothing gets done. Psychology tricks even work on yourself.

I decided to tackle the disc brake conversion. I am putting 12" rotors on this car from AAJ. I used the 11" version on my Savoy, but I like the idea of this one better since these cars come with 15" wheels, and it doesn't require tapping my spindle. However, it does require using Dodge hubs because that's what he designed it for and they are a little different. But I found that there is only a small difference in height between them so I am going to try to make it work with the Plymouth hubs first. But I do have one set of Dodge hubs in case it all goes wrong. Ultimately, I have 4 cars that I would like to convert, and I don't want to have to round up Dodge hubs for them all, so it's a good time to figure it out. One drawback to this design is that it moves the wheel outward by around 9/16". Hopefully, I can get some wheels with a little more offset to account for it. Installing the new studs into the hubs isn't easy as the hub wasn't originally splined, but they do go in with some persuasion. Roger suggests drilling the hub first to 21/32", but I didn't do that.



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I received the two new heater core housings in the mail that I had purchased and put the best one on the car. The firewall looks a whole lot better now with a decent box on there. I may need to swap the steering box out of this car. When I turn the wheel, it has a lumpy feel to it that doesn't feel right. The box from the rusty fury was good, but is for a manual transmission. Hopefully, the shaft and box are the same on it.



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That firewall is looking A1!

Had a thought last night and went looking in my bookshelf, found a soft cover book about Furys that I bought some time ago from UK then forgot about. You may already have it, if not the price is good at $A32, at least to Oz. I dont know what the web page will look like from your end, but to me it says free postage to Oz.

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Thanks Sven & Jim. Did that book have useful info in it?

The 12" disc brake conversion is less straight forward on this car because AAJ designed it for the Dodge, which has deeper hubs and spaces the wheel .275" further outward. I have a set of Dodge hubs, but I don't really want to use them because the conversion already moves the wheel out by 9/16". Adding .275" to that could make it necessary to purchase custom offset wheels, which I don't want to have to do. The wheels I am going to use have a .25" offset so pushing them out 5/16" shouldn't be an issue and that's where I want to keep it. Also, I have 3-4 cars to convert and only one set of Dodge hubs so it would be better to make it work without having to gather up a bunch of Dodge hubs too.

So I had to figure out how to modify this conversion to work with the Plymouth hubs. First, the Dodge hubs also have a thinner flange than the Plymouth (Dodge hubs are on the right in the photo). AAJ relied on the extension of the shoulders on the studs to center the rotor to them. This is no longer possible to do on the Plymouth hubs because of the extra thickness. There is still some play to the rotor when centering on the studs, so I wasn't very happy with that solution anyway. The Plymouth hubs have a machined shoulder on the outside of them which is 1/2" smaller in diameter than the rotor hole. So I cut out some 1/4" plate and bent it into a circle by hammering it around a used crank timing gear, which happens to have the same diameter as the hub. After inserting my ring into the rotor, I hammered it more round to eliminate any gaps on it. Then I welded the ends together while still inside the rotor. Once I cleaned up the welds and was happy with the fit, I welded that ring to the bottom side of the spacer that AAJ provides to go under the hubs. These spacers are required to provide clearance to prevent the rotor from hitting the bracket mounting bolts. Now the rotor will center on the rings attached to these spacers and they fit quite tightly.



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Next, I needed to move the caliper back by.275" to match the Dodge position, but I found that I didn't have to move it the entire amount if I didn't want to. The outer pad will become smaller and move the caliper closer inboard over time. If the bracket is too far out, it can eventually come off of the pins that hold it on. But I found the minimum amount I had to move it in was around 1/8" to ensure that it didn't have an issue with it. I decided to move them .25" inboard, but 3/16", which is half of the bracket thickness would have also worked well. I cut the mounting tabs off the bracket and used another bracket as a jig to hold everything in place while I tack welded it together. They came out well, but the tabs ended up slightly bending the caliper location in a non-parallel way during the welding process, so I had to straighten the bracket after welding it.

I should mention that if you don't drill the hubs to 21/32" like Roger suggests, that you need to support the hub well from behind and use a large hammer to pound them in. It really requires the impact to get them to move & create mating splines and a press just isn't able to do this.

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Final picture of completed brakes. I had to grind a weld blob off the inside of my 15" disc wheels to prevent them from rubbing so they require deep disc brake wheels, but they do work with them.

I inspected the 318 poly motor for this car and it had 2 stuck valves that I was able to free up by soaking with WD40 and whacking with a soft-blow hammer a couple times. Now all the valves are free, but I still can't turn the motor more than 90 degrees. It seems there is some crud built up inside one or more of the cylinders. I don't have a free engine stand to be able to tear down a motor, so that means I will install the motor into the car and move it out of the way until I get the New Yorker running. It's unfortunate because I wanted to be able to drive the car to move it around, but at least it will have working brakes to tow it with. But I'll need to steal some good 15" wheels from my other cars to be able to do that.



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Posted 2020-12-20 2:58 PM (#606912 - in reply to #602662)
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Posted 2020-12-20 3:58 PM (#606915 - in reply to #602662)
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Well Mike, perhaps not the immediate stopping power, but the drum brakes fades more quickly.

My '60 Saratoga with drum brakes at the inspection brake test had;

Front wheels 4.1 kN
Rear wheels 3.2 kN

Our 2007 Chrysler 300 Touring with disc brakes had;

Front wheels 2.6 kN
Rear wheels 1.8 kN

But more important is that the disc brakes normally always have an equal brake force, while the drum brakes might have a pull to one side and fades very fast, especially in high speed braking.
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Posted 2020-12-20 7:29 PM (#606923 - in reply to #602662)
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When I swapped my Savoy from 11" drums to the 11" discs, I noticed that it stopped about the same - as long as you didn't get the drums hot. Overall, I probably would have left those alone today because of how well they worked. The 12" drums on my '57-up cars, however, seemed to be much more finicky as they would suddenly catch on you or not catch at all. You could never guess what they needed or if they would work well when you needed them. All the money I spent into them was mostly wasted effort so I don't bother to fix them anymore. But if it works well already, I'll leave them alone.

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Posted 2020-12-23 11:50 AM (#607001 - in reply to #602662)
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When I pulled the old steering box from the car, I was surprised that I couldn't even turn the shaft without the steering wheel attached. It's really bound up inside. Makes me wonder what it would have been like to try and drive it with that in there. The bearing at the top of the shaft didn't turn real well either, but I cleaned and freed it up by applying oil to it and working it around. The steering box from the rusty Fury that I parted out was pretty decent so I cleaned that one up and installed it into the original column. I didn't see any differences between the manual trans version and the auto so it worked out well. Now the wheel turns smoothly as it should.



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Posted 2020-12-24 2:11 PM (#607061 - in reply to #602662)
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I swapped the '58 LH exhaust manifold onto the '64 poly motor so I could attach the pipes to it that I have. I didn't swap the '58 RH manifold because although correct for the '56 Fury, I don't like having the unused generator mount sticking out on it. I also inspected down the bores to see what its issue is and all the bores looked clean except for cylinder no. 3. That one is crusty from water getting into it. So that's the reason it won't turn more, but at least the rings on that cylinder are free. Since that head will need to be removed to fix it, I need to figure out how much I want to get into it to make it run. But I can't deal with it now so I went ahead and made it ready to install. I cleaned up & painted the '58 oil pan as the car requires the proper center sump, not the front sump from the '64 truck. But when I went to swap it out, I was surprised to find that the oil pump drive was completely different. The '64 uses a female hex drive on the pump whereas the '58 poly uses a male flat drive like the 392. Additionally, the mounting positions for it was completely different so I couldn't just swap the oil pumps over on them. In order to change the mount, I would have to swap rear main caps as well, but that's a big no-no for proper bearing positioning. So the only solution is to modify the truck sump to work with the '58 pan. What a pain. Since I will need to pull this motor again to work on it anyway, I just cut the sump so it would fit, put the pieces in the pan, and buttoned it up.

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Posted 2021-01-03 3:21 PM (#607373 - in reply to #602662)
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I received the replacement fender bracket from BigM and got it welded on. I'm ready now to start putting the inner fenders back together. I could have pulled this bracket off the rusty Fury that I parted, but I was foolish enough to get rid of the firewall before I thoroughly looked over this car to figure out what it needed. But thanks to John for pulling me through! I also bled the brakes and have a nice solid pedal. Only issue is that no fluid comes out of the rear bleeders. Most likely the rear hose has collapsed on it and it needs to be replaced. I just need enough brakes to tow it around so I'm not going to bother to fix it yet.

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Posted 2021-01-14 1:20 PM (#607713 - in reply to #602662)
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I had a crazy idea in my head that I couldn't shake - to fix the passenger fender from the rusty Fury to use on this car. I have a spare fender from a '55 Plymouth that's pretty nice, but in the end, I decided to use this one instead. If, for some reason, it fails miserably, I'll go back to the '55 fender, but so far, it's coming out well. Most of the rust issues this fender had was under the Fury trim. There are 5 patches required under that trim, but most are quite small. There are also couple of other issues at the edges of the fender, but nothing terrible. To patch it, I cut the rusty sections out and used them to find a matching contour on my scrap hood and cut it out. That way, I have a patch that fits perfectly to the original contour without having to bend it & create possible uneven stress issues in the metal. What makes this repair easier is the fact that I can get to both sides of the panel. So I have pretty good confidence that I should be able to pull it off without issues.



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Posted 2021-01-14 2:29 PM (#607717 - in reply to #607713)
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Was it this fender? It doesn't look that rusty in this photo (yours):



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Posted 2021-01-14 6:17 PM (#607731 - in reply to #602662)
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No, it was this fender. The fender you show, that came with the car, is completely rust free, but unfortunately, horribly bent and extremely difficult to straighten. It would require the work of a highly skilled psychiatrist to get that one on the straight and narrow.



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Posted 2021-01-14 6:33 PM (#607733 - in reply to #607731)
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No, it was this fender. The fender you show, that came with the car, is completely rust free, but unfortunately, horribly bent and extremely difficult to straighten. It would require the work of a highly skilled psychiatrist to get that one on the straight and narrow.


Maybe if you put that "bent" fender into a conversion therapy program, it would soon be straight (??)

This one:

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Posted 2021-01-15 2:58 AM (#607741 - in reply to #607731)
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I bet that the horribly bent fender is going to be repaired by you one day....challenges are refreshening..
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Posted 2021-01-24 12:20 PM (#608112 - in reply to #602662)
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Thanks for the confidence in me Ralf, but I think I have enough challenges to last me the rest of my life, so I'll let that one go to someone else to try.

I finished the welding and cleaned them up last week, and found some time between the rain yesterday to straighten the fender and get it primed. With it covered in a uniform color, I can see a couple of places it needs to be straightened better, so I'll do that before I paint white over it. There are also 2 spots that need some re-working with the welder and I need to re-drill the trim holes that have been eliminated. The two rear trim holes go behind the rear brace and require original style trim clips. I am considering drilling a large hole in the back of the brace so that I can use a trim clip with a nut on it instead. After that's done, I plan to paint it with some cheap white spray paint that's cluttering my garage. When this gets done for real, I will likely send this fender out to get all the underside & front panel sandblasted off at the same time as the left fender. So likely, all this paint will be stripped back off at that point. But that won't happen for a while so it's a good opportunity to use up the garbage paint I have for this purpose. I might end up finding a better fender for it by then and just swap it out as well to save me the extra final prep work that this one will require. I don't like doing temporary work, but in this case, it makes sense. My main goal here is to get it put together with working brakes & steering to make it easier to move & store until I am ready to devote more time into it.

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Posted 2021-01-28 11:28 AM (#608289 - in reply to #602662)
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Painted it up, installed the trim after tweaking it a little, and put the fender on. It's temporary, but it's much better than having the car in pieces with the trim getting lost or bent. I don't have the front arrow piece of trim, but fortunately, they have been reproduced. Just need to get a set of them. I still haven't fixed the hood yet and probably won't until I get back to working on the car. Next, I will install the grill and bumper. Only thing after that is to replace the door glass.

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Posted 2021-01-31 12:02 PM (#608407 - in reply to #602662)
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I got the rest of the front end assembled on the car. I used the grille, valence, hood latch and bumper from the rusty Fury to put it together, along with some NOS grille brackets, used bumper guards, & headlight trim I had. Now I feel like it is put back together enough for it to store for a while. It's nice to have it all together, the motor in it, with good steering & brakes, and all the latches working. I still need to replace the door window, but it'll have to wait until the replacement for it arrives. I'll round up some 15" wheels so I can move it off the driveway and get back to working on the New Yorker & other small projects again.



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Posted 2021-01-31 12:19 PM (#608409 - in reply to #602662)
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A good way to store the parts, even if the years will pass you'll still be able to find everything.
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Posted 2021-02-05 3:12 PM (#608559 - in reply to #602662)
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I rounded up some good 15" disc wheels for the front and let the car down off the jacks only to find that the left rear spring has decided to self destruct. In this picture the right rear tire is completely flat and the left rear is fine. Nevertheless, the car is leaning heavily to the left because the left rear spring failed. It's bent in an upside-down u shape now with the axle very close to the bump stop, but it doesn't seem to have broken yet. Uhg. I wanted to move on to other projects, but I can't even get this off my driveway like this with how low it is. I'll have to drag the other frame I have over here to extract the springs and swap them out now.



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Posted 2021-02-05 4:34 PM (#608560 - in reply to #608559)
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The broken spring is bad news. *BUT* the good news is you do have a parts car to cannibalize.

Why can't you just jack up and block the parts chassis and steal the left rear spring and carry it over to your driveway, swap the weak one out, swap the parts spring in and then carry the weak spring back to the parts chassis and install it?

(Just an idea to avoid moving the whole parts chassis).

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Posted 2021-02-05 6:12 PM (#608562 - in reply to #602662)
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Removing old leaf springs takes a whole lot of umph. I could have handled that without power tools in my 30's, but not so much now. It might put me into an early grave. Also, I don't want to put it back together so this will likely signal the final demise of this Fury frame. I'll probably cut it up after this and throw it in the back of my truck for scrap.
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I know how you feel - everything seems to be getting heavier the last couple of years. I am finding that stuff I stored high up on shelves back in 2013 is proving very difficult to get down safely. The other day I had to put the spare tyre back on the rear mount of our caravan and I couldnt lift the b@#$$% thing. My engine crane comes in handy but it isnt very maneuverable.

The good news is you have come a long way in 5 months since you posted the first pics. It has turned into a very presentable project.
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Thanks, I finished extracting the springs from the other fury frame and parted it out. Removing the large traction bars on it was the hardest part. I had to use a breaker bar with a long pipe extension and bounce on it. I also had to break off nearly every nut from the U-bolts as well, so my power tools didn't help me there. But I was able to do that while the assembly was removed from the frame, upside down, so it made it a lot easier. Unfortunately, I hurt my back by lifting and scooting the frame around using a long bar to lift it up. I guess I tried lifting it too far. Now I need to nurse my back for a while before messing with anything heavy.

I was wanting to work on other projects, but working on this car became my highest priority because the parts from the rusty Fury needed to go somewhere, I needed a good place to store the motor without taking up valuable space in my garage, and I didn't like the eye-sore of having this car torn apart the way it was with the side trim taped onto it & falling off. But I should be able to wrap this one up pretty soon so I can get to other things.



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When did those traction bars get invented? I made similar ones on a mustang once and they were exactly like on 1965 Shelby Mustang.



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I believe they were invented in the early sixties once the drag racing scene came alive. This rusty Fury hasn't been registered since 1969, so they have got to be older than that. They are very similar to the new Cal-tracs bars that you can purchase today except those have more adjust-ability in them.
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Nathan: You are making good progress with this Fury, considering that you just want to store it for awhile. It's looking better that just "storage".

I have three paint questions:

1. When you painted the fender, did you match it "Eggshell" and, if so, how?

2. How close do you think 56 Plymouth "Eggshell" is to 56 Dodge "Sapphire" white?? (Probably not a fair question but I thought that I would ask any way):

3. Are there any Duplicolor spray bombs that are a good match for "Eggshell"?



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Posted 2021-02-07 9:54 PM (#608627 - in reply to #602662)
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I did match the eggshell white as you can see. If I didn't, it would look really off. I have a nice gallon of automotive eggshell white that I could have used, but instead, I painted it bright white with a spray can, and then misted an antique white over it while it was still wet. The antique white is way too yellow so I couldn't use that directly, but it came out surprisingly well the way I did it. I don't recommend you do it this way for anything you care about though. I only did this because it is temporary paint. I believe that all Chrysler corp whites were the same color, at least they are plenty close enough that it doesn't really matter. The only spray can that I have found that is close to the proper white is "Stone White" from the Duplicolor replacement paints. But those are super expensive for a very small can, and you are better off just buying professional single stage paint instead.
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Thanks for that Nathan. I don't know why I never saw "Stone White" in the Chrysler section of the Duplicolor rack before
but now I will be on the hunt for at least one can to try.

Seems to be called "PW1" or the more elaborate "CBCC0407". Looks pretty white.



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I replaced the springs with the ones from the rusty Fury. Comparing them off the car, the original springs were flatter, even though they had helper springs mounted to the ends of them. So the other springs should raise the back of the car up better. The part number on the original springs is 1675690 which corresponds to the correct '56 Fury and D500 Dodge spring. The springs from the rusty Fury had part numbers 1636877. This corresponds to '55-'56 Plymouth & Dodge Suburban springs. No wonder why they are arched higher. I wonder at what point the rusty Fury got its original springs swapped out. Must have wanted the car higher like I do. I believe the Fury springs did sit the car down lower than a typical Belvedere so the lack of arch in them might be normal.

I decided to clean up the suburban springs and paint them before I installed them. And I installed some new Monroe load-adjusting shocks at the same time as well. These shocks are quite short so they hold the axle up when you lift the car. That makes it more difficult to remove & install large wheels, but they work out nevertheless. I like these shocks because the cars don't sag as much when you add 3 people in the back seat.

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Ooooo....I am very envious of those 6 leaf 1675690 rear springs. Where did you find the PN stamped on the spring set? (I want to go check mine to see what my "D500 Lite" actually got.)

My pdf 55-58 Mopar Parts catalog decided to break today (it loads but then it locks up) but my hard copy 1956 Chryco Parts book agrees with 1675690 as the Fury/D500 spring but it suggests that the suburban springs were 1636877 (not 977). Hmmm...??

There were also heavy duty (taxi??) rear springs 1635594 (excluding the suburbans) and 1635602 heavy duty suburban.

Please point me to the PN location so I can go out to my freezing (-2C, 30F) garage and check.



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Sorry, the number is 1636877 as you mention. It was a typo as I wrote it and I have corrected it now. The part number is right under the u-bolt plate, on the bottom center of the spring. So you have to remove all the ubolt nuts and remove that plate to see it. It's inside the groove that runs along the spring.

The car sits much more to my liking now. I realized later that part of the reason the rear was sitting so low and oblong was because of the situation with the front tires. After checking it out more closely, I found that the rear springs were lower than I am used to, but probably mostly OK. The left rear was definitely sagging compared to the right rear, but probably livable if I had equal sized tires on front & rear. I will keep the original springs around in case I decide to go with a lower stance in the back, but I doubt I will ever go back to them. I also replaced both rear bumper guards. The right side had been bent up pretty badly for some reason, and the left one was mostly rusty looking.

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Sorry, the number is 1636877 as you mention. It was a typo as I wrote it. The part number is right under the u-bolt plate, on the bottom center of the spring. So you have to remove all the ubolt nuts and remove that plate to see it. It's inside the groove that runs along the spring.


The Fury looks much better with those springs.

So I went out to the garage (BRrrrr - even with the electric 3000W heater on for 4 hrs) and sprayed the bottom of the U-bolts on the left rear with Moovit. I let that sit for a while while I sorted through some things (finding a few things that I had "lost" for months).

Tried a few sockets on the U-bolt nuts and eventually figured that they were 3/4" plus dirt (NOT 13/16"). Cleaned one off and gave it a go with a deep 19 mm/3/4" 1/2" drive socket and my 30" breaker bar. I got it to move but it felt more like I was twisting off the end of the U-bolt than I was moving the nut. So I quit. No use opening yet another can of worms.

I only have five leaves in my rear springs so I know for sure (and always have) that I don't have the 6 leaf heavy duty D500/Fury rear springs. I am not sure how badly I need to know what the PN of my springs really is.

Adobe Reader is still broken even though I did a cold reboot of the computer so searching for parts just got a whole lot more difficult. DAY-UM.

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These wagon springs are 6 leaf too. I really like them. You can purchase a portable oxy-acetelyne torch from harbor-freight and use that to heat the nuts first before you remove them. Then quench in WD-40 or equivalent. That usually breaks them free without snapping U-bolts. If you get them red-hot, you should replace them though as it will destroy their temper.

I received the new glass in the mail 3 or 4 days ago so I went ahead and replaced the driver's door window while it's convenient. The old one was cracked in multiple places and coming apart. Made it a pain to deal with and it probably leaked rain water too. I put it together in the frame & holder with the original rubber, and just cleaned it up and applied a layer of silicone to ensure it stays put on the glass. When I assembled the frame, I had to adjust the end of it with a soft blow hammer to get it to seat properly. Apparently it wasn't soft enough because it cracked my new glass terribly. Ugh. Good thing I purchased two of them. So I pulled it back apart and re-assembled it with the second piece of glass and installed it into the door once the silicone had a chance to set. It came out pretty well, but it looks like the rear quarter window needs to be adjusted to come closer to the door window.



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GaryS
Posted 2021-02-12 10:00 AM (#608780 - in reply to #602662)
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I recently fixed that exact gap problem in my '56. It took me a while to figure it out, but it was the alignment of the guides at the rear of the quarter window hanging up on the stainless frame on the bottom of the glass. It might save you some time to look there first.


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Posted 2021-02-12 8:57 PM (#608806 - in reply to #602662)
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Thanks Gary, I'll check that out once I delve into it. For the time being, I have moved this off my driveway now to work on other projects.
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Posted 2021-04-12 7:06 PM (#610957 - in reply to #602662)
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I received a pair of new reproduction '56 Fury arrows from George today. They look really nice and the stud seems to be much more sturdy than the originals. The studs are brazed on the backsides instead of spot welded. The spot welds tend to be very weak and break off the trim with the slightest twisting force applied to them. Unfortunately, he told me this was the last set he had to sell. They will need to make another run of them in order to make more. Not sure if that's going to happen.



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Posted 2021-04-12 8:07 PM (#610959 - in reply to #608612)
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Powerflite - 2021-02-07 2:02 PM

I believe they were invented in the early sixties once the drag racing scene came alive. This rusty Fury hasn't been registered since 1969, so they have got to be older than that. They are very similar to the new Cal-tracs bars that you can purchase today except those have more adjust-ability in them.



I'm pretty sure I saw these in ads in late 50s magazines.
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