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CORONET SEDANS AND LANCER HARDTOPS
110 = Vinyl and Boucle Tweed Fabric – Blue
111 = Vinyl and Boucle Tweed Fabric – Green
112 = Vinyl and Boucle Tweed Fabric – Tan
113 = Vinyl and Boucle Tweed Fabric – Ivory and Black
115 = Vinyl and Boucle Tweed Fabric – Red and Black
CORONET SEDANS AND LANCER HARDTOPS – CUSTOM TRIM
140 = Vinyl and Boucle Tweed Fabric – Blue
141 = Vinyl and Boucle Tweed Fabric – Green
142 = Vinyl and Boucle Tweed Fabric – Tan
143 = Vinyl and Boucle Tweed Fabric – Ivory and Black
145 = Vinyl and Boucle Tweed Fabric – Red and Black
CORONET LANCER CONVERTIBLE
120 = Vinyl and Boucle Tweed Fabric – Blue
121 = Vinyl and Boucle Tweed Fabric – Green
122 = Vinyl and Boucle Tweed Fabric – Tan
123 = Vinyl and Boucle Tweed Fabric – Ivory and Black
125 = Vinyl and Boucle Tweed Fabric – Red and Black
CORONET SUBURBAN AND SIERRA STATION WAGONS
120 = Vinyl and Boucle Tweed Fabric – Blue
121 = Vinyl and Boucle Tweed Fabric – Green
122 = Vinyl and Boucle Tweed Fabric – Tan
123 = Vinyl and Boucle Tweed Fabric – Ivory and Black
125 = Vinyl and Boucle Tweed Fabric – Red and Black
ROYAL SEDAN
160 = Vinyl and Memphis Lace Jacquard Nylon Fabric – Blue
161 = Vinyl and Memphis Lace Jacquard Nylon Fabric – Green
162 = Vinyl and Memphis Lace Jacquard Nylon Fabric – Tan
163 = Vinyl and Memphis Lace Jacquard Nylon Fabric – Ivory and Black
165 = Vinyl and Memphis Lace Jacquard Nylon Fabric – Red and Black
ROYAL LANCER HARDTOPS
170 = Vinyl and Marconi Jacquard Fabric – Blue
171 = Vinyl and Marconi Jacquard Fabric – Green
172 = Vinyl and Marconi Jacquard Fabric – Tan
173 = Vinyl and Marconi Jacquard Fabric – Ivory and Black
175 = Vinyl and Marconi Jacquard Fabric – Red and Black
CUSTOM ROYAL SEDAN
260 = Fabric and Crackles Jacquard Nylon Fabric – Blue
261 = Fabric and Crackles Jacquard Nylon Fabric – Green
262 = Fabric and Crackles Jacquard Nylon Fabric – Beige and Tan
263 = Fabric and Crackles Jacquard Nylon Fabric – Gray and Black
CUSTOM ROYAL LANCER HARDTOPS
270 = Vinyl and Gotham Plaid Jacquard Fabric – Blue
271 = Vinyl and Gotham Plaid Jacquard Fabric – Green
272 = Vinyl and Gotham Plaid Jacquard Fabric – Tan
273 = Vinyl and Gotham Plaid Jacquard Fabric – Ivory and Black
275 = Vinyl and Gotham Plaid Jacquard Fabric – Red and Black
276 = Vinyl and Gotham Plaid Jacquard Fabric – Beige and Gold
277 = Vinyl and Gotham Plaid Jacquard Fabric – Bronze and Black (REGAL LANCER ONLY)
CUSTOM ROYAL LANCER CONVERTIBLE
270 = Vinyl and Gotham Plaid Jacquard Fabric – Blue
271 = Vinyl and Gotham Plaid Jacquard Fabric – Green
272 = Vinyl and Gotham Plaid Jacquard Fabric – Tan
273 = Vinyl and Gotham Plaid Jacquard Fabric – Ivory and Black
275 = Vinyl and Gotham Plaid Jacquard Fabric – Red and Black
CUSTOM ROYAL SIERRA STATION WAGONS
280 = Vinyl and Crackles Jacquard Fabric – Blue
281 = Vinyl and Crackles Jacquard Fabric – Green
282 = Vinyl and Crackles Jacquard Fabric – Tan
283 = Vinyl and Crackles Jacquard Fabric – Ivory and Black
285 = Vinyl and Crackles Jacquard Fabric – Red and Black
Anyone correct me please if I am wrong…
I have no idea about last «4» at the trim code digits…
0 = Blue
1 = Green
2 = Tan
3 = Ivory and Black
5 = Red and Black
Is could «4» it GRAY?
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I have some guesses about 1958 Dodge Custom Royal Sedan trim:
Is that really beige and tan on the Pic. No. 1 (code 262)
And a gray and beige on the Pic. No. 2 (code 263) or it has code 264 (because gray)
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In Lancer Mikes 58 Dodge info spreadsheet, a trim code that ends in 4 seems to be "red and black"
as in:
272 = Custom Tan and Brown
173 = Royal lancer coupe Black and White
277 = Regal Bronze and Black
123 = Coronet black and white
225 = Custom Royal Lancer Coupe Red and Black
141 = Coronet deluxe green
121 = Coronet green
144 = Coronet deluxe sedan red and black
273 = Custom black and white convt
275 = Custom Red and Black convt
115 = Coronet red and black
120 = Coronet blue and whte
115 = Coronet
262 = Custom Royal Sedan Beige and Brown
171 = Royal lancer coupe green and white
269 = Custom Royal Sedan black and white
122 = Coronet deluxe beige convt
274 = Custom Royal Coupe Red and Black
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That's true but the facts say otherwise
The last 5 in the trim code 275 says red vinyl and black cloth
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The ?odes 274 and 275 cannot be both red and black...
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Here some my guessing about 1958 Dodge LA-cowl tag:
M3 = 5 = Appearance Deluxe Accessory Group
M4 = 3 = Spring Special Package
M5 = 1 = Left Outside Rear View Mirror
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The codes 274 and 275 cannot be both red and black...
We need Mike in here. He has a
275 = Custom Red and Black convt
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274 = Custom Royal Coupe Red and Black
Your photo looks Spring Special to me (??) and your M4 3 = spring special (??) so that might be the answer too.
And don't forget that LA codes might be different than Detroit codes. Might. Maybe.
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Location: Sept. 1958 | Code 275 is red and black. 2 different reds were used during the year. Regular red earlier, then Poppy Red (Spring/Summer) color, but both used code 275. Detroit same as LA car above. |
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Thanks Matt (christine-lover).
So tell me please what does the last «4» in the '58 Dodge trim codes?
Is that gray or not?
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Here some my guessing about 1958 Dodge LA-cowl tag:
M3 = 5 = Appearance Deluxe Accessory Group
M4 = 3 = Spring Special Package
M5 = 1 = Left Outside Rear View Mirror
To figure these out, you need to look at cars with very little options because it narrows it down more.
My '58 Coronet poly V8 only has M5=1 on the body tag.
It doesn't have solex glass either. But it does have:
Torqueflite
Power steering
Deluxe Appearance Accessory Group:
Plastic Steering Wheel
Electric Clock
Rear Quarter Stone Shields
Deluxe Spinner Wheel Covers - (no, it only had standard wheel covers, maybe they were replaced?)
Radio Accessory Group:
Backup Lights
Heater and Defroster
Left Outside Rear View Mirror
Inside Prismatic Mirror
Radio Music Master
So, M5=1 must either stand for: Radio Accessory Group, Deluxe Appearance Group, Torqueflite, or Power Steering. And, since my car has the Deluxe appearance group, but doesn't have M3=5, that can't be what that stands for either. Also, the TR 141 on the tag already denotes that the car gets the Deluxe Appearance Group, which, I believe includes the custom interior trim as well. So it makes sense that they wouldn't include that a second time on the tag.
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Thanks Matt (christine-lover).
So tell me please what does the last «4» in the '58 Dodge trim codes?
Is that gray or not?
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I’m not sure on that one. Looking at the Ross Roy book, it’s definitely possible.
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Location: The Mile High City | This is great stuff! TRM codes have always been a bit mysterious to me. I was trying to crack them from some observed interiors along with cowl tags, but this list looks to be much more comprehensive.
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Location: The Mile High City | I want to try to tie a couple of things together here... CORONET SEDANS AND LANCER HARDTOPS 110 = Vinyl and Boucle Tweed Fabric – Blue 3585 111 = Vinyl and Boucle Tweed Fabric – Green 3586 112 = Vinyl and Boucle Tweed Fabric – Tan 3570 113 = Vinyl and Boucle Tweed Fabric – Ivory and Black 3588 115 = Vinyl and Boucle Tweed Fabric – Red and Black
CORONET SEDANS AND LANCER HARDTOPS and CONVERTIBLE – CUSTOM TRIM
140 = Vinyl and Boucle Tweed Fabric – Blue 3596 141 = Vinyl and Boucle Tweed Fabric – Green 3597 142 = Vinyl and Boucle Tweed Fabric – Tan 3595 143 = Vinyl and Boucle Tweed Fabric – Ivory and Black 3594 145 = Vinyl and Boucle Tweed Fabric – Red and Black
CORONET SUBURBAN AND SIERRA STATION WAGONS
120 = Vinyl and Boucle Tweed Fabric – Blue 3575? 121 = Vinyl and Boucle Tweed Fabric – Green 122 = Vinyl and Boucle Tweed Fabric – Tan 123 = Vinyl and Boucle Tweed Fabric – Ivory and Black 125 = Vinyl and Boucle Tweed Fabric – Red and Black
ROYAL SEDAN
160 = Vinyl and Memphis Lace Jacquard Nylon Fabric – Blue 161 = Vinyl and Memphis Lace Jacquard Nylon Fabric – Green 162 = Vinyl and Memphis Lace Jacquard Nylon Fabric – Tan 163 = Vinyl and Memphis Lace Jacquard Nylon Fabric – Ivory and Black 165 = Vinyl and Memphis Lace Jacquard Nylon Fabric – Red and Black
ROYAL LANCER HARDTOPS
170 = Vinyl and Marconi Jacquard Fabric – Blue ? 171 = Vinyl and Marconi Jacquard Fabric – Green 172 = Vinyl and Marconi Jacquard Fabric – Tan 173 = Vinyl and Marconi Jacquard Fabric – Ivory and Black 175 = Vinyl and Marconi Jacquard Fabric – Red and Black
CUSTOM ROYAL SEDAN
260 = Fabric and Crackles Jacquard Nylon Fabric – Blue ? 261 = Fabric and Crackles Jacquard Nylon Fabric – Green 262 = Fabric and Crackles Jacquard Nylon Fabric – Beige and Tan 263 = Fabric and Crackles Jacquard Nylon Fabric – Gray and Black
CUSTOM ROYAL LANCER HARDTOPS AND CONVERTIBLE
270 = Vinyl and Gotham Plaid Jacquard Fabric – Blue 3598 271 = Vinyl and Gotham Plaid Jacquard Fabric – Green 3593 272 = Vinyl and Gotham Plaid Jacquard Fabric – Tan 4502 273 = Vinyl and Gotham Plaid Jacquard Fabric – Ivory and Black 4503 275 = Vinyl and Gotham Plaid Jacquard Fabric – Red and Black 3592
276 = Vinyl and Gotham Plaid Jacquard Fabric – Beige and Gold 277 = Vinyl and Gotham Plaid Jacquard Fabric – Bronze and Black (REGAL LANCER ONLY)
CUSTOM ROYAL SIERRA STATION WAGONS
280 = Vinyl and Crackles Jacquard Fabric – Blue 4505? 281 = Vinyl and Crackles Jacquard Fabric – Green 282 = Vinyl and Crackles Jacquard Fabric – Tan 283 = Vinyl and Crackles Jacquard Fabric – Ivory and Black 285 = Vinyl and Crackles Jacquard Fabric – Red and Black
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To Nathan (Powerflite):
Hello Nathan!
I do not dispute anything and do not claim – I just assume...
From the photos of this car, I saw some options that may be (they are there, you can see it in the photo). I appreciate what you said: maybe I was wrong. Thank you for sharing information about the equipment of your car – this can help in the future with the decoding of Los Angeles cars.
The code M5=1 on your car means left exterior mirror. This was stated by D500Neil. I believe that his authoritative opinion is listened to on this site…
Cannot find this tread but he has told the next:
That's an L.A. built car, there. It does not show, however, the typical back-less mounting screws on its P/T plate, but, rather the Phillips-head mounting screws that were used on the Detroit-built cars. Yours is one of the few L.A.-built cars, that I've seen, that does not have the back-less mounting screws on the P/T plate. The P/T plate does show the typical shadow-image of the strip of masking tape that was laid across the P/T plate, when the car body was painted. The L.A. cars have very little optional equipment listed on the P/T's, but yours confirms the LT outside mirror option (big deal). Its Broadcast Sheet and/or IBM Build Cards will confirm the rest of your cars options and OEM equipment data. It was Scheduled to have been built o.o.a. 11/7/57, which is of relatively early build.
Here some pictures about describing car:
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To Nathan (Powerflite):
Hello Nathan!
I do not dispute anything and do not claim – I just assume...
From the photos of this car, I saw some options that may be (they are there, you can see it in the photo). I appreciate what you said: maybe I was wrong. Thank you for sharing information about the equipment of your car – this can help in the future with the decoding of Los Angeles cars.
The code M5=1 on your car means left exterior mirror. This was stated by D500Neil. I believe that his authoritative opinion is listened to on this site…
Cannot find this tread but he has told the next:
That's an L.A. built car, there. It does not show, however, the typical back-less mounting screws on its P/T plate, but, rather the Phillips-head mounting screws that were used on the Detroit-built cars. Yours is one of the few L.A.-built cars, that I've seen, that does not have the back-less mounting screws on the P/T plate. The P/T plate does show the typical shadow-image of the strip of masking tape that was laid across the P/T plate, when the car body was painted. The L.A. cars have very little optional equipment listed on the P/T's, but yours confirms the LT outside mirror option (big deal). Its Broadcast Sheet and/or IBM Build Cards will confirm the rest of your cars options and OEM equipment data. It was Scheduled to have been built o.o.a. 11/7/57, which is of relatively early build.
Here some pictures about describing car:
I respect Neil very much but I disagree with this M5 code explanation. This code always = 1. Also for cars without a mirror.
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Location: So. Cal | Thanks Igor. Neil was often right, but not always. I know that he didn't have a good grasp on the LA tags, as he admitted. Assuming that Neil was wrong, some things we can say for sure:
This car has power brakes, and mine doesn't, yet it isn't listed any differently on the tag. So the power brake option wasn't included on the tag. This car doesn't **appear** to have the radio accessory group, yet does have the left rear view mirror. So M5=1 might indicate the mirror option. This car doesn't have the deluxe appearance group, and mine does, yet the tag is the same M5=1. So the deluxe appearance group isn't listed on the tag. This car has a torqueflite, and mine does too, so that is a possible meaning for M5=1. This car has power steering and mine does too, so that is a possible meaning for M5=1. This car has a heater/defroster and mine does too, so that is a possible meaning for M5=1.
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Could someone please arrange a seance with somebody who worked in management at the LA plant so we can finally get to the bottom of these indecipherable LA codes?
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Here some my guessing about 1958 Dodge LA-cowl tag:
M3 = 5 = Appearance Deluxe Accessory Group
M4 = 3 = Spring Special Package
M5 = 1 = Left Outside Rear View Mirror
The upholstery topic is probably not a good place for this discussion, but...
In my opinion Acc.Group is not shown on the tag.
First, Apperance has code 4 (314)
Secondly, this car has the Apperance group and the M3 code is blank.
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Robert: looks like to be true – this is not an appearance group…
So what could it be?
Here spreadsheet of ’58 Dodge optional codes that ends on the «5»:
THE ITEMS THAT ARE NOT ON THIS CAR:
Power Tail Gate Window
Deluxe Appearance Accessory Group
Blue Convertible Top Color
V8 361CID EFI 333HP Power Plant
Solex Tinted Glass – Windshield Only: it has tinted glass at all windows
Export Right Hand Drive
Front and Rear Heavy Duty Springs = DO NOT KNOW; UNLIKELY
THE ITEMS THAT COULD BE ON THIS CAR:
Heater and Defroster
Front Bumper Guard
Map Light
Car Service
Delivery Route – by Truck
Maybe M3 = 5 = 355 = Front Bumper Guards (teeth)
They were not as standard equipment…
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Thanks Igor. Neil was often right, but not always. I know that he didn't have a good grasp on the LA tags, as he admitted. Assuming that Neil was wrong, some things we can say for sure:
This car has power brakes, and mine doesn't, yet it isn't listed any differently on the tag. So the power brake option wasn't included on the tag. This car doesn't **appear** to have the radio accessory group, yet does have the left rear view mirror. So M5=1 might indicate the mirror option. This car doesn't have the deluxe appearance group, and mine does, yet the tag is the same M5=1. So the deluxe appearance group isn't listed on the tag. This car has a torqueflite, and mine does too, so that is a possible meaning for M5=1. This car has power steering and mine does too, so that is a possible meaning for M5=1. This car has a heater/defroster and mine does too, so that is a possible meaning for M5=1.
M5 code always = 1. This is the only code with the same number for all 1957-59 brands. (1956 is different ).
Many cars have it, it has to be something cheap or desirable.
Sometimes the only selected option is the M5.
This is not a torquflite. Then there would be two codes. The first is for powerflite, the second is for torqueflite. Or three codes - the third code for the three in the tree.
It's not a mirror - M5 = 1 also have cars without mirrors.
So, power steering or heater. Or undercoating maybe.
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Robert: looks like to be true – this is not an appearance group…
So what could it be?
I do not know yet
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