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| I've learned the following about the VIN tag on my Adventurer.
7=DeSoto
2=Adventurer
0=Year (1960)
3= East Jefferson Avenue Plant
Following that first four digit series in six digits, which I am told is the sequence number of the car as it rolled of the line. My question: Does that six digit sequence go for DeSoto to date or just for 1960?
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I just made a post about 1960 Mopar VINs. Not sure if it answers your question or not:
http://www.forwardlook.net/forums/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=76394
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| Thanks a million for that!
Do you know of any way to decipher the production date from either the VIN tag or the fender tag?
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Location: Lower Mainland BC | NC Adventurer - 2021-09-19 11:01 AM
Do you know of any way to decipher the production date from either the VIN tag or the fender tag?
The fender/cowl tag should have the date on it. Typically lower left corner, four digits. First 2 = month, second 2 = day
59 Dodge example (Sept 26 (09 26) (sorry I don't have images of any 60 Desoto cowl tags) but I do have some 60 Desoto build sheet/invoices:
Edited by 56D500boy 2021-09-19 2:20 PM
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Can you post the picture of your data plate? I'll try...
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A typical '60 DeSoto data plate...
It is located on the driver's hinge post
You should have something like this:
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| Afternoon Everyone,
Digging in deeper (after locating the data tag), I've found the following numbers beneath a corresponding letter above it. Beneath the J is a 6, beneath the TV is a 91 and beneath the Y is an 8.
Beneath the paint designation, there is BB1. I understand that one B means black and that the 1 means a single color vehicle, which explains the black top over the black body as compared to the many white topped Adventurers I've seen. What does the second B mean?
What would the difference be between the 806 and 816 trim codes?
Thanks a million for all the help deciphering my data tag.
Does anyone know what those codes mean?
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Location: Lower Mainland BC | NC Adventurer - 2021-09-19 1:38 PM
Beneath the paint designation, there is BB1. I understand that one B means black and that the 1 means a single color vehicle, which explains the black top over the black body as compared to the many white topped Adventurers I've seen. What does the second B mean?
Todd: I think that you are trying to overthink these codes. BB-1 was just the code for all Black. (Save the image below for your files:)
The note at the bottom of the paint chip chart suggests that the first letter of the paint code is the roof colour and the second is the lower body colour. So BB = all black. WB = white roof/black body, etc.
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| That's what I was thinking, too. The roof color was one letter while the body color was another. The one, according to some charts, indicates one color.
I'd actually just like to figure out the other codes (the numbers) beneath the letter line. I'm sure its just options but it would be nice to compare them to the actual car. |
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Location: Lower Mainland BC | NC Adventurer - 2021-09-19 7:24 PM
I'd actually just like to figure out the other codes (the numbers) beneath the letter line. I'm sure its just options but it would be nice to compare them to the actual car.
So basically, you are hoping for answers to this (J6, T9, V1 and Y8) (There are a couple of guys in Europe that will likely have some or all of the answers):
In the meantime, your car was built on or around May 26, 1960. (That's all I've got - I'm a 56 Dodge guy who sometimes has other info to share - like the 60 Adventurer build sheet and invoice (for the same car)):
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J6 = 306 = Adventurer Basic Group No. 2 including (see below):
Heater
Radio
Power Steering
Power Brakes
Windshield Washer
Parking Brake Signal
Electric Clock
Prismatic Mirror
Vanity Mirror
License Plate Frame
Left Outside Rear View Mirror with Remote Control (Group 305 is the same but Mirror LESS Remote Control)
http://www.oldcarbrochures.com/static/NA/DeSoto/1960_DeSoto/1960_De...
T9 = 429 = Rear Seat Speaker
V1 = 441 = Solex Tinted Glass
Y8 = 588 = Undercoating and Underhood Pad
SO 0526 = Scheduled on May 26, 1960
NUMBER 3038 = Yes, it is 38th car built that day
BDY 722 = Adventurer Sportsman 2 Door Hardtop
TRM 806 = Red Cloth and Vinyl Upholstery (see below)
PNT BB1 = Black Roof (B), Black Body (B), Monotone Paint Scheme (1); Two Tones would be (2):
For example: BW2 = Black Roof (B), White Body (W), Two Tone Paint Scheme (2)
No Swivel Seats, Power Windows, Power Seats, Air Conditioning…
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The difference between 806 and 816 would be pattern upholstery; color combos are the similar:
80x trim codes used on Adventurer while 81x trim codes used on Fireflite
Fireflite Trim codes for 1960:
811 = Blue
812 = Green
814 = Gray
816 = Red
818 = Tan
Adventurer Trim codes for 1960:
801 = Blue
802 = Green
804 = Gray
806 = Red
808 = Tan
The trim code 806 vs. 816 (sorry for these pictures with wearing upholsteries):
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Attachments ---------------- 806 front.JPG (48KB - 196 downloads) 806 rear.JPG (39KB - 210 downloads) 816 front.jpg (225KB - 203 downloads) 816 rear.jpg (223KB - 199 downloads)
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Here a little better: trim code 801 vs. 811
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Location: Southern Sweden - Sturkö island | I'd say it's Philips grille and mesh that has been painted Sid?
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This (Probably 806 interior (according to Igor's info) and WB1 Paint):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f-88KQhfpCE
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Location: northern germany | wizard - 2021-09-20 11:35 AM
I'd say it's Philips grille and mesh that has been painted Sid?
Thats it! Thanks! |
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| Yep, that's the 806. Matches mine perfectly. |
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| Following your post, I checked mine. Its exactly the same except for being painted black to match the deck. |
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| I just wanted to thank everyone for their assistance in decoding the data tag on my DeSoto. It confirms that she is exactly as she left the factory all those years ago. The knowledge on the various options is really interesting, too. Thanks a million. |
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Location: Idaho - where men are men and spuds are spuds | Some help on my 1960 Desoto Fireflite, please? BODY DATA PLATE A/2 N/5 T/2 V/1 Y/8 SO NUMBER/0914 3033 BDY/712 TRM/816 PNT/WW1 So here's what I've been able to decifer so far: Desoto Fireflite PS-1; V/1 = solex tinted glass; Y/8 = undercoating & underhood pad; TRM = Red; PNT = Shell White Can't figure out what BDY/712 is. Mine is a 2-dr hardtop. Also can't figure out what A/2 N/5 and T/2 are????? What say you? |
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A2 = 292 = Power Brakes
N5 = 315 = Heater
T2 = 422 = Radio Golden Tone
V1 = 441 = Solex Tinted Glass – All Windows
Y8 = 588 = Undercoating and Underhood Insulating Pad
SO NUMBER 0914 3033 = Scheduled on September 14, 1959; 33th DeSoto Built that Day
BDY 712 = DeSoto (7), Fireflite (1), 2 Door Hardtop (2)
TRM 816 = Red Nylon Bolsters and Red Nylon Thread Fabric Upholstery
PNT WW1 = Shell White – Upper and Lower Colors (WW), Paint Scheme Monotone (1)
Below a Body Codes Available: 71x Fireflites & 72x Adventurers:
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Location: Idaho - where men are men and spuds are spuds | You're johnny-on-the-spot! Thank you. |
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Location: Idaho - where men are men and spuds are spuds | Holy cow, Dianielle, at Chrysler Historical, turned my build record request around in less tha a week! Copy is below. I don't know how to read it. Are the little black punch marks supposed to line up with number codes on the left to mean something? Well, crap. It won't copy/paste or attach. It's a PDF file.
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Location: Lower Mainland BC | Mope R. Geezer - 2022-07-08 11:46 AM
Holy cow, Dianielle, at Chrysler Historical, turned my build record request around in less tha a week! Copy is below. I don't know how to read it. Are the little black punch marks supposed to line up with number codes on the left to mean something? Well, crap. It won't copy/paste or attach. It's a PDF file.
Dear Mr. Geezer: I just sent you an email to your outlook account. The email says:
"Send me your IBM card pdf and I will process it enough to post it on the Forum. Right now the pdf is too big.
Dave F (56D500Boy)"
The black lines are the hole punches and they don't necessarily line up with the lettering. As shown below (56 Dodge example)
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Bill: Got it. Processed it (to jpg). Sent it (two versions). Posted it (below):
(Sorry, the originals are never properly focused and I do not have NCIS software)
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Location: PL / EU | Hi Bill. In the letter from Danielle, there is usually dealer name. Can you share the this name? |
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Bill - Thanks for sharing!
Here some options from your card:
283 = Transmission – 3 Speed Automatic Torqueflite
291 = Power Steering
292 = Power Brakes
315 = Heater
402 = Roof Molding for 2 Door Hardtop; your cars has optional wide chrome roof side moldings, just above roof rail moldings
413 = Rear Quarter Stone Shields
422 = Radio Golden Tone (less Rear Seat Speaker)
431 = Safety Padded Instrument Panel
441 = Solex Tinted Glass
501 = Stainless Steel Wheel Covers
523 = 3.31 to 1 Rear Axle Ratio
534 = 35 Amperes Generator
554 and 562 (42) = White Side Wall Tires – 8.00 x 14 Rayon
588 = Undercoating and Under Hood Insulating Pad
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If anyone is interested… the optional order codes to the picture below:
1) LICENSE PLATE FRAME – Order Code 361
2) BUMPER GUARDS – Order Code 345
3) WHEEL COVERS – Order Code 501
4) STONE DEFLECTORS – Order Code 413
5) SILL AND WHEELHOUSE MOLDINGS WITH STONE DEFLECTORS – Order Code 414
6) 4 DOOR ROOF MOULDING PACKAGE – Order Code 403
7) 2 DOOR ROOF MOULDING PACKAGE – Order Code 402
8) FRONT FENDER ORNAMENT – Order Code 395
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Location: Idaho - where men are men and spuds are spuds | Yes, RDP, it was Genthe Motor Sales, Lincoln Park, MI. |
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Location: PL / EU | Mope R. Geezer - 2022-07-10 5:17 PM
Yes, RDP, it was Genthe Motor Sales, Lincoln Park, MI.
Thanks, added to the list. |
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