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d500neil
Posted 2007-07-13 4:37 PM (#89690)
Subject: It's "in" the bag!



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Just looking closely at "Naomi's (Modesty 1957) " excellent pics, of Tulsarama.

It looks to me that the plastique-baggee may have been stitched together, with cotton thread.

As Julia Roberts was heard to say, in a certain movie : "Big mistake!".

At first, I was all-set to blame the baggee's failure solely upon the fact that the baggee was draped
over the rear fins, but, I believe that the baggee's failure was pre-ordained by the deterioration
of its seam-stitching (as well as from the effects of gravity & H2O/dirt-weight).

Of course, given the water intrusion into the vault, any void would have sufficed, and, that
enclosed baggee was probably considered as being "over-kill" , in protection, in 1957.

I especially liked viewing Naomi's pics of the support-cradle, and its 6 tubular posts, which
elevated the car off its suspension.

It's too bad, now, that more "detail" photos were not taken of the car, before its burial, but has
anyone else noticed that the car, in addition to not having been undercoated, had gloss-black
painted hood bracing?

The generator bracket was finished in silver, not black.

AND, given that the car was a stripper model, it DID come with a Jiffy Jet!

Hell, my own car, delivered to Indiana, didn't have a W/S washer system!

I guess that a properly-restored non-undercoated car SHOULD have a bright-shiney gas tank,
though!

This may be a complete reversal, of my original opinion about the eventual owning-museum's
displaying the car, in its as-unearthed condition, but, I am of the opinion that a complete
physical cleaning of the car would reveal its EXTERIOR to be in relatively good condition!

That said, someone else had proposed an exactly one-half cleaning-off of it, so that one
side would be as-unearthed, and the other half would be cleaned-up.

Given that the car will never be able to be driven, I would not lose any sleep, if the museum
made a Jeckle-and-Hyde (or a yin-yang/Cheech-Chong ; whatever...) display out of it,
on an illuminated turntable; maybe even force-open the door, on the 'cleaned-side', for a
good look into the interior.






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57plymouth
Posted 2007-07-13 6:29 PM (#89708 - in reply to #89690)
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Neil, I think you are one of the best assets to this board, but give it up.

That stupid bad could never never never never NEVER NEVER have kept that car in good shape. I don't give a tiny rat's ass how well it was put together. The weight of the water pushing against the air in the car, plus all the sharp edges poking at the undercariage would absolutely have ruptured the bag and allowed water in.

THE CAR WAS DOOMED IN 1957!!!!

But you are right about the details. There is a wealth of info that can still be gleaned from it.
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Mope R. Geezer
Posted 2007-07-13 6:49 PM (#89712 - in reply to #89690)
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Rebels-59
Posted 2007-07-13 6:59 PM (#89713 - in reply to #89712)
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Maybe it should have been put in a CONDOM..... Nothing is mean,t to get through them Suckers............... And if it did, We could have had Lots of ??????????
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1955Coronado
Posted 2007-07-13 7:39 PM (#89725 - in reply to #89690)
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Interesting.

I know there was contraceptives back then, but was there actual condoms in 1957?
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d500neil
Posted 2007-07-13 7:51 PM (#89728 - in reply to #89690)
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You mean: that's NOT your photograph, Bill?

BTW, as far as Glenn Patch's (aka: 57 Heaven, in Branson, MO) interest, in the car, he COULD just place it right NEXT to his
own gold/white 57 Belvie, which was displayed by Bob Schnidt, master-MoPar-restorer, at the Invitational Car show!

I don't know how much wave-action, there would have been, inside the vault, but the hydrostatic pressure of the water, inside
the vault would have been considerable.

Which came first, the physical deterioration (my guess) of the stitching, or the tearing asunder (probably as the result of
water and dirt entering the bag) I dunno---I would be curious to know how "advertisedly" water-tight that baggee was supposed
to be, though!

I also wonder about the extent of any discussion, regarding possibly putting the car in a welded-up steel container, instead of
wrapping it in a baggee????

The car WAS doomed, in 1957; it was just that nobody knew it---kinda like the Titanic.








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d500neil
Posted 2007-07-13 7:53 PM (#89729 - in reply to #89690)
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Oops; that's Bob SCHMIDT; I knew that.......
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57plymouth
Posted 2007-07-13 9:02 PM (#89737 - in reply to #89690)
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That bag wasn't waterproof. No way.

Besides, this was all a publicity stunt thrown together at the last minute in 1957. No one actually really believed this thing would be in good shape 50 years later. They had the time capsule already figured out, the car was an afterthought. Hence the crappy swimming pool. Tulsa's planners didn't think that anyone would really care in 2007. They only wanted the publicity for burying a new car. They got what they were after, and they didn't care what happened to the car after that.
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d500neil
Posted 2007-07-14 5:00 PM (#89804 - in reply to #89690)
Subject: Re: It's "in" the bag!



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mean58fury
Posted 2007-07-26 10:15 PM (#91169 - in reply to #89690)
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I agree with Brain. That's why I believe that the car should get as far from Tulsa as possible. They did enough damage do it.

Doug
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