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Location: The Mile High City | Condition:
This is a "pretty much" original 1958 Plymouth Belvedere sport coupe with it's original interior and original paint (iceberg white roof and canyon gold body). It shows 95,300 miles on the odometer as of today. If you read Old Cars Price Guide this car has a split personality. The passenger side and the front are in condition four while the driver side and the back are in condition three. The best thing about the car is the interior, which is in condition two. The floor pans and trunk pan are solid and rust free. I repaired a rust spot in the trunk which was bigger than a golf ball but smaller than a tennis ball by cutting out the rust and placing a fiberglass patch in. Normally, I would consider this a bad repair, but the hole was small enough that I think it is adequate (and I am pretty critical).
The front fenders are rusted through in the eyebrows. The passenger side has rust through in the bottom of the front fender, the rocker, and the quarter fore and aft of the rear wheel well. The driver side is not bad, with a few rust bubbles starting to form in the rear quarter aft of the wheel well and a small area of rust through under the stone guard in front of the wheel well.
The engine is a 318 with a powerpak (four barrel and dual exhaust). It runs well, has a bit of blow by and burns oil. It drips a bit of oil when it is hot, but not a bunch. Torqueflite transmission shifts fine and does not leak. Brakes are all reconditioned, but are the original total-contact drums. No power steering, no power brakes, no power windows, no power seats. Original options for the car are the powerpak, safety group, sportone inserts, and back-up light delete. The car is complete with the exception of rear end caps for the headliner.
I drive the car every summer and I drove the car to work today. The car runs and drives well. The car has some electrical quirks: I have to press the gas pedal down to turn the starter motor, gas gauge doesn't work, clock doesn't work, dome light is out, horn doesn't work, and the push button lights work intermittently. All other controls, gauges and the radio work well and operate as they should. I have owned the car since 2001 and I have complete records from my ownership. The original paint is thin, but reflective again. The finish now beads water, but I wax it frequently to keep the shine up. There are little dings here and there all over the body, but no serious dents.
I enjoy driving the car as it is. However, I think I have pressed the "original" label to my absolute limit. I think it may take some adjustments for both the new owner and the car to achieve another balance, but if you can achieve that balance - the car is ready to enjoy and drive for the summer and can be enjoyed and driven for years to come. If the new owner is not concerned with originality, then let the restoration begin - to whatever level you want. All the car's flaws are readily visible and fully disclosed to the best of my ability.
What I have done to the car:
Five new correct gum-dipped Firestone wide white wall pneumatic bias-ply tires from Coker
New exhaust pipes and mufflers
New front butt rest with correct, matching fabric and vinyl
New arm rest pads
New clear seat covers
New correct carpet with original heel pad
Rebuilt carburetor (twice)
New incorrect fuel pump
New fuel line
Rebuilt and reconditioned gas tank with drain plug
Rebuilt total-contact drum brakes on all four wheels
Rechromed rear bumper
Added rechromed front and rear bumper guards with all correct hardware and black-painted undersides
Installed new dash pad from Just Dashes
Replaced original steering wheel with optional two-tone wheel and optional horn ring.
Replaced original back-up light delete plate (damaged) with incorrect copy
Waxed the holy bejeepers out of the original, totally oxidized paint.
What comes with the car:
Clear, State of Colorado title + receipt
Set of front fenders from a 1957 Plymouth in good condition with metal eyebrow patches
Front and rear bumper
Extra wheel cover and a set of hubcaps
Original wheel and horn ring
Extra optional horn ring
Extra fender ornaments and miscellaneous trim
All records and literature (owner's manual, repair manual, etc.)
Extra trunk mats (not too good)
Car cover
Correct carburetor and steel fuel line
Exclusions:
I think I will keep the four-point seatbelt. I will replace it with the lap belt that matches the passenger side. I don't think these lap belts were original to the car. I believe that they were purchased from Sears in the 1960's. I will also keep the license plates, frames, and covers.
Price:
$14,000 USD. $500 non-refundable deposit due immediately then we need to close the deal within a reasonable time. You can come out and kick the tires and drive the car around. If you don't like it, we won't do the deal - but I'll keep the $500. I don't want to haggle with the price. I go back and forth on this, but I think the car is well worth every penny in comparison with similar cars. If you ever wanted to own one of these, now is the time! If I wind up advertising in Hemmings and on eBay, I will list it for $15,000. Please send me a personal message if you are interested.
Thanks, Mike
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Location: new york | Hi Mike sent you a e-mail. Please dont sell this car to someone with a bucket of Red paint! |
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Location: Lemoore CA | From the pictures, it looks like the rust is in very fixable areas, you should get your price. Nice car! |
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Location: Auckland, New Zealand. | NICE HONEST ORIGINAL CAR! |
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Location: Voss,Norway | old mopar guy - 2008-04-10 5:10 AM
Hi Mike sent you a e-mail. Please dont sell this car to someone with a bucket of Red paint!
Victor
I agree with you.
What a great color combo.
Can just imagine how it looked like on the showroom floor. 
No red paint on this please...........
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Location: The Mile High City | Hello all:
Thanks for the kind words and comments. Several people have personal messages in to me. I came down with pink eye Thursday morning, but I am on the mend now and I am trying to get caught up again. I will reply to everyone. Thanks for your patience.
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Location: Belgium, 40 miles south of Brussels | Very very very nice car 
I had never seen that color combo before on a '58 Plymouth, and my, does it look fabulous !!
It is also a great survivor, because if I understood well, no body work was ever done on her.
So, even if corrosion is present on certain spots, it shows that some '58 Plymouth were able to go through the trials of time without too much problems !
One picture puzzles me though : the undercarriage one where we see the fuel tank.
We see a "L" shaped steel bar bolted to the frame and going to the back of the frame.
What is the use of that bar ? I do not have it on mine ....
Is that part of a towing package ?
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Location: Philadelphia, PA | Nice car (even in its current condition)! How much do you want for it (her??)? A split personality! Like Christine! Haha.
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Location: The Mile High City | Hi, Vincent:
I suspect it may have been some sort of strengthening for towing. The original back-up light delete plate had a cicular hole in it like a hole that may have accommodated a pigtail for towing. However, there was no hitch on the car when I bought it and not much other evidence of towing capability other than the L iron and the hole in the delete plate. I have heard that you could get a hitch that mounts on the bumper without drilling holes in the bumper or the frame. Sounds risky to me.
Oh, and you are correct - no evidence of body work or accidents on this one!
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Location: The Mile High City | Hi, Gabrielle:
Thanks! I have it for sale for $14,000 - I go back and forth on whether that is ridiculously expensive for this car or a good deal! It has a lot of flaws, but they are all out in the open. |
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Location: The Mile High City | Joe and Erik both had very good questions about the car: I took some photos of corrosion on the deck where the c-pilar ends. Also, Joe asked about the inner rockers. When I run my hand on the back of the rockers, under the car - everything feels fine. However - As I look inside one of the rust spots on the passenger side rocker just below the rear corner of the passenger door, I see corroded metal inside the rocker.
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Location: Grove, Oklahoma | Mike... please contact me asap... sent you an email... not sure if you received it... coach... coachou@yahoo.com |
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Location: Colorado | I drove Mikes car recently, although it's not perfect it is worth every penny he is asking for it. Not to often you see an all orginal car like this. You know exactly what your getting. I agree, the orginal paint scheme is great on this car.
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Location: Lemoore CA | A few years ago, it would have been ridiculously expensive, now, I think it is a fair deal, I imagine you have been flooded with emails and post messages on this one. I'm not trying to down play anyones cars popularity, but it seems like the two most desired forward look cars are 58 Plymouths and 59 Dodges, the two door hardtops maybe even more so, because most people feel convertibles are out of their price range to start with. |
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| old mopar guy - 2008-04-09 11:10 PM
Hi Mike sent you a e-mail. Please dont sell this car to someone with a bucket of Red paint!
LOL!! I have a gallon of red and a gallon of white...  |
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Location: The Mile High City | Hi, James:
Yep, a nickel ain't worth a dime anymore!  I kind of hope my Plymouth keeps pace with the price of gas. I know my paycheck sure hasn't! I have had some very tempting offers so far, but I will try to stick it out just a while longer. |
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Location: Philadelphia, PA | Lancer Mike - 2008-04-11 4:33 PM
Hi, Gabrielle:
Thanks! I have it for sale for $14,000 - I go back and forth on whether that is ridiculously expensive for this car or a good deal! It has a lot of flaws, but they are all out in the open. Okay thanks. I was like, "How does he know my name?!" Then I realized you probably looked at my profile. Once I have 14 K...whenever THAT is! |
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Location: The Mile High City | Joe Caldwell "Christine's Revenge" from Harrison, New York, agreed to purchase the car. If Joe decides he does not want the car for any reason, Erik Peterson "57Belvie" from the Great State of Washington, has agreed to buy the car in Joe's stead. I had to apologize to Erik: both offers came in nearly at the same time, but I had talked to Joe on the phone first. Joe had expressed interest when he saw the car on the Rocky Mountain Region page. I will miss this car very much! Thank you all.
Mike
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Location: Harrison, NY | Hello to all from New York!!!! I want to thank Mike for the honest way he does buisness. Fortunatly I saw the car prior to most including Mr. Erik Peterson. I just want to say this car will NOT BE PAINTED RED/WHITE although I love the Christine Plymouth's. I currently am building a Christine with a blown 392 Hemi for a cover of a major magazine along with Keith Gordon. This car when done will be at SEMA as well. The 58 is an absolute dream come true for me. This car will be 100% original and you all will be proud. I want to thank Mike Sutherland for his honest buisness dealings and apologize to Erik and anyone who did not get the Belvy. This car will not be for sale with me god willing. Thanks to my friends Mike S., Jimmy and John from NJ,Johnny G from Florida, John big M auto, and Tim Lidl from North Dekota. Thanks again, God Bless Joe Caldwell- Christine's Revenge |
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Location: Lemoore CA | old mopar guy - 2008-04-09 11:10 PM
Hi Mike sent you a e-mail. Please dont sell this car to someone with a bucket of Red paint! I don't mind red Plymouths, they are pretty, but what I really like are Torreodor red Savoys with a black roof and side spear, it dosen't get much sharper than that. |
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Location: new york | I like red Plymouths Too! My 57 conv is Carnival red and white (It was repainted in 1984) I also owned a Christine movie car back in the late 80s, And a all original 57 red and black Belvedere with 19 thousand miles . I just hate to see enery 57-58 Plymouth hardtop become a RED Christine clone . That being said .TO EACH THEIR OWN!!!!
HAPPY MOTORING!!!! RED OR NOT!
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Location: Henderson, T.N. | If I had the money I would buy it but I have my 57 belv still so I guess I will keep her.Nice car. |
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Location: Philadelphia, PA | Old mopar guy, I'm assuming your car isn't for sale? It's beautiful. All of them are nice. But back to the original car, what an unusual color combo! It's very nice! |
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Location: Kulpmont, Pa USA | Have you sold this car yet?? Would you leave me know if it's still for sale?? |
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| Hi mike , do you still have the 58 Belvedere ? Will you consider a trade on it? I have a 1979 corvette L82 matching #s car that is in great shape. If you are intersted let me know . |
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Location: Harrison, NY | Hi Everyone, I have completed the sale of this 58 Plymouth and would like to thank Mike S. for such a great deal and for being patient with the shipper. This Plymouth is not for sale nor do I want to trade for any other nice cars. Thanks for the interests. Joe C. from NY |
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Location: The Mile High City | Yep, Joe is the new owner and all that needs to happen now is the safe transport of the car from Colorado to New York. It is funny how many offers I have had on the car since Joe bought it. I think he could probably sell it for a profit if he wanted to, but after talking with him - I think he will own and enjoy this car for a long time to come! I am going to miss it very, very much! I hope Joe will keep me and all of us informed about this wonderful car and everything that he does to it. |
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Location: Netherlands | Even I have been thinking about this car, but knowing myself it's "too original" for me, which would be a shame. ;o)
Congrats to the new owner!
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Location: Philadelphia, PA | Agreed! I couldn't have another car anyway. My Corolla still has that nice new car smell and only 1800 or 1900 miles! I'm not bragging, I'm merely stating why I really don't need another car.  |
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Location: Grove, Oklahoma | not worth much unless its red & white anyway.... we are awaiting our beautiful 58 christine from nebraska... due to arrive november 1.... was always the first choice before we got the actual movie car so all is well... (this ought to stir up a few feathers) |
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Location: Big pimpin' | Red and white 58's Forever.............Long live Christine....The most famous F. look car................. |
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Location: Buffalo, NY | axelfoley - 2008-05-12 5:16 PM
not worth much unless its red & white anyway.... we are awaiting our beautiful 58 christine from nebraska... due to arrive november 1.... was always the first choice before we got the actual movie car so all is well... (this ought to stir up a few feathers)
Actual Movie Car? tell us more! |
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| the Movie car referred to in this post, is Bill Gibson's car in Florida (Coach's old car) |
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Location: Grove, Oklahoma | dukeboy - 2008-05-12 5:55 PM
Red and white 58's Forever.............Long live Christine....The most famous F. look car.................
THANKS DUKEBOY... U-DE-MAN!
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Location: Poznan, Poland, Europe | Hehe is it me or does every 57/8 Plymouth thread ends on the red/white subject ? To me it's a little bit funny...coming from a country where choosing a colour of a car in that era was impossible and even was a thing that could lead to not having a car ( as all the examples available were not the color you wanted, you had a choice, take what's there or go wait in a row again), it's strange to pursue the same uniformisation in a country which offered a rainbow of colours for cars. Ours were mostly yellow or greyish white, and for a dude too young to remember 1957, it must seem that there was restriction "you can have it in any 2 tone colours cheme you want as long as it's red with white" |
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Location: Harrison, NY | Hi axelfoley, Listen I have a Christine that will be at SEMA as well as on a cover of a major magazine as one of the best in the country. I will have about $130K. , So I agree long live Christine Plymouth's, however an original 58 Plymouth will always be worth the same or more as time goes on. So lets not insult other 58 Plymouth owners who have awesome cars. Best regards, Joe
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Location: The Mile High City | I am a bit of a traditionalist: for me, if the data plate matches the color of the car, fine; otherwise, you have to consider subtracting the cost of converting it back. |
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Location: The Mile High City | Good bye, Plymouth!!!
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Location: Philadelphia, PA | Wow, she's a beauty! Too bad you had to sell her off! Hopefully, she'll have a good new home. (You would think I'm talking about a pet, rather than a car!) Haha. |
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1958 Plymouth Belvedere sport coupe
