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Rebels-59
Posted 2008-08-06 7:09 PM (#140587)
Subject: 1959 Dodge Hood Insulation Mystery.(Fibre)...?????????????



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Neil recently started a thread about Hood Insulation ( Spray On ).

This brought up the Subject of Fibre Panels Under the Hood from NEW for Insulation...

QUESTION..........
Does anyone else have Fibre Pavel Insulation on their 59 Dodge OR any PIC,s of known 59,s....... And does anyone have a 59 Dodge which was Undercoated from New BUT the Under Hood left Bare.. As my Buildsheet has a Mystery 319 Code, Another member thought it was for the " Custom " package interior on a Coronet,, But after speaking to Neil, He has some other Buildsheets for " Custom Coronets " and their buildsheets do Not list the 319 Option... So it may be my Mystery 319 could be the Fibre panels on the Hood..

Hope this makes Sense,, I will post some PIC,s below.. But the Panels are Cut and Shaped Perfect to the Hood, There was 4 panels in total ,But the front one has fell to pieces before i bought the Car 4 1/2 years ago.. As you will see, there is No undercoat underneath the Fibre. Also the fibre panels look rough As the surface has fell off over the years and they are Sagging in places.. But the Glue used was very thick..

I am looking for 1959 Only,, As the Hoods on a 57 & 58 only had the short braces near the Hinges, Where as the 59 had a Full Hood Brace , again can be seen in PIC,s..

Any Help or Opinion would be GREAT..........
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Posted 2008-08-06 7:10 PM (#140588 - in reply to #140587)
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Posted 2008-08-06 7:11 PM (#140590 - in reply to #140588)
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Rebels-59
Posted 2008-08-06 7:14 PM (#140593 - in reply to #140587)
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I haven,t ruled out that the Bottom of the Fibre MAY of had like a tar covering finish.....

Thanks
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Posted 2008-08-06 7:28 PM (#140596 - in reply to #140593)
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SO: all you factory-undercoated 1959 Dodge owners out there; are your hoods 'plain', or does your car(s) have anything applied, or attached, to the hoods' undersides (like Clive's car, here)?

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Posted 2008-08-07 2:53 PM (#140651 - in reply to #140593)
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Clive, I think you're right on that one! I have the Undercoating and Underhood Silencer Pad on my 60 Saratoga - by the look of it it's exactly the same material (we call it "glasswool" in Sweden) and mine has a "skin" that it kind of "papery" but soft and black. Half of mine fell off so I had to take it away so it didn't ended up in the fan. Under that pad, there's only the normal paint.

Even if this info concerns a 60 and Chrysler, I hope that it helped you.

Oh and as I came to think of it, I have that kind of insulation plates on my house. They are mounted inside the "foot" of the roof as "windstoppers". Maybe you could by this type of insulation still and cut out you're own new ones from them - I will check this in Sweden.

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Rebels-59
Posted 2008-08-07 5:03 PM (#140670 - in reply to #140587)
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SVEN..

Thanks Very Much for the Info..... The Skin Finish sounds Very Plausible... This is how i imagined it would have been... I don,t suppose you took any PIC,s before you removed yours..........

We have the same Fibre material in our Homes ( as Loft / Attic ) in the Roof as Insulation to keep the Heat in.. I will have to Eventually remove the remains of the Hood insulation, But want to find a Replacement first.. I was toying with the idea of getting some Floor Pane Tar Material and cutting it too shape and then sticking it under the Hood,, OR i could remove it All and just Paint it the Body Colour, BUT this is how the 59 Chrysler is. and although it looks great , I do prefer insulation...

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Posted 2008-08-07 5:09 PM (#140672 - in reply to #140587)
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I have half of it still in the car Clive and the other half is saved - will post pictures here when I'm back home
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Rebels-59
Posted 2008-08-08 6:16 PM (#140787 - in reply to #140587)
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Has any one got any PIC,s of a 59 Dodge Hood with ANY insulation fitted... ????????

The Fibre Material seems to be OEM,,, Just wondering IF they also has Spray on Undercoat as another option..

I had a Customer Today EVENTUALLY pick up his 1966 Ferd Galaxy Convertible ( Right hand Drive, Been here ALL it,s life )which i finished Welding for him October 1997.. Bad news -he dropped off a 1963 Ferd Thunderbird for Welding , which has been in a Barn for 6 years,, Car came to the UK from New , although IS Left Hand Drive , Also have to get it Runnning,,, Anyway it also has a Cloth Fibre like Material fitted to the Under Hood from New..
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d500neil
Posted 2008-08-08 6:21 PM (#140788 - in reply to #140787)
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Clive, have you gone back and looked at those 59 Coros that I (ok: YOU) posted, early-on, in this Board's history,
to check out their hood-conditions? A couple of them may have had their hoods be opened.
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Posted 2008-08-08 6:38 PM (#140796 - in reply to #140788)
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d500neil - 2008-08-08 11:21 PM

Clive, have you gone back and looked at those 59 Coros that I (ok: YOU) posted, early-on, in this Board's history,
to check out their hood-conditions? A couple of them may have had their hoods be opened.


YEP..................

http://www.forwardlook.net/forums/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=14212&...

Been and Checked ALL the Pic,s .. Only about 1 Car with the Hood open, and it doesn,t reaaly show anything...

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Posted 2008-08-09 8:14 AM (#140839 - in reply to #140796)
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Clive, I have the pic's now - I was wrong, there's no "skin". Think more like two perforated steelrollers, where the glasswool is passed through and pressed, adding some blackish "tar"??? to one of the rollers. That means that one side is more compact and "harder" than the untreatened side. Anyway, some insulation plates will maybe do when we are fixing it up.





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Posted 2008-08-09 4:01 PM (#140862 - in reply to #140839)
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Clive's car does show some evidence of having that textured-black surface-finish on his insulator, too.

The paint-finish on Clive's hood underside is interesting, too. It should have received a uniform application of
enamel paint, and., I'll bet that it did get one. But, note how the turquoise paint has been gently worn-away, by all that
high-speed, reckless (and: wreckless!) driving that its owners subjected it 'to'.

Just kidding (I think), but, that gray-shade is the OEM primer-sealer; why the paint-guy didn't apply a uniform coat of
turquoise, I dunno!

The turquoise/primer interface appears to be a gently-flowing overspray onto the center and rear areas of the hood (note the
shape-edges at the sides of the hood, where the paint overflowed the reinforcements).

Maybe that painter thought that the center-bracings would get covered by the insulation (or, maybe the car was painted on a
MON/TUES/WED/THU/FRI)....

I'm now getting serious, for a moment: the real beauty and benefit of Clive's & Sven's cars is their SURVIVING, and being able
to show someone how the factory built a car, as opposed to the appearance of all those pagent-auction-queens, with their
CLEAR-COATED rotisserie undercarriages!!!!

Clive's under-hood fairly-well shows how a real-world OEM undercariage appeared-----fairly-well-applied gray-blue primer, with
OEM paint-finish overspray flowing across the floor pans, at right-angles to the body, as the painter bent down to paint the
lower extremities of the car, from all four angles.

Fortunately for those of us with OEM undercoating, the undercoating-boys blasted-away with the mastic, effectively burying all that
lovely OEM-finish appearance.

All we, truly, have to do, to restore our undercoated undercarriages, is to keep them clean, and to re-apply gloss-black paint
to the mastic, to make it look all-shiney-and-new.

There shouldn't be any undercoating applied to the frame rails, and the OEM almost-gloss "Alkyd" enamel which was put onto
the frame rails contrasts very nicely with a NON-undercoated car's undercarriage!

BTW, some/most undercoated cars did get undercoating applied to the gas tanks, later-on, on the Line, when the undercoating
was also applied to the inner fenders and hood-underside, BUT......there is now an IMP on Epay, which is in original cndition,
with an OEM undercoated body pan, but, its gas tank was NOT 'hit' with any undercoat.

I received some 'extra' pics of that car, and should be able to send 'em to Clive, to post either as a new thread, here, or on the
Craigslist Board, where the car has been posted, previoysly, by Clive.




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Posted 2008-08-10 4:01 AM (#140924 - in reply to #140862)
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BTW, some/most undercoated cars did get undercoating applied to the gas tanks, later-on, on the Line, when the undercoating
was also applied to the inner fenders and hood-underside, BUT......there is now an IMP on Epay, which is in original cndition,
with an OEM undercoated body pan, but, its gas tank was NOT 'hit' with any undercoat.




Ditto.........

Inner Fenders and Everything else including in the Trunk on the Inner Quarters was Undercoated on the Dodge, BUT they Never undercoated the Gas Tank....

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Posted 2008-08-11 9:02 PM (#141124 - in reply to #140924)
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Clive, your car must have been built on a bad-mood day.

Unless there's a Technical Service Bulletin that I haven't seen, regarding gas tanks, the gas tanks USUALLY got a hit of
undercoating (which sometimes/usually involved a spray, onto the sides of the gas tank; but not-always!!!) when the inner
fenders got their application of that mastic stuff.

As assembled on the Chassis-Line, none of the undercarriage stuff got undercoated, at least until the body was "dropped" onto
the chassis, at the Body Drop station.

I've got a neat photo of that operation that I'll PM to Clive, for posting here.....




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Posted 2008-08-12 2:35 PM (#141166 - in reply to #141124)
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Posted 2008-08-12 3:52 PM (#141174 - in reply to #141166)
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There's the ol' Body Drop station, on the Line.

Note the non-painted upper and lower control arms, suspension components ( tie rod ends visible, here) and prop-shaft,
the frame-markings, and the completely silver-painted engine.

AND, there appears to be two Build Sheets lying on top of the frame rail.

That red/white car is being mated to a chassis, ahead of the one, in the foreground.

The chassis in the forefround is a single-exhaust (note the single muffler), 2-barrel V/8.

The car looks to have blackwall tires, with a full-width 'plain' hubcap, and with the standard eggshell-
painted wheels (the outer edge of which is visible, betweeen the hubcap & the blackwall tire.)







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Posted 2008-08-12 4:01 PM (#141179 - in reply to #140587)
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And, the car in front does not appear to have been undercoated : RIP ( Rust In Pieces )....but, at least, its trunk is
(still) standing fully upright!

The car in front is either a Royal, but with (non-regulation) black end-of-fin-caps (only Coro's were supposed to have black
'caps'; Roy's were to have shiny-aluminum guys, like the CRL's had), OR: the car is a Coro, but with the "V" emblem, on the trunk (which all
Coronets were NOT supposed to have be installed on them; that "V" did NOT confirm the existence of a V/8 engine in the car!)

As Roy's have been seen to have the black end-of-fin-caps installed on them, I'm thinking that it IS a Royal model.




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Posted 2008-08-27 4:40 PM (#142904 - in reply to #141179)
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Do you have any of this knowledge documented anywhere Neil?

My '57 New Yorker has EXACTLY the same markings in the insulation as wizard's underhood shot - but mine has this material in the trunk!

(cut me some slack, this picture was taken before I bought the car! ;))



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Posted 2008-08-27 6:44 PM (#142928 - in reply to #142904)
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Which "knowledge" in particular, Danny?

The fin-caps, the undercoating, the masking-off and painting of the trunk under-sides?

Some info comes from factory literature, but THAT has been shown or demonstrated to be inaccurate, very often.

A lot of my information comes from real-car (unrestored) observations; the BEST documentation is on Technical Service
Bulletins, and assembly line, and post-production photographs.

for example, I would really appreciate seeing what your NY'ers trunk's inner wheel wells, and trunk floor looks like, underneath
the OEM cardboard liners, and trunk mat, to confirm what/how the trunk hinge supports got over-sprayed with body paint,
and to see the extent of the overspray onto the insides of the 1/4 panels and onto the trunk floor.

I'd also like to see the extent that the factory painted the UNDERSIDE of the parcel shelf area!













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Posted 2008-08-27 6:49 PM (#142930 - in reply to #140587)
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BTW, that riveted-together cardboard liner, that goes behind the gas filler tube is extremely difficult to install, with
Gary Goers' correct-appearing, aftermarket riveted-trunk-liner, without tearing a portion of that liner, in moving and positioning it around, behind that filler tube.

The OEM trunk liners were obviously installed after the trunk area was painted, but HOW they got that liner quickly
and un-damagedly, installed, I dunno!!!








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Posted 2008-08-27 9:10 PM (#142946 - in reply to #142930)
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I'll try to get some pictures for you Neil. I have the cardboard liners out of the trunk right now, they were mostly ruined anyway and I'm keeping them for patterns.

The undercoat is about all that you see inside the trunk floor right now - well, that and a vast expanse of perfect trunk floor! The wheel houses and parcel tray haven't got a lot of paint on them. I'll try to document it.
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Posted 2008-08-27 9:46 PM (#142951 - in reply to #142946)
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Danny, you don't need to keep those cardboard liners, except for general information/reference material, as Gary Goers
makes and sells perfect repro cardboard liners.

Just make SURE to specify that you want the tan 2-piece riveted ones, and not the GRAY-1-piece ones.

Or, send him a pic of yours.

What I had to do, WHEN I tore my new G.G. trunk liner, trying to get it to go under/around that fuel filler tube, was
to glue the torn section together, with Elmers (held together with vice grips overnite) and then, I sanded the Elmers-fix-area (it took
several applications of Elmers, with finger-floating of it, over/around that repair area) to get a smooth repair surface, for painting.

I then went to my friendly hardware shop and had them custom blend some gloss latex in the precise color of the liner (based upon those
color-sample-swatches they have), and then I merely PAINTED the two liners (for an identical color-shade-gloss
appearance match) and, now you can't tell that the G.G. liner was ever torn!!!

Things I do......








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Posted 2008-08-27 9:57 PM (#142953 - in reply to #140587)
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Another trick you can do, with the TAN liners, IF you keep the OEM ones, for reference......is make sure that the G.G re-pops
have the same rectangular hinge cut-out areas/size.

Mine were made a tad too short, so that the hinge slices into the bottom of the rectangular cut out, when the trunk closes, tearing into the liner slightly.

You can check your OEM liners' hinge cut-out areas against Gary's, and merely cut out the bottom-area of Gary's to create a same-size and shape
opening, so that your trunk hinge will swing-down "into/through" Gary's trunk liner, without the hinge contacting the liner.

It's easier to check/fix this situation BEFORE the liner is installed, with the hinge (now) cutting into the new liner!







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Posted 2008-08-27 11:42 PM (#142968 - in reply to #142953)
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My OEM liners are not tan, they are a very dark grey.

Is it a Chrysler vs Dodge thing?
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Posted 2008-08-28 8:11 PM (#143053 - in reply to #140587)
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BOY, the trunk shot, above really looks like the liners are tan; I happen to prefer the cut/appearance of the tan,
to the gray liners.

The tan liners have that swoopy-shape to them; the gray-guys have a rounded appearance.

Can you post a couple pics of the liners and/or the side panels to this thread/

I'll go home & show you what I've got installed in my car.


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Posted 2008-08-29 2:56 PM (#143126 - in reply to #143053)
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I'll go home & show you what I've got installed in my car.



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Posted 2008-08-29 3:33 PM (#143132 - in reply to #140587)
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DANKE, Sir Cleeve!

The first pic shows what I regard as being the typical GRAY trunk liner (never seen it in tan-color); it is seen, installed on
an L.A.-built 1957 Dodge CRL 2-dr HT .

It is of one-piece, and very rounded in shape, with a deep cut-out, to clear the action of the trunk hinge.

The second and third pics show what Gary Goers delivered to me, a few years ago; i THINK that I'd requested the same
TAN color as he had previously sent to me, in the 80's, to replace my tan OEM liners, which WERE in 'this' style: 2-pieces
riveted together, with a relatively shallow, straight-cut hinge-clearance.

I was disappointed to see that these liners were in gray, but hey....what the hell; they're the correct OEM style.

As I wrote, above, I FIXED the significant-tear that I incurred, in installing this(-type) of liner around/behind the fuel filler
tube. That little 'nick' on it is from the hinge movement/contact; the repair & painting of the liner is virtually invisible,
but is seen at that diagonal line extending down toward the spare tire.

BTW, that other car wears its correct OEM rubber trunk mat (which is not being re-popped, yet...); my car has a very durable
aftermarket trunk mat.

The other car has an era-type bias ply spare; my car is carrying one of its original tires as a spare.

The vinyl fuel filler protector is OEM to the car.







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Posted 2008-08-29 8:23 PM (#143188 - in reply to #143132)
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OEM vinyl fuel filler protector????    What was the part number for those???   Chrysler 300C convertibles didn't even have such an item.
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Posted 2008-08-29 8:39 PM (#143192 - in reply to #143188)
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..It's true, W. The CRL's had them; I've seen them in gold, too.
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Posted 2008-08-30 11:39 AM (#143232 - in reply to #143192)
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Location: Under the X in Texas

Fuel filler covers in some Dodges.  Now available black and gold!

What is the part number in the book?  What section of the parts book does it appear in?  How many cars are known to have them?  Did both /all Dodge assembly plants install them?  How are they attached?  Does the vinyl grain match anything standard to the interior?  What determined color choice?  Why in the world did they even bother?  '57 only?  Definitely Dodge only? 

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