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Location: Brooklyn NY | My headliner is complete and intact..But.........a few of the panels are starting to "warp" and droop a bit. I removed them all and have them sitting flat with some weight on then to try and staighten'em out.
Does anybody have experiance with the wagon headliners?
They're made out of what looks like "perforated masonite" that is pretty dried out over the years.
I plan on "Dynamatting" the roof[on the interior] repainting the panels and reinstalling.
Any suggestions on how to stop the panels from drooping in the future
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Location: bishop, ca | Ralph, you are very lucky still to have those panels!
If they have taken a 'set', I wonder if they can be reverse-configured by wetting their backsides (somehow)
and letting them dry under some pressure, so as to regain their OEM shape?
I've also heard about using VELCRO to secure them back to the roof---sounds pretty good, huh?
A big-ol' VELCRO pad should do the trick, but you'll only get one good-easy shot at a proper panel alignment,
so pre-fitting/testing would be rather critical with its usage.
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Location: Wilmington, Delaware, USA | Ralph,
I had a similar problem with my '58 Coronet that has the same type of headliner. I tried Velro like Neil suggested and it worked for a while. What finally did work was to cut pieces of one-quarter inch plywood to fit behind the headliner. The plywood was glued to the roof and the headliner was glued to the plywood. The only problem with this method is that it's PERMANENT!
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Location: Montreal, Canada | Try this link: http://59sportfury.net/showcase/skinner/page2.html
I have not tried this myself but I will in the future because I have similar problems with my headliner.
I you venture in that direction, I hope you will be able to document and maybe do a "how to" tutorial.
Can't wait to see if you're successful with this.
Good luck !!!!!!
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Location: Montreal, Canada | I also remember seeing another "how to" on the web but that was long ago.
I will make some research and let you know.
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Location: Williams California | The headliner panels in our Dodge wagon have begun to sag again, the next time I have the panels out, I am going to try gluing paint stirring sticks across the backside of the cards, hopefully to prevent the sagging that eventually allows them to escape the retainer grooves. I had originally soaked them with water, and laid them out with weights to straighten them while they dried, but it was only a temporary fix.
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Location: Brooklyn NY | Thank you all for suggestions. I was also thinking of glueing some wood strips to the roof, but I'm concerned with the "permanent" idea.
I think I'll try John's idea and glue some strips to the backside of the panels to stop'em from warping.
When I get started, I'll photo document and post the process.
Any paint suggestions? I definitely think those panels will soak up a few coats of primer first. I was thinking to use the Rustoleum's Painters Touch, it's multi-surface and they sell a matching primer. I'll also have to paint the "bows" and they have a brittle[after 50 years] plastic shell.
Thanks again...Ralph from Brooklyn |
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I replace the panels with regular door panel board covered with perforated headlined fabric, use special hi-temp headliner adhesive to glue the fabric to the boards. |
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Location: bishop, ca | I wonder if those stirring strips (furring strips, in carpenter-ese....lolol) could be attached so that their ends could slide
into or latch under some 'catches', to make a permanent sort of mechanical attachment to the roof.
Going back to the velcro protocol, if a large enough section is used (at least 6"-square, per panel), I don't see how the headliner
would sag, especially since the velcro is a 'helper', merely to keep the hardboard from sagging, and both halves
would be glued to the roof and to the hardboard, respectively.
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Location: bishop, ca | ..Also, and it might require some careful measuring/calculation, but I can see where the sagging headliner could
be fully installed and aligned, with all the seam-supports/retainers in place, so that the final procedure would only
have to be to push up on the headliner, and to mate both sections of velcro together.
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Location: bishop, ca | And ANOTHER trick would be to glue one half of the velcro to the hardboard, with the other-section/half of the velcro
firmly and precisely attached to its 'mate', so that the installer could, then, apply panel adhesive to the roof, and to
the velcro, which would remain tacky while the headliner is positioned-maneuvered around for a proper fit onto the roof.
The headliner would require some sort of support, against the roof, while the panel adhesive dries.
After drying, the headliner could (potentially) be able to be removed from the roof, by separating the two velcro halves.
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Location: D-70199 Heslach | has someone new knowledge regarding headliner |
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Location: Tacoma, WA | Hello Tom, and frohe Weihnachten to you. For replacement of a drooping headliner, I have made a little progress in tracking down headliner material. It's a little premature to share since I have not followed through completely, but here goes - Perhaps someone else can pick up where I have left off. I searched for perforated hardboard/Masonite material for a long time, hearing that many vans and pickups used the headliner material, and rumors that someone was reproducing similar headliners for Studebakers. Then I noticed Kramer Automotive began advertising and selling on ebay the material for limited applications http://www.kramerauto.com/products.asp?cat=22&pg=3 I am quite sure they are getting them from the wholesale supplier REM Automotive http://www.remautoinc.com/products.php REM only sells through authorized retailers, not direct. When I contacted Kramer some time ago they seemed open to possibility of selling material for other models or selling bulk material, but I caught them at the beginning of a busy show season, so I had to get back to them later. I have not done that, but after such a long wait, it appears there may be a source for this material. I hope it is available in a pattern, orientation, and sheet size for the growing need among us wagon owners.
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As a side note, in regards to the original question about hardboard sagging, I have used epoxy consolidants in putty form and in liquid form when restoring rotted wood parts on my old house. The two-part liquid soaks into the wood, while the putty-version can build it back up. On my Chrysler, the door panel hardboard cores had suffered some water damage and separation, I brushed the liquid consolidant on, and clamped the hardboard between wax paper and wood clamps to restore the edges that had delaminated. Trying it your own risk, this might be a viable variation on Neil's wetting-the-headliner suggestion that might retain a proper 'set.' The products are available at well-stocked paint and hardware stores http://www.homedepot.com/p/SYSTEM-THREE-1-5-pt-Rotfix-Two-Part-Epox... or on line, such as http://www.abatron.com/buildingandrestorationproducts/woodrestorati...
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Location: D-70199 Heslach | Dave
I finished the insulation of the wagon roof, now its time for the cardboard.
I have found on another forum some pictures about the REM cardboard. http://www.christinecarclubforum.com/t3602-i-found-it-perforated-he...
Does anybody used such a cardboard at its wagon?
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Location: D-70199 Heslach | Someone knows a dealer here in Europe, because of shipping costs |
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| this stuff is made in China like crazy. How much does Rem charge? I was thinking about getting a pallett from China to sell. I think Kramer is charging 400$? for some fricking hardboard? thats nuts
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Location: Newark, Texas (Fort Worth) | Minn. Supplier:
http://www.navyisland.com/products/acoustic-panels.html
NAVY ISLAND, INC.
275 Marie Ave. East,
West St. Paul, MN 55118
(651) 451-4454 phone
(651) 451-4484 fax
sales@navyisland.com
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