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d500neil |
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Exner Expert 19,174 posts. Neil passed away 18 Sep 2015. You will be missed, Neil! Posts: 19146 Location: bishop, ca | Does anyone happen to know what the number-identity of a clock light bulb is? Superbright could not confirm which of their LED bulbs would fit our clock application. They did say that we should buy a green LED if that bulb is going to be put behind a turn signal. Also, they recommended a different bulb, from above, for a dash gauge application: BA9S-WHP9 . Their green LED, for a turn signal, is BA9S-G4. I'll probably order some bulbs from them after I figure out which of their LED's will be the best one for (bright!) clock illumination. Edited by d500neil 2011-02-03 4:42 PM | ||
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Expert Posts: 2824 Location: Snohomish, WA. | Neil, Different year, but the '61 clock used part number 152 240 bulb. Chrysler and Desoto used this same bulb for the Push Button lamp, and Chrysler and Imperial both used it also for the turn signal indicator lamp in '61. Can't say on earlier years. No books. Mike | ||
d500neil |
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Exner Expert 19,174 posts. Neil passed away 18 Sep 2015. You will be missed, Neil! Posts: 19146 Location: bishop, ca | Mike, that number may be correctamundo! I saw that number in my 55-58 Parts book, but thought that that number was some sort of MoPar(-only) number and not an actual light bulb size/type number. Thanks! | ||
61plymy |
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Expert Posts: 2824 Location: Snohomish, WA. | Neil, I think it IS a Mopar Number. I'm looking in the cross reference to see if I can cross to the manf number. Mike | ||
61plymy |
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Expert Posts: 2824 Location: Snohomish, WA. | Neil, Collectors auto supply shows it as an 1816 bulb. So use that number for your search. Mike | ||
61plymy |
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Expert Posts: 2824 Location: Snohomish, WA. | BA9S on Super Bright page http://www.superbrightleds.com/cgi-bin/store/index.cgi?action=DispP... Mike | ||
d500neil |
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Exner Expert 19,174 posts. Neil passed away 18 Sep 2015. You will be missed, Neil! Posts: 19146 Location: bishop, ca | Mike: muchass GRASS! Hie, to the parts store..... | ||
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Elite Veteran Posts: 774 Location: Atlanta GA USA | Be cautioned, Superbrightleds is accustomed to selling dash lights to the Honda crowd and those won't fit a classic. I have them in my import and like them. Really bright white. | ||
d500neil |
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Exner Expert 19,174 posts. Neil passed away 18 Sep 2015. You will be missed, Neil! Posts: 19146 Location: bishop, ca | ..I'm back.....the parts shop produced an 1816 bulb, which I said seemed to resemble my recollection of the clock bulb, but, OBTW, could they see if 152-240 might cross-reference, in their confuser, with any (other-) bulb, and they said that 152-240 DID reference to the 1816 bulb. So, now, I know what to try to get from Superbright; I just need to get a REALLY bright bulb from them, as the 1816 does not produce much illumination, due to its insertion location, in/at the back of the clock. | ||
d500neil |
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Exner Expert 19,174 posts. Neil passed away 18 Sep 2015. You will be missed, Neil! Posts: 19146 Location: bishop, ca | I also should probably get a set of the green dash-bulbs, too, just to see what their effect would be, compared to the white dash bulbs. Think that I'll leave my custom-made turn signal LED's 'alone', though, even tho I'll probably buy Superbright's turn signal bulbs, too, just to have them, on hand. | ||
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Expert Posts: 2244 Location: Yorba Linda, Ca | If it has a green diffuse in the clock then the green led would be the brightest. A green LED emits 100% green light, whilst a white LED only emits a small amount of green. Just like for the tail lights You have red lens use red LED. For your turn signals, based on my experience, the white LED I recommended to you was plenty bright as mine shows up very nicely even in broad daylight and with the top down. Gary | ||
d500neil |
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Exner Expert 19,174 posts. Neil passed away 18 Sep 2015. You will be missed, Neil! Posts: 19146 Location: bishop, ca | The clock light definitely has to be white! I wasn't even considering green lights for the dash-gauges; just green lights for the separate speedometer housing's three bulbs. The high-beam indicator is very bright as-is; dunno if I'll get a (white-) LED bulb for it, too. I'm very pleased with the (Gary's) LED turn signal lighting system....that's why I'm planning on leaving them installed. Edited by d500neil 2011-02-03 8:02 PM | ||
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Expert Posts: 2244 Location: Yorba Linda, Ca | If you decide to do high beam indicator a red led would be best there. A white led might be dimmer than your current bulb. Gary | ||
d500neil |
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Exner Expert 19,174 posts. Neil passed away 18 Sep 2015. You will be missed, Neil! Posts: 19146 Location: bishop, ca | My hi-beam indicator glows brightly. But, the news, today, is that I've bought three dash-lights (in green; @ $9.95 each) and two clock bulbs (dunno which one will be better) @ $1.98 each, and two green turn signal bulbs (just-to-have-them-on-hand) @ $2.98 each. When they arrive and I've checked them out, I'll provide pics & P/N's for y'all. | ||
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Elite Veteran Posts: 1060 Location: Building incorrect cars since 2000!! | Where is the best place to purchase the duct tape to complete my install? Is there a certain brand I should use or are they all made equal. I have not be able to locate any NOS tape so I assume this is a repop item. | ||
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Expert Posts: 2824 Location: Snohomish, WA. | 60 Plymouth - 2011-02-07 7:03 PM Where is the best place to purchase the duct tape to complete my install? Is there a certain brand I should use or are they all made equal. I have not be able to locate any NOS tape so I assume this is a repop item. LOLOLOL!!! Don't push too much harder on your tongue or you'll puncture your cheek!! Good one!!
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Board Moderator & Exner Expert 10K+ Location: .Norfolk..Mafia.. ,England UK | Posted for NEIL D500 OK, time for an update... the first pic shows the dash display with the OEM-style incandescent dash bulbs glowing away. Although it is not apparent, the clock bulb does illuminate its face but, the digital camera does not reveal its (slight-) illumination, and, the dash and gauge bulb's illumination is considerably brighter than this photo would imply. The next two pics show the Superbright LED's which were recommended to me by their very helpful Customer Support people. The two upper bulbs are 180-degree and 120-degree versions of the same bulb. I've only tried installing the 180-guy, as it would provide the better overall light dispersion, but I bought both of them as a precaution. The bulbs, at the lower-right are green turn-signal LED's, which I bought 'just-because' I was placing my order, and these bulbs are not very pricey. Superbright's turn-signal LED's are obviously a non-brainer-easier to install than Gary Johnson's LED-protocol, at the top of this thread, but I am very pleased with 'Gary's' system, and intend to keep them in the dash. The third photo shows the 180-degree clock bulb, and the dash-LED's out of their packaging. The dash LED's are about 1 3/8" long, overall. (150.jpg) (151.jpg) (152.jpg) Attachments ---------------- 150.jpg (70KB - 237 downloads) 151.jpg (61KB - 239 downloads) 152.jpg (55KB - 244 downloads) | ||
Rebels-59 |
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Board Moderator & Exner Expert 10K+ Location: .Norfolk..Mafia.. ,England UK | Posted for NEIL D500 The first-of-the-next three photos show a dash LED and the clock LED all set to be test-fitted to the back of the dash. The clock bulb fit fine, but, the dash-bulb bottomed-out against the inside of the concavity of the speedometer head's green-plastic colorization disc. It physically will not fit into a non-modified 57-58 Dodge speedo housing (and, probably, into other years/makes of MoPars). The third pic shows a spare speedometer head, which happens to have had its center green-disc be cannibalized previously. The outer two orifices are for the turn signal bulbs, and their colorization discs are located at the front of the speedo housing, so that the installation of a long-LED for them is a non-issue. Although I am not going to pop-out the three plastic colorization discs on this speedo housing, you can see that their removal, to accommodate a long (green-colored-) LED, would not be a problem. Then, I had to wait until nightfall to see how the LED clock bulb 'worked'. Unfortunately, the clock LED did NOT provide any additional illumination, compared to the OEM-incandescent bulb, and did not photograph that similar-result. (153.jpg) (154.jpg) (155.jpg) Attachments ---------------- 153.jpg (99KB - 243 downloads) 154.jpg (109KB - 243 downloads) 155.jpg (111KB - 245 downloads) | ||
Rebels-59 |
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Board Moderator & Exner Expert 10K+ Location: .Norfolk..Mafia.. ,England UK | Posted for NEIL D500 So, I re-called Superbright, and told them about the fitment issue with the Speedo-head LED's, and the same- illumination with their 180-degree clock LED. The nice man suggested that I buy some shorter LED's for the speedo head (done--to be continued), and, that I try fitting and using one of the three dash-LED's in the clock. I was dubious about the physical room inside the clock for that bulb, but, said that I would pull out the speedo head (to gain access to the clock) and try to fit that big-dog-bulb. The first pic shows the clock-LED (-now), all set to be test-fitted. It's a TIGHT fit, but the bulb does fit. Had to Wait Until Dark, again, to see the result of installing that guy, but, that bulb DOES significantly illuminate the clock! Not as brightly as the gauges are illuminated by their OEM- incandescents, but VERY acceptably brighter, now. Again, all of the instrument lights are a lot brighter than they appear in these digital images---but, the camera could NOT even capture an image from the clock, above, with its OEM incandescent bulb being installed. So, this experiment will end upon the arrival of the new-shorter dash LED's, but, for anyone planning to overhaul a 57-58 speedo head (or, another model MoPar), it would be relatively very easy to pop-out/off the colorization discs to accommodate the long-length of these green-colored LED's (156.jpg) (157.jpg) Attachments ---------------- 156.jpg (100KB - 253 downloads) 157.jpg (73KB - 249 downloads) | ||
ttotired |
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 8443 Location: Perth Australia | Clive Well done and very informative Mick | ||
d500neil |
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Exner Expert 19,174 posts. Neil passed away 18 Sep 2015. You will be missed, Neil! Posts: 19146 Location: bishop, ca | In the 4th paragraph, of my (Clive's) FIRST posting, I should have said that those 180-degree, and 120-degree, bulbs are the "CLOCK-bulbs" that Superbright had recommended to me. | ||
d500neil |
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Exner Expert 19,174 posts. Neil passed away 18 Sep 2015. You will be missed, Neil! Posts: 19146 Location: bishop, ca | And, in the first paragraph, of Clive's second post, above (for me), I should have said that the first-TWO photos show the clock-LED, and the speedometer-LED, ready to be test-fitted into the dash panel. | ||
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Board Moderator & Exner Expert 10K+ Location: .Norfolk..Mafia.. ,England UK | ttotired - 2011-02-18 11:15 PM Clive Well done and very informative Mick Hey Mick,, Neil deserves all credit, I am only posting on his behalf the PICs.. | ||
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Board Moderator & Exner Expert 10K+ Location: .Norfolk..Mafia.. ,England UK | POSTED FOR NEIL D500 Alright; coming down the homestretch, here. As you can see, I bought one of Superbright's newly- recommended smaller (green-) LED's: BA9S-G4-90-12v, which is about 1" in overall length, for trial-fitment in the speedometer housing. Installed it into the far-right side of the speedo housing's 3-bulbs, and waited until dark.... And, it IS noticibly brighter than the two adjacent OEM-incandescents in the speedo housing. I'd FORGOTTEN that I'd already bought two of the BA9S-G4-12v LED's (above-) because Superbright had previously recommended them to me for use in a turn-signal application, and, as I had not removed them from their bag, I'd forgotten about having them. BUT: the two still-bagged BA9S-G4-12v LED's are 32-degree angle units, and not the 90-degree angle that the 'new' BA9-S-G4-90-12v.... is (hence the "90" in its P/N). So, I've now I find that I have all three of the needed BA9S-G4's, altho two of them are 32-degree guys and the other one is a 90-degree boy. I'll simply install the two 32-degree LED's outboard of the 90-degree LED and live with the results (or not). Both versions of the BA9S-G4 have the same intensity (IIRC) and if/when they're installed behind the speedo housing's concave green plastic light-diffusers it probably makes no difference whether they are 32-degree or 90-degree dispersion. The BA9S-G4's only cost $2.98 each, and, they can also be installed behind instrument-gauges as well as behind turn-signals, but Horrie's incandescent gauges (and Gary's LED turn signals, above) are perfectly fine, so those guys will remain in status-quo... The big-dog 1 3/8" long BA9S-GHP9 (high-power LED, above) can be used to illuminate a clock dial, as the dials are only very-indirectly lit by their bulbs, and they need as much candlepower as possible, behind them. The BA9S-GHP9 cost $9.98 each; I've got two-spare of them, now. PM me a check for $9.00 and that'll include mailing costs to you (in the U.S.). (215.jpg) (216.jpg) (217.jpg) (218.jpg) Attachments ---------------- 215.jpg (104KB - 240 downloads) 216.jpg (95KB - 232 downloads) 217.jpg (96KB - 224 downloads) 218.jpg (72KB - 227 downloads) | ||
d500neil |
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Exner Expert 19,174 posts. Neil passed away 18 Sep 2015. You will be missed, Neil! Posts: 19146 Location: bishop, ca | Thanks, Clive! In the above pic, again, you are looking at the effect of the one BA9S-G4-90-12v LED that is installed over by the "90-110" area of the speedo housing, with the middle, and the "20-30" areas, being illuminated by the incandescent bulbs. The eye-ball visibility of this area is a lot more evident than this digital image would suggest. | ||
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Expert Posts: 1208 Location: SWITZERLAND | I wanted to replace the front parking bulbs by LEDs, for the bulbs shine yellow in comparison to the white halogen headlights. All LEDs I got and tested have been less bright then the standard bulbs. Does anyone found a usefull replacement for them? | ||
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Location: Parts Unknown | I have read all the tech above, but missed the part about why one would do such a conversion in the first place. What is the point of going to all that trouble ? I am not arguing against it. I got a big box of new dash bulbs saved from 25 years ago that will likely last me the rest of my life. Are these bulbs hard to get now ? Is there some big advantage to using LED ? I am putting LED headlights in my truck when I get home ... same thing as we have in the MRAPs and other tactical vehicles. Outstanding light for that use, but dash lights in our vintage cars ? What's the point ? | ||
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Expert Posts: 1208 Location: SWITZERLAND | Doctor DeSoto - 2011-02-27 12:22 PM I have read all the tech above, but missed the part about why one would do such a conversion in the first place. What is the point of going to all that trouble ? . . . Yes, you are absolutely right! This is just for some "crazy" people like me, who wants have all a little bit "nicer" then the average. In this matter: a full bright "glowing" STOP-Lamp, a full white Parking Light not as in Pic below. (Head Lamp White - Parking Lamp Amber.jpg) Attachments ---------------- Head Lamp White - Parking Lamp Amber.jpg (82KB - 239 downloads) | ||
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Board Moderator & Exner Expert 10K+ Location: .Norfolk..Mafia.. ,England UK | From NEIL D500 The Grand Finale! And, We are DONE, with this research project. The turn signals, the clock (despite how it looks in the digital images), and the speedometer illumination are considerably brighter than they had been, as compared to their erstwhile incandescent bulbs. To answer Doc's inquiry, if the initial post is re-read, Gary Johnson had informed me of the increased illumination that his vert's turn signals had obtained, after he had custom- created an LED system for them. I followed his protocols and illustrated my results, and am VERY pleased with the results (...Doc). Hank's subsequent suggestion about the availability of Super- bright's LED's led me to investigate their usage and effectiveness as compared to the OEM bulbs in the speedo housing and in the clock applications. I am also VERY happy about the increased illumination of the clock dial, and am 'good' with the slightly better speedometer's illumination. The P/N's for Superbright's LED's which fit our applications are shown on this thread, which did not exist anywhere around here, previously. Thank you very much! (205.jpg) (206.jpg) (207.jpg) Attachments ---------------- 205.jpg (78KB - 246 downloads) 206.jpg (79KB - 247 downloads) 207.jpg (78KB - 242 downloads) | ||
d500neil |
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Exner Expert 19,174 posts. Neil passed away 18 Sep 2015. You will be missed, Neil! Posts: 19146 Location: bishop, ca | Thank you, again Clive! Forgot to mention, above, that these three last pics show the Superbright 90-degree LED, in the center position, which is flanked by the two Superbright 32-degree LED's, in the speedometer head. The individual gauges still have their OEM incandescents installed, and, those are "Gary's" custom-LED's flashing away on the turn signals. LOL; I should be VERY happy about the increased illumination of the speedometer, too, compared to the way its lighting was initially (not-)captured by the same camera, earlier, under the same total darkness conditions. Edited by d500neil 2011-03-01 6:44 PM | ||
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Expert Posts: 1208 Location: SWITZERLAND | For a homogenious repartition of the light, and for directly appliying to the letters at minimum reflections, I mounted on the upper and lower face side of the speedometer glass, in height of the directional lamps, 2 + 2 green LEDs (10 years ago). Edited by sermey 2011-03-02 5:49 PM (Speedometer Illumination.jpg) Attachments ---------------- Speedometer Illumination.jpg (87KB - 239 downloads) | ||
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Expert Posts: 1476 Location: Pacific Northwest | I went with the red ones. (redled.jpg) Attachments ---------------- redled.jpg (90KB - 188 downloads) | ||
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