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brdtee
Posted 2019-02-25 3:01 AM (#578615 - in reply to #578608)
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LD3 Greg - 2019-02-25 1:48 AM
Great project and nice work!!
I made wiring for these cars for years and have closed my business. If you know someone in Finland who is now making them tell him to email me. I probably have materials left over he could use.
Thanks, Greg


Actually I just yesterday pulled a box of wiring MADE BY YOU from my storage and will start to install them. Great craftmanship - I'm happy that I got my set years ago because I think this quality of work is hard to beat =)
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Posted 2019-02-25 7:28 AM (#578617 - in reply to #578615)
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brdtee - 2019-02-25 3:01 AM

LD3 Greg - 2019-02-25 1:48 AM
Great project and nice work!!
I made wiring for these cars for years and have closed my business. If you know someone in Finland who is now making them tell him to email me. I probably have materials left over he could use.
Thanks, Greg


Actually I just yesterday pulled a box of wiring MADE BY YOU from my storage and will start to install them. Great craftmanship - I'm happy that I got my set years ago because I think this quality of work is hard to beat =)


Wow! I didn't expect a reply like that!!
Good luck with your project. Any problems let me know, I have to go by memory because all my harness boards are now gone! Too bad! Nobody wanted them!

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brdtee
Posted 2019-02-26 2:06 PM (#578663 - in reply to #5438)
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Dismantled the dash today. The old foam is truly a messy stuff!

Any advice on putting it back together again? What would be the smartest procedure to install it back with gauges, wiring etc.. 1) getting all ready and installing in one piece or 2) installing dash first and then do wiring and gauges while it's in place?

I guess the black parts should be semi-gloss?

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LD3 Greg
Posted 2019-02-26 3:00 PM (#578666 - in reply to #578663)
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I would completely restore and assemble the entire dash including the dash pad. Including all switches and wiring. I used to take the time to check all electrical function and circuits before I installed it in the car.
Install the wind lacing before rotating the dash up in to place. Protect it with clear tough plastic sheet. I like clear so you can see where it is binding. I always did it myself but it would be easier with two people!

I left the glovebox and radio out until later on the Chrysler.

Pics of a dodge and 300C.
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brdtee
Posted 2019-02-27 2:12 AM (#578680 - in reply to #5438)
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Thanks for the advice, Greg.

After years of fixing Fords I must admit that every detail, materials and engineering on Chrysler seems to prove why it was an upper class automobile and Fords were at low price range. Few years back I restored our Galaxie's gauges and when comparing those materials and engineering to this... whoa, what a difference in quality.

I'm not sure whether to repaint the bronze clusters or just polish these up. They have some scratches and a few bits of patina here and there...



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brdtee
Posted 2019-03-03 4:35 PM (#578825 - in reply to #5438)
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Those chrome rings are glued into the pods and it's that glue which makes this gooey grey stuff ooze to the plexiglas.

Thanks to a experienced Forward Look friend I knew how to deal with the stuff: It dissolves to a basic household dishwash liquid. No need to scratch the plexiglas. I gave these parts a 24 hour bath in a dishwash liquid rich water and almost all of glue had gone and the leftovers where easy to remove gently with a dishbrush.

I also got the chrome ring from clock pod out just by dissolving the glue but the chrome rings on the two bigger pods are harder to take away. I haven't managed yet...
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brdtee
Posted 2019-10-19 2:04 AM (#588996 - in reply to #5438)
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Installation of the rebuilt 354 Spitfire is getting closer...



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Powerflite
Posted 2019-10-19 10:12 AM (#588999 - in reply to #5438)
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Looks good. Is that a 4bbl intake on there now? An upgrade to a 4bbl would be a very wise choice. The 2bbl carbs aren't very reliable from my experience, and they hold back the performance of the motor. You could have paid extra for that option on a Windsor so it wouldn't be completely out of place.
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brdtee
Posted 2019-10-20 4:32 AM (#589021 - in reply to #588999)
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Powerflite - 2019-10-19 5:12 PM

Looks good. Is that a 4bbl intake on there now? An upgrade to a 4bbl would be a very wise choice.


Yes, 4bbl upgrade would be a wise move but at this time we're going with the original 2bbl setup just to get the car back on the road. I found a nice rebuilt 2bbl carb and didn't have 4bbl intake around. Keeping the 4bbl upgrade option still in mind.
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brdtee
Posted 2019-11-12 6:58 AM (#590047 - in reply to #589021)
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Windsor's door panels were gold, green/grey and black when I got the car and after browsing the web I found many Windsors with similar colored door panels. The middle section seemed to be a bit different on each.

This was puzzling because the other interior color options I saw were more "color-keyed" to dash and seats than these and yet the sales literature told they are all color-keyed to perfection.

It took a while until I saw few old color pictures of a Windsor with similar interior and I saw the middle section was actually brown to match the seat cloth and gauge pods and the top section matched the dash metal parts. Later I found pics of one restored coupe with gold-brown-black door panels. And after I removed the door handles and moldings there was actually different shade of gold in top and brown in the middle section.

From these observations I figured out that the vinyl colors Chrysler used for this particular interior were aged to a different shades. The gold which was supposed to match the dash tend to change more reddish and the brown had changed to grey or greyish green over the years.

So now when I refurbished the door panels I did match the gold stripe to dash and "color-keyed" the middle section to seat cloth and dash pods. From what I learned form the original parts it seems that the top section was metallic gold but the brown in the middle was without metallic.

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brdtee
Posted 2019-11-19 5:09 PM (#590400 - in reply to #5438)
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This weeks agenda is dashboard. Re-painted all dash parts to match the original colors, polished the knobs and repainted the centers, cleaned and checked the switches, polished the plexiglas and now waiting for assembly.



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Powerflite
Posted 2019-11-19 5:42 PM (#590401 - in reply to #5438)
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Very nice color match on the silvery pink dash color. How did you do the gold on the knobs? You are right that the center section on the door panels was originally a copper color, but I think I like them better
in the faded gray. The gray is a nice in-between color for the black and pink.

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brdtee
Posted 2019-11-20 3:58 AM (#590424 - in reply to #590401)
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Powerflite - 2019-11-20 12:42 AM

Very nice color match on the silvery pink dash color. How did you do the gold on the knobs?


The dash color should be as close to original as possible. Had few un-faded samples of the dash and we used several measures to get the right formula.

The gold on the knobs is is a gilt lacquer which contains gold-bronze powder. Should be more durable than normal paint but not 1:1 same shade than original.

The "copper-brown" stripe on the doors should also be pretty close match with samples underneath the door handles and it seems to be "color-keyed" wiith both gauge pods and the cloth on the seats just like dash color is color-keyed to top of the door panels and vinyl on the seats.
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Posted 2019-11-20 10:38 AM (#590439 - in reply to #590424)
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Is this what you used on the knobs? That looks really nice.

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brdtee
Posted 2019-11-20 12:42 PM (#590446 - in reply to #590439)
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Powerflite - 2019-11-20 5:38 PM

Is this what you used on the knobs? That looks really nice.

https://www.jacksonsart.com/en-us/schmincke-aqua-bronze-powder-20ml-...


Looks pretty much the same product, I used "Liberon Liquid Gilt Varnish" brand. After painting the knobs with a small brush I smoothed them gently with a P5000 wet sanding paper.
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Posted 2019-11-20 3:48 PM (#590452 - in reply to #5438)
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Great job!!!
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brdtee
Posted 2019-11-20 4:29 PM (#590455 - in reply to #5438)
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Dash project went forward ..painted the frame with rosegoldishgrey-whatsoever-the-color-is and insert with satin black and tried on the new dash vinyl from RD Autoline ...excellent work.

There's full updated story of the project at http://www.redchrysler.com and also some project pics at my Instagram at https://www.instagram.com/workaholics.cc/



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brdtee
Posted 2019-11-25 6:23 AM (#590716 - in reply to #5438)
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Next up: Manufacturing new package tray and kick panels and steering wheel restoration.

The car has both options: rear speaker and a rear window defroster. As far as I have studied brochures and pictures, it seems that if only one of these options were ordered, the package tray had only one hole in the middle. But if both options were ticked, then the speaker went to driver's side of the package tray and the defroster air inlet went to passenger side. Correct me if I'm wrong but at least this is how they were installed on mine.

Steering wheel is made from two different materials. Black bottom is more rubber-like and top part is a plastic of some sort. Bottom material has aged well and has no cracks but the plastic top is all cracked. I'm going to drill out the cracks and use epoxy paste to fix them.

What color should the top part of the steering wheel be? Mine is something between beige and grey and ivory but I've seen many steering wheels where the top color matches the lower dash color. Would it be all wrong to use the dash color on the top of the steering wheel?



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Posted 2019-11-25 9:14 AM (#590717 - in reply to #5438)
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The original color was a semi-translucent off-white. Look up pictures of '57 300C steering wheels to see some examples. This was the deluxe steering wheel. The colored versions came out later, and they didn't match the interior colors very well. Also, on my New Yorker, the rear speaker is still in the center even with the rear defroster installed.

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brdtee
Posted 2019-12-04 1:01 PM (#591069 - in reply to #5438)
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First time since 1991 there is an engine in the engine bay of our Windsor! Also brakes are once again functional and trunk area getting finished.



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brdtee
Posted 2020-04-19 5:16 PM (#597092 - in reply to #5438)
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Grille assembly ..all parts refurbished with powder coating to match anodized aluminum look. Can't wait to get it back on the front...





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brdtee
Posted 2020-04-24 3:56 AM (#597281 - in reply to #5438)
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Am I correct that the belts should go as in this picture? Trying to mock-up the assembly to find all the correct brackets and bolts.

I don't have the original power steering pump which probably has double-pulley on it? I'm going to replace it with a 1962 single-pulley pump but will this work on the long run? Should there be two belts running the water pump and power steering pump?



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Posted 2020-04-24 10:39 AM (#597287 - in reply to #5438)
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The way you have drawn it is correct. The danger of going to 1 belt on the power steering is that one belt is the only one coming from the crankshaft, and is effectively driving everything. So it will be more prone to wear. But it should work as long as you keep an eye on it. We drive these cars so little in comparison to how much they were designed to be used that you should be fine with it.
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brdtee
Posted 2020-04-26 6:19 PM (#597378 - in reply to #5438)
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Got my alternator brackets ready today ...

I remember seeing a simple drawing how to connect the alternator using the original wiring, having amp meter still working and using the regulator just as a junction to keep the original looks ...just can't find that thread anymore. I know it should be simple but I'm no electrician so a guide for dummies would be handy :D





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Posted 2020-04-26 10:16 PM (#597386 - in reply to #5438)
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Here you go. This is the regulator from my '57 New Yorker. You will need to cut out the resistors on the bottom side of it too.



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brdtee
Posted 2020-05-14 1:50 AM (#598241 - in reply to #5438)
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Front end supports and shields in place ...next the bumper and grille I guess.

Today the seats are going to upholstery shop and radiator to the workshop to be rebuilt.

Steering wheel is gettin' ready too.



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Posted 2020-05-14 10:47 AM (#598250 - in reply to #5438)
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Your steering wheel looks amazing. Nice job!
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Posted 2020-05-15 2:52 AM (#598300 - in reply to #598250)
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Powerflite - 2020-05-14 5:47 PM

Your steering wheel looks amazing. Nice job!


Thanks! It wasn't an easy job but the outcome looks good. The chrome ring has little pitting in it but I guess it's ok to have some marks of history left in the dash :)
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Posted 2020-05-17 8:12 AM (#598385 - in reply to #5438)
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Beautiful result. I thought I could do the steering wheel by myself, too. But I decided to send it to a specialist in sweden
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Posted 2020-05-17 2:25 PM (#598402 - in reply to #598385)
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ToMopar - 2020-05-17 3:12 PM

Beautiful result. I thought I could do the steering wheel by myself, too. But I decided to send it to a specialist in sweden


That one took a LOt of time ..so I think you made a good decision. And those Swedes do awesome work. Mine's nowhere near the quality.
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Posted 2020-05-17 2:38 PM (#598403 - in reply to #5438)
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Today got the front bumper assembly ready to be installed. Rechromed bumpers, chrome powder coated grill, new parking light lenses from KP Usabilar and new wiring from @LD3_Greg ...also replated the parking light housing with durable chrome foil.



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Posted 2020-05-17 2:51 PM (#598404 - in reply to #598403)
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brdtee - 2020-05-17 11:38 AM
Today got the front bumper assembly ready to be installed. Rechromed bumpers, chrome powder coated grill, new parking light lenses from KP Usabilar and new wiring from @LD3_Greg ...also replated the parking light housing with durable chrome foil.


Heikki: They all look beautiful together. Congrats.

I have *NO* idea what "durable chrome foil" is and why you used it instead of having the parking light housing rechromed. Inquiring minds want to know

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Posted 2020-05-17 3:04 PM (#598405 - in reply to #598404)
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brdtee - 2020-05-17 11:38 AM
Today got the front bumper assembly ready to be installed. Rechromed bumpers, chrome powder coated grill, new parking light lenses from KP Usabilar and new wiring from @LD3_Greg ...also replated the parking light housing with durable chrome foil.


Heikki: They all look beautiful together. Congrats.

I have *NO* idea what "durable chrome foil" is and why you used it instead of having the parking light housing rechromed. Inquiring minds want to know

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Thanks. I used weatherproof chrome foil, the same kind they use to "wrap" cars these days. When you heat it, it molds well to the desired shape and has mirror-like finish. Rechroming the housings would have been a good option too but this one was a lot cheaper option to try out first.
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Posted 2020-05-18 11:54 AM (#598432 - in reply to #5438)
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She's smiling again =)





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Posted 2020-05-18 1:49 PM (#598438 - in reply to #5438)
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Posted 2020-05-20 3:07 PM (#598551 - in reply to #5438)
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Wow!!! It's looking amazing!!! :D
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Posted 2020-05-20 4:13 PM (#598553 - in reply to #598551)
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You’ve done some fantastic work! Glad to see a 4dr Forward Look getting this level of attention. That steering wheel looks incredible,how long did it take you to repair it?
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Posted 2020-05-23 5:01 AM (#598660 - in reply to #5438)
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Thanks!

The steering wheel project took several months as I gave the putty time to settle before sanding and adding more where needed ..it also took several layers of primer and paint with lots of sanding to get acceptable result. I think it might have been better but this was the very first steering wheel restoration I've ever done. I think it wasn't my last one though.

Yesterday I got the front lights done... I got rid of the H4 setup made by previous owner in 1990 and installed original style sealed beams after cleaning the housings and applying new red paint to the covers... the headlight moldings were rechromed.





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Posted 2020-05-24 5:09 AM (#598713 - in reply to #5438)
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I am constantly amazed at the ability of some people. Well done.
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