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hemidave
Posted 2018-10-02 7:36 AM (#571050 - in reply to #81647)
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Posted 2018-10-03 8:06 AM (#571093 - in reply to #81647)
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Posted 2018-10-03 4:24 PM (#571109 - in reply to #571093)
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Posted 2018-10-04 7:23 AM (#571129 - in reply to #81647)
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Posted 2018-10-05 7:49 AM (#571168 - in reply to #81647)
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Posted 2018-10-05 8:46 AM (#571169 - in reply to #571168)
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Posted 2018-10-06 8:11 AM (#571203 - in reply to #81647)
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Posted 2018-10-06 2:08 PM (#571213 - in reply to #571203)
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Please let me stray from the "only FL plight" one time. I have to include this great looking Ford space ship photo from days gone by:



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Posted 2018-10-06 11:10 PM (#571241 - in reply to #81647)
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I like the Starliners also ^^^
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Posted 2018-10-07 2:28 AM (#571246 - in reply to #571241)
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Ford was notorious for having disjointed body styling, but the
60 Starliner was so slick and smooth, it doesn't look like a Ford.
The styling, while not in line with Exner stuff, does have a cohesive
design reminiscent of some of Exner's best work. The down side
is the trim details and interior .... REALLY spartan and cheap
looking. I'd be happy to own one, but I'd have to do something
with the wheels and probably do discs all around to stop the 390
and Tremec 5-speed. Drive a Ford of this era and you really will
appreciate how well Mopars performed. But a 60 Starliner was a
really good looking car !
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Posted 2018-10-07 8:18 AM (#571252 - in reply to #81647)
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Posted 2018-10-08 7:58 AM (#571316 - in reply to #81647)
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Posted 2018-10-09 7:51 AM (#571374 - in reply to #81647)
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Posted 2018-10-09 5:02 PM (#571397 - in reply to #571374)
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can someone ID the fl? car next to the studebaker? There is a FL convertible in the 3rd picture

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Posted 2018-10-09 8:26 PM (#571407 - in reply to #571397)
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can someone ID the fl? car next to the studebaker? There is a FL convertible in the 3rd picture


I think, based on the fin and the line of the hardtop, the car is a 57 or 58 Plymouth 2 dr hardtop. Need more info to be definitive.





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Posted 2018-10-11 7:37 AM (#571488 - in reply to #81647)
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Posted 2018-10-12 8:07 AM (#571558 - in reply to #81647)
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Posted 2018-10-12 2:21 PM (#571575 - in reply to #571558)
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Atlanta 1964


I was just about to post that!^




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Posted 2018-10-13 7:49 AM (#571596 - in reply to #81647)
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Posted 2018-10-13 10:36 AM (#571602 - in reply to #571596)
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Posted 2018-10-14 7:36 AM (#571662 - in reply to #81647)
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Posted 2018-10-14 4:06 PM (#571683 - in reply to #571662)
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Posted 2018-10-14 4:19 PM (#571684 - in reply to #571683)
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Posted 2018-10-14 9:28 PM (#571700 - in reply to #571684)
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Note that Granatelli's "F" doesn't have the "Bird Bath" or "Toilet Seat" continental kit.
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Posted 2018-10-14 10:21 PM (#571701 - in reply to #571700)
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I recognized this street scene from a Christmas jig-saw that my wife and I did a few years ago.



This one:



And to bring the Forward Look into play, I think I see a 56 white, black and pink Dodge parked at the downhill curb in this one:



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hemidave
Posted 2018-10-15 7:55 AM (#571711 - in reply to #81647)
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Posted 2018-10-15 9:55 AM (#571712 - in reply to #571711)
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What is the convertible to the far right in the last photo ???
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Posted 2018-10-15 10:51 AM (#571717 - in reply to #571712)
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Doctor DeSoto - 2018-10-15 9:55 AM
What is the convertible to the far right in the last photo ???


I wondered that too. My guesses as to the possibilities include:

Nash Healy:



and the Darrin:

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Posted 2018-10-15 3:18 PM (#571732 - in reply to #571717)
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Don't think so, look at the window frame/vent windows.
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Posted 2018-10-15 3:20 PM (#571733 - in reply to #571700)
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Note that Granatelli's "F" doesn't have the "Bird Bath" or "Toilet Seat" continental kit.
Joe Godec


Joe, I didn't notice that. I wonder if they used the non (fake) louvred hood of the lesser models too.
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Posted 2018-10-15 3:38 PM (#571735 - in reply to #81647)
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They most probably mounted a Saratoga/Windsor trunk lid. No need for extra weight....
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Posted 2018-10-15 3:39 PM (#571736 - in reply to #81647)
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Or wind drag...
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Posted 2018-10-15 4:05 PM (#571739 - in reply to #571732)
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1960fury - 2018-10-15 3:18 PM

Don't think so, look at the window frame/vent windows.


You're right. Alex, I would like to change my answer to "What is a 1951 Henry J (or Allstate) convertible?"

("The Allstate was built by Kaiser Frazer and was nothing more than a thinly disguised Henry J with all Kaiser badging removed and replaced by Sears Allstate tags.):



Based on the little fins and the small round taillights like on this 51 Coupe



But a convertible like these (ish):





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Posted 2018-10-15 4:14 PM (#571741 - in reply to #571733)
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Joe, I didn't notice that. I wonder if they used the non (fake) louvred hood of the lesser models too.


No, they didn't. I hate louvres, especially fake ones



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Posted 2018-10-15 4:20 PM (#571743 - in reply to #81647)
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Funny thing, they^ didn't use the best (and free to boot) high speed trick to reduce wind resistance on these cars, which is to adjust the hood hinges in the highest possible position. Helps cooling the engine bay too and still looks better than the useless tape everywhere.
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Posted 2018-10-15 4:29 PM (#571744 - in reply to #571743)
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And they even made it heavier than stock!



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Posted 2018-10-15 4:36 PM (#571745 - in reply to #571712)
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Doctor DeSoto - 2018-10-15 9:55 AM

What is the convertible to the far right in the last photo ???


Looks like a 1951 Henry J minus the roof. It appears to have small fins with the taillights on the rear of the car and not the fins, as in 1952-54.

Also it has a two-piece windshield.

The Henry J was built by Kaiser-Frazer Corp from 1951 through 1954. Two series and two engines - base series with the Willys Jeep 4 engine and the DeLuxe with the Willys 6. No glove box or trunk lid on the early models. To access the trunk you pulled out the rear seat back.

The Henry J was named after one of the founders, Henry J Kaiser. You may have heard of the other Kaiser firms - Kaiser Aluminum, Kaiser Steel, Kaiser Permanente and Kaiser Shipyards.







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Posted 2018-10-15 4:48 PM (#571746 - in reply to #571744)
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Originally posted by 1960fury
And they even made it heavier than stock!


Weight is not necessarily a bad thing in straight-line speed...

It's very effective in slowing acceleration, as in drag racing, but once rolling the main problems defeating top speeds are aerodynamics
and rolling resistance.
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Ray Bell - 2018-10-15 4:48 PM

Originally posted by 1960fury
And they even made it heavier than stock!


Weight is not necessarily a bad thing in straight-line speed...

It's very effective in slowing acceleration, as in drag racing, but once rolling the main problems defeating top speeds are aerodynamics
and rolling resistance.


Against the laws of physics, while acceleration is more affected, speed is too. They were fighting for every fraction of a mile in top speed. The lighter the faster. You need power to move a certain weight to a certain speed, the more weight, the more power you need, it is as simple as that.
And no, these cars don't become airborn at high speeds, even if they did, weighing it down is the wrong way to fix that.

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Airborne?

Did something I say intimate that I thought this was a prospect?
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Posted 2018-10-15 6:04 PM (#571752 - in reply to #571745)
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Chrycoman - 2018-10-15 4:36 PM

Looks like a 1951 Henry J minus the roof.


Agree. Which is why I suggested the Henry J convertible above 31 minutes ago.

56D500boy - 2018-10-15 4:05 PM

You're right. Alex, I would like to change my answer to "What is a 1951 Henry J (or Allstate) convertible?"

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Ray Bell - 2018-10-15 5:55 PM

Airborne?

Did something I say intimate that I thought this was a prospect?


No, but you said that, quote: "Weight is not necessarily a bad thing in straight-line speed". And as this is the only thing for that weight could be beneficial, I just mentioned that.

When it comes to speed and performance weight is always a bad thing. Most noticeable in rotating weight, as it has to be accelerated to a way higher speed than the weight of the car body. Heavy wheels, for instance, slow a car down, a well known fact. It is the same thing.
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Posted 2018-10-15 8:27 PM (#571759 - in reply to #81647)
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Obviously you wouldn't be looking to add weight, but reducing weight would not be all-important as in drag or circuit racing...

Long wind-up distances and slowing distances at Bonneville allowed for this. It meant that aerodynamics and rolling resistance were more important to chase.
That would include things like drag in brakes and bearings, oil viscosity in the driveline and so on.
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1960fury - 2018-10-15 4:02 PM


Against the laws of physics, while acceleration is more affected, speed is too. They were fighting for every fraction of a mile in top speed. The lighter the faster. You need power to move a certain weight to a certain speed, the more weight, the more power you need, it is as simple as that.
And no, these cars don't become airborn at high speeds, even if they did, weighing it down is the wrong way to fix that.


Your theory regarding these cars is wrong: according to Norm Thatcher who was the first to hit 200 MPH in a stock bodied car at Bonneville (1964 Plymouth). He was trying to go with lighter cars for 1959 (after setting the record in 1958) but started weighing them down for high speed stability when he broke 200. See Collectible Automobile article June 2015.

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