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Windsor59
Posted 2010-11-16 4:21 PM (#249756 - in reply to #249422)
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Kenny J. - 2010-11-13 6:51 PM

Philadelphia suburbs, Autumn, 1965. Trolley line is still in service today, but with much newer equipment.


I like the old pics with cars and trolls. We want more pics Kenny
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Posted 2010-11-16 5:26 PM (#249763 - in reply to #249730)
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Photo was taken during the World Series in 1957 whether or not you chose to believe that. I have others taken at the same time with newer cars. Why no 1957 cars are in that area is beyond me. The outer lots were seldom used after the opening season of 1954, until the World Series. Which is why the newspaper took this photo.

I plan to scan the other photos taken at the same time, which contain 1957 cars.

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hemidenis - 2010-11-16 9:17 AM

Yes seem more like NOV 56 to JAN 57 to me. Beside the 56 Chuby in the first row... Is that a 37 chuby?


Stadium wasn't in use for baseball at that time and after November, lot would be likely be full of snow or the cars would be dirty from the frequent wet weather of that time of year. Back then, when the Green Bay Packers played occasional games in Milwaukee, the draw wasn't like it is in today's NFL. You could still head down to the stadium and purchase good seats the day of the day.

That's a '55 Chevy next to the 1930s vehicle.

K.

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D500Jim
Posted 2010-11-17 7:54 AM (#249840 - in reply to #81647)
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1961 Chrysler 300G at Robert Motel in Ste Anne de Beaupré, Quebec

1961 Chrysler 300G at Robert Motel in Ste Anne de Beaupré, Quebec

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Posted 2010-11-17 8:31 AM (#249847 - in reply to #249840)
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Not a G, Look closely, No cross bar plus it's a sedan

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Posted 2010-11-17 8:47 AM (#249850 - in reply to #81647)
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Also, it appears to have the Chrysler badge in the upper corner of the grille, indicating a '62.
Terrific card, and what a selling point, a 1961 motel!

Here are two vintage photos, the first features a well-worn '61 Plymouth and what appears to be an original gangster!
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Posted 2010-11-17 8:54 AM (#249852 - in reply to #249850)
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The wood side Le Mans wagon would be a hot commodity today ! Anyone recognize the city in the second
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Posted 2010-11-17 10:10 AM (#249861 - in reply to #249852)
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That one guy looks like he just stepped out of a "Crime Story" episode!

Reminds me of Ft. Worth or Austin, TX
Dave S.

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D500Jim
Posted 2010-11-17 12:46 PM (#249882 - in reply to #249850)
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SavoyPlaza - 2010-11-17 2:47 PM Also, it appears to have the Chrysler badge in the upper corner of the grille, indicating a '62. Terrific card, and what a selling point, a 1961 motel!

Thanks, Pete & Dave!

It must be a 1962 then. A Newport? Or a 300H? I'll correct it!





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Posted 2010-11-17 2:03 PM (#249887 - in reply to #81647)
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Posted 2010-11-17 2:26 PM (#249890 - in reply to #249889)
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Midway Diner Postcard Pee Dee SC Budweiser Autos



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Posted 2010-11-17 2:27 PM (#249891 - in reply to #249890)
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Verga NJ Joe's #2 Diner Old Cars Postcard



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Woodbridge NJ Reo Diner Old Cars



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Posted 2010-11-17 2:44 PM (#249900 - in reply to #249893)
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ROUTE 66 POSTCARD WINSLOW ARIZONA MOTEL TOWN HOUSE CARS



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Posted 2010-11-17 3:05 PM (#249908 - in reply to #249900)
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1961 Chrysler Imperial at Ventura CA Funeral Home 1960s



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Posted 2010-11-17 7:45 PM (#249948 - in reply to #249852)
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Doctor DeSoto - 2010-11-17 7:54

Anyone recognize the city in the second photo ???

It's Los Angeles.  That is the Richfield Building with the distinctive tower.  The Statler Hilton is now the Wilshire Grand.

The same photo can be seen on page 5 here: http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?s=ebc8417c9171f260949026176416797c&t=170279

Lots of vintage photos of L.A. in that forum, including some with Forward Look cars.

 

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Posted 2010-11-17 8:05 PM (#249949 - in reply to #249850)
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SavoyPlaza - 2010-11-17 5:47 AM

Also, it appears to have the Chrysler badge in the upper corner of the grille, indicating a '62.
Terrific card, and what a selling point, a 1961 motel!

Here are two vintage photos, the first features a well-worn '61 Plymouth and what appears to be an original gangster!
Pete


It's definitely a 62 Chrysler. Since the photo is in Canada, I'm going to venture that the car is NOT a Newport, definitely not a New Yorker or 300, as Newports and 300s weren't built in Canada until later. Canada was still building Windsor and Saratoga in 62, and the Saratoga had the same full length body side moldings as the US Newport while the Windsor had the short body side molding like the US 300, but without the 300 badge. So as this car is in Canada and has a full length body side molding I'm gonna say its a Canadian 1962 Saratoga.

As to the gangster, take a look at the cheap suit he's wearing - I thought gangsters always wore the best.

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Posted 2010-11-17 11:41 PM (#249967 - in reply to #81647)
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Interestingly, the parking lot at the New Miller Park baseball stadium in Milwaukee looks about the same as the old Milwaukee County Stadium parking lot in the picture from 1957, except for the fact that there are no FL cars in it except for when I'm there. The new baseball stadium was built in the same area.
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Posted 2010-11-18 12:43 AM (#249974 - in reply to #81647)
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This was hard to relocate, first time i see the street changing height.



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Posted 2010-11-18 12:51 AM (#249975 - in reply to #81647)
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Posted 2010-11-18 3:28 AM (#249984 - in reply to #81647)
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Thanks for all the locating work, Denis!
Now, here's one I had located just when it was shown to us, above, by Clive/Neil
A 1960 Chrysler at Motel Town House in Winslow, Arizona
Could this be a 300F?

1960 Chrysler 300F at Motel Town House in Winslow, Arizona

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Posted 2010-11-18 8:40 AM (#250006 - in reply to #81647)
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looks like Midway Diner only allows Mopar and Mercury drivers to dine .



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Posted 2010-11-18 8:50 AM (#250009 - in reply to #81647)
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And that's a rough bunch leaned up against the Plymouth wagon, there. Let's keep driving to the next diner!

Thanks Neil for letting loose with these postcards!
(Oh, and you to big C for helping him! )
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Posted 2010-11-18 8:53 AM (#250010 - in reply to #247822)
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SavoyPlaza - 2010-11-01 11:53 AM

Fine contributions, Jim!

Three more photos:
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I'll try and put locations on these,the first one looks like a military base somewhere (some unusual german cars there),the second one at the gas station behind the '56 Plymouth there is a '57 Dodge and the last one is in Mystic,Connecticut



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Posted 2010-11-18 12:31 PM (#250035 - in reply to #81647)
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1958 Plymouth Savoy Sport Coupe at Malbis Restaurant in Daphne near Mobile, Alabama

1958 Plymouth Savoy Sport Coupe at Malbis Restaurant in Daphne near Mobile, Alabama

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Posted 2010-11-18 8:18 PM (#250076 - in reply to #249730)
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Doctor DeSoto - 2010-11-16 9:06 AM

The newest car I can spot in that pic is a 56 Chev and I think I see two (?) That seems odd for a photo
supposedly taken in the fall of 1957.


Another photo, taken the same day is attached below.

My County Stadium negatives are dated 1954 and 1957. Nothing in between. From opening season and the 1957 World's Series. Look in the background of this one:



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Posted 2010-11-18 10:21 PM (#250093 - in reply to #250076)
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I see 57 Dodge, Merc, Ford, and Nash in the few visible. Strange that the other pic has nary
a 57 model in the entire parking lot ! Maybe they had "segregation" back then ?
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Doctor DeSoto - 2010-11-18 7:21 PM

I see 57 Dodge, Merc, Ford, and Nash in the few visible. Strange that the other pic has nary
a 57 model in the entire parking lot ! Maybe they had "segregation" back then ?


The "far lots" had cheaper parking than the "premium lots" closer to the stadium. But still, no reason for no '57s or '58s in that outer lot. The transit system ran special buses which picked up at certain areas and ran non-stop to the ballpark. Also, an existing streetcar line passed the location. The transit system built a siding and used to park dozens of trolley cars there. The people who parked halfway to the ballpark and took the special "stadium" buses and streetcars the rest of the way often got home much sooner than people who used to drive all the way there.

The top negative dates from 1954 and was taken after the Green Bay Packers played a "home game" in Milwaukee. The embankment which the road cuts through was used by high speed interurban trolleys until June, 1951. Now I-94 cuts through the area. Is that dark car on the left a 1955 Mopar???

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Now back to cars. Another 1957 view from the World Series, then a police department parking lot after street racing. Next, some cars at a murder scene and last, an Imperial after an accident:

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Great photos, Kenny.

The ball game goers look like they're dressed for an ice fishing tournament !

Looks like the Imperial driver is sitting on the pole that put the nice crunch in his car.
He's done a remarkable job of keeping his shirt clean too !

The removal of so many trolley / interurban systems is depressing. Your pictures really
are cool.
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October in Milwaukee is a mixed bag as far as weather is concerned. Sometimes cold mornings, mild afternoons and very cold nights. The amount of sun or clouds can determine which days are sweater, t-shirt or jacket days.

Most U.S. transit systems were a money losing proposition after World War II. Fixed plant costs were high, traffic patterns were changing, downtown areas were becoming irrelevant in many cities, automobiles were becoming easier to afford and new trolley cars were becoming so expensive, none were built in the U.S. between 1952 and the late 1970s. No electric bus fleets were built for the North American market between 1955 and 1971. Only rapid transit rail cars were built during the late '50s, '60s and into the the '70s for urban transport. Diesel fuel for buses was cheap and no wire, track, substations, etc. had to be maintained.

As much as I like trains and streetcars, I sometimes look at some light rail projects in the U.S. and ask myself, "What were they thinking?" But many of the new systems are practical and are doing well. You need a certain degree of population density and logical routing/destinations for fixed guide way transit to be successful.

Whenever I visit Milwaukee, I find Downtown cleaner than it was when I was a child. But the bustle and excitement of my childhood days are long gone. In fact, most of the shopping centers/malls which initially replaced most of Downtown Milwaukee's retail market have since been replaced by newer malls.

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I did some work on the Northtown mall in Spokane last year. Coming in through a back access area
I saw some beautiful terrazzo floors that had obviously been part of an old open air mall design and that
this mall went back much farther than one might guess by looking at it today. I could just picture in my
head scenes like the photos in this thread.

Like you, I had a certain "excitement" for the world of my childhood that has been dulled by homogenous
and boring design styles that have buried all that cool stuff. Going to a mall today is as interesting as a
dental visit. But back in the day, I remember those terrazzo floors, the mile-high poles holding up
space port looking roofs, and walls of mosaic tiles, sparkly glass, or Arizona sandstone, accented with jet-
age light fixtures. Never mind what you might see in the parking lot ! Going shopping with Mom was
actually a fun field trip !

In 1967 or so, my Dad traded in our 57 Bel Air wagon for a Mustang. I remember thinking this was not
a good trade. In 1971 he took it to the next level of FTD and traded the Mustang in on a Pinto !
Even then I knew the world was doing a slow motion plane crash into the ocean of ugly and cheap.

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1957 Plymouth Belvedere Convertible at Stardust Hotel in Yuma, Arizona

1957 Plymouth Belvedere Convertible at Stardust Hotel in Yuma, Arizona

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That looks more like 58 to me. The inner headlight / parking lamp looks more like
the quad headlight set up, even in this grainy shot. Also the vertical lower grille seems
like it would be more obvious with the alternating heavy bars.

What is the wagon on the far left ????? I think my eyes are broken. Looks like a 58
Buick, but then again, no ...... It has to be GM, but it doesn't look like any I know of !!


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Doctor DeSoto - 2010-11-19 6:58 PM That looks more like 58 to me. The inner headlight / parking lamp looks more like the quad headlight set up, even in this grainy shot. Also the vertical lower grille seems like it would be more obvious with the alternating heavy bars. What is the wagon on the far left ????? I think my eyes are broken. Looks like a 58 Buick, but then again, no ...... It has to be GM, but it doesn't look like any I know of !!

You're right, it's a 1958. Stupid me...

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Doctor DeSoto - 2010-11-19 9:58 AM

What is the wagon on the far left ????? I think my eyes are broken. Looks like a 58
Buick, but then again, no ...... It has to be GM, but it doesn't look like any I know of !!




Might be a '58 Pontiac or a '58 Olds.

Not a Buick nor a Chevy.

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The "swoosh" coming off the headlights, going down the side of the car says "Olds", but the grille
just doesn't look right. I'm sticking with "my eyes are broken" !!!
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'58 Olds is correct for that wagon; at the rear, you can just make out the
upper taillight tube and lower "skeg" where the 4 chrome lines would be.
They must have a Desert Water Bag or something on the grille under the
headlights.

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Highball57 - 2010-11-19 8:48 PM '58 Olds is correct for that wagon; at the rear, you can just make out the upper taillight tube and lower "skeg" where the 4 chrome lines would be. They must have a Desert Water Bag or something on the grille under the headlights. TG

Maybe a closer look might help...? Although the quality of this postcard isn't very good...

 





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Posted 2010-11-19 3:09 PM (#250185 - in reply to #250183)
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D500Jim - 2010-11-19 11:57 AM

Highball57 - 2010-11-19 8:48 PM '58 Olds is correct for that wagon; at the rear, you can just make out the upper taillight tube and lower "skeg" where the 4 chrome lines would be. They must have a Desert Water Bag or something on the grille under the headlights. TG

Maybe a closer look might help...? Although the quality of this postcard isn't very good...

 



Definitely a '58 Olds. And look what's parked behind it!

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Posted 2010-11-19 3:17 PM (#250186 - in reply to #250185)
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Kenny J. - 2010-11-19 9:09 PM  Definitely a '58 Olds. And look what's parked behind it! K.

Yep! That's why this time I used an aspect ratio deviant from the usual 5.5 x 3.5.

I hadn't seen it at first.

So, what is it, a Plymouth?

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Posted 2010-11-19 5:39 PM (#250202 - in reply to #250185)
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The link in G-Force's post above (#249948) takes you back into the history pages of Los Angeles and there are some really nice photos of not only our forwardlook beasts but LA's early red car trolleys. Some great history there!
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Kenny J. - 2010-11-19 3:43 AM

Now back to cars. Another 1957 view from the World Series, then a police department parking lot after street racing. Next, some cars at a murder scene and last, an Imperial after an accident:

A couple of interesting ones here,in the drag racing one there are 2 Plymouth Sedans a '59 and a '57/'58 also a '57 Mercury Turnpike Cruiser (with skirts and continental kit),the Olds Rocket has had it's roof altered and a larger windscreen fitted and the '57 Chevrolet has DeSoto style tooth grille fitted and in the second one the Imperial owner is now wishing he hadn't ordered the Southampton hardtop sedan,as the pillared version would have taken the hit better.



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