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hemidave |
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Expert Posts: 4654 | 55 Chrysler Edited by hemidave 2018-10-02 7:40 AM (5 5c.jpg) Attachments ---------------- 5 5c.jpg (189KB - 280 downloads) | ||
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Expert Posts: 4654 | OVERPACKS (5 overpacks.jpg) Attachments ---------------- 5 overpacks.jpg (166KB - 275 downloads) | ||
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 7400 Location: northern germany | hemidave - 2018-10-03 8:06 AM OVERPACKS Great picture! ^ (58cvtpl.jpg) (57p.jpg) (58googie.jpg) (55ds.jpg) Attachments ---------------- 58cvtpl.jpg (61KB - 274 downloads) 57p.jpg (53KB - 270 downloads) 58googie.jpg (29KB - 287 downloads) 55ds.jpg (31KB - 267 downloads) | ||
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 7400 Location: northern germany | If I had a 57, I'd paint it in this colors. Pure 50s. (57p.jpg) Attachments ---------------- 57p.jpg (87KB - 266 downloads) | ||
hemidave |
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Expert Posts: 4654 | Sterns Garden (5 sterns garden.jpg) Attachments ---------------- 5 sterns garden.jpg (85KB - 261 downloads) | ||
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Expert Posts: 4654 | 56 DeSoto (5 56 desoto.jpg) Attachments ---------------- 5 56 desoto.jpg (120KB - 266 downloads) | ||
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 7400 Location: northern germany | . (60.jpg) (56belv.jpg) (57.jpg) (56do.jpg) (56be.jpg) (56ReddingCA.jpg) (58pm.jpg) (57tc.jpg) (59pr.jpg) (60imp.jpg) (60be.jpg) (60dsphone.jpg) (60dNorthwest-Expressway-.jpg) (60d.jpg) (60ds.jpg) Attachments ---------------- 60.jpg (46KB - 261 downloads) 56belv.jpg (49KB - 266 downloads) 57.jpg (47KB - 258 downloads) 56do.jpg (35KB - 264 downloads) 56be.jpg (419KB - 267 downloads) 56ReddingCA.jpg (104KB - 276 downloads) 58pm.jpg (39KB - 267 downloads) 57tc.jpg (81KB - 258 downloads) 59pr.jpg (38KB - 261 downloads) 60imp.jpg (124KB - 256 downloads) 60be.jpg (20KB - 255 downloads) 60dsphone.jpg (54KB - 257 downloads) 60dNorthwest-Expressway-.jpg (114KB - 264 downloads) 60d.jpg (70KB - 268 downloads) 60ds.jpg (121KB - 260 downloads) | ||
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Expert Posts: 4654 | Lenox Square Atlanta (5 lenox sq atlanta.jpg) Attachments ---------------- 5 lenox sq atlanta.jpg (123KB - 252 downloads) | ||
1960fury |
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 7400 Location: northern germany | Please let me stray from the "only FL plight" one time. I have to include this great looking Ford space ship photo from days gone by: (60ford.jpg) Attachments ---------------- 60ford.jpg (41KB - 251 downloads) | ||
hemidave |
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Expert Posts: 4654 | I like the Starliners also ^^^ | ||
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Location: Parts Unknown | Ford was notorious for having disjointed body styling, but the 60 Starliner was so slick and smooth, it doesn't look like a Ford. The styling, while not in line with Exner stuff, does have a cohesive design reminiscent of some of Exner's best work. The down side is the trim details and interior .... REALLY spartan and cheap looking. I'd be happy to own one, but I'd have to do something with the wheels and probably do discs all around to stop the 390 and Tremec 5-speed. Drive a Ford of this era and you really will appreciate how well Mopars performed. But a 60 Starliner was a really good looking car ! | ||
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Expert Posts: 4654 | Nice drugstore storefront (5 rexall.jpg) Attachments ---------------- 5 rexall.jpg (99KB - 250 downloads) | ||
hemidave |
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Expert Posts: 4654 | Imperial (5 imp.jpg) Attachments ---------------- 5 imp.jpg (90KB - 253 downloads) | ||
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Expert Posts: 4654 | (5 57.jpg) Attachments ---------------- 5 57.jpg (97KB - 244 downloads) | ||
1960fury |
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 7400 Location: northern germany | can someone ID the fl? car next to the studebaker? There is a FL convertible in the 3rd picture Edited by 1960fury 2018-10-09 5:08 PM (56p.jpg) (60cp.jpg) (flcvt.jpg) (50skstm.jpg) (59bt.jpg) (55pblu.jpg) (59.jpg) Attachments ---------------- 56p.jpg (121KB - 246 downloads) 60cp.jpg (60KB - 256 downloads) flcvt.jpg (53KB - 250 downloads) 50skstm.jpg (43KB - 232 downloads) 59bt.jpg (39KB - 261 downloads) 55pblu.jpg (59KB - 274 downloads) 59.jpg (36KB - 241 downloads) | ||
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 9900 Location: Lower Mainland BC | 1960fury - 2018-10-09 5:02 PM can someone ID the fl? car next to the studebaker? There is a FL convertible in the 3rd picture I think, based on the fin and the line of the hardtop, the car is a 57 or 58 Plymouth 2 dr hardtop. Need more info to be definitive. Edited by 56D500boy 2018-10-09 8:27 PM | ||
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Expert Posts: 4654 | Plymouth (5 P.jpg) Attachments ---------------- 5 P.jpg (88KB - 257 downloads) | ||
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Expert Posts: 4654 | Atlanta 1964 (5 atlanta 64.jpg) Attachments ---------------- 5 atlanta 64.jpg (117KB - 254 downloads) | ||
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 7400 Location: northern germany | hemidave - 2018-10-12 8:07 AM Atlanta 1964 I was just about to post that!^ (59clown.jpg) Attachments ---------------- 59clown.jpg (76KB - 239 downloads) | ||
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Expert Posts: 4654 | Meekins (5 a.jpg) Attachments ---------------- 5 a.jpg (129KB - 250 downloads) | ||
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 7400 Location: northern germany | . (57dck.jpg) (57dwgn.jpg) (57ds.jpg) Attachments ---------------- 57dck.jpg (35KB - 246 downloads) 57dwgn.jpg (37KB - 238 downloads) 57ds.jpg (223KB - 229 downloads) | ||
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Expert Posts: 4654 | Henderson, TX (5 henderson tx.jpg) Attachments ---------------- 5 henderson tx.jpg (126KB - 229 downloads) | ||
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 7400 Location: northern germany | 3 (55-60RichmondVA1959_01_1000-700x445.jpg) Attachments ---------------- 55-60RichmondVA1959_01_1000-700x445.jpg (61KB - 237 downloads) | ||
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 7400 Location: northern germany | 822 HP (60-300F-ad.jpg) Attachments ---------------- 60-300F-ad.jpg (53KB - 232 downloads) | ||
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Expert Posts: 1287 | Sid -- Note that Granatelli's "F" doesn't have the "Bird Bath" or "Toilet Seat" continental kit. Joe Godec | ||
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 9900 Location: Lower Mainland BC | I recognized this street scene from a Christmas jig-saw that my wife and I did a few years ago. This one: And to bring the Forward Look into play, I think I see a 56 white, black and pink Dodge parked at the downhill curb in this one: Edited by 56D500boy 2018-10-14 10:29 PM | ||
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Expert Posts: 4654 | Holiday (5 holiday.jpg) Attachments ---------------- 5 holiday.jpg (105KB - 228 downloads) | ||
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Location: Parts Unknown | What is the convertible to the far right in the last photo ??? | ||
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 9900 Location: Lower Mainland BC | Doctor DeSoto - 2018-10-15 9:55 AM What is the convertible to the far right in the last photo ??? I wondered that too. My guesses as to the possibilities include: Nash Healy: and the Darrin: | ||
1960fury |
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 7400 Location: northern germany | Don't think so, look at the window frame/vent windows. | ||
1960fury |
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 7400 Location: northern germany | Sonoramic60 - 2018-10-14 9:28 PM Sid -- Note that Granatelli's "F" doesn't have the "Bird Bath" or "Toilet Seat" continental kit. Joe Godec Joe, I didn't notice that. I wonder if they used the non (fake) louvred hood of the lesser models too. | ||
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Board Moderator & Exner Expert 10K+ Posts: 13049 Location: Southern Sweden - Sturkö island | They most probably mounted a Saratoga/Windsor trunk lid. No need for extra weight.... | ||
Ray Bell |
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Expert Posts: 2473 Location: Dalveen, Queensland, Australia | Or wind drag... | ||
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 9900 Location: Lower Mainland BC | 1960fury - 2018-10-15 3:18 PM Don't think so, look at the window frame/vent windows. You're right. Alex, I would like to change my answer to "What is a 1951 Henry J (or Allstate) convertible?" ("The Allstate was built by Kaiser Frazer and was nothing more than a thinly disguised Henry J with all Kaiser badging removed and replaced by Sears Allstate tags.): Based on the little fins and the small round taillights like on this 51 Coupe But a convertible like these (ish): Edited by 56D500boy 2018-10-15 4:07 PM | ||
1960fury |
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 7400 Location: northern germany | 1960fury - 2018-10-15 3:20 PM Sonoramic60 - 2018-10-14 9:28 PM Sid -- Note that Granatelli's "F" doesn't have the "Bird Bath" or "Toilet Seat" continental kit. Joe Godec Joe, I didn't notice that. I wonder if they used the non (fake) louvred hood of the lesser models too. No, they didn't. I hate louvres, especially fake ones (60granate.jpg) Attachments ---------------- 60granate.jpg (342KB - 241 downloads) | ||
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 7400 Location: northern germany | Funny thing, they^ didn't use the best (and free to boot) high speed trick to reduce wind resistance on these cars, which is to adjust the hood hinges in the highest possible position. Helps cooling the engine bay too and still looks better than the useless tape everywhere. | ||
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 7400 Location: northern germany | And they even made it heavier than stock! (60granate1.jpg) (60granate2.jpg) Attachments ---------------- 60granate1.jpg (84KB - 227 downloads) 60granate2.jpg (57KB - 225 downloads) | ||
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Expert Posts: 1819 Location: Vancouver, BC | Doctor DeSoto - 2018-10-15 9:55 AM What is the convertible to the far right in the last photo ??? Looks like a 1951 Henry J minus the roof. It appears to have small fins with the taillights on the rear of the car and not the fins, as in 1952-54. Also it has a two-piece windshield. The Henry J was built by Kaiser-Frazer Corp from 1951 through 1954. Two series and two engines - base series with the Willys Jeep 4 engine and the DeLuxe with the Willys 6. No glove box or trunk lid on the early models. To access the trunk you pulled out the rear seat back. The Henry J was named after one of the founders, Henry J Kaiser. You may have heard of the other Kaiser firms - Kaiser Aluminum, Kaiser Steel, Kaiser Permanente and Kaiser Shipyards. (1951 Henry J 2dr Sedan 101.jpg) (1951 Henry J DeLuxe 2dr Sedan 122.jpg) (1951 Henry J - 2dr Convertible - Custom 111.jpg) Attachments ---------------- 1951 Henry J 2dr Sedan 101.jpg (38KB - 234 downloads) 1951 Henry J DeLuxe 2dr Sedan 122.jpg (189KB - 228 downloads) 1951 Henry J - 2dr Convertible - Custom 111.jpg (83KB - 232 downloads) | ||
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Expert Posts: 2473 Location: Dalveen, Queensland, Australia | Originally posted by 1960fury And they even made it heavier than stock! Weight is not necessarily a bad thing in straight-line speed... It's very effective in slowing acceleration, as in drag racing, but once rolling the main problems defeating top speeds are aerodynamics and rolling resistance. | ||
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 7400 Location: northern germany | Ray Bell - 2018-10-15 4:48 PM Originally posted by 1960fury And they even made it heavier than stock! Weight is not necessarily a bad thing in straight-line speed... It's very effective in slowing acceleration, as in drag racing, but once rolling the main problems defeating top speeds are aerodynamics and rolling resistance. Against the laws of physics, while acceleration is more affected, speed is too. They were fighting for every fraction of a mile in top speed. The lighter the faster. You need power to move a certain weight to a certain speed, the more weight, the more power you need, it is as simple as that. And no, these cars don't become airborn at high speeds, even if they did, weighing it down is the wrong way to fix that. Edited by 1960fury 2018-10-15 5:05 PM | ||
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Expert Posts: 2473 Location: Dalveen, Queensland, Australia | Airborne? Did something I say intimate that I thought this was a prospect? | ||
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 9900 Location: Lower Mainland BC | Chrycoman - 2018-10-15 4:36 PM Looks like a 1951 Henry J minus the roof. Agree. Which is why I suggested the Henry J convertible above 31 minutes ago. 56D500boy - 2018-10-15 4:05 PM You're right. Alex, I would like to change my answer to "What is a 1951 Henry J (or Allstate) convertible?" | ||
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 7400 Location: northern germany | Ray Bell - 2018-10-15 5:55 PM Airborne? Did something I say intimate that I thought this was a prospect? No, but you said that, quote: "Weight is not necessarily a bad thing in straight-line speed". And as this is the only thing for that weight could be beneficial, I just mentioned that. When it comes to speed and performance weight is always a bad thing. Most noticeable in rotating weight, as it has to be accelerated to a way higher speed than the weight of the car body. Heavy wheels, for instance, slow a car down, a well known fact. It is the same thing. | ||
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 7400 Location: northern germany | Spot the FL | ||
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Expert Posts: 2473 Location: Dalveen, Queensland, Australia | Obviously you wouldn't be looking to add weight, but reducing weight would not be all-important as in drag or circuit racing... Long wind-up distances and slowing distances at Bonneville allowed for this. It meant that aerodynamics and rolling resistance were more important to chase. That would include things like drag in brakes and bearings, oil viscosity in the driveline and so on. | ||
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Veteran Posts: 256 Location: Chicago | 1960fury - 2018-10-15 4:02 PM Against the laws of physics, while acceleration is more affected, speed is too. They were fighting for every fraction of a mile in top speed. The lighter the faster. You need power to move a certain weight to a certain speed, the more weight, the more power you need, it is as simple as that. And no, these cars don't become airborn at high speeds, even if they did, weighing it down is the wrong way to fix that. Your theory regarding these cars is wrong: according to Norm Thatcher who was the first to hit 200 MPH in a stock bodied car at Bonneville (1964 Plymouth). He was trying to go with lighter cars for 1959 (after setting the record in 1958) but started weighing them down for high speed stability when he broke 200. See Collectible Automobile article June 2015. | ||
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Expert Posts: 4654 | Milwakee (5 milwakee.jpg) Attachments ---------------- 5 milwakee.jpg (129KB - 235 downloads) | ||
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 7400 Location: northern germany | R41HP - 2018-10-15 11:57 PM 1960fury - 2018-10-15 4:02 PM Against the laws of physics, while acceleration is more affected, speed is too. They were fighting for every fraction of a mile in top speed. The lighter the faster. You need power to move a certain weight to a certain speed, the more weight, the more power you need, it is as simple as that. And no, these cars don't become airborn at high speeds, even if they did, weighing it down is the wrong way to fix that. Your theory regarding these cars is wrong: according to Norm Thatcher who was the first to hit 200 MPH in a stock bodied car at Bonneville (1964 Plymouth). He was trying to go with lighter cars for 1959 (after setting the record in 1958) but started weighing them down for high speed stability when he broke 200. See Collectible Automobile article June 2015. It is not a "theory", it is a physical fact. Again, what you are claiming is against the laws of physics. For whatever reason he was faster in a heavier car, it was not the extra weight. You need a certain amount of power to get a certain weight to certain speed. More weight, more power is needed to bring it up to that speed. Very simple. You sometimes can use weight to make a car handle better but this is the wrong approach, it still does not change the fact that weight needs power to be moved. | ||
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 7400 Location: northern germany | Ray Bell - 2018-10-15 8:27 PM Obviously you wouldn't be looking to add weight, but reducing weight would not be all-important as in drag or circuit racing... Long wind-up distances and slowing distances at Bonneville allowed for this. It meant that aerodynamics and rolling resistance were more important to chase. That would include things like drag in brakes and bearings, oil viscosity in the driveline and so on. I never said it is that important in straight line runs and weight has an influence on rolling resistance too, so what you said is contradictory. | ||
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 9664 Location: So. Cal | Neglecting the small change in rolling resistance due to extra weight on the bearings and tires (which is valid if the extra weight is small compared to the total weight), the main effect that extra passenger or cabin weight would have is increasing the amount of time required to get to top speed and increasing the stopping distance. It does take more power to get up to speed, but that just equates to longer distances or times. You can easily run out of runway to get up to speed and to stop, so this extra weight will limit you in that respect. Whereas, extra weight on objects that turn does increase the power requirement at speed because anything that is turning is accelerating; even if it is at a constant rpm. Thus, you are correct to say that heavy wheels, bearings, gears, pistons, rods, cranks etc will reduce your top end speed. But for people who are not aerodynamically inclined, there may be a reasonable trade-off between the reduced runway, extra rolling resistance & improved high speed stability. I agree that using aero-dynamics to solve this problem would be more efficient, but I can also see people getting away with a small improvement by adding weight in the right places too. | ||
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