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spinout
Posted 2013-07-31 1:37 PM (#388644 - in reply to #388622)
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>I KNOW they offered and built a 1961 DeSoto ! Where is it ????

It was printed after Nov 30, 1960 when DeSoto was discontinued.. I have a 1961 Chrysler Corporate (all makes) full line sales catalog and it lacks DeSoto.
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hemidave
Posted 2013-07-31 3:51 PM (#388670 - in reply to #81647)
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DIF-RNT
Posted 2013-07-31 9:21 PM (#388754 - in reply to #81647)
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Verdun Motors..........



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The Chrysler Kid
Posted 2013-07-31 10:26 PM (#388768 - in reply to #81647)
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Ray Bell
Posted 2013-08-01 3:24 AM (#388788 - in reply to #81647)
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We've seen that one before...
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Ray Bell
Posted 2013-08-01 6:53 AM (#388795 - in reply to #81647)
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For the benefit of those curious to know... and I'm sure Kenny will be one of them...

The photo I posted on the previous page (and repeat below) is from Brisbane about 1961 or 1962. The 'South Wales'
on the building is a part of the 'Bank of New South Wales' signage.

McWhirters is still there and largely unchanged, it is a shopping arcade and apartment building in Fortitude Valley, a part of
inner Brisbane city and is on a corner of Brunswick Street, the main drag through the Valley.

I can't work out the actual locations here, I don't know that area all that well and these pics are from at least thirty years
before I moved to Brisbane. The other photo here I've posted because it is in the immediate vicinity about ten years later,
it is from a different direction and (it seems to me) it shows Coles in a different place.

Nevertheless, the purpose of this all is to identify to those not familiar with our local cars what we have in the pic...

Lower left, the black car coming into the picture is an FC Holden, made 1958 and '59. Ahead of it is the very similar FE Holden
equipped as a taxi. FEs came out in late 1956 and ran into '58. The Simca may be a Berlieu, but all of these model Simcas
were universally known in Australia as Vedettes. They had the 2350cc version of the Ford flathead V8 and sold here from the
mid-fifties to the early sixties.

The Simca is following a Humber Hawk, mid-fifties model. These had the ohv four with duralumin rods of enormous length. Of
course it's following a Chev, which is undoubtedly powered by a six because we didn't start getting the small block V8 until later.
You should know the Falcon up ahead there, this would be either an XK (introduced October '60) or the succeeding XL model...
one of which features in the second picture.

The grey Holden panel van in the lower right is either an FB (from Jan '60) or an EK (mid-'61 to mid-'62) and is particularly interesting
because it has 'barn doors' in the back rather than the factory top and bottom sections. Funnily enough, I have seen one like
this myself, restored by its present owner and originally owned by (and modified for) one of the Sydney utility organisations,
I think it was the Sydney County Council (who used to be the electricity authority in Sydney).

The other identifiable car in the second pic is a VC Valiant from '67 or so, though you could say the front of the Morris Minor in
the lower left is identifiable.

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hemidave
Posted 2013-08-01 7:32 AM (#388798 - in reply to #81647)
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vedette
Posted 2013-08-01 7:38 AM (#388799 - in reply to #81647)
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Sacramento High School car wash to raise funds for all night Graduation Party "Diploma Daze"



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DIF-RNT
Posted 2013-08-01 11:40 AM (#388838 - in reply to #81647)
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FL from LIFE.......



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Posted 2013-08-01 3:22 PM (#388878 - in reply to #81647)
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Not sure if this has been seen or not, but lots of great footage of 2 58 plymouths driving. The convertible is the generally good driver and the green sedan is the generally bad driver. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V0tLw-j-v_c
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Myke
Posted 2013-08-01 6:02 PM (#388910 - in reply to #388878)
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theres Another one About Drunk driving where There Convert is the Bad Driver
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vedette
Posted 2013-08-01 7:17 PM (#388927 - in reply to #81647)
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Fort Lauderdale Florida 1959



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mrtester
Posted 2013-08-02 1:27 AM (#388987 - in reply to #81647)
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Rock Island Arsenal, Rock Island, Illinois 1959 (U. S. military base)



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Valiant_200
Posted 2013-08-02 3:05 AM (#388994 - in reply to #388878)
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Wow. That Belvy vert is sexy. What a wonderful companion it would make for my Valiant 'vert. If only I could go down and simply rescue it from the beach...

Did you notice the difference in the way that green grocery getter handled as compared with that `53 Shebby around the 3:20 mark? That bit could have been a promotional piece for Chrysler right there. Of course, the Shebby was 5 years old at the time, and the Belvy a mouth-watering brand new, but the Plymouth is clearly a smoother ride.

...And I am biased.

I had never seen this film before, but I love those old Sid Davis cheese balls.

For anyone who has never had the pleasure of riding in a 58 Belvy vert, the many camera angles presented in this work are as close as you can get.

I did get to ride in a `57 Belvy vert, just once. It was on the same day that I got a helicopter ride over our local car show, Crusin' The Coast, in a mid 60's Huey.

To this day, I still do not know which ride I enjoyed more.

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jimntempe
Posted 2013-08-02 3:19 AM (#388997 - in reply to #388795)
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Ray Bell - 2013-08-01 3:53 AM For the benefit of those curious to know... and I'm sure Kenny will be one of them... The photo I posted on the previous page (and repeat below) is from Brisbane about 1961 or 1962. The 'South Wales' on the building is a part of the 'Bank of New South Wales' signage. McWhirters is still there and largely unchanged, it is a shopping arcade and apartment building in Fortitude Valley, a part of inner Brisbane city and is on a corner of Brunswick Street, the main drag through the Valley. I can't work out the actual locations here, I don't know that area all that well and these pics are from at least thirty years before I moved to Brisbane. The other photo here I've posted because it is in the immediate vicinity about ten years later, it is from a different direction and (it seems to me) it shows Coles in a different place. Nevertheless, the purpose of this all is to identify to those not familiar with our local cars what we have in the pic... Lower left, the black car coming into the picture is an FC Holden, made 1958 and '59. Ahead of it is the very similar FE Holden equipped as a taxi. FEs came out in late 1956 and ran into '58. The Simca may be a Berlieu, but all of these model Simcas were universally known in Australia as Vedettes. They had the 2350cc version of the Ford flathead V8 and sold here from the mid-fifties to the early sixties. The Simca is following a Humber Hawk, mid-fifties model. These had the ohv four with duralumin rods of enormous length. Of course it's following a Chev, which is undoubtedly powered by a six because we didn't start getting the small block V8 until later. You should know the Falcon up ahead there, this would be either an XK (introduced October '60) or the succeeding XL model... one of which features in the second picture. The grey Holden panel van in the lower right is either an FB (from Jan '60) or an EK (mid-'61 to mid-'62) and is particularly interesting because it has 'barn doors' in the back rather than the factory top and bottom sections. Funnily enough, I have seen one like this myself, restored by its present owner and originally owned by (and modified for) one of the Sydney utility organisations, I think it was the Sydney County Council (who used to be the electricity authority in Sydney). The other identifiable car in the second pic is a VC Valiant from '67 or so, though you could say the front of the Morris Minor in the lower left is identifiable.

 

They were still making that ford flathead v8 into the 60's?!?!?  Dang.

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flattie45
Posted 2013-08-02 3:53 AM (#389003 - in reply to #81647)
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I have a French built f*rd flathead motor that is stamped 1989!!! My son works on the darn things and has seen them dated as late as 1992. It beggars belief that anyone other than Briggs and Stratton would still be manufacturing sidevalve motors post war, but they did.
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hemidave
Posted 2013-08-02 7:43 AM (#389022 - in reply to #81647)
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Station Wagon



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DIF-RNT
Posted 2013-08-02 10:13 AM (#389044 - in reply to #81647)
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Ray Bell
Posted 2013-08-02 10:36 AM (#389048 - in reply to #81647)
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The really cool bit is that when they sent the tooling to South America they updated the body style and got the rights to the Ardun ohv conversion for the V8-60 engines and mass produced them...

Look up the Chrysler Esplanada or the Emi-Sul engine.
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christine-lover
Posted 2013-08-02 9:54 PM (#389193 - in reply to #81647)
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hemidave
Posted 2013-08-03 6:54 AM (#389254 - in reply to #81647)
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61 Dodge

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polara61
Posted 2013-08-03 7:17 AM (#389256 - in reply to #389254)
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It's a 1961 Dart Seneca.
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The Chrysler Kid
Posted 2013-08-03 11:22 AM (#389269 - in reply to #81647)
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Posted 2013-08-03 3:44 PM (#389300 - in reply to #389256)
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polara61 - 2013-08-04 4:17 AM

It's a 1961 Dart Seneca.


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A very UN-sexy stripper version too ! Just the way I'd want my 61 Dart.
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mrtester
Posted 2013-08-04 3:17 AM (#389422 - in reply to #81647)
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mrtester
Posted 2013-08-04 3:22 AM (#389425 - in reply to #81647)
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1960 U-Haul Dodge Power Giant Truck, didn't know that U-Haul used Dodges for its rental trucks. Probably a medium duty model, D-400 or better.



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mrtester
Posted 2013-08-04 3:24 AM (#389426 - in reply to #81647)
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In The Air Force



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hemidave
Posted 2013-08-04 2:41 PM (#389491 - in reply to #81647)
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DIF-RNT
Posted 2013-08-04 10:05 PM (#389573 - in reply to #81647)
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Boston.........



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hemidave
Posted 2013-08-05 9:00 AM (#389634 - in reply to #81647)
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Bob Phillips



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Posted 2013-08-05 11:20 AM (#389660 - in reply to #81647)
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Picture would not come up. Sorry

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Doctor DeSoto
Posted 2013-08-05 1:36 PM (#389693 - in reply to #389634)
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Does the sun ever REALLY shine in Pennsylvania ? I mean like New Mexico clear skies and
bright sunshine ?
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hemidave
Posted 2013-08-06 7:02 AM (#389834 - in reply to #81647)
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DIF-RNT
Posted 2013-08-06 9:58 AM (#389861 - in reply to #81647)
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Boston Again......



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Posted 2013-08-06 10:19 AM (#389866 - in reply to #81647)
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Huntington Ave. It looks remarkably the same.
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DIF-RNT
Posted 2013-08-06 5:54 PM (#389974 - in reply to #81647)
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There ya go....
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christine-lover
Posted 2013-08-06 9:42 PM (#390037 - in reply to #81647)
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Posted 2013-08-07 8:36 AM (#390095 - in reply to #81647)
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Posted 2013-08-07 2:21 PM (#390153 - in reply to #81647)
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San Fran Hill...& THEY have hills



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christine-lover
Posted 2013-08-07 8:59 PM (#390239 - in reply to #81647)
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Hey hemidave, is your avatar a 57 Desoto Convertible you bought?
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hemidave
Posted 2013-08-08 7:23 AM (#390289 - in reply to #390239)
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christine-lover - 2013-08-07 8:59 PM

Hey hemidave, is your avatar a 57 Desoto Convertible you bought?


I'm working on buying it Matt.
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hemidave
Posted 2013-08-08 7:23 AM (#390290 - in reply to #81647)
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Posted 2013-08-08 10:17 AM (#390297 - in reply to #81647)
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& a '58 Chevy...also .....maybe a '56 Chevy in the lower left
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slimwhitman
Posted 2013-08-08 3:39 PM (#390345 - in reply to #389300)
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Doctor DeSoto - 2013-08-03 2:44 PM

polara61 - 2013-08-04 4:17 AM

It's a 1961 Dart Seneca.


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A very UN-sexy stripper version too ! Just the way I'd want my 61 Dart.


Would YOU rather have a bare-bones '60-61 Dart or a bare-bones Matador/Polara?
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DIF-RNT
Posted 2013-08-08 5:45 PM (#390367 - in reply to #81647)
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Posted 2013-08-08 7:35 PM (#390378 - in reply to #389834)
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Chrysler ambulance


This conversion is called a "Memphian" done by the Memphis Coach Co. of Memphis Tenn.
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mrtester
Posted 2013-08-08 10:25 PM (#390410 - in reply to #81647)
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Memphis 1959, and that's not Elvis.



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Posted 2013-08-08 10:27 PM (#390412 - in reply to #81647)
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Montgomery Ward store in Denver 1960



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Posted 2013-08-08 10:28 PM (#390414 - in reply to #81647)
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Posted 2013-08-08 10:32 PM (#390415 - in reply to #81647)
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