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Forward Look NON-Technical Discussions -> 1955-1961 Forward Look MoPar General Discussion | Message format |
imopar380 |
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 7206 Location: Victoria, BC, on Vancouver Island, Canada | With reference to the previous post on the page prior to this, regarding 'Hybrid" 1960 Dodges, there were Phoenix Wagons built in Canada with Polara side trim, Polara tail lights, with a Dart grille, and of course the obligatory Plymouth interior. They were officially known as "Phoenix Sport Suburbans" - this is the official explanation: Dart Phoenix models were not officially built as station wagons for sale in the USA, but production records indicate that at least 320 were actually assembled. One source (Mr. Gregory Mansell), confirmed by Bill Watson, of Vancouver, BC, Canada says that these wagons were built specifically for the Canadian market, since there was no happy medium between a lower priced Pioneer wagon and the upmarket Polara hardtop wagon. Since the Matador was not available in Canada, the solution was to badge this wagon as a Phoenix. Unfortunately, all Dart wagons, like Matadors and Polaras, were built on the 122 inch wheelbase. The rear fender opening on the 122" w.b. cars was several inches HIGHER than the fender opening on the non-wagon Darts, which were built on the 118" w.b. The double molding with the bright trim insert used on Phoenix cars, therefore, could not be applied to the wagons, as there was not enough room above the fender opening because the horizontal ridge where the mouldings were applied was too close to the top of the fender for it to fit. This was not a problem with either the Seneca or Pioneer wagons, as they did not use this double moulding with the bright aluminum insert. The solution: These Canadian Phoenix wagons had Polara / Matador side trim and taillights installed, and were dubbed "Phoenix Sport Suburbans"! These photos are taken from a Canadian brochure. You can confirm this is a Dart by the script on the tailgate which matches the written "Dodge" script on the Darts. On Matador and Polara, "Dodge" was spelled out in block letters on the tailgate. The frontal shot shows the Dart grille installed on what would otherwise be a Matador Wagon. The interior is straight out of a Plymouth. Note the red lenses in the fins - these were not available on production models - a chrome insert was placed in the area as it was too hard to get into the area to replace bulbs. Edited by imopar380 2014-04-22 10:54 PM (Suburba2.jpg) (Suburba3.jpg) Attachments ---------------- Suburba2.jpg (36KB - 204 downloads) Suburba3.jpg (24KB - 202 downloads) | ||
imopar380 |
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 7206 Location: Victoria, BC, on Vancouver Island, Canada | With reference to the above story on the Phoenix wagon, there is one known to exist in Europe. This is it. It confirms the Polara trim and tail lights with a Dart Grille and hood medallion and Plymouth interior. Edited by imopar380 2014-04-22 10:57 PM (1641.jpg) (1642.jpg) (1643.jpg) (1644.jpg) (1645.jpg) Attachments ---------------- 1641.jpg (63KB - 194 downloads) 1642.jpg (65KB - 199 downloads) 1643.jpg (68KB - 198 downloads) 1644.jpg (63KB - 199 downloads) 1645.jpg (63KB - 198 downloads) | ||
The Chrysler Kid |
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Expert Posts: 1384 Location: Ocala, Florida | Amazing! I love these cars that Chrysler botched together. Very cool! Thanks a lot for posting! | ||
christine-lover |
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Expert Posts: 2996 Location: Sept. 1958 | 57 Desoto, 56 Plymouth (image.jpg) Attachments ---------------- image.jpg (220KB - 194 downloads) | ||
D500Jim |
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Expert Posts: 1363 Location: Apeldoorn, Netherlands | 1957 Dodge Sierra at the Port Inglis Restaurant in Inglis, Florida 1957 Dodge ForwardLook postcards
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Mayfair |
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Veteran Posts: 128 Location: Bavaria, Germany | June 20, 1960 Macy's, NYC (20.6.1960 NYC Macy's klein.JPG) Attachments ---------------- 20.6.1960 NYC Macy's klein.JPG (271KB - 195 downloads) | ||
hemidave |
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Expert Posts: 4654 | . (Titusville_01_1000.jpg) Attachments ---------------- Titusville_01_1000.jpg (147KB - 185 downloads) | ||
1960fury |
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 7395 Location: northern germany | Mayfair - 2014-04-23 2:25 PM June 20, 1960 Macy's, NYC wow, a savoy 2 door sedan with the (manual) deluxe steering wheel! pretty unusual. mayfair, i absolutely LOVE your pictures and exact date when the foto was taken makes it even better! | ||
vedette |
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Expert Posts: 3068 Location: Scotland | Mayfair - 2014-04-23 2:25 PM June 20, 1960 Macy's, NYC all the cars shown in this one are brand new the Plymouth,2 Mercurys and a Cadillac. Edited by vedette 2014-04-23 8:19 PM | ||
D500Jim |
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Expert Posts: 1363 Location: Apeldoorn, Netherlands | Mayfair - 2014-04-23 7:25 PM June 20, 1960 Macy's, NYC Is that a parking ticket I see beneath the windshield wiper? Must be, it is a no parking zone. | ||
spinout |
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Location: Bjorneborg, Finland | Washington DC (zfb129 Washington DC.jpg) Attachments ---------------- zfb129 Washington DC.jpg (150KB - 201 downloads) | ||
hemidave |
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Expert Posts: 4654 | Mt. Manor Motel Restaurant (331184174305_1_0_1.jpg) Attachments ---------------- 331184174305_1_0_1.jpg (27KB - 193 downloads) | ||
D500Jim |
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Expert Posts: 1363 Location: Apeldoorn, Netherlands | 1957 Plymouth Belvedere & 1957 DeSoto Fireflite on MacMillan Wharf in Princetown, Massachusetts Plymouth & DeSoto ForwardLook postcards
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Mayfair |
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Veteran Posts: 128 Location: Bavaria, Germany | 1960fury - 2014-04-23 7:09 PM Mayfair - 2014-04-23 2:25 PM June 20, 1960 Macy's, NYC wow, a savoy 2 door sedan with the (manual) deluxe steering wheel! pretty unusual. mayfair, i absolutely LOVE your pictures and exact date when the foto was taken makes it even better! Thank you! I enjoy sharing them with people who appreciate them. Enjoy! | ||
Mayfair |
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Veteran Posts: 128 Location: Bavaria, Germany | vedette - 2014-04-23 8:15 PM Mayfair - 2014-04-23 2:25 PM June 20, 1960 Macy's, NYC all the cars shown in this one are brand new the Plymouth,2 Mercurys and a Cadillac. Seems like the New York City people always wear the latest fashion... Two of them wear parking tickets behind their wipers Edited by Mayfair 2014-04-24 3:58 PM | ||
Mayfair |
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Veteran Posts: 128 Location: Bavaria, Germany | May, 1960 A&P Store Same 1956 Chrysler as in another picture posted before (A&P Store klein.JPG) Attachments ---------------- A&P Store klein.JPG (277KB - 191 downloads) | ||
1960fury |
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 7395 Location: northern germany | great picture ^ here is a nice one (56pc.JPG) Attachments ---------------- 56pc.JPG (117KB - 186 downloads) | ||
DIF-RNT |
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Location: NE Ohio | Nice Pic Sid | ||
Mayfair |
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Veteran Posts: 128 Location: Bavaria, Germany | jimntempe - 2014-04-22 3:26 PM GaryS - 2014-04-22 6:17 AM Mayfair - 2014-04-22 5:35 AM d500neil - 2014-04-22 2:48 AM That old $28.9/gallon price of Regular grade gas would correlate to about $3.00, today; not cheap, especially with the cars getting something less than 12 MPG in around-town driving, every day....and requiring regular mechanical attention, and with a 'good' car surviving for 100,000 miles, maybe. You may be right with the price correlation about one-to-ten, as new-car prices took a similar development. But why only 100.000 miles? In a dry state without salt, a late-1950's car could last far longer, if well maintained IMO. I saw lots of cars from that era exceed 100,000 miles, though anything over that amount was usually considered a bonus. You could reasonably expect to re-ring and grind valves at that mark. It wasn't all the car design, but also external factors. Lubricants were not nearly as good as those of today, and roads were much worse. Very few roads were paved where I lived, so the cars were constantly exposed to rough dirt and gravel, and all the dust kicked up while driving. Filters plugged, seals leaked and grit wore out bearings and brakes. The same roads turned to mud bogs when it rained, exposing the entire undercarriage to four-wheeling conditions. Winter brought snow drifts to plough through and washboard ice in towns that shook bodies apart. We didn't have a garage for our cars, as they were reserved for farm equipment. When temps dipped below zero, you pumped the accelerator to pour raw gas into the engine so it would start, and often used ether in extreme cold. Imagine the cylinder wall lubrication issues that caused. I will also take issue with 12 mpg average. Yes, on some cars that was normal, especially if you lived in cities, but all the 318 powered cars we had averaged about 18, and flathead sixes were in the 20 range. Manual overdrive bought you one or two more. There were a couple things I believe were major factors in why people thought a vehicle was "high mileage" and worn out when it had more than 60K on the odometer and/or more then 4 years old. One was the use of oil bath air filters. They are terrible filters and let tons of dirt thru with consequent high engine wear. The second was the VERY common practice of dealers as well as individuals rolling back odometers. It would not be at all unusual for a car with 90K real miles to have been rolled back twice and be sitting on a lot showing 29K miles. that means that some (or many) of today's low mileage collector cars have their odometers rolled back 40 or 50 years ago... | ||
D500Jim |
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Expert Posts: 1363 Location: Apeldoorn, Netherlands | 1957 Dodge Coronet & 1960 Chrysler Windsor on Jefferson Street in Wadena, Minnesota 1957 Dodge & Chrysler ForwardLook postcards
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D500Jim |
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Expert Posts: 1363 Location: Apeldoorn, Netherlands | Jefferson Street in Wadena, MN as it is now (MNWadenaJeffersonStreetNow.jpg) Attachments ---------------- MNWadenaJeffersonStreetNow.jpg (67KB - 195 downloads) | ||
Mayfair |
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Veteran Posts: 128 Location: Bavaria, Germany | love those then-and-now comparisons. They got a new water tower in the background? | ||
hemidave |
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Expert Posts: 4654 | . (img_0029_new5.jpg) Attachments ---------------- img_0029_new5.jpg (113KB - 179 downloads) | ||
DIF-RNT |
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Location: NE Ohio | Donut Hole (donut hole.jpg) Attachments ---------------- donut hole.jpg (43KB - 191 downloads) | ||
The Chrysler Kid |
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Expert Posts: 1384 Location: Ocala, Florida | 57 Belvedere 4 door hardtop. Edited by The Chrysler Kid 2014-04-25 12:02 PM (57 4 door hardtop.jpg) Attachments ---------------- 57 4 door hardtop.jpg (126KB - 181 downloads) | ||
Doctor DeSoto |
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Location: Parts Unknown | Looks like another photo from that series shot by the Seattle Sewer Dept. | ||
JT Vincent |
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Expert Posts: 1493 Location: Jamaica Plain, MA | Oh Canada! (Plodges.jpg) Attachments ---------------- Plodges.jpg (150KB - 177 downloads) | ||
Ray Bell |
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Expert Posts: 2473 Location: Dalveen, Queensland, Australia | Originally posted by Mayfair love those then-and-now comparisons. They got a new water tower in the background? First thing I noticed in the second pic... I was just thinking, "I should go through there as I cross Minnesota and take a pic... I wonder if that water tower has been replaced?" and then came the second pic. It also looks like it's been built next to, and further from this street, than the old. Undoubtedly erected while the old one was still in use. | ||
60 Imp |
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Location: North Australia | Looks like a 58 Biz 2 dr in Hemidave's drag photo above. Curious to note the bumper wings! Probably had the 350 in it too, or I like to think that anyway. Steve. | ||
realgone58 |
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Elite Veteran Posts: 1111 Location: Ocala, Florida | NYC (fwd 58 4drht ny.jpg) Attachments ---------------- fwd 58 4drht ny.jpg (89KB - 187 downloads) | ||
vedette |
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Expert Posts: 3068 Location: Scotland | D500Jim - 2014-04-25 5:09 AM 1957 Dodge Coronet & 1960 Chrysler Windsor on Jefferson Street in Wadena, Minnesota 1957 Dodge & Chrysler ForwardLook postcards
HG Wells The Time Machine released August 17th 1960 (HGWellsTheTime Machine.jpg) Attachments ---------------- HGWellsTheTime Machine.jpg (164KB - 178 downloads) | ||
vedette |
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Expert Posts: 3068 Location: Scotland | Mayfair - 2014-04-16 2:21 AM May 19, 1960 Times Square NYC Note very early 1957 Plymouth taxi with wide slots in front pan also 2 1956 Dodges in the same blue/white colour combo as Sid's pic above. (19_5_1960 NYC Times Square klein.JPG) Attachments ---------------- 19_5_1960 NYC Times Square klein.JPG (242KB - 181 downloads) | ||
vedette |
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Expert Posts: 3068 Location: Scotland | Richmond 1961 (RichmondVA1961.jpg) Attachments ---------------- RichmondVA1961.jpg (50KB - 182 downloads) | ||
vedette |
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Expert Posts: 3068 Location: Scotland | a clearer one of Damascus Gate,Jerusalem (JerusalemDamascusGateForwardLooks.jpg) Attachments ---------------- JerusalemDamascusGateForwardLooks.jpg (82KB - 180 downloads) | ||
1960fury |
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Expert 5K+ Posts: 7395 Location: northern germany | vedette - 2014-04-25 7:12 PM a clearer one of Damascus Gate,Jerusalem oh wow thanks. i have seen that pic before but not that big. (58.JPG) (car-58-.jpg) (popmech57a.JPG) (popmech62.JPG) Attachments ---------------- 58.JPG (78KB - 175 downloads) car-58-.jpg (16KB - 169 downloads) popmech57a.JPG (295KB - 177 downloads) popmech62.JPG (37KB - 169 downloads) | ||
christine-lover |
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Expert Posts: 2996 Location: Sept. 1958 | 57 Dodge (image.jpg) Attachments ---------------- image.jpg (258KB - 170 downloads) | ||
DIF-RNT |
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Location: NE Ohio | "Hello Officer" (hello officer.jpg) Attachments ---------------- hello officer.jpg (116KB - 162 downloads) | ||
Doctor DeSoto |
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Location: Parts Unknown | Notice how this officer's excellent training allows him to effortlessly handle two hoodlums at once. | ||
Mayfair |
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Veteran Posts: 128 Location: Bavaria, Germany | vedette - 2014-04-25 7:08 PM Mayfair - 2014-04-16 2:21 AM May 19, 1960 Times Square NYC Note very early 1957 Plymouth taxi with wide slots in front pan also 2 1956 Dodges in the same blue/white colour combo as Sid's pic above. I consider this one as maybe the most interesting of the pictures I posted. Surely the most colorful. The 1957 Plymouth might have already seen most of his life, after three years of hard round-the-clock use as NYC taxi. Every driver hangs his elbow out of the window. I like those neon signs, advertising "beer shampoo", television appliances, and air conditioners. Promising the good life! Also a navy recruiting ad there. The Francis P. Duffy and George M. Cohan memorials watching the scenery in the background still are there today. Edited by Mayfair 2014-04-26 2:35 AM | ||
D500Jim |
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Expert Posts: 1363 Location: Apeldoorn, Netherlands | 1957 Dodge Coronet at the Creekstone Motel in Gatlinburg, Tennessee 1957 Dodge ForwardLook postcards
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hemidave |
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Expert Posts: 4654 | La Femme (291130254590_1_0_1.jpg) Attachments ---------------- 291130254590_1_0_1.jpg (25KB - 172 downloads) | ||
FIN ME |
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Expert Posts: 2788 Location: USA - KY | That is a great cover! . (popmec.jpg) Attachments ---------------- popmec.jpg (218KB - 169 downloads) | ||
RDP |
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Elite Veteran Posts: 1048 Location: PL / EU | 1955 Pike's Peak (PP_1955 Dodge_1.jpg) (PP_1955 Dodge_2.jpg) Attachments ---------------- PP_1955 Dodge_1.jpg (89KB - 165 downloads) PP_1955 Dodge_2.jpg (109KB - 167 downloads) | ||
Rodger |
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Expert Posts: 1506 Location: Colo Spgs | Robert On the Aisle Way of the second floor of Perkin's Dodge they have a photo of a 1956 De Soto used for The Hill Climb --- but no Dodge ( that I remember of ). Rodger and Gabby Colo Spgs | ||
christine-lover |
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Expert Posts: 2996 Location: Sept. 1958 | 57 Plymouth (image.jpg) Attachments ---------------- image.jpg (210KB - 167 downloads) | ||
Mayfair |
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Veteran Posts: 128 Location: Bavaria, Germany | May 18, 1960 NYC, 7th Av and West 29th Edited by Mayfair 2014-04-27 3:21 AM (18.5.1960 NYC 7th Av und North klein.JPG) Attachments ---------------- 18.5.1960 NYC 7th Av und North klein.JPG (298KB - 181 downloads) | ||
christine-lover |
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Expert Posts: 2996 Location: Sept. 1958 | 57 Plymouth (image.jpg) Attachments ---------------- image.jpg (187KB - 175 downloads) | ||
D500Jim |
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Expert Posts: 1363 Location: Apeldoorn, Netherlands | vedette - 2014-04-26 12:12 AM a clearer one of Damascus Gate,Jerusalem http://dodge.forwardlook.eu/postcards/cards/ISRJerusalemDamascusGat... | ||
D500Jim |
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Expert Posts: 1363 Location: Apeldoorn, Netherlands | christine-lover - 2014-04-26 12:58 AM 57 Dodge 1957 Dodge on Division Street in Park Falls, Wisconsin | ||
hemidave |
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Expert Posts: 4654 | A few ads (1956-Dodge-Full-Line-Folder-02-925x1024.jpg) (1969397_692511234128937_7158301598421402062_n.jpg) (Dodge_1960_Matador_Polara_2.jpg) (Plymouth-1955-2-door-wagon.jpg) Attachments ---------------- 1956-Dodge-Full-Line-Folder-02-925x1024.jpg (234KB - 167 downloads) 1969397_692511234128937_7158301598421402062_n.jpg (51KB - 170 downloads) Dodge_1960_Matador_Polara_2.jpg (223KB - 179 downloads) Plymouth-1955-2-door-wagon.jpg (67KB - 162 downloads) | ||
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